Get A Medical Certificate BEFORE Flight Training! | 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Class Medical

[@lonpalkki7562]

I had an AME two years ago who gave me a physical for a 2nd class medical. He passed me, with the FAA giving me a medical certification. Several months later, i received a letter from the FAA saying I needed more tests done because of my 70 years of age. This time I went to a AME who is a long time Cardiologist and who is a pilot himself. He performed all requests of the FAA. AGAIN this AME gave me a great bill of health. Thus once again I was given my 2nd class medical certificate. Still once again nearly 9 months after I get another FAA letter telling me they needed more explanations. Which my AME DID. BUT the FAA WAS NOT SATISFIED. SAYING I HAD TO RETURN MY MEDICAL CERTIFICATION WITHIN 14 DAYS OR THEY'D SEND AUTHORITIES AFTER ME. THE FAA SURE KNOWS HOW TO RUIN ONE'S DREAMS!!

[@Giggidygiggidy12]

Your story doesn't make any sense. FAA wouldn't just ask for you medical back unless the AME reported something that wasn't good. Maybe you didn't get the full story from the first AME which through up the red flags to begin with

[@joshmc]

Yes, ask around before choosing an AME! Great advice that helped me tremendously when I started flight training. All the advice in here is terrific, I just wanted to emphasize this one important point. Thank you.

[@flywiththeguys]

Exactly!! Thanks for emphasizing that. It’s a bigger deal than some people know.

[@josemart1030]

Do your medical on an empty stomach. Don't have a big breakfast with lots of sugar stuff. You'll fail your urine test, and have to be re-tested. Been there done that. I passed the re-test.

[@flywiththeguys]

Good advice! That'll help keep things in check for sure.

[@sonnybloomberg]

So quick question, do they test for cannabis, im 24, I start school in September, im not dependent on it I quit for a long time and just took a few hits of a joint. Already quit and getting it out of my system, do you know?

[@Mike-01234]

Crazy thing is urine testing for diabetes hasn't been used by the medical community for years. Your right should fast when taking any of those tests.

[@kriston-rosshogan9926]

The relief I felt when you said that u knew pilots who are deaf in one ear was AMAZING!! I keep panicking over my medical because I'm scared i won't pass due to this!! This made me feel so much better about it!! Thank you!!

[@flywiththeguys]

It can depend on your AME. Mine literally had me turn my back and repeat back a phrase the said to me.

[@112doc]

Absolutely get your medical prior to starting flight training (former AME & pilot). If you have medical issues see the AME first, pay the fee for an exam without a MedXpress download to his office. And ask if it will be worth it to start the process( a certification consult). If you are not denied, you can still fly light sport. Don’t tempt fate.

[@flywiththeguys]

I can’t like this enough!!! If you ever want to help me out with a video in stuff like this please let me know!

[@juanfermin289]

I couldn’t pass the Blood pressure because I was really nervous or anxious to pass the test. Gave me a chance to come back the next day . Going tomorrow

[@flywiththeguys]

How did it go 2nd time? I hope everything is well!

[@kevw172]

YES! I did this months before my training, some students I knew didnt even have theirs before the semester and had to wait a whole month to find an AME near them and begin flying.

[@flywiththeguys]

Exactly!!!

[@kevw172]

@@flywiththeguys I think you couldve ended the video at 0:03 btw

[@ahmedoo2726]

From your experience with the FAA how they check for color blindness

[@kevw172]

@@ahmedoo2726 havent gotten my medical done since 2022 but they certainly do color tests

[@andrewmaclean9810]

I had a seizure once about 6-7 years ago, it was a completely isolated incident never happened before hasn't happened since, but I'm terrified it's gonna make me fail my medical. Not to mention I was diagnosed as a kid w ADHD. Thankfully been off my meds for over the minimum 90 days. Pray for me haha

[@flywiththeguys]

Do a consult first. It's worth the money in your situation. Don't even fill out the FAA paperwork! If you get denied, you wont be able to fly, even light sport.

