German Wing Chun Master vs MMA - Edmund Bruning vs Edler Mamedov

We have a German Wing Chun Master named Edmund "Edge" Brüning taking on a German MMA fighter named Edler Mamedov. Let's see if German Ving Tsun is functional. This match is courtesy of Defend Fight Club. We are in contact with them and have some Q&A with the league, so definitely stay tuned after the match for some details about the league. Leave a comment and let us know what you saw in this style vs style bout!
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0:52 Round one
4:35 Round two
6:02 Why you should watch the original
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[@FightCommentary]

Like always, please give Defend FC a follow. They have so many great style vs style matches: kzbin.info/door/FAkaa2bTzx2qxEDsikDN9w Also, send your questions my way, I'll pass it to Defend! More style vs style here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKa0iZ6mo7h8jJY Same Wing Chun guy Edmund doing another match: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZqZZpKIn7eqldE

[@chbjj]

Jerry, don't forget to tease the face reveal at 6:13

[@bobywirawan967]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnislaqFqrCjq5Y please analysis

[@RobWatt]

@@bobywirawan967 I'll remind Jerry. Could you provide more info on the league?

[@gusdeeks8801]

Nah Man, 2kg is not about 10lbs... 2kgs is 4.4lbs... The weight of 2 bags of Sugar. 🤨😁

[@Fluoride_Jones]

You covered it at the end, but that Wing Tsun guy was actually in really decent shape for being forty-six years old. Props to him.

[@Moowe291]

Too bad he claims to be a master.

[@ww3032]

Regardless of how fit you are, if you aren't comfortable on the ground and start spazzing, you'll get winded real quick.

[@vaggoswing5037]

@@ww3032 he isn't master he is student.

[@OoohAaah6603]

@@ww3032 haha 😂 love the word "spazzing "haven't heard it since I was a kid in the 70s -80s ...spazz, spazzer spazzmo, spazz chariot(wheel chair) .

[@ww3032]

@@OoohAaah6603 I can't claim credit for that word. Its a term used in the bjj community to describe newbies (and sometimes seniors) who use their energy inefficiently on the ground, to put it euphemistically.

[@Moowe291]

The title "Master" has officially been relocated between a beginner and novice.

[@fauxbravo]

I think the problem is that so much kung fu is separated from actual fighting. So you can be a "master," but you're probably talking about forms and stuff. Like, you could see a master do a sick, masterful form and it will be perfect. But then they've never sparred or sparred very little. It's almost like it needs to be divided into two categories. Though the smart thing to do would to just never let anyone refer to you as a master.

[@wolf3001]

I have practiced WC for close to 19 years on and off. Not all Martial Arts schools are created equal. Titles are little more than that. There are many different branches of WC it's kind of like Karate not all of them practice the exact same forms or spar each other. WC is made for close range and just my opinion but many don't know how to get in that range. They practiced with other WC people doing WC drills and little to no sparring. You can't chain punch if your not in the proper range for it. It's done to overwhelm people up close. The motion of the arms help you stay over the top of your opponents. Simply rushing someone with chain punches isn't very effective. I have instructors above me who have never fought before they know the system but a little sparring shines a light on their deficiencies. Simply put to many TMA schools don't spar effectively to teach anyone to fight for real. The styles aren't to blame people just watered them down so much they can't use them. WC biggest weakness is grappling. WC is also less effective with gloves. I have some UFC gloves with holes in the palms that work alright. I tried with boxing gloves and you just can't use much WC if you can't open and close your hands or grip someone's arms.

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

As a Taekwondo Master I encourage you to watch our sparring and see if you feel the same :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWSZm6GLh8SJhaM

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

Kiwihouse2005 B. I think Taekwondo fighters regularly have that exact issue, as well as falling while kicking, tapping instead of doing real damage, and a whole slew of other issues. That’s why I said you should watch my sparring sessions :). My channel is dedicated to helping Taekwondo fighters round out their skills by teaching some basic boxing, clinch work, leg kicks, takedown defense and more

[@phniriangram]

This guy is not a master. I went to that school in germany. Also the trainers are not masters. The main canal which uploaded the video is irritate people with calling him master. Hes not. Hes normal student theres since 10 years who maybe went there for once a week and i never saw him sparring. He learnt little sparring short time before the match.

[@zadkiel242]

"What's the lesson? Learn to fight on the ground." That's a good lesson 😄

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

One of the reasons I’m free to use my Taekwondo kicking is because I’m a purple belt in bjj. More stand up guys should learn the ground game kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWSZm6GLh8SJhaM

[@zadkiel242]

@@DevilDogMartialArts- I prefer Judo over BJJ for ground fighting. The techniques are the same, but BJJ's rules have practitioners pull guard or simply sit down.

