George Washington Was Gay

[@PoweredByRainbows]

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[@papabear2262]

Make America gay again!

[@ErcanKemaloğlu]

@@papabear2262 Yeeeees

[@rexholy1736]

@@papabear2262 let us not forget the US!!

[@artnotsosmart5062]

So.... Saying Washington could be considered Hamilton's sugar daddy isn't 100% wrong?

[@PoweredByRainbows]

Well we know they were same-sex lovers. We don’t know if they ever called each other sugar daddy because that’s a relatively new nickname but yes, they were gay.

[@WitherHoldingASpoon]

@@PoweredByRainbows Ok so hear me out. In the Hamilton (the musical) universe, Hamilton doesn´t like it when Washington calls him son. So, hear me out, when they were together, did Hamilton call Washington daddy or would he think that would be hypocritical? Just a thought I had

[@shavinmccrotch9435]

I should think Hamilton would have rated better than a ten dollar bill.

[@hidafluffminer]

@@PoweredByRainbows but however were they functionally in a sugar daddy relationship? or if not then what exactly was the case?

[@jasonchilds4423]

@@shavinmccrotch9435 Why? Washington is only on the $1.

[@bearlh40]

What they don't mention is that, at the bottom of each letter was this post script: "No homo". 😂

[@Xfranman]

😂

[@stormflavored8829]

Historians: And they were very great FRIENDS!

[@Jay-oi6eb]

🎶history hates lovers🎶

[@bholmes5490]

No doubt at that time people wrote very flowery letters. So isn't it possible they were good friends. It is not so plain or simple.

[@bearlh40]

​@@bholmes5490 Google it

[@epaminon6196]

@@bholmes5490 As a German Historian, I second your opinion. Male friendships evolved through time. It cannot be ruled out that Washington and Hamilton were akin to J.D. and Turk from Scrubs. In order to test this hypothesis, a linguist would have to identify commonalities and differences between Washington-Hamilton letters and love letters of straight couples of their time.

[@jasonstegallco.960]

@@stormflavored8829 So, no one told them life was gonna be THAT way? (4 quick claps)

[@Technilogica2019]

on a review kahoot my teacher put one option that described them as "roommates" i think she knew all about these letters [lipbite]

[@raze4885]

it’s your teacher’s way to see who was also a part of the community, aka becomes their fave students lmao

[@star.b47]

omg they were roommates

[@tubulardude44]

Abe Lincoln & Joshua Speed shared a single bed for FOUR YEARS, even in blazing hot summers in Springfield, lllinois with no air conditioning! Even when Abe was a successful lawyer who could afford a house! IT was SO HOT!!!

[@anerioone]

I am gay but I think that you go pretty far in Cetifying that he was gay with very little evidence to offer. The language of the Europeans could be very florid at that time so such letters would not be uncharacteristic. I do not mean to just dismiss your assertions, just to require more concrete evidence. It is far to easy to say "i saw that George Washington was gay" based on a you tube video but really, don't you think such big thing should require a more academic approach or some more concrete evidence?

[@earlaweese]

*Very little evidence = evidence. You never mentioned, “no evidence”. Very little evidence is enough evidence. Evidence is evidence. That’s like claiming that he isn’t gay because him simply cuddling a man while sleeping while his crotch “accidentally” rested in between the butt cheeks of his “best friend ‘til the end - bros before hoes” isn’t enough evidence. “They never kissed! They never held hands! They didn’t even fuck! Grown men can cuddle each other and sleep together in their underwear and still not be gay! It means NOTHING!!!!!! Just because they keep endlessly talking about sucking cock and eating male ass means nothing, either! They’re just bros with a sense of humour! For crying out loud, they have girlfriends and wives! And no, they aren’t actresses or CGI! Why would a man act straight while gay? It’s impossible! Theatre only exists on a stage! When have you ever seen some actor out in public or some troll doing things just to see how many people believe it?! It’s IMPOSSIBLE!!!! Learn to read!!! Educate yourselves!!!”*

[@ApplyUrBrain]

Exactly. I'd like to see a "control group." Show me the letters between people of that day who we know for sure were gay and see how they differ from the letters between Hamilton and his men and between Lincoln and his man. Perhaps also a second "control group" consisting the letters between men of that day who were positively known to be straight. Do that and I think you'd have your definitive answer. Flowery language was a big thing back then.

