German E Scooter Law | TTN Clips

Original Post Date 8/12/19
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[@Re0xHVH]

in germany: 1. Scooters can have max 20km/h not more (12.43 miles/hour) 2. You have to register it, and put a license plate on it 3. They only can be driven on bike roads 4. You CANT REGISTER IT IF IT GOES MORE THAN 20KM/H (12.43 miles/hour) SO U CANT LEGALLY DRIVE IT 5. If u wanna get more than 20km/h flash a custom firmware on it after getting it registered. The only issue is that if u get caught you'll get fined. Man I hate living in germany only because of the e-scooters law. Edit: Your permit will also be voided if you get caught with a modded scooter

[@espencapable]

Same for Norway. Also max 120cm length and no seats. I fitted a bluetooth trigger to switch speed limiter on/off when needed. 20kmt is fine in most circumstances, because of pedestrians and traffic, but it will feel hell a slow when you have an open road/path with no one on it :/

[@Re0xHVH]

@@espencapable ​ woahh thats 300iq i could do something like "german maneuver" on my scooter, so it has the speed unlocked till i restart it, then its back to normal. but i updated to the latest firmware that fixes that. im stuck to 20kmh:/

[@steviesteve5198]

UPDATE: You no longer need a license to ride an E-scooter in Germany, but you must register it, have special insurance for it, can only ride it on designated bike paths or in the street (they are also prohibited where motor vehicles are prohibited... i.e. 90% of bike/walking paths), and only E-scooters with a maximum speed of 20k can be registered.... I just returned mine to Amazon. WHAT'S THE POINT!? I just wanted to ride down the sidewalk the short 2 miles to work and back. GAWD Germany is no fun! I can't wait to get back to the USA, where it is easier to own a motorcycle than a fricken tiny e-scooter here.

[@warrent1490]

I am going through something like this. Hey most important rule: I miss translate the law. You do not need Tags (20kph max speed) but you must have insurance sticker, which you get at your local car insurance office, Bank, and heard ADAC OFFICE has them. I got a ticket and I think they are going to charge me for driving a vehicle (car) without insurance. Same charge as if I was driving a car. Which is BS because an eBike does not need anything and is faster.

[@kamashigamisho]

In Germany?

[@manlykscorpa]

If you think Germany is bad try UK. The only place you can ride an escooter is in your garden or driveway or someone else's private land with permission. You'll get a £300 fine just for riding it on the road, cycle lane or pavement. Here they treat it like a car cos you need insurance Tax and MOT for it by law. However you can't get that cos the build of it doesn't class it as road legal so unless you can pull some strings escooters are banned anywhere in public

[@starlord8973]

Scooters are BANNED in the UK you can ONLY drive them on Private Land if you use them on the pavement or on Roads and you get Stopped by the Police you can Get Finned up too £400 Pounds

[@peter130476]

That is sad.

[@kamashigamisho]

Of course, you better pay those gas prices and taxes... 😔

[@rogerkrueger9333]

They should let you go with purchased e-scooter to a police station and just get a five year aquiresition certificate.

[@thedaflo]

Hallo aus Deutschland. Because the scooter drive only with motorpower. The law see it as a motor powered vehicle and this need an incurance and licenzeplate. Like a car or a motorcycle. Crazy but this is politic logic. But this cost me only 17 euro per year. The worst thing is , that we can only drive with 20kph maximum. But the most people drive with custom firmware to increase the speed. An e-bike for example is mostly muscle powered ,with a electric motor for support. The law see this not as an motor powered vehicle and you can drive it without incurance. But when the e-bike can drive faster than 25kph , you need an small motorcycle incurance too..

[@baconpancakes8899]

The police banned my scooter from public roads becuz it was moving at 25kmph instead of the legal limit of 20kmph

[@catalinalb1722]

How did they measured your speed? They were pointing the radar on a bicycle lane?

[@collinsowusu-acheampong2044]

It's sooooo stupid in Germany 🇩🇪. U have to register your E-scooter. About a month ago was I was caught by police riding my scooter not even on the street but on the foot path and was funded to pay 400 euro. I ask my self, so what about the electric bikes. People use electric bikes all over. Stupidity

[@fantastictv3374]

Hey this is your other brother Collins in Belgium lol... I have just ordered a mantis pro escooter and I'm hoping Belgium law isn't strict on those

[@steviesteve5198]

GAWD! Glad I did some research before I started riding. I know Europe is all about 'big government' but I never would have expected it to this extent. What next, am I going to have to register my running shoes?