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

ZADKIEL242 not really. Most bjj practitioners are not a fan of guard pulling. I’m not knocking judo, as it’s very effective, but it has its own limitations with sport eliminating wrestling single and double legs. Plus the actual ground work is a higher caliber

[@zadkiel242]

@@DevilDogMartialArts- BJJ and Judo will both have their disadvantages. IFJ Judo has eliminated leg attacks from competition, but they are still taught in kata. They are still very much part of competition in Kosen and Freestyle Judo. Leg attacks, though, aren't the best tool in the box either. Most wrestlers and BJJ people have to adopt a low crouching stance to go for the legs, and that stance isn't good for striking. While there is some grumbling about pulling guard in BJJ, most, if not all, high level BJJ.practitioners pull guard in competition. There's absolutely no benefit to learning takedowns in BJJ because you can immediately sit down at the beginning of a match. Learning takedowns in BJJ is like learning grappling in tae kwon do. It's practically never going to be used in competition. Hence no need to train for it. I do find it particularly odd that pulling guard is such a common practice in BJJ, but supposedly a lot of people are against it. The rules certainly aren't changing anytime soon. If BJJ simply adopted the rule to prohibit the transition to newaza without proper entry, then the sport would improve significantly.

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

ZADKIEL242 while guard pulling exists, there are a lot of people in bjj like me who prefer takedowns, because it’s always better to be in a top position. Personally, no matter how good my guard ever gets I will always prefer to start from top. So there absolutely is a benefit to good takedowns. I’m also from Ohio which is wrestling country and you can bet a large portion of bjj guys in the area had a wrestling background. As for taking a crouched stance first before doing leg attacks you absolutely don’t have to. Watch the video, I shoot a single in the first minute done from a striking set up. As someone who has been doing takedowns as part of striking for a long time, I can tell you shooting singles and doubles is a lot easier from striking range, but after a clinch is engaged, that’s where judo comes in.

[@xenadon]

Honestly not the worst. Wing Chun guy was clearly outmatched but he at least managed to defend himself for awhile. MMA guy respected his reach until he got the timing to get around those front kicks. He really stuck his chin out every time he tried to throw a chain punch combination which is a shame. Hope the dude keeps up his training though!

[@elenchus]

I really like the fighting on the grass format. For one thing, it's a "realistic" zone of fighting while also being reasonably forgiving, but it also radically changes takedowns. In modern MMA, when someone tries to take you down, you immediately run away to the fence where you can support your weight even if one leg is taken, and the "fence fighting" stage of combat begins. That's fine, but fence fighting is a pretty niche element of combat, and sort of like gi chokes, it simply won't be available in lots of common situations (like in a park). In a field, if someone gets a single leg on you, you're probably going down. There's no where to lean your weight against while you try to stall before the ref resets the fight, so you either have to get better at ground fighting, or find other ways to deal with takedowns.

[@FightCommentary]

Agreed. That’s why Ken Shamrock designed his valor Bare Knuckle to have no fence. He didn’t like that aspect of modern combat fighting.

[@malakatan3235]

In real life, when someone try to take down you, try to grab something sharp to poke him

[@elenchus]

@@malakatan3235 If you extend your arm from your body in mount to reach something you'll get americana-ed almost instantly

[@malakatan3235]

@@elenchus Hope you won't get stabbed

[@elenchus]

@@malakatan3235 If I'm going to be stabbed there's nothing I can really do about it. You're going to get stabbed boxing with someone at least as much as you are on the ground. At least from mount I can control both arms quite easily.

[@randycooks8597]

Pasture beefs.

[@FightCommentary]

HAHAH :) Nice nickname!

[@thetrickster516]

It’s so nice to see our mma scene getting some attention! Great content , keep it up 👍

[@themilesinkorea]

I’m not a current practitioner, at all, but viewing this and other vids, especially on FCB, helps me develop understanding in the area. Thanks, Jerry! And thanks to the comments posters, who are usually very useful, also.

[@integratedfightingarts]

I don't know if if it was his age or too much adherence to the forms, but the wc guy's footwork was stiff and awkward. Wc forms only teach footwork in single steps, because it is strictly a close range system. If you want to fight competitively, you have to incorporate more athletic footwork into your game. Saying this as a 44 year old who uses wing chun in kickboxing and mma sparring.

[@grayalun]

Most Wing Chun stuff that's effective is closer range which vs those who can grapple is a problem. The main issue with Wing Chun is a lot of places don't spar so don't pressure test, I've seen a few of their guys in kick boxing rulesets do alright but you can tell they've sparred a lot.

[@MichalLempicki]

Love their production! High quality stuff.

[@FightCommentary]

Totally! What a great production!