[@keyaalkudrat210]

Historians: They we're really good friends.

[@foxy_lockzy5378]

And historians will call them-

[@beasvideojournal]

@@foxy_lockzy5378 best friends roommates

[@imkingnoobuwu4326]

Fuck you historians.... gerrrrr. U erassists

[@critterfolks]

@@foxy_lockzy5378 close friends

[@galvatron7881]

Friends they say 😏😏😏😏

[@Caterfree10]

[cackles at how more entertaining listening to Hamilton will be after watching this video]

[@dreamy_lola1712]

"daddy's callin'";)

[@alikaperdue]

Washington was a powerful hottie. All the boys wanted him. I can see why

[@Ameroff1982]

I knew Abe Lincoln is believed to have been gay, but George Washington? Live and learn.

[@swirlycat5554]

...You have called upon all the Hamilton fans. Prepare.

[@peanutbutler3078]

You'll be back

[@lungsfilledofroses]

@xx_neon_axel_xx You’ll remember you belong to me

[@tiredofthis9945]

You’ll come back time will tell you’ll remember that I served you well

[@hamilcat1138]

Oceans rise empires falll

[@Esparrago135]

@@hamilcat1138 we have seen each other through it al

[@hrantgeorge2444]

To add, Washington married a woman with children. They did not have any together. Martha Washington burned his private correspondence upon his death. It's remarkable that we have even this much about it.

[@neilchace1858]

I'm not denying your claim about Washington having same sex relationships, but how does this show he may not be bisexual? Nothing in this proves he *wasn't* attracted to women, just that he *was* attracted to men.

[@seto749]

Agreed that "same-sexer" would have been more accurate, though I think there's a little difficulty in that it seems almost impossible to disprove bisexuality.

[@pommedeter7407]

I think they meant gay as in the broader term LGBT+. But yeah, otherwise, you’re totally right

[@Conorator]

@@seto749 It's impossible to prove a negative, unless something happens that couldn't have possibly happened if what you were trying to prove was wrong. Unless there are love letters from Washington to women, or Washington rejecting women, there is no way to know whether he was actually gay or not.

[@seto749]

@@Conorator Monosexuality can be disproved fairly easily but bisexuality is harder; all one can say is that the longer one lives monosexually the more likely it is that one isn't bi. I'm not entirely sure that's all bad. If they discovered something that irrefutably proved gayness, they'd likely in time be able to eliminate it. This could come from either the right or the left.

[@davont1445]

Most of the founding fathers or early presidents were gay.... 💯

[@nootnewt04]

Woah... I can pull this up if I encounter someone homophobic saying something dumb about gay men/ gay people in general. This is awesome to know... sad they covered this up though, not that I didn't expect it, but still

[@DinosaurNick]

Sad thing is, no one will believe you cause people were taught lies in school.

[@nootnewt04]

@@DinosaurNick honestly, I can see that happening- jeez. Sometimes my faith in humanity wavers... atleast there's still a little good on the world out there ;v;

[@Krayt_641]

@@DinosaurNick You realize that sexuality didn't matter and was irrelevant in politics at that time and for most American Political History with exceptions like JFK and Harding. It's not that you were taught lies; it's the fact that sexuality shouldn't matter if someone's trying to win an election. Their policies should.

[@Xfranman]

None of it is true.

[@darrenanderson7200]

The relationship between George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette was close and deeply affectionate, but historians overwhelmingly describe it as one of mutual admiration, respect, and a father-son-like bond rather than a romantic relationship. Lafayette, a young French nobleman, became like a surrogate son to Washington. He was only 19 years old when he joined the American Revolution, and Washington, 26 years his senior, took him under his wing. Washington had no biological children, and he referred to Lafayette in affectionate terms. In letters, he often called him "my dear Marquis," and Lafayette referred to Washington as a father figure. The bond was formed through shared experiences on the battlefield and a deep commitment to the cause of American independence. Historical letters and writings reflect a strong emotional connection, but this was not unusual for male friendships of the 18th century. At the time, emotional and affectionate language between male friends was more common and not necessarily indicative of romantic or sexual relationships. In short, the relationship between Washington and Lafayette is generally understood by historians to have been a profound friendship, not a romantic or sexual one. There is no credible historical evidence to suggest otherwise.

[@sergioandrade8735]

Lafayette thought so much of George Washington that he named on of his sons after him.

