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[@alexanderwaugh7036]

CORRECTION: 'Orare Ben Johnson' is as I said subjunctive - 'May you arise Ben Jonson', or 'Be thou risen' would have been more accurate than the one I give ('thou art arisen Ben Johnson') - apologies AW,

[@charlesmercier3644]

2nd person singular present subjunctive of orior oriri 'rise' is oriaris or oriare. Thanks notwithstanding for these thrilling videos!

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

@@charlesmercier3644 You are not alone among Latinists squabbling over this one. I have one in my house right now. Perseus Tufts, that excellent and usually infallible source, gives 'orare' as '2nd person singular subjunctive passive' of 'orior'. That was my source. Where does that leave us? Perhaps Perseus should have said 'deponent' rather than 'passive'. Would that have helped? Neither 'oriasis' nor 'oriare' are listed on Perseus. My Latinist friend is also baffled.

[@charlesmercier3644]

@@alexanderwaugh7036 Interesting, I do see Perseus giving 2nd sg pres subj pass for orare, but what it seems to getting at is that the Lewis and Short entry to which it directs you shows that in mostly old and poetic authors there are a few examples of forms of orior that drop the i in the present. So orare is a putative form on that assumption that I’m not sure ever occurs. Oriare doesn’t occur in a Perseus word search, true, but all orare forms in a Perseus search are the present active infinitive of oro orare ‘plead’. Googling at least yields oriaris in a 1879 Christian hymn. Altogether, perhaps, a double meaning for “O rare” that occurs more naturally to a reader is “orare” 2nd sg pres passive indicative of oro orare, “you are asked/prayed to”.

[@rstritmatter]

@@charlesmercier3644 Excellent exchange. The form has been in the past interpreted as the infinitive of orare, but this shows how careful we must be not to make assumptions, but instead to explore the full range of possibilities.

[@rstritmatter]

To me the more usual interpretation of this as the infinitive of Oro, to pray, also makes sense. "To pray 'Ben Jonson'" would be to invoke the name for some esoteric purpose, and I can think of at least one good reason that would make sense. But your derivation from orior also makes sense on a grave marker, and it is fascinating to learn of such exceptions in the history of Latin. Can we document that Vertue or Harley knew Persius? Stands to reason they would.

[@johnanthony8653]

Thank you. Always enlightening. Coincidentally, I recently found Honor, Vertues, de Vere, and 1740 in Hamlet. Seeing you address the same words here, I feel more confident that I'm on the right track.

[@joeroubidoux2783]

A pleasure as always. What a treasure we have here. Thank you.

[@ThePultzFamily]

I'm completely new to this authorship debate, but having now watched numerous videos and read about the debate, it is just hilarious to see the MO of the Stratfordians. I have dealt with three other academic topics where the academic elite uses the exact same metods to discredit the opposition who, just like in this case, presents overwhelming evidence against the mainstream view. I must say this is extremely entertaining. To understand how intelligent people can keep defending a long since disproved idea, it is worth while reading psychiatrist Dr. Iain McGilchrist's book The Master and his emissary: The Divided brain and the Making of the Western World. What we can observe regarding the debate itself is a symptom of a sick education system. Open debate is no longer part of the academic world, - in fact open debate is absent also in media and politics.

[@mariemeyer]

Brilliant, as always. May I hope there is a book in the works that collects all your research into a whole?

[@maryellen8558]

What a treasure a New Shakespeare book by Mr Waugh would be!

[@bluebellwood4287]

I would buy it.

[@misssarahashplant7493]

Another great video Mr Waugh. Much appreciated!

[@swdiaz1]

Hi Alexander. I love your channel. Would you ever consider preparing a video in which *YOU* write a poem alluding to de Vere as Shakespeare 'as if' you were a contemporary poet? I.e., including "17 40", "Apollo", "Rich", "Roses", triplets, etc. I think that would be really interesting and probably fun for you. Thanks!

[@maryellen8558]

Another fascinating and enthralling presentation by Mr Waugh. His genius is staggering. It never ceases to amaze me that one man can be so brilliant and that thought always brings my mind right back to Shakespeare himself!

[@sphinxtheeminx]

I so appreciate your work on this channel. I have watched most of your films and now my mind is trained I follow it all, enthralled. Keep 'em coming.

[@canonical5]

An entertaining tale. Enjoyed this. Looking forward to the next instalment. It's amazing what you can find when you look hard enough.

[@samlloyd7540]

Once again a insightful video

[@fabiengerard8142]

‘Se non è vero, è ben trovato…’ 👌 Excellent, as usual!

[@christophermilner21]

Thank you. Most enjoyable.