[@assoverteakettle]

Anyone else able to figure out who the winner would be within 30 seconds? You can just tell. Just my opinion but I think the one big huge difference that is a "tell" between guys who have done full-contact - be it MMA, boxing, muay Thai, American kickboxing - and those who have not done a lot of it is that trained boxers don't flinch nor wildly look away in the face of a punch, nor raise their head up. These are panic signs that guy isn't able deal with pressure and deathly afraid of taking a punch. No one likes taking damage of course but the boxer will keep their eyes on their target and looking forward, chin down, shoulders up, even if taking a punch in the process. They will never turn away. It's a different mindset. In traditional martial arts you are trained and taught to avoid taking damage at all costs and that any strike should be thought of a fatal blow - like from a sword - and be avoided. That accounts for all the fancy blocks and trapping techniques -- especially in wing chun. In sport combat such as boxing and MMA, you're trained that getting hit is an inevitability and how to deal with it through bobbing, weaving, slipping, circling out, etc. That's where the MMA fighters, muay Thai, and boxers kill traditional martial artists. Another thing tied to this is the will to go on. Again, for a boxer or MMA fighter, taking a hit here and there is part of the game. Taking a jab here and there isn't going to break their will to fight on. For many (I'm not saying all) traditional martial artists not accustomed to ring fighting, a stiff punch to the face really breaks their will. You can see it in these fights especially those tai chi guy VS MMA matches. Their old "power bar" level just gets in the red zone and they have a hard time recovering because their will is broken. It's that old Mike Tyson adage, "Eveyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

[@FightCommentary]

Yep

[@philyip4432]

Yup , I agreed totally.

[@KarimDavisFilms]

Interesting video brother, keep up the good work as always! Great to see you show support to their league!

[@kcazzzzz]

good fight by the wing chun guy, but non of the wing chun moves he did was remotely effective. his kicks and grapple defend is ok for an amatuer though. he needs to work on his cardio, balance and obviously learn how to fight on the ground and defend against takedowns

[@belzebul]

Yes, never forget that even if someone is a good martial artist, 90% of them obvioulsy will NOT have the stamina of a professional fighting athelte who is in his training peak. This Wing Chun guy held his ground quite well in my opinion.

[@grayalun]

I actually thought he did okay given his age tbf, the difference in conditioning was clearly visible and the ground stuff too. Kudos for testing his stuff though big respect for that.

[@1sanitat1]

His kicks are NOT okay. It looks like he has never kicked seriously once in his life.

[@solomonnie6108]

or not be 40 years old fighting a 20+ dude

[@belzebul]

@@1sanitat1 Yes, that's a general problem when people only do forms and practice choreographed scenarios (it's good for beginning tho), you also must PUNCH and KICK bags/mitts thousands of times to learn how to land one with effective power. This is simply muscle work which must be excersised endlessly.

[@balintjozsa]

It’s good to see these independent fight organisations as we get to see some interesting style match ups

[@captainbeaver_man903]

Props to these guys for trying their best. Definitely gotta learn some ground game though if youre gonna fight with MMA rules, at minimum some escapes.

[@Vlad_Olic]

Cool, I recently found that channel myself and it's awesome that you're covering it now. I think it's important to note though that the WT guy is not a master, he's a student. Also pretty brave to go with a guy 20 years younger :D

[@anonymousshawn9996]

Thank God the crowd is silent instead of screaming like kids

[@RobWatt]

totally

[@ralpha4350]

Love your chan man! Keep it up!

[@tee1up785]

Love your videos! Big fan

[@reallifeengineer7214]

Nice video. This is probably a 4th or 5th video I saw from your channel. Great content & commentary. Thank you. Keep up the great work! The MMA guy probably didn't move in for ground & pound in the earlier opportunities, as a sign of respect. This looked like a friendly match, partial power, etc. He recognizes his opponent is "much older" and won't fare as well as mid-20-year-olds when receiving continuous hits. So I totally understand if he decided to fore-go several ground & pound opportunities earlier in the match. I am not familiar with this VT guy. Maybe he's really good in VT range, and really good in VT range drills, where both partners are basically locked-in at the VT range to begin with. But from the first 30 seconds of the video, it is clear to me this VT guy doesn't have enough sparring experience where the range starts further away, and both fighters need to figure out how to close-in. Said differently, he did not train across all ranges of combat, and he doesn't know what to do at the long distance range. VT guy's body posture was VERY squared towards the MMA guy, but the long distance between the two did not warrant that posture. VT skills and techniques (like any other skills or strength), when OVER-USED, becomes weakness. By squaring-up like that, this posture gives a VT fighter a more neutral balance between flow & stability, as well as ability to hit with either hand. This is great if the opponent is in that range. But if opponent if further away, then the VT guy is taking all the disadvantage of this posture, but gained none of the benefits. When the range is further away, like how this MMA guy kept it for most of the time, then ability to flow is more important. Fighters can fade-in for a kick or hit, and can fade-out right away. VT guy, being too squared up, doesn't have enough flow to counter the MMA guy's fading-in/out. MMA guy was controlling the fighting range almost the entire time. VT guy was passive, when it came to range-control. The fight may have ended in the ground fight. But I think the VT guy lost already at the beginning, when he didn't recognize the different ranges of combat, and did nothing about range control. It just took 5 more minutes for the fight to come to an end, that's all.