[@ob2kenobi388]

2:13 Side note here, but his name wasn't "Marquis de Lafayette"-"Marquis" is a title of nobility, "de" is French for "of" or "from", and La Fayette is a place. His real name was Gilbert du Motier (he had many other names, but I'm shortening it to that). Also "Marquis" is pronounced like "Marquee" or "Mar-kee". That aside though, great video! Wish this stuff would be taught in schools. People think we're some sort of "new phenomenon" because our history keeps getting ignored.

[@cc1k435]

Oh, how that was butchered. Saying "THE Marquis de Lafayette" would probably clarify this a bit.

[@christopherrobertson7723]

I agree!

[@DinosaurNick]

Historians: Such best friends! History:

[@thisgirlhasclinicalstupidi7756]

Historians: “Flowery” language!

[@darthvegan69]

GAY!!! LIKE, SUPER GAY!!!

[@fedrickthegreat2138]

Fun fact: Fedrick the great was also gay

[@a.sarnelli]

What about him was so great?👀

[@wesleybarrett9502]

Many Prussen elites were queer. The issue was unless you were the ruler of Prussia being openly gay had a chance to severely backfire. Especially if the individual at any point was considered a bottom. Bisexuality and Homosexuality amongst men in history wasn't an issue unless they were perceived to be more effeminate. Also the more power and wealth one had, the easier for society to brush it aside. Only in the 19th and 20th centuries did being gay in general was a big deal. And with that point there are very strong subtleties. Context is key

[@wesleybarrett9502]

@@a.sarnelli Frederick the Second or Frederick the Great won several wars with Poland/Luthiania that expanded both influence and lands of Prussia. Hence why he had the title.

[@chameleonicblu22]

@@a.sarnelli ask his lovers

[@jennifergalberth1240]

HE did love his stockings, frilly laces and powdered long curly wigs, didn't he?

[@cc1k435]

@@jennifergalberth1240 I suppose there was also a whole culture to support it at the time, too. 🤔

[@dactylichexaphoebster-vx5nv]

That has nothing to do with sexuality and you know it

[@earlaweese]

@@dactylichexaphoebster-vx5nv *It does.*

[@markvalparaiso1690]

Oooh GURRRRRLLL...And those wigs!!!🤣😂😂😂

[@shavinmccrotch9435]

Fool. 😏

[@hughjack5066]

He actually dyed it. Somehow more gay tbh.

[@emjay2045]

@@markvalparaiso1690 ✌🏼🤣😂

[@earlaweese]

@@markvalparaiso1690 *Weave, wigs, custom teeth, extravagant/flamboyant Victorian suits, over-the-top poised walks, extreme aficionado for the arts (willing to literally stand there for hours while getting his portrait painted), makeup (obviously - there’s no way in hell he wasn’t powdered off the ass with blush and everything with wigs like that), extravagant shoes, expansive land plots (because a queen can’t ever live in a cramped space), suspiciously TOO intelligent, always writing in cursive (extremely sus), breeches, stockings, TAILCOATS, queer hats, regalia, ornate buttons, custom-tailored everything…… what else could a queen ask for? He’s 100% certified gay. Of course, we can all conclude that he was a straight-acting gay (as many public figures are)… and another conclusion means that faking his heterosexuality means that he was HEAVILY into theatre (and we all know that friends of Dorothy are born, live, AND die in the theatre). 100% homosexual and highly-likely an aggressive/demanding/greedy/oppressive power bottom that more-than-likely assaulted Victorian gay men with large cocks that spent “too much time” engaged in public affairs.*

[@lillypop3535]

dear george washington we've been way too out of touch..

[@themagicalmess4742]

the war's been crazy, and it sucks that we don't talk that much

[@Jim-bh7gs]

​@@themagicalmess4742... or not😊

[@scurly0792]

Small note, Steuben is pronounced "Shtoyban" not "Stooban"

[@gabrielsyme4180]

I choked when my German professor said "Shtoyban-ville, Ohio"

[@ferninthehouse]

i feel that. my last name is feuerman and people pronounce it like "fewer men"

[@Contessa6363]

Whatever . Do you pronounce Van Goh correctly?? Doubt it.

[@scurly0792]

@@Contessa6363 in casual conversation no, because the /χ/ sound doesn't exist in English so I find it more difficult to say. However, all the sounds in Steuben exist in English, shown by how I was able to spell it in a way that could be read in English

[@EdwardM-t8p]

I remember reading somewhere that George Washington once quipped about Alexander Hamilton, "He seems to have a schoolboy crush on me."

