GET HIGHER TEMPERING ODDS - Pity System in Diablo 4?! Season 4

[@Rob2628]

I dont know how many Items I already bricked, still hope Blizzard is looking into this, but here is an idea on how to increase your chance! Switching Rogue to temper Crit Damage for our Barbarian King.

[@xFoqx]

Crit damage the new meta instead of damage to close rob ?

[@michaelhughes657]

It's a simple fix.....allow us to pick the one we want, then make the value random....I can't believe this system is in place as is

[@GriizzDev]

@@xFoqx it always was crit damage. The planner does not let you pick it, because Barb is not supposed to have it. If you see a close dmg temper, it actually means go for crit dmg. He explained it in the Video. ;)

[@hrizwaldieos8239]

@@GriizzDev In what video?

[@hrizwaldieos8239]

@@ortsvorwahl030 Jemals etwas von einer Wahrscheinlichkeit gehört?

[@dennis3nde]

After I turned my PC to the east and increased the humidity by 6.66% and wrote a fourteen-page integral calculation backwards in Aramaic with my feet in goat's blood on a consecrated papyrus, I got every roll I wanted.

[@Iaco05]

Same dude usually I like to turn off my computer throw it out the window open a portal to agartha then spray some water on it then plug it back in boot up d4 then take my wireless mouse go on my roof and click the roll I want with my left testicle as I’m doing a backflip off the roof

[@BelialTnTn]

hey is that a black metal demo I'd like to listen to it

[@Rob2628]

gg! :D

[@TheOne23_]

Bro 😂😂😂😂

[@feliciozo]

Most importantly- it worked!

[@BulkersRuleZ]

I found out that 10 jumping jacks and 20 squats between tempers works...

[@stevedunahugh2203]

How do you make your character do that? I know you can't mean irl

[@Zutang777]

@@stevedunahugh2203😂

[@themacht]

Most Players are not able to do this;))) i prefer lift before level hehe

[@kitsune6929]

dude you killed me here lmao

[@AlienAmongst]

Instructions unclear my sister is now pregnant.

[@immersionHEHE]

I just found a perfect 800 mil 3 GA 2h scythe and instantly bricked it. Kinda ruins the massive dopamine rush you get after finding such an awesome item. There should be some ultra mega rare consumable for reseting tempers imo. That way you could still have hope of getting to use the item some day even though the consumable might never drop

[@disbled]

item that resets/adds temper attempt(s) thats as rare as stygian stones

[@immersionHEHE]

@@disbled would be awesome!

[@XingCollectables]

Yes i really hope this is added. same drop rate as uber uniques or even lower chance.

[@chezwickcheese139]

Whatever they do, the system needs an overhaul. Never rage quit a game faster than bricking a good item in D4. I don’t understand how this dev team can design such a punishing system. S4 has so many positives but bricking your gear brings the entire season down.

[@nathanwiens108]

I've bricked 2 decent necro items by getting the + to Priest Effect duration 4x in a row after getting another undesirable effect.

[@Shipdacheese]

I've bricked more than 12

[@afb9999]

Wait 30 secs before reroll

[@Shipdacheese]

@@afb9999 what?

[@immersionHEHE]

I just found a perfect 800 mil 3 GA 2h scythe and instantly bricked it. Kinda ruins the massive dopamine rush you get after finding such an awesome item. There should be some ultra mega rare consumable for reseting tempers imo. That way you could still have hope of getting to use the item even though the consumable might never drop

[@spagzs]

Why is it rng? If my blacksmith couldn’t put what I want on my shit, I would fire him.

[@mikka8514]

Yes

[@SpenserLi]

I think how it works is the better the item is, the more likely it’s gonna be bricked 🤷‍♂️ whenever I have an item with all 3 affix I want natively it’s almost certainly going to be bricked.

[@nycionx8328]

I feel this too. But who knows what they wrote in their code, im really curious. And same goes for enchanting, another gambling sorta brickable system in the game I don't rly like

[@nenadpetrovic8746]

I had the same thought and decide to temper a crapy weapon. Got 5x in a row wrong stats until it broke. And then, I used a good weapon and repeat and got again 5x wrong stats and broke again!. And just for fun I used 3th weapon and got dmg while berserking after 5 more tryes. So. I got 14 times in a row wrong stats. And after I finally hit dmg while berserkering, it was minimal % offcourse... Ty blizzard for this new rng I wanna blow my brain out mehanic...