[@truth-12345.]

The wing chun guy is legit, he just need a ground skills.

[@Quantum3691]

Honestly, I didn't see much from the wing chun guy to prove he's legit. He ended up like the majority of wing chun practitioners. Defeated.

[@tamo9659]

@@southtxguitarist8926 i think he just took it easy after he realized that he had an opponent who had never had a fight before

[@Catubrannos]

@@Quantum3691 His footwork and timing were good, but it's telling that he trains to the touch rather than using force. He was able to get inside the mma's defence many times but lacked the training to make the opening a win. Frankly I thought the mma just flailed a lot hoping to hit something. I have no idea if wing chun had bare hands if he could use locks against mma, it's a pity such things aren't tried often and it would also be better if these fights could involve people of more similar age or at least fitness.

[@kauphaart0]

Dude couldn't even throw a decent punch, not legit.

[@justalurker3489]

Lol, 2kg is not 10lbs, more like 4.4, I think in a lot of promotions they allow a 5lbs max difference between fighters, so that seems legit to me.

[@FightCommentary]

I see. You're right. I stand corrected. It's about 1 kg to 2.2 lbs. Now I'll remember that conversion for good. Us Muricans don't know metric system ;)

[@justalurker3489]

@@FightCommentary Lol I'm American too, kg to lbs is the only metric conversation I remember

[@FightCommentary]

@@justalurker3489 well, now we'll be the only two muricans who know it ;)

[@zachariaravenheart]

Sweet. I'm glad you checked it out!

[@TheFemboyConnoisseur]

Great collab defend FC

[@Eskiflow]

Do yo think the Grass is greener over here !? I have foud your channel yesterday after seeing some of your vidos i can say you are doing a good job ! Greetings from Germany.

[@LearnTrainPlay]

As soon as I saw how relaxed the MMA guy was and how the wing chun guy was moving, I thought this is only going one way. to my surprise the MMA guy took the first round to feel him out

[@crisnegri73]

One of the best KZbin chanel... 👍🏻✅

[@Sovvolf]

Man, I really wish they had something like this over in the UK. It's been so long man I just want to trade hands with some guy outside of my regular gym crowd.

[@StennMathis]

Then set it up! You have a phone, social media? Organise it, set it up, start with a small crowd, start your own fightclub instead of sitting there wishing.

[@Sovvolf]

@@StennMathis current Covid rules are kind of the dream stopper there bud. I've very much considered doing it even in my front garden (I have a sparring video on my KZbin channel that takes place there). Just got to wait for the world to.start running again.

[@StennMathis]

@@Sovvolf And to go a bit further with an alternative idea. You know how in the old world it was not uncommon for writers to document battles via the pen...Well there you are in an undisclosed forested location surrounded by trusted souls watching two men of different styles compete...Well you dont actually have to follow trends and record footage, you could actually have someone document what they see and do it as a blog...or Either further if you know a comic book artist get someone to document it artistically in a comic blog of a serious and educational nature...if its something you really really really wanna do, then nothing should stand in your way, right? Not even rules invented by those who have no intention of following the rules.

[@demoniac972]

That was very interesting, back in the early 2000s in a magazine called Budo International I got to know Wing Tzun or Ving tzun by Leung Ting and Keith Kenrspecht; One of the star students was Emin Boztepe who later quit from that organization, in summary they claimed that it was the best style to face any challenge.

[@FightCommentary]

Very interesting@

[@brunod8578]

@@FightCommentary can you bring Emin Boztepe to some fighting interviews!

[@wolf3001]

I have not seen any serious WC guys who have the training requirements to fight well against a trained MMA fighter. There is so much wrong with the WC family it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. The only place I see any WC guys doing well would be in a Stand Up only situation. I know some compete in Man Up Stand Up stuff. I Personally think Leung Ting is the biggest joke in WC and due to a lot of the political in fighting in the Ip Man lineage it's not the best source. That being said I am part of the William Cheung branch and although im confident that what I trained works Ip Man's students have really screwed things up for WC. I also believe fully that WC has been modified so much that it's hard to say if anyone really teaches the original art anymore. To find that you have to look past Ip Man to other WC systems.

[@Quantum3691]

Probably the most interesting thing I've read about Ving Tsun and Emin is the fight he had with William Cheung.