[@pyron5277]

That must've been quite a shock to their wives and kids lol 😆

[@lizaramirez-garcia5944]

Not really lots of family’s got together cause they had to but if he was friends with his wife she would have known

[@novacube1491]

Maybe his wife was a lesbian

[@emmadiercks2596]

George Washington didn't have any of his own kids. Martha had kids from her first marriage

[@tdub8526]

It's always is when it's on the down low... it's there culture.

[@tdub8526]

@thinginthedeep7313 Couldn't have been illegal to be gay, maybe a Taboo, but research "Buck-breaking"

[@langleywallingford260]

Maybe George Washington was bisexual or somewhere "on the spectrum" between totally straight and totally gay... 🤔🤨🧐

[@coolkattcoder]

they should teach this in schools!

[@Jay-oi6eb]

yeah!

[@Jay-oi6eb]

@@jersydvl I think they should teach both

[@Jay-oi6eb]

@@jersydvl because its all real history

[@spimbles]

why? where? it is completely irrelevant in literally any class i can think of, including history. because history classes typically only include the utmost important people and events in their lessons. george washington is spoken of in history classes, that goes without saying, but can you tell me where anywhere in your history class did you learn about a random egyptian emperor or roman monarch specifically so you can delve into their sexuality? i dont think so, because it simply isnt necessary. not everything needs to be taught in schools, especially not things about sexuality when there are far more important attributes about a person and events that occur that are far more worth teaching than an exchange of letters. lol

[@Jay-oi6eb]

@@spimbles they tell about peoples straight relationships. why not gay ones too? im not saying your wrong I just don't entirely agree with your views on the matter

[@BackBurnerNiDiluc]

Very fruity indeed.

[@mandalasreview5539]

In that era, the letters betwen mens have these kind of lenguaje, that was very common

[@wesleybarrett9502]

Yes and no. It wasn't unusual in the slightest to have emotional or romantic undertones in letters since they were considered intimate correspondences. It just states to me he had a very intimate connection. It's taking the whole picture of just how his relationship with a mature widowed woman with some wealth and not seeking other affections points me towards the possibility of homosexuality. In the end, I had little information. This new discovery just lends more credence to Martha being a Beard as I thought.

[@meepthescorpio6367]

Interesting, Seems like George is permanently in the closet and the coffin,I wonder if Martha knew

[@DinosaurNick]

I mean he could have been bi or pan ... BUT seeing as he was a married man who had multiple secret male partners I'm gonna say he was definitely a closet gay and his wife was a cover-up...

[@DinosaurNick]

@Ajit Adonis Manilal That sounds like a poem omg lol

[@DinosaurNick]

@Ajit Adonis Manilal ooooh cool

[@dabi410]

No Martha definitely knew they were fucking, like, DEFINITELY knew they were fucking

[@person0639]

@@dabi410 LMAO... like why was this funny

[@thenextbondvillainklaussch3266]

Me and George Washington have something in common ......... We both contracted Epiglottitis 😉 Unfortunately he died from his , and i had modern medicine so i survived. Wait ? did you think ? ..... that i was ? ............ Bro ... nah ... nah ..... no way im not ! Not even slightly ......... , not even a little bit a former president 😁

[@Eryna_]

Lafayette and Washington were lovers??? Oh boy. Hamilton's going to be a lot different now.

[@amelia1507]

How does a ragtag volunteer army in need of a shower…

[@amelia1507]

@xx_neon_axel_xx How do we emerge victorious from the quagmire?

[@amelia1507]

@xx_neon_axel_xx Yo, turns out we have secret weapon

[@amelia1507]

@xx_neon_axel_xx He’s constantly confusing confounding the British Henchmen

[@amelia1507]

@xx_neon_axel_xx LAFAYETTE!!

[@Hehehheheh_12]

Some times I think Abraham Lincoln is gay sometimes

[@starchippp]

just did a dive into the letters between laffyette and washington, and WOW, that was a trip. i really enjoy reading the letters between them. people could dispute this all they want by saying ""washington was a father figure to laffyette," but i dont think a father/son relationship can be described with the word "tender"....... great vid!