[@khazul8549]

Same. On my rolls when I need close damage, I only get distance damage. On my barbarian... I have more distance damage than close damage as a Thorn barb. I don't even get why you can roll distance damage on barbs. I guess I will be the first bow barb

[@Unko-Q]

what i do is not spam tempering. I wait a bit before trying a new temper… think of the weird RNG system that blizz made (nobody knows their coding) is it might work like a “clock” when it sits on code line A12-S … you will have weighted affix pulls towards say dmg to close. Then after xxx seconds (lets just say it sits for 25 seconds) or how long they coded the duration, it will move to A12-T and then that has higher weight to dmg to distance … and so on and so fourth. Also DONT hit the skip button while you spam … i always seem to get the EXACT same affix over and over

[@andregoepfert2745]

Yes! Same quickly skipping results in the exact same affix for me too

[@youngwang5546]

What if you waste your luck on the test item and hit the desired stat right away

[@ThatOneDudeNick]

Not sure about this but might as well try it since it's so cheap. I'd like to earn an item that removes one option from the pool or something to increase odds. I definitely think it should be possible to fail, but it would be nice to get something to help the odds (earnable from high end activities). Or after I land on the affix I want, give me an option to lock it in by burning all remaining tries for one shot at a higher roll.

[@andregoepfert2745]

Locking, even for a high cost, should totally be thing!

[@HeyHappy-xu4oo]

Tempering is stupid. Make it more expensive, not useless after 5 attempts!

[@mabus1232]

Honestly you should get to temper indefinitely it should just adjust the top range down 1 percent each time

[@nycionx8328]

Yes I hate it with a passion. Let us reset it but make it expensive, at least we don't have to lose the item for good

[@Rafael-km9mx]

@@mabus1232 lol? at this point they should just let you chose what you want, and no. Hitting good temps feels really nice, the game is already easy enough lmao, gtfo

[@UnknownServant]

finding the equipment is already hard enough. Its literally like impossible to get good rolls on amulet or rings... let alone tempering

[@Nyx__]

This actually makes a lot of sense, since we have so much overflow of materials..

[@Archangelmd]

Took 20 tempers for Druid friend to get chance for tornadoes to hit. Bricked 2 items and got it on 3rd item.

[@pewpewlasers7930]

I’ve found 1 triple GA two handed mace. 1. I rolled it to be universal at the beginning of the season. I’m so glad I did because I’ve changed builds 3 times now and I still use it on bash barb. Its strength, max life, flat damage, flat damage, 40% 9600 damage chance. My first build was dust devils. It would’ve been trash out the gate. The fact the good triples are so rare after days of playing on just my barb. If people are getting this many triples I guess I need to get good. This was before I knew you could roll crit with the rogue.

[@esvban]

this is some copium

[@Rob2628]

Pity mechanics are a thing in many video games. However we would need a HUGE sample size to confirm something like this. It worked multiple times now for me & I am also talking to a lot of top players in china that all use this method. Just wanted to share here do what you want with your items!

[@HGEntertainment]

@@Rob2628 copest cope ever coped hands down

[@iLikeRNG]

@@Rob2628grow balls, u now only do any shit that get u views, u r just another yt channel, not rob anymore for me

[@Souzz__]

Hes right about the pity mechanic, but idk about this one 😂

[@seligaprv8669]

@@HGEntertainment not like he is telling anyone to do this. Like he said, go do what you want with your stuff

[@edvaedan9161]

I believe in Poe (I’m no expert) you can improve chances of crafting what you what by improving the item level first. Wouldn’t mind that for D4. Some additional step and crafting mats needed for items you really want to maximize

[@h4nto772]

in poe you can affect the craft in many ways. - higher item level guarantees higher mod ranges. the mods pool is filled with every tier of every mod, so it has: life t1, life t2.. life t7 and same for any other mod. crafting a lvl 85 item (if i am not wrong) for example removes all the t2 and lower mods from the pool so you are sure of rolling t1 mods (which means the chance of getting the mod you want the highest roll are higher) - there are meta-crafts such as ‘prefixes cannot be changed’, ‘suffixes cannot be changed’, ‘cannot roll attack mods’, ‘cannot roll caster mods’, ‘can have up to 3 crafted mods’. these meta-crafts are useful to prevent certain mods to be rerolled/deleted when you do some crafting steps on the item or to prevent certain mods to be crafted on the item (therefore increasing the chance of all the other mods) - there are mod groups: every mod is part of a group and you cannot have more than one mod from the same group on an item. so what you basically do is crafting a mod on the item (usually a mod that is part of a huge group of mods you don’t want) before doing any kind of process that adds a mod, so the chances of you getting a mod you want are higher i might have forgotten something, been playing poe only for less than 2 leagues