[@angelsjoker8190]

They claimed a lot about their fighting prowess without ever actually proving it in competitive combat. They always had the cop-out of Wing Tsun being "too deadly" for competition and competition rules would restrict their arsenal. Kernspecht, the head of the German/European Wing Tsun organisation was a marketing genius and casual people believed their narrative of the superior system, so Kernspecht became the most successful martial arts business man in Germany, probably in the whole of Europe, making his Wing Tsun schools a big franchise business where EVERY member (if I remember correctly, they had around 30.000+ students all over Europe) had to pay a yearly fee (around 100 bucks) to him additionally to the fee to the school and graduation fees became progressively more expensive the higher your rank was (while lower student graduation exams would cost around 100 bucks, to get into teacher/master ranks you would spend over 1000), schools would of course also pay fees to him for exclusive territory (city district) rights. Emin Boztepe's big claim for fame came from a beatdown of William Cheung a "master" (some old guy in his 50s or so at the time) from a rivaling organisation. There must be a video of it on YT (quite pathetic, looks more like a school yard brawl)

[@grasslandgraphics]

side note, their stat display is looking really professional

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Lmao

[@Docinaplane]

Thanks for this! I thought the WC guy did pretty well compared to most MMA / WC matches I've seen. As you say, he needed some ground work. I would think that the WC guy would realize he is very vulnerable to strikes that are not center line and he would expand his skill set to both block those as well as learn to throw those himself as his hand attacks were very weak.

[@brandolfroyong3542]

Hello Fight Commentaty Breakdowns! Can you do a video about Ving Tsun-Philipp Bayer?

[@FightCommentary]

I’ll take a look

[@RobWatt]

@@wingchunnews4152 Jerry already gets smacked around by me. You want to see more smacking around of Jerry?

[@hankwatt]

Wow, this is like your videos in the park! Outdoors ftw

[@FightCommentary]

Pretty much!

[@vwd6116]

Cool vid! I know that MMA dominates... but somehow I'm still waiting for some TCMs or even other traditional ones to evolve and successfully adapt, i.e. if that's even possible. But I guess any further deviations and adaptations would also make them MMA by current standards.

[@a_teonnai-ki8049]

I would say that today it is very hard to say what traditional martial arts really are. For instance modern aikido aikikai has very little to no striking technics. Meanwhile original aikido created by Morihei Ueshiba was like 90% based on striking. Last of original patriarchs ended their way decades ago. Popularization in movies contributed greatly to martial arts evolving into profitable business. Original martial arts demanded serious dedication. But such approach is not very profitable. Which led to lowering the bar. I’ve witnessed how ppl with 1,5 of training in Karate could not make 10 push ups. It all resulted in general degradation of traditional martial arts. Years ago my sensei told me that true chinese wushu can be more effective than karate which is a more straight version of wushu. But it will take many years to master those wushu technics. Therefore from time perspective karate is more efficient. At the same time how many real masters of wushu are there today (taking into consideration that CCP was not very appreciative of martial arts in general). Hard to say if in future there will be resurrection of forgotten martial arts teachings or everything will turn into variations of modern days MMA

[@hailhydreigon2700]

If they changed and adapted, they wouldn't be traditional martial arts anymore. That's the conundrum here.

[@a_teonnai-ki8049]

Human body has not changed last 50 years to imply that MMA is the next evolutionary step. The biggest misconception comes from the perspective that a newer take of hand to hand combat is superior because it is ... newer. The problem is - who can tell these days what original martial arts were? I highly doubt that for instance wrestling part of combat did not exist in Asia - taking into account how many other aspects were developed. But looking at modern karate championship it is not possible to see anything of the kind

[@SwordWieldingDuck]

@@a_teonnai-ki8049 all unarmaed martial arts are recent invention. For thousands of years people used mostly melee weapons with a bit of grappling.

[@a_teonnai-ki8049]

@@SwordWieldingDuck I will not copy-paste wikipedia. But you are wrong good sir.

[@kuo.taichi]

IMO, the biggest problem with chain-punching is the other guy already knows you're headhunting. Best to mix it in with other punch options if you're going to use it, not rely on it solely.

[@RobWatt]

I'm sure you can chain punch other parts of the body too. Not saying this guy in the video was doing that, but I've seen demonstrations of it to the ribs.

[@kuo.taichi]

@@RobWatt yeah, I've also seen it where you start at the solar plexus and "work your way up"... but really only in sticky-hands where the fighters are already in-range. My least favorite thing about WC is mother stance. It's so restrictive, you can't really enter any other way than by oblique kick to the knee or stomach and/or followed by chain-punching to the face. I've said it in previous posts, unmodified WC is great 150 ago in narrow Asian back-alleys, but it's unsuited for wide-open spaces, even rings/cages. You have to adapt it.

[@catocall7323]

@@kuo.taichi I did Wing Chun for a while. There are definitely things I like about it but quickly figured out that the way they hold their hands at centerline makes you vulnerable to overhand like you see here and the stance is too narrow and high.

[@kuo.taichi]

@@catocall7323 I have definitely observed that. IMO, many WC schools don't utilize Tan Sau enough. Very similar to an inside-outside block in other white-crane based styles like karate (chudan soto-uke), and which (while maintaining centerline most of the time) I've subsequently applied in mixed settings with great success. My theory is that practicing "mirror match" sparring (or sticky hands") with folks in the same style makes them try to use that Wu Sau (center guard hand) kinda like a spear, whereas I've found the most success in using Tan Sau to pry open the opponent's center like a can-opener.