[@kaiyodei]

there are loads of pro adult concentual incest people out there you know

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@kaiyodei Yea, and I got a flamethrower for all of them

[@icrushchildrensdreams4556]

@Russ Walker boner meant something along the lines of a gag/jokes until recently

[@weathersreports3906]

hey i wanna do a deep dive too because i've never heard of them before, can i get some website suggestions?

[@starchippp]

@@kurthaas4331 ?

[@gearyb9870]

I do not care whether George Washington was gay, but I do not believe that the expression of affection between men in previous eras reflects their sexuality at all.

[@jason_v12345]

Apparently expressions of this level of affection between men were not uncommon in that era.

[@jason_v12345]

@dhsheb Why would you doubt it? You don't think that culture influences people's speech and behavior? There's a book that did an in-depth study of it called "The Overflowing of Friendship: Love between Men and the Creation of the American Republic." It apparently draws the conclusion that I just expressed.

[@jason_v12345]

@dhsheb Hmm. Maybe you misread my comment, because it sounds like we agree.

[@stationarywanderer7910]

LOL! Homophobe.

[@stationarywanderer7910]

@@jason_v12345 As was homosexuality.

[@gregblair5139]

Steuben is pronounced "shtoybin" according to German phonetic rules.

[@trudygreer2491]

..like in Shtoybinville, Ohio?! 😉

[@paulmiller6647]

This is a fascinating video. Thanks for the upload.

[@piraimayitadelgadorodrigue9201]

me: aight i should go to sleep recommendations: George Washington was gay me: maybe one more video :))

[@MargaretChapman-k1y]

I think in those days these things were known about but ok as long as no scandals occurred. Gay men were often used as escorts for men's wives when husbands were too busy as they were regarded as 'safe.' As actress Mrs Patrick Campbell once said, 'Does it really matter what these affectionate people do - so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!" (Alan Dent in biog. of Mrs. Patrick Campbell).

[@pinkbunnyskyedoesthings7762]

It's amazingly horrible how many things were kept from us.

[@DocOrtmeyer]

Me before hearing the letters: *yeah right 😂* Me after hearing the letters: *holy god those guys were all over eachother*

[@bradleyswinderman7442]

That is why a city in Eastern Ohio is named STUEBENville...located along the Ohio River near PA & WV 😮😊😂

[@Jay-mh3cp]

He was a power bottom

[@keyaalkudrat210]

Sounds gay, I am in here after 48 secs

[@UniversalistSon9]

There is some evidence to suggest that Baron von Steuben was forced to leave the Prussian army and Prussia itself due to allegations of homosexuality. In 1777, von Steuben was accused of "unnatural vice" (a euphemism for homosexuality) and was forced to resign from the Prussian army. He then fled to France, where he eventually joined the Continental Army in the American colonies. It's important to note that: 1. Homosexuality was criminalized in Prussia at the time. 2. Von Steuben's dismissal from the Prussian army was likely due to the social and legal norms of the time. 3. While von Steuben's sexual orientation is not explicitly documented, his dismissal and subsequent flight suggest that he may have faced persecution due to his sexual orientation. Keep in mind that historical records from this era are limited, and interpretations vary among historians. However, it is widely acknowledged that von Steuben faced difficulties in Prussia due to allegations related to his personal life.

[@wesleybarrett9502]

I knew Baron Frederick Von Stueben was gay, but before this I assumed Washington was more asexual than homosexual. Then again, I never read his letters. I had a strong inkling that Martha was a Beard of a Type. Their union seemed to be one of convenience and their relationship not particularly romantic or sexual. I just didn't know in his lifetime he had male lovers.

[@LlyleHunter]

He slept everywhere

[@trudygreer2491]

😂😂😂 ...so they say! 👍

[@AutisticFloppa]

"so much rainbows it makes the new skittles rainbow lineup look like a joke "

[@videogamecentral089]

i googled “gay george washington” as a joke, and now i’m invested.

[@alun5903]

i read somewhere a long time ago that Martha Washington, on her deathbed, made the remark "my husband was a woman."

[@BrntoChsbrgr]

Damn Washington was a player

[@toyloliSpare]

[ Channels Waldorf muppet ] It was Short. I Love it ! (actually, could have been longer but still, I love it!)

[@Purple__Sunflower]

This is what they dont teach you in school

[@BartClubb]

I find this post very interesting how that’s what needs to be put out on media so everybody’s aware of how many guys that were around back at that time that were in power

[@carljcreighton]

Jesus was gay. Have you read what he said to other men?!