[@v78arednek]

Knew I was going to have hoops to jump through for mine as I had a TIA (Transit Ischemic Attack, ie Mini stroke) almost 10 years ago. Researched what the FAA wanted in regard to such a diagnosis and got those test done before hand (did consult the AME before doing so). Had my AME exam in November and the FAA wanted a couple more tests, which have been done and sent in, just waiting on them to review everything and all that good stuff. Waiting to schedule the start of training until I get my certification actually in my hand.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks for sharing this, it's a big help. Sucks to have to go through that, but that there's light at the end of the tunnel!

[@v78arednek]

Overall its been nearly a year in the works. I'd be happy to go into more detail about all I had to have done (up to this point) if others would like to know.

[@Mike-01234]

@@v78arednek Did the FAA ever get back to you I heard SI's were taking up to 2-3 years now that is if they don't ask for more testing.

[@FlywithJim]

Great job as always Carl 👍 Just one correction/clarification... It's important for airmen to use their FULL LEGAL NAME on all FAA documents. The current MedXPress system allows the middle name(s) to be optional, which is not good. Many driver licenses have nicknames or are missing middle names. At a practical test (checkride), applicants will also need a valid photo ID that shows their full legal name.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks for the clarification on that one Jim. I appreciate it! Thats the point I was trying to get across. I'm surprised people can have nicknames and missing middle names. Kinda defeats the purpose if you ask me.

[@dgriffin60]

Absolutely - get your medical BEFORE you start flight training

[@flywiththeguys]

Couldn't agree more!

[@dutchygirl]

Great video, Carl! One difference with EASA is that you can't fill a form in advance. You do that at the AME's office.

[@glennwatson]

Does easa have class 3 medical. Here in Australia private is class 2 and commercial is class 1.

[@dutchygirl]

@@glennwatson EASA has the same class 1 for CPL/ATPL and class 2 for PPL. There is also a 'LAPL' medical for Light Aircraft (Pilot License). I think that is mixed up with a class 3, as class 3 seems to me to be a medical for cabin crew.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks! I really want to get into more international stuff someday.

[@dutchygirl]

@@flywiththeguys You forgot to hit the ❤ button on my initial comment LOL. And.. you know how to find me, if you have questions 🤙

[@tashrifarefin5345]

I felt soo soo much releived once you said that I CAN PASS THE TEST WITH GOGGLES!!!! yyayyay

[@Day1Fitness]

This wasn’t addressed but can someone with understanding talk about using your drivers license as your medical to become a sports pilot?

[@flywiththeguys]

That video is coming in April!

[@flysport_tedder]

@@flywiththeguys sport pilot FTW :) it's rare though.

[@ZenithE8]

No. If you have any question that you might need a Special Issuance then check with AOPA first and leave yourself space to go Sports flying if youre not going to pass medical. Thats my game plan

[@flywiththeguys]

That’s the exact same advice we give here. If you know you have an issue, don’t go in for a class medical. Getting denied WILL keep you from flying… EVER!

[@Mattthewanderer]

Most useful! Thank you for sharing this.

[@flyinglumpy]

I obtained my 3rd class last September, but it is only valid for 12 months since I have a CPAP and I have to obtain a yearly report from the CPAP company stating that I use it for 6 hours a night with an average of greater than 90% (I believe) over a year period. Just putting this out there for others with Sleep Apnea.

[@flywiththeguys]

Great info, thank you for sharing!

[@CA2APat]

Lose weight and you can lose that nightmare, unnecessary contraption.

[@amazunity]

Hello, thank you for everything you do. I would like to issue a PPL pilot licence, and I have a health problem and I have fears of not passing the medical examination. I have hepatitis B, and I am from outside the United States. Should I disclose my illness or not, knowing that my health condition is very excellent and I do not suffer from anything?

[@ragingfyah8108]

i cant lie im deadly scared of anything to do with doctors or medical tests even tho im in relatively good health and i can say i check all the categories you mentioned just its anxiety inducing , thinking about it that something like that can ruin something you dreamed about doing for so long, thx for the guidance tho

[@flywiththeguys]

I know what you mean. it's also one of the reasons so many pilots hide medical conditions they've developed. =( Thats why the sport pilot certificate is becoming so huge for recreational flyers. No medical necessary, and they're getting ready to revamp the rules, expanding pilots options.