[@stillnessinmovement]

nicely done. wc amigo used kicks well, good distance. he looks a little less comfortable when things are coming at him from the side. nice testing and good vid, thanks

[@willyschwerin]

Man the mma guy didn't really throw his right at all I was open all day

[@bugs4680]

Gotta be well rounded wing chun alone is not ideal , gotta train everything

[@taekwondobro]

I love watching those German fights

[@benbratko9904]

props to the Wing Chun guy. He at least kept his hands up and was smart enough to keep his hands up and had some basic ground defense. He lost obviously but he did a lot better than most WC guys

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yeah

[@El-Burrito]

The best part about German Wing Chun, is there's less ego to it.

[@Mafia.777]

I watch the fight long ago but Respect to the Wingchung Guy

[@hankwatt]

Rolling grass has a whole new meaning now

[@FightCommentary]

Hahaha

[@CanaleAV]

Wing Chun's approach to ground fighting is basically "just do on the floor what you would do standing up", which isn't the most optimal strategy if you ask me.

[@FightCommentary]

Very interesting!

[@bigpepper88]

Not sure what was worse. The fight or the commentary 😂😂

[@RobWatt]

Commentary, right?

[@Liaret]

Wing Tsun/Chun in Europe is pretty interesting, with some schools departing far from Chinese version of the martial art. Especially check out EWTO, they even train with BJJ instructors and do a lot of boxing-like moves. Not saying it's any good against BJJ/MMA fighters tho, u guys can all decide that for yourselves. It's certainly not my personal cup of tea, so to speak.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for info!

[@jvcastillo7646]

He’s probably thinking in the beginning I’m Master Ip.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

*C O M E D Y*

[@roshansuvarna6191]

Quite cool than other fighters of wc.. Which I saw earlier.. This guy at least fought for some time... Unlike others ended up within secondd

[@PerunaMuayThai]

I like how his teacher slaps him up in the promo video at the beginning

[@darshan2good]

White t shirt had a good chance to knee him in the rips when they were on the floor but its always intense and not easy to think of what you can use in the spare of the moment

[@billslayer1175]

Always disappointing that WC people are supposed to be good with their hands...and yet they are never able to fight the same way they train. And if you're training cannot be utilized in real life....well it's pretty much a waste of time and energy.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. Punches come too quick for trapping. That’s why you either cover up, avoid or grapple. All that trapping takes years of pressured sparring. Most people would rather do something more efficient like learn Muay Thai or boxing. And then Qi la la spends his life trying to make it work. But imagine if he focused all that attention learning tried and true kickboxing or Muay Thai. He’d probably be one of the best fighters.

[@billslayer1175]

@@FightCommentary Agreed. Sadly most people have to learn from their own mistakes. How could Qi la la know that he'd been mislead all these years? (just like most of us were).

[@JamesJrSy-cv7me]

Hey Jerry, you look better without the mustache. :p

[@anshumanbhagwati4410]

2 kilograms is just over 4 pounds! It's not that big of a weight advantage! 1 kilogram= 2.2 pounds(roughly) Americans really need to learn the international measuring systems!

[@fikrialanshory4589]

I want start that shit in my country, but I only have a pair of gloves (kickboxing gloves), any advice?

[@FightCommentary]

What country?

[@relicojustice2623]

There’s some Wing Chun schools from Wong Shun Leung’s dynasty that have an aggressive and functioning variation of Wing Chun, but there’s such a small fraction of practitioners that learnt that version, so most Wing Chun guys look like this

[@JHeinz-td4jd]

Very often Wing Chun/Tsun doesn`t look like what has`ve been trained in the dojo, when they fight in real/fullkontakt..

[@rodsyoutube4574]

Can someone help me with this why does the mma raises his hands randomly??

[@brunod8578]

2min bout lapsed and an traditionalist being still stood! Wing Chung guy seems to be good at controlling distance and central line, most of Chinese wc masters don't shows off it.

[@brunod8578]

@@GuitarsRockForever only a lack of initiatives, he was so much on Ting mode.

[@kevinseptian5020]

Agree

[@arbogast4950]

@@GuitarsRockForever the worst kung fu I've ever seen is in china lol

[@DanishnSonic]

He did well, he still needs to practice more, he needs more pressure like those. Wing Chun to me works but its because that Chinese martial arts have become more for show and performance that its not as effective. Very few have intergrated into combat sports like Sanda. With more practice and improvements to handle under pressure. It'll probably work.

[@i-evi-l]

It works fine. The best teachers are not in China. Samuel Kwok lives in Britain.