[@TheSkyballs]

very well presented and useful in tying many subjects to a single point, this work and by so much learning to produce this one delicious fig🤷‍♂️🤣🥰

[@tempest957]

As usual Alexander, outstanding research and presentation! Many thanks for your ongoing hard work, on DeVere as the true Shakespeare!

[@saramccann2276]

Fantastic, as usual!

[@waggishsagacity7947]

I can very easily name the person whom the Stratfordians wish had never been born. Of course so can you. His initials are AW! This was a mind boggling analysis which sheds great light on what 'conceit' represents. If you still think that the Oxfordians are either silly or making all this up, you obviously confuse conceit with coincidence. They are, in fact EXACT opposites. Thank you once again, Alexander Waugh. Looking forward to more "coincidences."

[@eamonsavage45]

Yes as difficult as all this is to follow ( though I appreciate AW efforts to keep it simple). However if it was only one or two examples I would ignore it. This is coincidence upon coincidence upon coincidence. Really enjoy the presentations and eagerly await the next one. I echo another subscriber that this should be put in a book. Would take me a while to comprehend it all but great bedtime reading. Best wishes to AW

[@Icha74]

Very interesting, Alexander, thank you so much. I was interested in this George Vertue video because... he was the one Englishman who noted that Cornelius Ketel painted a portrait of Edward de Vere (which many, including now myself, believe to be the Ashbourne Portrait. I wonder if you'd ponder upon the Ashbourne Portrait one day? Seems a sacrilege to me that that portrait has been repainted over and over again to hide de Vere's identity...

[@EricM_001]

Thank you, Alexander! Lamenting my ignorance of Latin. May I finally arise and make good on my threat to learn it!

[@ronroffel1462]

Another excellent video demonstrating who knew the secret identity of the "hard bard". Alexander missed that van der Gucht changed some items and added things to the model he used for his 1709 frontispiece, a Guillaume Vallet frontispiece for an edition of plays by Cornielle. Why Cornielle? He wrote 36 plays which is the same number listed in the Catalogue of Plays (table of contents) in Shakespeare's First Folio. The 3 books at the bottom of the v.d. Gucht (9:29) form a perfect mason's square. If you draw a line from the top edge of the middle book to the edge of the frame, it covers the man trampled beneath Tragedy's foot. The angle of this line is precisely 40 degrees. Van der Gucht added a triangular fold in the angle's gown (seen above the head of "Shakespeare") and a line drawn from its point to the bottom of the page perfectly bisects the masons' square. Tragedy looks away from the laurel she holds above "Shakespeare's" head - a detail in the original - to her right as if in disdain thinking "If I must, I must". In the original Vallet had the words "Le Theatre de Cronielle" in the oval above the angel's head, "Tragedie" in the banner wrapped around the trumpet he holds, and "Tragedie" in the banner wrapped around his arm, but v.d Gucht removed them as if to say this was not the "theatre of Shakespeare" depicted in the mirror-like frame, and that he did not write tragedies or comedies. One final note is about the Nicholas Rowe edition of the plays. When you add the digits of the year it was published (1709), you come up with a significant number.

[@teachermallory587]

WOW this is unreal!!

[@harkviewcinema]

Yay! A new video!!

[@duncanmckeown1292]

Fascinating! I started off as a firm Baconian...but the more I have seen of Alexander's brilliant little lectures the more convinced I have become of his accurate identification of the true author. But the more you are convinced, the more the travesty of current scholarship and the overwhelming injustice of the matter becomes apparent.

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

Thank you Duncan. I have the highest respect for the Baconians as I started my SAQ journey reading mainly Baconian books. Oxford and Bacon were of course cousins and Bacon, I believe, was a major guiding influence, if not the hidden patron, for the first folio enterprise. The Francis Bacon Society refused my application for membership, which I felt was a low trick unworthy of their champion. By contrast the Marlowe Society took me in as a life member, but yes, the evidence for Oxford is now conclusive, but Shakspere of Stratford, Christopher Marlowe and Francis Bacon all played their parts in this magnificent story and I urge all three groups to get behind the evidence we now possess for Oxford and help in the great unveiling as though it were a communal archeological dig. We owe it now to Time's daughter if to no one else.

[@SoulJake]

@@alexanderwaugh7036 The dig at Oak Island in Nova Scotia is close to producing archeological evidence of the late Templar and early Masonic treasure locations. This includes Francis Bacon's cryptological clues regarding the location of de Vere's original manuscripts which according to several esoteric sources are buried somewhere on the island. I hope you're following the latest developments and can contact the producers of the show to get access to the dig. Thanks for all your great scholarship. Best wishes and kind regards. J.