[@charlottemajatladi5937]

I had situational depression for about 3 months with self harm, it was 7 years ago and seen a psychologist. Do you think that would hinder my results?

[@flywiththeguys]

Possibly, I'm not a good reference for that. For sure check with AOPA for information, they have articles. An AME consult is HIGHLY recommended. If you're just looking for recreational flying, checkout the Sport Pilot Certificate. No medical needed.

[@Pneuma462.]

Probably so man. I just went for my 1st class medical. Withheld alot of info on my application but when I got the the AME, they pulled up all my previous medical history and pretty much had to admit to everything. Very embarrassing and dream crushing. Don't Lie! Hope the FAA doesn't legally come after me. But the AME changed all the no's with yes and had me right an explanation for each medication. So very unlikely I'll get one but we'll see if there's a way through testing and seeing a psychiatrist.

[@BennyRuizV]

@@Pneuma462.any update?

[@KCCINCOO]

@flywiththeguys quick question how would I scheduled a consult with an AME before the actual exam, would I still have to go through with Medexpress ? Any advice would help thank you

[@flywiththeguys]

You would call the AME office directly and say you're wanting a consult. Don't fill out online paperwork just yet.

[@glennwatson]

Type 2 diabetes well controlled is usually fine. If you are diet controlled only it’s doesn’t even need to be deferred to the faa and the ame can issue (depending on other illnesses etc) Epilepsy if you haven’t had seizures for 10 years or more and been off medications for more than 3 years it’s possible you can get a medical but will have to be deferred. Those who want a faa medical internationally note there are quite a few ame internationally. I found one in Melbourne Australia before I flew over and got it before going to the states.

[@flywiththeguys]

Correct on the diabetes. It's important to have a consult if you have ANY known preexisting medical conditions.

[@Forgivefull]

It's a shame I can only qualify for a class 3 if I decide to get one. It sucks to have diabetes

[@CA2APat]

Diabetes is Curable and at home! Search for the medical truth on the topic.

[@andyhwell8419]

I’m retiring from the military next month and will probably be rated at 90-100% VA disability. All I want to do in the next life is fly. No desire for a 1st class medical for airlines. I just want a commercial to fly small planes for money (skydiving) how hard is it really for a 2nd class med?

[@flywiththeguys]

It's not. But if your disability limits you in any way do a consult first. If you find anything disqualifying, check out the sport pilot certificate. You can fly, no medical needed. BUT, you can't make money.

[@robertjosan]

Thank you for the information, so if I'm a diabetes 2 person, does being a diabetic disqualify me?

[@flywiththeguys]

I'm not qualified to answer that question. Double check with AOPA for information on that, lots of good resources there. If you're just looking for recreational flying, you can also check out the Sport PIlot Certificate - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4SZhKiuj7KfnJI

[@bandom3115]

So I got me med card for CDL A truck it seems to be the same idea right? But I believe you do need 20/20 vision with or without corrected lenses and have some sort of shape. If I can get that med card I should be able to get this one. the only thing is I’m kinda out of shape😅

[@flywiththeguys]

for 1st class medical you do. But that can be with glasses or contacts. If you're out of shape, you can always do that consult to see whats going on, but if your on medications I would check to see if they're on the no fly list.

[@EvanNumberSeven]

I cannot believe how many times you tell new people to do this and they refuse and find out they cannot acquire a medical. So heartbreaking. I was one of them! Forgot I was colorblind.

[@flywiththeguys]

Still possible with colorblindness, just depends on what degree. But I hear you on that one. This should be done first EVERY TIME!

[@Anthonyoutsidethebox]

What’s the turn around time once the exam is complete? Do you get the cert immediately following the exam?

[@j.ordan23]

if you don’t have any medical problems I read the AME can issue your certificate the same day

[@Anthonyoutsidethebox]

@@j.ordan23 awesome thanks!