[@siriuslyjoking]

Me showing this to me American history teacher be like:

[@strafrag1]

Love it! I think I'll buy an "I Love George" t-shirt now.

[@wormbag80]

Can you please talk about Hamilton and John Laurens

[@SkyeID]

I saw a video by Alexander Avila about the love affair between Hamilton and Laurens

[@historyprofessor1985]

The American Revolution was from 1775-1783, not 1765-1791...

[@CybeleCotter]

Don't think George was, but I'm pretty sure Buchanan was

[@Chaka2nd1]

Gurlllllllll!!!!!! The Founding Fathers were Gay? As Gay as the rainbow! Yes! Yes!! Yes!

[@alananimus9145]

Why are we assuming he was gay and not bi?

[@Phoenixx_060]

he could have been! but he definitely wasnt straight 😭

[@CocoQTpie4u]

Actually I do not care if he was or was not simply because that was his fucking business. 💯

[@louisdewit4429]

With all the derogatory discrimination going on it is important to be known.

[@baldbeardedbloke6887]

I will never watch "Hamilton" the same way again.

[@baldbeardedbloke6887]

@@thinginthedeep7313 fake news? So you do not believe it? Why not?

[@baldbeardedbloke6887]

Wasn't being GBLTTIQ bring with it a Life Sentence and in some cases Capital Punishment?.

[@baldbeardedbloke6887]

If the belief that one letter is the only evidence that George Washington was gay could get you a life sentence or capital punishment on both sides of the civil war that means George Washington had an incentive to keep it on the quiet too.

[@baldbeardedbloke6887]

@@thinginthedeep7313 were you in the room when the letter was faked?

[@allies7184]

No he wasn't! And as for Hamilton, it was perfectly okay for men to show affection for each other. This was even true for Russian men and women, who kissed each other on the mouth. That didn't mean they were having sex with each other.

[@garycraigart3579]

WOW As a proud gay man and lover of history, I am amazed at the liberties you take, and the assumptions you make about these characters from the past. The letters you cite as proof would have been written in a very different style and language than the idioms we use today. If you were a bit more educated about the culture of the time you would know that endearments used between men of the time may sound gay to a modern man but were polite and respectful then. It's easy to go around labeling everyone gay, but one wonders why you feel the need to?

[@karlmiller5009]

I think your characterization of his work is unfair. He presents a defensible interpretation of a historical figure. It is true that George Washington had no children and chose to marry a widow with four children from a previous marriage. For someone of Washington’s age, social rank, demeanor, and appearance, it’s unusual he had no children at all. Not being attracted to women explains that fact relatively easily and quickly. The letters and verifiable “friendships” with other such men, make the argument of being attracted to men rather likely.

[@norme_5597]

For god sake can someone make a watt pad story about this 😭

[@lfroujibetmusic]

Yessss

[@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452]

I have no doubt that perhaps Washington and Steuben may have been gay, but certainly not based on letters exchanged in the 18th century. That is not the way to judge sexual orientation as that was the style of writing letters of the day back then. And it was an artwork taught to children that was lost by the 20th century. Go back and find me more empirical evidence besides a man calling another “my dear . . . “

[@szymonponiedziaek7564]

thanks very informative

[@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55]

Wrongfully informative

[@motorhead479]

Most Men are not 100% Straight. Researched ad nauseum.

[@AndrewPaget-u7k]

Yet America still managed to defeat the British ...

[@Mabeylater293]

Whhhaaaaaaaaatttttt? Where’s this tea been all these years?????

[@drdem00]

Nice, but i heard no "Facts" ... none of this "Stands up to scrutiny, tho ... " ... certainly interesting ...

[@may_it_please_the_court]

Okay, even if he was gay I don't really care.

[@geobee3354]

Can you do any episode on Sylvia Rivera?

[@kaiyodei]

not gay in the modern sense but still gay? is this admitting sexual orientation is a social construct?

[@FirstLast.69]

You are born gay. Such a bigoted statement

[@elainegoad9777]

Men have always had the freedom to live as they please ( yes, kept a wife and produced heirs)

[@davidturner4824]

Lincoln was also supposed to habe been gay when he was young, and on the side after he got married/

[@utubewatcher806]

Well, there is that gay mouth portrait..