[@kerelrennacker7434]

Yay! A new AW video. Brilliant work and I appreciate you pointing to other channels in this one. It really is time for the debate to shift to fit the evidence, especially of his contemporaries. That being said, I’ve been counting the numbers and characters over and over and I can only come up with 37, what am I missing? Edit: I notice the extra spacings on the final line plus the double V (making 3 Vs) I didn’t count at first, I think that would make 40

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

What numbers and characters are you counting? If the Vandergucht I trust you are treating the colon as two dots?

[@kerelrennacker7434]

Thank you so much for taking me a step further. I am not scholar, not by a long shot but I have wanted to write you since I begin watching your videos and talking with others about it (American amateur actor who has played Sebastian in 12th and Iago) and this is now the closest I have come. 😂

[@juliebianchi499]

I noticed the 2 tassels on the Ben Jonson Westminster monument...straight from the Masonic Royal Arch Priest robe.

[@TheBlondeSunset]

The three masks below Ben Johnson also appear to be side-up eyeing to look in the same direction that Johnson is. But I’m squinting at a tiny image on an iPad, so that may be fanciful.

[@ferguscullen8451]

Great presentation, thanks. It would be interesting to see an exchange of views between you and Peter Amundsen on Shakespeare authorship. Your ideas differ but don't contradict. On the contrary, a collaboration might fill out the picture even more.

[@aztecchrist8460]

There are several parts in Petter Amundsen's documentary where he's analyzing a cipher, finds BACON, and you can see VERE or VER right beside it if you look (the first one I saw was to the left of Petter's pentagon in the inscription on the Stratford monument). Both Petter and Alexander are vital to the recovery of Elizabethan polymathy from academic monomaths too self-satisfied to do their research!

[@julusglaihengauz1794]

Brilliant!

[@RobinMarks1313]

Imagine using a pen name, thought Samuel Langhorne Clemens. As did, Mr. Eric Arthur Blair. I've used a pen name. I wrote as Eric Blair.

[@therenewedpoet4292]

I'm very compelled by all the evidence. Do you think that a "group" carried it on after 1603-5 or that the 36-38 plays were all written in the 90s? Like henry 8th?

[@gt9359]

At first glance I didn't even read 'ORARE' as one word. I read 'O RARE BEN JOHNSON' (as in: "sublime" and/or "unique"). Next I read ORARE as the infinitive of 'to pray' or better 'to speak' (which seems to make more sense when you think of Johnson 'speaking up' for the Earl of Oxford in the folio prefaces). It could be 4 words in 3 (and up to 3 meanings in 1 sentence)?

[@b.j.stoner9065]

So Interesting! 🎭

[@josephcampagnolo157]

Shakespeare of Avon was 52 at his death, not the 53 which the engraving shows. DeVere, 17th E.Ox., was 54. Neither was 53. Does that have any significance? Or maybe Vertue & co. were not very good antiquarians.

[@zantlozantlom4752]

The small miniature with the blue background appears painted by Nicholas Hilliard, one of many aliases of Bacon. Most of these portraits included gold text which is sometimes cut off when framing too closely possibly to hide the information. That text can be decrypted to name the true subject and artist. I also find it interesting that the sculpture highlights "Mr," which is also present on the baptismal record of Bacon, even though none other includes that. I suspect George Vertue or Edward Harley or someone else he may have known hid this and used other masonic information to redirect and to promote Edward de Vere as Shakespeare. WHY ? Bacon's royal birth would have shaken their world, having been the legitimate son of Francis II of France and Mary Queen of Scots. He was James I older half brother. This information, and much more, has been discovered by Jacob Roberts in "The Holy Trinity Decryption, The Hidden Autobiography of Sir Francis Bacon" on the Shakespeare funerary plaque in Stratford-upon-Avon in a step-by-step methodical way. Bacon created the plaque to tell the truth, including that he was The Bard, The Swan, and Shakespeare.

[@jayhallcarpenter2508]

Dear Mr. Waugh, It is very exciting to have a new installment from you! I couldn't help notice the triangle formed by the heads of Vertue, Oxford and Oxford in the drawing for the book. Could this be a Masonic clue as well?

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

Interesting - can you elaborate?

[@jayhallcarpenter2508]

@@alexanderwaugh7036 How may I send you a photo?

[@elainewebster3541]

I love all of this! OK, is there a reason for the space in Orare? (I did, like countless others I imagine, always think it was O Rare: Ben Jonson. Well he was a rare being.) And also, no one could have foreseen or made up the Stratford man's year of birth or his age...so is it fortuitous it all slotted in with the necessary maths? Just asking! I'm in awe of the research.