[@MegaAKuRAi]

I tested this the theory in the video and experienced similar results. I am pretty sure it starts random, therefore you might want to start with a dummy piece. First time testing I got the tempering I wanted on a dummy,... great. It cycled correctly twice on the dummy piece. Then I ignorantly put in a real piece and it tempered wrong (important, the counting starts here, therefore 1), threw a second dummy in cycled for 4 more "wrong" tempers, got to a count of 5. Then I put back in the first real piece and got a weak correct role (6), re-tempered then got a strong correct role (7). This was me trying to get close damage on a ring, so offensive, then natural finesse, which has 4 options the game can choose from. This experience may not be the same on others tampers that provide more or less options to tamper (3 or 5 for ex). Maybe there is a pity system, maybe it rotates between tempers fairly regularly when it is supposed to be random, therefore a bug. Anyways I figured the rough formula is: 5 wrong, 1 weak, then 1 strong. I like how it rhymes :P, yoour experience may differ between every try, but getting a dummy piece and using it when you have "bad luck" has worked for me.

[@Dartlin]

This reminds me of how single player games have health really low but its higher behind the scenes so you feel more excited at low health, these type of techniques have been used many times to add suspense

[@afb9999]

Just wait 30 seconds before rerolling has been working for me

[@Danny-zw7sw]

So desperate I want to believe this and will try lol

[@Unko-Q]

can sorta confirm this seems to be somethin that ive been noticing. Cause i experimented on NS where i got boat loads of gold/mats to sacrifice to test

[@andregoepfert2745]

Can confirm that based on small sample size if i smashed the skip button tempering very fast i got the same affix 4x in a row for 2 items and a third got 3x in a row the same... maybe sth bugged on their end..

[@nycionx8328]

​@@andregoepfert2745we all coping hard 😂

[@kinzengo]

@@andregoepfert2745 i rerolled same affix 4 times in a row too on different items, what's the possibility? maybe it's the server issues?

[@urarael2]

I have noticed that way as well but nothing fancy. What I noticed was sometime Temper Items was GOING my way for like 3-5 items in row. then It bricked my items 3-5 time in row. back forth. so yeah it makes sense. I 100% believe it

[@duskairable]

ive test this and it does work. got crit hit dmg on 5th try on main weapon after 4 fails in a row on other weapon

[@CM-xw1yx]

Every "yay" moment becomes a "sigh", tempering bricks every single good items that drops for me inside 30 seconds and I just cant be bothered anymore.

[@yorkshirelad3133]

dude i love your energy, great fun, tempering put a lot of fun back into the game, everyone loves gamble/crafting, everyone hates a brick but that's what makes a win so much more worth it

[@wowandrss]

I mean it's statistics, if you roll a dice for X amount of times not getting snake eyes, while the likelihood doesn't change for each roll, statistically you're more likely to see snake eyes at roll 11 compared to rolls 1-10 assuming you never saw snake eyes.

[@Fitsuuu]

Thing is, I get what they want with the tempering system and it makes sense for common gear. But there NEEDS to be an item, hell make it an uber-unique rarity item that lets you reset temper chance. Making good triple greater-affix items so rare and then having a high chance that you just brick that item is awful game design. I've had 2 total, both bricked and honestly it's completely killed my desire to play the game.

[@timm8998]

Ive never even gotten a decent 2 GA item myself, but bricking 2 3 GA's must suck indeed.

[@mikka8514]

Yes i have 3 greater affix in 3 weapons all brick I can’t do this anymore…

[@Trozzo]

I like the tempering mechanic, it's fine. The cap on rolls is stupid though, I've bricked so many potential upgrades in the last few day's

[@warlordqwerty1]

I think there is such a thing as pity mechanic for D4. I ran maybe around 300 duriel with 1 Uber dropped. And for some reason, within 20 minutes of doing duriel, 4 different Ubers dropped. I kid you not. This was season 3.

[@Gorlami90]

It’s like getting the ray gun out of the mystery box. You have to do certain arbitrary things in game to raise the chances.

[@SheLuvMeNot]

if there was a pity mechanic, I don't think it would work by "crossing gear items". It would make more sense that if there was 7 temper roles on 1 item of gear, and you rolled the same stat 6 times, on the 7th roll it would exclude that stat from the selection pool, thereby increasing chances for all the other stats. Something like this as a "pity mechanic" on a specific gear item would make more sense than just rolling the same stat across many different pieces of gear of the same slot.