[@jaeahn816]

I had a plan to take AME before flight training. But, due to many issues, like utility issue at AME clinic, Doctor got sick, etc, my exam delayed a couple of month, so I had to start flight training. On the day of exam, AME said I need to take Pulmonary Functionality Test (PFT) as I had asthma as a child. (I have inhaler for just in case). PFT took another month to schedule and results is not really within the range of FAA criteria. I have an appointment with AME anyway in two weeks to PFT results. I'm searching for FAA regulation about PFT, it is not very clear to me.

[@thomascraig6814]

I have myopia corrected by glasses, IBS, chronic mild dizziness caused by a neck problem, and an anxiety disorder that I do not use medication for. Could I get a class 2 or 3 medical certificate?

[@flywiththeguys]

No idea! I'm not a Doctor. Highly recommend a consult with an AME first, otherwise take a look at that sport pilot certificate.

[@StephenShreds]

What about BMI? Mine is 38~ ish. I have lost 25lbs and I am about to go do my class 1 for the first time just to even see if this can be a career change/ being able to apply for a scholarship. I have heard 180cm and 120kg rule thrown around and I am just under 120kg…

[@flywiththeguys]

I don’t believe in the US that BMI is considered.

[@matrix-vl4im]

I have a pacemaker. When I was born then got it replaced at 10. 20 now and I heard it doesn't completely disqualify me but it depends. What does the depending part mean

[@flywiththeguys]

It does depend. Even on which device you have. The first part is are you planning on recreation or career? If you want to fly recreation, you can do sport pilot (no medical required). If you want to get a class medical, theres a LOT of testing you have to do. This is a document for the FAA that'll help a bit. Make sure to follow the links, they take you to the tests required and such. www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/PacemakerDispositionTable.pdf

[@markwison4286]

I completed my medical & started Gold Seal. Then I applied for student pilot on IARCA. But it sounds like I need to find a flight instructor before I can apply for student pilot? I can't get a straightforward answer from anyone. ..my plan was to complete ground school, then find a flight instructor.

[@flywiththeguys]

You don't need the student pilot certificate until you're ready for solo. But you're right on the needing a instructor for the IARCA. Once you complete Gold Seal you'll get a certificate of completion that will allow you to take the written test. Once you're done with all that you're golden. Just fly train until you're ready to solo and your instructor will help you get the student pilot certificate and send you off!

[@markwison4286]

@@flywiththeguys Thank you! 👍🏻

[@Silky_mittens1031]

i actively started flight school last week, i am now on a pause until i get my medical though i am worried as i used to have adhd as a kid and worry i wont be able to get my medical

[@flywiththeguys]

I hear that can take an extra test, but it's still possible to get one. Good luck.

[@VartoloAlday]

Going Monday for my medical certificate. Kind of worried since I have sleep apnea. I do have inspire but not sure that’s acceptable for the FAA

[@flywiththeguys]

How did it go?

[@VartoloAlday]

@@flywiththeguys I have to wait for my post sleep study. Luckily the ame didn’t turn anything in for my medical certificate. He said it would be better to bring that in first if not it’ll get denied and I’ll be waiting even longer for the FAA

[@1shARyn3]

2nd Class is also required to work for ATC

[@flywiththeguys]

Is it really? Thats interesting. Didn't know that!

[@casstephens3124]

You missed one bro. After 5 hours in a high wing, the instructor stuck me in the right seat of a piper with no toe brakes on a windy day. I wanted to vomit.

[@novakjakovljevic982]

Hello, I have a biscupid aortic valve disease. Would it still be possible to get my certificate? I read somewhere with someone who got their certificate with a biscupid aortic valve disease

[@flywiththeguys]

No idea. A lot is possible, but it takes a LONG time to process. If you want to fly recreationally, checkout the sport pilot certificate. No medical required.

[@jrmodz6029]

Does it take yall 3 months to get ur medical renewed?

[@flywiththeguys]

Unless there is a problem, they usually give it to you on the spot. It would take time if they have to communicate with the FAA on a few things.