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

Of course ‘O rare Ben Jonson’ is what everyone sees and has seen for centuries. The pun - the closing of the gap if you like - the spotting of the Latin message - are placed there ‘for the worthy’. William Davenant had the same on his Westminster tomb - and he knew who Shakespeare was too! I have uploaded a presentation about him too, if you are interested.

[@elainewebster3541]

Great. Thanks so much! Please assist a very common unworthy :) I can count only 38 characters in Nicholas Rowe's frontispiece. (My fault I'm sure!) Also, I know George Vertue made '1740' maths with his sketch showing the Stratford man's year of death and age. Was that just lucky coincidence? I'm with you all the way Alexander. Just seeking further enlightenment.

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

To get to 40 you must count all the punctuation dots and the double V of ‘VVilliam’. They put ‘Aet 53’ to make the Maths work, they did not need to put that; they could have written that he died ‘aged 52’, they could have put his date of birth; they could have put any number of things but what they chose to write specifically allowed for three 1740s.

[@rooruffneck]

As we note that more and more people who lived farther and farther out from the decades of Oxford's life knew that de Vere was Shakespeare, shouldn't this increase the likelihood that people would write to each other openly more often as time goes on? It seems unlikely that only the most trustworthy people knew. And even if so, wouldn't the pressure to keep the secret slacken with time?

[@UtubeAW]

Not if it became politically dangerous for the De Veres, which it did

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

The evidence shows that the secret of Shakespeare's identity was held through the centuries by small numbers of British freemasons. Freemasons keep their secrets, they do not 'write to each other openly' about them. We must be grateful to them however for preserving the truth in their own recondite vernacular.

[@rooruffneck]

@@UtubeAW I hear you. I'd just like to hear more about #1 how the de Veres in, say, 1715 or 1789 were threatened and, #2, outside of the family what caused such a wide network of people who knew to never leak anything in an explicit manner? I'm not asking any of this from an antagonistic stance. I want it to be Oxford with every cell in my body. I just haven't heard much in terms of explaining some of these aspects. I assume we are going to just keep coming up with more and more people putting in codes that show they know and that should increase - especially as time goes on - at least a handful of explicit references popping up.

[@rooruffneck]

@@alexanderwaugh7036 Yes, I do know first hand that Western esoteric traditions do an incredible job of keeping their secrets.

[@simonedaniek9878]

@@rooruffneckyes I agree. I would also love a video on why it was so crucial to keep deVere’s secret after his death and decades thereafter. That is the only thing that gnaws at me and is keeping me from being 100% convinced.

[@blindi6326]

Amazing video once again. By the way, is there any particular reason why you pronounce the name Shakespeare a different way than I have usually heard it pronounced? edit; well now that I listen to this further more carefully, you do actually pronounce it the more familiar way sometimes..

[@Bradford.C.Wallsbury]

"Shak-spur" implies the 'real' individual of the Stratford-Upon-Avon parish records, son of John Shakespeare, while "Shakespeare" implies the author/pen-name of whomever (of Oxford here).

[@blindi6326]

@@Bradford.C.Wallsbury Ah I see, thank you.

[@rockstar-technology]

It's likely a reference to William Shakspur which is one of the several spellings of the name of the Stratfordian actor who is presumed to have written the Shakespeare works

[@simonstocken1240]

Your Latin is wayward. Orare does not mean arise Orior declines oriri, ortus sum. It’s a deponent verb It can never be orare. Oriri is how we get the orient - rising Notice the “e” - no “a” ever in oriri and it’s declensions. However a very common word from which we derive oratory Oro - orare (like amo- amare) means to speak as in oration It’s an Infinitive used as imperative, which is the vocative case (see below) Occurrences of Orare used like this are precisely zero in the whole of Latin Literature so it is indeed rare. It’s perfectly valid Latin however. “Rare” is also Latin - the vocative case so used correctly with “o” “Rarus” is used cleverly. 1. Distinguished, extraordinary (rara quidem facie sed rarior arte canendi- Ovid) It also means thin. Jonson was not thin clearly. (Hence rarefaction - from rarefacio - to make thin) Rarus - rare, infrequent Great videos - . Happy to help with the Latin or the Greek. Big fan

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

I am happy to concede that you are a far more accomplished Latinist than I am but in his incidence I find myself still stuck between your opinion and that of Lewis and Short asking if orarare were not here used in some exceptional form. Only one classical example of which would have been sufficient to draw our brainy 17th century scholar in. In any case I am grateful to you for returning to this matter which is certainly stirring the hornets’ nest among our brightest classicists.

[@aek12]

Virtue not vertue

[@redrobin4026]

Shakespeare was an Irish Bloke!

[@O3177O]

Most the plays are base on irish legends and tales