[@manlykscorpa]

In UK you can't even do that. If you're caught riding it in the street its a straight £300 fine

[@Nomadische]

I see more of e scooters are driving on footpath.. you open the door of your apartment to come out and boom and stupid e scooter driver bangs in you. I don't see e bikes driving on footpath

[@Nomadische]

I see more of e scooters are driving on footpath.. you open the door of your apartment to come out and boom a stupid e scooter driver bangs in you.. that's why you need to have rules for these stupid people

[@aarepelaa1142]

Meanwhile in germany there are roads whit practically no speed limits.

[@tarot_esoterica_with_erin]

To be clear, the German Autobahn has sections where there is no speed limit. Many sections do have speed limits at all times or in the evening.

[@pb6839]

its not that expensive to register... if youre drunk riding one and you go around a corner and break an old grandmas leg youll be glad you have insurance... just saying

[@steviesteve5198]

Yes, the German government should also require me to have a permit, special insurance, and registration to run. What if I'm drunk, jogging, and run over an old grandma? The horror!

[@JPK1337]

@@steviesteve5198 that's why everyone needs a private liability insurance. it covers everything you do and bycicles, but nothing with a motor. that is why you'll need extra insurance for every motor gadget (for scooters its like 20 bucks a year, you get a sticker that you put on it)

[@steviesteve5198]

@@JPK1337 You do realize insurance is theft, or at best, purchasing 'peace of mind' right? It is like a car warranty, if you buy 5 years of coverage for $5000, You're betting that your car will have $5000+ worth of problems in those five years, otherwise you've wasted your money other than 'peace of mind' Basically every form of insurance works this way... except maybe car insurance because yeah, I could accidentally cause $250,000 worth of damage... but at the same time, insurance companies aren't subsidized by the government (except in extraordinary circumstances) because it is a profitable gamble. I'll likely never cause $250,000 worth of damage in my life, but I'll definitely pay that $2000 a yeah because it is mandated. Insurance companies are a racket, and they've managed to get the government to mandate their service... think about that.

[@espencapable]

@@steviesteve5198 I am happy with the theft of the insurance companies. Used it twice in 5y and have gotten back way more than I have paid so far. :D

[@steviesteve5198]

@@espencapable Good for you, the exception to the rule... otherwise, "insurance" wouldn't be a viable business.

[@JPK1337]

or course you need insurance. imagine you bang against a car. you'd be poor without insurance.

[@MrKevin920]

Especially when most of the cars is a mercedes benz and bmw

[@Faiq_Ali]

I just got fined 100€ because my Escooter has no ABE means it's not approved by German law so now I can't ride it in Germany 😭. If anyone wants to buy it from me I can sell it to you at a discount price especially living outside Germany.

[@FireMunki63]

Insurance is a valid argument. Too often they are driven badly, they are on the road and pavements and can run people over, damage other vehicles etc.. People should have insurance for their Bike too. I do, it is only 60 UK GBP per year and insures my Bike against theft, but also provides Public Liability for any damage I might cause etc.. It makes sense. Also, you are interacting with traffic, traffic rules and laws so you need to be aware of those rules and laws. You need some form of licensing. I live in the UK and I am British but stay often in Hollywood and these scooters are an absolute blight and eyesore. People ride them inappropriately in traffic and too often whizz around pedestrians and on pavements, shooting out and across roads and junctions to the point that it is a wonder there are not more accidents. They damage parked vehicles and are a blight on the area. This is especially the case if you are British and happen to walk places rather than drive and at every crossing have to walk around badly parked or abandoned scooters. Fines are there to force people to conform because the reality is that the majority just take the p*ss otherwise. I see no issue with the 10,000 Euro fine, after all, it is only implemented if you break the rules. I wish this was more the case with Driving Fines in the UK so that people think twice about breaking the rules and endangering other peoples lives. Too many are willing to pay the couple of hundred quid fine and the couple of points etc.. on their license but if it were 10,000 UK GBP, prison and loss of license then ONLY the hardened offenders who could not care less would be left to deal with instead of the mass of offenders who are prepared to risk it. Sorry to ramble. This is the first TTN Clip I disagreed with so you must be doing something right ;)

[@peter130476]

You are a pussy, are you not?