[@Sniper_Man_Clips]

Hey. I am red green color blind but I can see the colors… I’m 13 can I get the certificate?

[@flywiththeguys]

Potentially! Depends on how bad the deficiency is. I know colorblind pilots with no limitations. All about that consult!

[@hsjjdjdjdjdj8694]

I have 2 lazy eyes could this affect me getting a 1 class (im short sighted -3 and -2)

[@flywiththeguys]

No idea on that one. AME consultation for sure! AOPA may have a lot of good info on it as well.

[@Pneuma462.]

Im currently in ground school, and have a medical marijuana license but its about to expire and wont be renewing it obviously for the medical test before i start flight training, is having a medical card in the past a disqualifier?

[@flywiththeguys]

That's a good question I'm not qualified to answer. Good question for an AME during a consult though, get the real information.

[@Pneuma462.]

@@flywiththeguys okay, thank you for the response!

[@Hoffagotneeds]

Thank you my guy.

[@flywiththeguys]

No Problem. Hopefully it helped!

[@aidublin5255]

if my left ear isn't functioning, will i still pass?

[@flywiththeguys]

Potentially. I know pilots who are deaf in one ear.

[@topofthegreen]

Sadly I had bells paisley so that rules me out.

[@flywiththeguys]

Sorry to hear that. =(

[@joepro66]

You're awesome!

[@flywiththeguys]

Thanks, appreciate the kind words. Thank you for watching too!

[@kitt28]

this is the video i been wanting you two to make for the longest, and i didnt wanna hear if from any other youtube channel but you two. i can hear fine, just my memory is not the best.

[@flywiththeguys]

Thats not exactly part of the medical test, but you may struggle with the written exam and oral portions of the checkride. Took me a while to get the knowledge myself, ended up studying A LOT to get it committed.

[@aehrr4247]

Well then can I go straight for a 1st Class if that's my ultimate goal?

[@flywiththeguys]

Yep. A lot of flight schools, especially 141 programs, will have you do that before showing up to class to make sure you medically qualify. No one like to see a pilot get through most of their training only to find out they don't just before they solo.

[@thatguy7085]

Yep…

[@flywiththeguys]

Agree

[@Jeffrey-Flys]

Nice shirt! 👍

[@flywiththeguys]

I remember who I was with when I got it! Still think about that trip!

[@dwighttaylor5107]

Awesome

[@flywiththeguys]

I can’t argue with that!

[@ryanbon2414]

ADHD diagnosis and use of ADHD medication basically means your screwed. Which is absolutely absurd considering the FAA will pass individuals with farrrrr more serious health conditions.

[@flywiththeguys]

It's for sure a spectrum that I wish the FAA would address. BUT, there is still a way to fly under the Sport Pilot Certificate. You can really only fly recreationally, but HEY, you get to fly!

[@ryanbon2414]

@@flywiththeguys and that’s something, it just bothers me how generalized ADHD is . The FAA is an example of looking at someone with ADHD and saying “oh they might forget to deploy landing gear and kill everyone on board”. Government agencies literally view adults with ADHD as idiots incapable of fulfilling responsibilities, which is absolutely absurd. Sure, there are some people with ADHD whose life is a mess, and there others who are extremely successful (I.e Elon Musk). Now just think about that example for a second, Elon Musk the richest man in the world who is The Godfather of EVs and builds rockets would be deemed incapable of flying an airplane by the FAA! I am at the very least glad the FAA is coming around with depression and anxiety. Because again, not everyone person who is depressed or takes medication sits around all day cutting themselves.

[@Seeker20105]

I’ve had a 3rd Class Certificate for a couple years. How would I upgrade to a 2nd Class?

[@LowWingFlyer]

Make another appointment with your AME and request it. They will do additional testing during the exam to see if you qualify for a 2nd class.

[@flywiththeguys]

You have to head back to MedXPress and start a new application for a second class, then see the Doctor again.

[@topofthegreen]

More like a medical degree to afford flying.

[@RosannaMcKinley]

🥷

[@flywiththeguys]

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