[@peteallen8420]

While you were quite correct when saying President Washington never came out as gay, it is important to recognize that in his time people did not think about identity, they just didn't (by and large) "talk about such things in polite society", so even if he were homosexual (or even bisexual) he would never have spoken of it in public.

[@shanec3098]

He could be bi or pan or any number of things as well!

[@3osprey]

@Valentino De Luca 🇮🇹 they aren’t they just saying

[@justaanimefan227]

That is true I think he just used gay a umbrella term like how some lesbian and bisexual people call themselves gay

[@randomchild8420]

@Giovanni De Luca You have no idea is he was gay or not. By saying he is definitely gay and there are no possibility that he was anything else, you are erasing those sexualities.

[@lafayettemoreira4423]

And who wasnt? Its part of human nature.

[@louisdewit4429]

Alexander the Great was Gay. 🏳️‍🌈

[@mylife-23]

Best history class ever 🙌

[@ace_5813]

When you like the musical Hamilton and you knew all this:

[@GrantTarredus]

Fascinating! Thank you!

[@corey2justified1]

To classify Washington as gay because of the undertones of these letters is taking history out of its context. People spoke in a different manner back then as opposed to today. I'm not against the idea of GW being gay, I'm indifferent to the idea. If he was, he was. If he wasn't, he wasn't. It changes nothing

[@oldfogey4679]

My relative pierce was bi if even that as he had had kids!

[@darlalathan6143]

Damn! George really got around, back in the day! 🤣😂😅😆😁🥰🤩😁😘

[@SkullKidForever]

They spoke differently back then. Doesn't mean they were gay.

[@ferninthehouse]

are you dumb??

[@thorr18BEM]

So his Chief of Staff had been fired from the Prussian military for speaking differently? 😮

[@justsomeguy5628]

You should probably better not the uncertainty of this claim compared to many other claims, and/or provide more reliant sources, because it is not clear with the provided sources that he was gay. But the letters, if I'm not mistaken, do show that he was likely not totally straight.

[@PoweredByRainbows]

So the sources we provided include the letters, for which you are admitting give clear evidence that Washington had same-sex relationships. I don’t mind a little debate but you’re saying we don’t have reliable sources on this and also admitting the letters prove he wasn’t perfectly straight. But the letters are a part of our sources in the Queer History of America book we reference. I’m just confused as to your question here maybe you can clarify. Thanks

[@justsomeguy5628]

@@PoweredByRainbows yeah, I don't know if I worded this the best. While you do show the info we may need, it is a very complex case, as we aren't extremely certain about the complexities and subcultures at the time. This, I should add, has just as much concrete proof as most historical facts that are considered absolute fact. This is a fairly reasonable conclusion, but since it isn't coming from a professional, or at least not someone who is engaging in the discussion as a sociologist would, I feel like the nuance may be somewhat lost on the viewer. I also didn't realize that one of your sources talked about the letters, as I had misclicked while looking at the provided sources. Sorry about the confusion.

[@jrr6947]

@@PoweredByRainbows Are you a language expert of the time? I'm betting no, because these tones in letters were common place back then and now you're critiquing it by today's language standards. Like the word "gay" in the 1940's meant happy not like today's meaning of the word.

[@pianoplayer56723]

He was bisexual.

[@ryleighmiller900]

i thought this vid was a joke so i started watching this but i guess it's not

[@karlforsyth-gray3519]

The usevof Gay is misleading in historical context. Many men expressed deeply romantic feelings for each other. And would share beds . And sleep in each other's embrace. But would not define themselves as homosexual.

[@akirahimurakinakiyama99]

Well, people are theorizing. Abraham is actually gay and I would hope it’s true because he’s kind of my idol. People found a love letter they claimed to have and they show me a link. I’m hope I’m not being gaslighted because I don’t want false hope

[@lliamjurdom9505]

JFK was also gay ...

[@jellyboi-pc3jf]

1:58 Yes, the widely known gay Alexander Hamilton who...... had an affair with another woman other than his wife. And Franklin Pierce who had children with his wife.

[@utubewatcher806]

Just because he's married and has kids doesn't mean he won't be with men.

[@GuyT-z7o]

Who knows really but dead people? If anything bisexual. Von Steuben though… for sure. Amazing that Franklin and Washington recognized his abilities.

[@grimftl]

This is pretty thin. Such language, especially in letters, was pretty common. In the end, why is this important in any way?

[@kadencallaham6063]

Because historians try to erase LGBTQ from history.