[@wolf3001]

It's always been my opinion that if a WC person could add some Boxing like drills and such and actually spar and get enough conditioning they would do fine. I know my teachers were older and really had little interest in sparring for real and a lot of schools just don't really fight. Thats my main problem with any style if you don't fight you can't fight. You just can't learn to use stuff in a real fight if all your training is done with someone who isn't moving and actually resisting. All my cousins were wrestlers and I never had issues using my skills so long as there weren't rules however if someone is serious about learning to fight you need to add grappling of some kind. To many schools have moved away from training to fight they just don't train in a way that would make someone effective in a fight. If they don't do any sparring they won't be able to use the techniques for real.

[@i-evi-l]

@@wolf3001 Samuel Kwok's channel has some footage of doing full contact chi sau with hockey helmets. Haha

[@halo-halotv4045]

Does the fighter is getting paid? And do they have a permit that allows them to have a fight tournament?

[@FightCommentary]

Great question to ask!

[@halo-halotv4045]

Thank you😍

[@harliiquinnstarlight]

That was cool

[@RobWatt]

!!boom! niceeee

[@BalDevVD]

4:54 so Wing Chun teaches side control on the ground now?

[@elenchus]

the wing chun bro is on bottom side control. You don't actually need to know anything to be put into side control and hang on for dear life

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

this is a problem found in traditional Chinese martial arts, they are not put to the test and this is what we see, wing chun can be simplified, and this fighter keeps his guard above what differs from the traditional stance of wing chun, that is he does not feel confident in fighting using the Chinese style, this channel is incredible, since the interview with babalu Sobral and ken shamrok, I realize that I take martial arts seriously.

[@brunod8578]

Dalborga

[@unable1234]

They practice form more then contact sparring. Its that simple

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

@@brunod8578 ahhhhhh, puta que pariu, kkkk passe no meu canal, usei o mito para assustar os inimigos.

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

@@unable1234 sparring,it is what will make the technique effective, and without it not how do you assess whether what you train is good for combat. thanks for answering.

[@unable1234]

@@canaldesugestoesa6651 i grew up training in a trad dojo. Lots of forms, but we always did contact practice. I saw a kid do a flying sissor take down once and it blew my mind haha.

[@blackpowderkun]

Surprisingly wing chun does have groundfigthing elements.

[@driver3899]

If you class basic up kicks as ground fighting elements, otherwise not really no

[@aluisiofsjr]

I didn't see any ground fighting elements from Wing Chun. He was only trying to survive.

[@Moowe291]

And this "Master" is going to show us how to implement them. ...oh wait.

[@CanaleAV]

Chunner here. Not really, WC's approach to ground fighting is basically to mimic what you would do while standing up, which is what the guy decently did during the first half of the fight.

[@CanaleAV]

@Cameron Webster Having someone just using WC in an MMA fight is as good as an idea as having a boxer competing in an MMA fight. In Ramsey Dewey's immortal words: "to compete in MMA you must train in MMA". :)

[@thebladedwind993]

Supplementing Boxing and Muay Thai with wing chun would probably yield more effective results. Like, boxing stance or muay thai long stance. Quick 3-4 punch combinations ending with a kick. Lomachenko and Mayweather with kicks. Or Ferguson with cleaner execution of the technique. Then again... I'm just talking out the side of my neck lol

[@garybolenable]

I think MMA guy might have been concerned about eating an up-kick and that is why he didn't engage more when Wing Chung guy was on the ground. Up-kicks are illegal in MMA now, right?

[@jorgemartinpellegrino6940]

Bad mistake for the wing chun fighter, he accepted the opponent's rules. Bill Wallace once said when Royce Gracie challenged that he's gonna fight with no rules, eyes gouge, fish hooking no gloves and concrete mat. No one never challenged again

[@prastagus3]

It is MMA but depend on the rules they are fighting in. I look at that final ground grapple with that wide undefended flanks of the MMA fighter. Any finger claw techniques would serious hurt the ribs of the MMA fighter for that grapple from that short range.

[@olvolv71]

The MMA guy wasnt supposed to fight the Wing Chun guy, the original opponent of the Wing chun guys didnt show up to the fight so they had to get a fighter very spontaneous. And also the wing chun guy never had a full contact fight, he said it in the beginning

[@olvolv71]

but you could clearly see that mma is way better for combat than tma

[@intervalkid]

They shouldn't have stopped it. He was defending himself still fairly effectively enough to continue. None of those shots were landing solid just on his arms.

[@davidkelly8145]

Specificity. MMA guy trained to learn how to fight wing chun guy trained for fighting guys that only do wing chun.

[@Quantum3691]

The wing chun guy studied "a little" grappling. He needed to be in better shape.

[@dmack1209]

The problem with wing Chun punching is you have to get in, and jumping in scared is not the way, no setups

[@Schwartzbruder1]

"German Wing Chun". Most likely that's Kernspecht's branch of Leung Ting Wing Tsun. I'll take this whole "master" thing with a huge grain of salt. BUT. 4:39 is a big giveaway. This stuff from that back was one of those things that Kernspecht's guys had started doing in in the early 80s. So there's a number of dudes from that period he could've been a student of. I dont think any of the ground stuff ever carried over to the other post-Leung Ting branches like Sifu Norbert Maday, Sifu Cheng Chen Fun, Sifu Elmond Leung etc etc but I can easily be wrong on that one.