[@aarepelaa1142]

Thats why i kinda take my time on them while crossing walkways amd streets, although i dont have a need to cross streets whitout walkways so i dont do that, also my little city has little traffic

[@steviesteve5198]

Wow, nothing shows the difference between the UK/EU and the US mentality more than this. "I don't like a thing so the government should stop/regulate it." What next, do I need to register my running shoes because runners are a 'blight,' could hurt themselves or others by running carelessly? GAWD I hope I die before all of the US is taken over by this mentality.

[@tarot_esoterica_with_erin]

I think you make some good points. I live in Munich (where we have hundreds of kilometres of wonderful bike paths) and an e-scooter rider was busy texting while riding and hit my husband who was walking on the pedestrian path. The dude was lucky my husband is not a jerk (guy could easily have been sued) or an older person (who could have been badly hurt). The roads here are busy, so everyone needs to follow the road rules to keep everyone safe and the traffic moving smoothly. Sadly many E-scooters riders seem to not know the rules &/or care to follow them. And if they are rented, sorry folks, they are not good for the environment - that electricity comes from somewhere; plus trucks drive around at night to pick them up, charge them and put them back on the road, so the carbon footprint is not as low as people are led to believe. Ride a bike and get some exercise or take public transport (which is cheaper than renting an e-bike).

[@georgealbany6441]

living in Hamburg Germany and I can assure you that what they do with those scooters is inhumane 😠 toss them on bicycle-paths, "stand" them on the sides of parked cars (so other passers-by can scratch those cars with the scooter's handles) drop them in the Elbe river (yes !!! 126 scooters were retrieved just yesterday), speed like lunatics in crossroads and hitting elderly pedestrians and children, that cannot avoid them so quickly, jump RED traffic lights (they try to "force" the cars to give them priority !!!!), collide between them (again for priority of way) and start fights because of this, toss them on wheel-chair-ramps and last (but probably most importantly)they SPEED LIKE CRAZY at max speeds on the sidewalks, hitting pedestrians........ do I need to say more ???.... the public opinion in most German metropolitan areas, regarding the scooters, is getting so NEGATIVE, that they are truing to impose more and more "restrictive" regulations (like to wear a helmet, to have a motorcycle licence, to have insurance for BOTH the scooter AND 3rd party damages) and they start to apply them to the rental companies too so I sympathise with you on the other side of the pond...... but you 'll eventually learn 1st hand the horror of those lunatics, if you get the numbers of scooters that we have to face here in Germany.... and then we may discuss, afresh, about your opinion about this kind of transportation....... enjoy😂

[@peter130476]

I live in Bucharest. I visited Hamburg. You don't have scooters in Hamburg. We have a lot of e-scooters in Bucharest and nobody complains about them, except taxi drivers. Are you a taxi driver that lost revenue because of scooters? Or are you working in a competing industry (like car industry or bike industry)?

[@aarepelaa1142]

Bikers totally cant do that aswell, also they can just add a law that if they see someone going too fast and then get them like a 20 euro fine or a warning if theyre not doing it super fast

[@aarepelaa1142]

@@peter130476 its their problem not ours

[@eddw123]

The rental e-🛴or e-🚲 need to give free user course about the behavioral use of their products in public streets or they will pay fines if the user misbehave in public with using their products... you get the idea.. put your brains to work and do not only see the negative side of something very useful to avoid Coronavirus contamination in the public transport system.

[@eddw123]

If Germany traffic regulations are failing with the new introduction of electric-mobility 🚲🛴🚙🏍🛵 into their streets🤪 flaying cars mobility 🤯🙈🙉 it will be delayed 100 years ..or probably more..🤣. How do you see the future of your city? Like a nice boring museum to admire with your grandma or like a very nice blowing mind modern city taking advantage of technological advances.😉

[@chrisclark1761]

e-Scooters are different to kick-Scooters. The former is electic powered. The latter is human powered. Licencing isn't a bad idea, so long as it's not a money grab. It's certainly better than the Irish approach where they penalise users of this transport. Additionally, I feel that licencing of the rider would be far more beneficial than licencing of the scooter.

[@espencapable]

Yes!