[@FightCommentary]

Interesting, do you have a website to Leung Ting? I want to take a look.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

@@FightCommentary www.leungting.com/international-wingtsun-association here you go. i'm pretty sure this should do some of it. now. a thing i let you know is that Kernspecht and Leung Ting have long split from each other and gone their own ways. i mainly kept bringing up Leung Ting to give you context as to were a bunch of these european dudes came from. here's Kernspecht's page wingtsunwelt.com/ this is all of course is hardley the tip of the iceberg. but im just throwing out my 2 cents without trying to sound like a complete nutjob

[@CanaleAV]

@@FightCommentary I practice Leung Ting WT. If I can be of some help...

[@pizzulo81]

Remember...when you're on your back and in someone's side control, squeeze the torso as hard as you can and lean backwards. Squeezing the torso is sub city!!!

[@elenchus]

I've met people IRL that thought that they could tap me by squeezing a closed guard, like it was a dim mak move or something

[@raksh9]

@@elenchus If Senzo Tanaka is your Shidoshi, you must know the Dim Mak!

[@shinobiplays907]

is this fighting?

[@Nightwolf866]

Was ist denn Edmunds Qualifikation? Ich finde online nichts als das er mal einen 8. Schülergrad geschafft hat. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@betchalife]

Did you just say 2kg is equivalent to 10 lbs?

[@sylphlite8437]

I sometimes wonder if some martial arts make an individual a LESS capable fighter. Discuss.

[@somemysteriousguy7114]

Jerry kinda looking like an Asian Shaggy from Scooby Doo lol

[@FightCommentary]

Love that show!!

[@hasanagic96]

The caliber of the fighters at defend are relatively high. Some aren't amateurs. So to put a wing chun guy in there with them...

[@MrMattias87]

I think the wing chun guy did alright on the ground

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

I guess Wing Chun's not limited to USA or China then.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

It hasnt been since the 70s....

[@elenchus]

wing chun is super popular worldwide, behind only tai chi, it seems to be the most widely practiced style of kung fu

[@philyip4432]

I think Wing Chun is popular worldwide now because of Bruce Lee. Since it was the style that Bruce Lee trained in originally.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

@@philyip4432 that played some part of it but not most. A good number of Yip Man's master level students either immigrated or traveled internationally teaching the art.

[@elenchus]

@@southtxguitarist8926 it makes some sense given the deep connection of Hong Kong to the UK in the 20th century.

[@xvidmisx]

so when are they gonna start fighting? is it in a different video or something

[@user-om2tl8cx1t]

1.23往前打不是後退.然後他的重心跑到後面了.詠春的重心都置中.移動也要保持置中.每一次的虛招都是準備出擊.結果他虛招還閃躲

[@Eoerta]

Are you Woody Allen?

[@ThisSentenceIsFalse]

I didn't watch it, but I'm going to guess because these Wing Chun vs X fights all seem to be the same. Wing Chun guy will lack effective footwork. Fighter X will be able to take all the angles they want and do all the offense, while what little offense Wing Chun guy pulls off will be largely ineffective. Apparently you need to put your hips into your punches to get power, and Wing Chun guys never do that. Anyway, that's just me guessing. How'd I do?

[@pegtips211]

Yeah props to the wing chin guy for fighting but that art literally needs to be in a phonebox to be most effective or at least in a small alleyway, not in an open space. Even saying that most of the MMA grappling can be done stood up against a wall as well. Wing Chun Vs MMA in a phonebox would be an interesting rematch now they have fought in wide open space 🤔

[@FightCommentary]

That would be really cool! Phone box combat.

[@radthemadlad2594]

The weight difference is actually 4.4lbs, instead of 10lbs.

[@Chris-bw8wc]

as always in real life no sticky hands here

[@circulationsolutions9149]

1 kg = 2.2 lbs, 2 kg = 4.4 lbs.

[@Kalagenesis]

The Wing Chun has no step slide so he is vulnerable when advancing

[@bluehornet197]

Wait 2kg is 10lbs now? No mate thats 4.5 lbs and even if the guy did have a 5.5kg weight difference 5kg won't make a difference to the outcome of a fight

[@TurfSurf]

The MMA guy's name is Schxiaodong!

[@MontyQueues]

he didn’t have room to get up, you’re wrong also recently saw nate jorge match

[@johndomingues8237]

This is the first time I've seen fight commentary face.... Is it wrong I put his voice to a white guy who happens to know Chinese?

[@ThePassionOfTheMarc]

Did Edler Mamedov learn Mexican Martial Arts from Grandmaster Jesse?

[@RobWatt]

Who's Edler Mamedov?