[@umbran0x]

That's what you'd expect but with Blizz you never know. They could have just set a pity check but then forget to reset it on a new item. They've made bigger mistakes.

[@basxhor]

Blizzard should make a mechanic with some additional stone that can be used in order to choose specific affix on the most powerfull weapons with greater affixes.

[@nana5946]

Just did it for a perfect Necro amulet. Thanks for the info!

[@zaiyas1408]

I just want them to add a way to reset temper re rolls like an item as rare as a resplendent spark that gives an item 5 more rerolls.

[@drenath]

Or just have it work like the Enchanting system where I can choose to keep sorta-useful temper, but still try for the W and not have sorta-useful overwritten by useless. Or even better LET US CHOOSE THE AFFIX rather than stacking RNG on RNG on top of yet more RNG.

[@zaiyas1408]

@@drenath yeah hopefully they update the system I don’t want it to be easier I mainly just want a way to get more rerolls. That way we have a new super rare currency to hunt for that can be used sparingly on god items that unfortunately bricked during tempering

[@Nyx__]

I just say: "I invoke the spirit of Lilith, Daughter of Hatred" and I've yet to brick a single 3GA item! (I haven't tempered a single 3GA item)

[@Ivar_Hrafnasson]

Will you be doing another update on the double swing build? Thanks for your work

[@xaelek4222]

This is assuming heavily that there's a weight system applied to the tempering mods. It's much more likely that tempering is just an even chance across every mod because how would the game even know what mod you're trying to temper in order to give you "pity" odds.

[@steveocho]

Tempering is definitely not even.

[@D2Mephisto]

Well it's very similar to cooldown reduction on amulets and helmets in this game. Ever notice how those two particular stats are very, very, very rarely raw stats on items that drop? I almost never see a neck drop with CDR, or a helmet. I almost always have to roll those stats on myself. My view of this since the original launch of D4 is that there is a weighting system to the affixes that are "most desirable in general" such as CDR. This would just be the same Dev team applying the same logic to a sister system in the game. Seems plausible to me.

[@xaelek4222]

@@steveocho You absolutely can't know that until Blizzard releases the actual data on tempering or someone in the community does proper testing with a very large sample size.

[@MrJjRyBritt]

@@D2Mephisto there is def a weighting system on stat roll but not sure how it transfers over to tempering

[@steveocho]

@@xaelek4222 the sample size is everywhere: your personal tempering, videos like this, other people voicing the same opinion. You don't need to run through a sample size of 10000 tempers to figure out that there's a large imbalance on what rolls for tempering.

[@apeckx5090]

I've bricked soooo many great items from tempering. Such a pain in the ass. Wish they'd give us 10 trys per item and allow us to keep or change like they do with affexes

[@InnoMori]

Well idk it feels to me like the opposite. I’ve rolled on several items I desperately needed only to get the same affix 4-5 times that I don’t even need at all

[@CoL_Drake]

Using rogue to put critical DMG on all barbarian gear + grandfather is a good idea for bash barbarian?

[@RestService996]

I guess for Bash not, bash dmg comes from the bash cleaver tempering, but you can maybe combine it.

[@p7755fn]

Perfect, but what about chain lightning sorc? 😮

[@MrPiffy]

Has anyone actually figured out the + skills on amulets and how they actually upgrade works i got a greater affix hellbent commanders amulet that came at +3 upgraded to +4 at masterwork 7 didnt hit the crit at 4 or 8 and was curious if at 12 it would go to +5 or if i should just restart dont wanna waste a bunch of mats

[@Tunichtgut789]

1 crit makes a natural +2 to +4, and you get 1 extra from greater affix. If you hit it twice and upgrade it to 12 it will be even 6. The +25% message on skills does not really make sense, or at least I don't understand the rounding ^^

[@MrPiffy]

@@Tunichtgut789 yeah I don't get it at all I had my fractured winterglass with +2 conjuration skills it crit at 4 upgraded to +3 at rank 5 then I took it all the way to 12 and it stayed at +3

[@Tunichtgut789]

@@MrPiffy Hmm. I was 80% sure a +2 with 1 crit would be 4 on level 12. The only thing I can Guarantee is that Golemmasterie Greaterafix 3 (natural 2) becomes with 1 crit a +5 and with 2 crits a +6 in level 12

[@jorgtomtschak1679]

every +30% you get a +1 so at Masterwork Rank 7 you get a +1 even without a crit with one crit you get your +2 at Masterwork Rank 9 without crits you get a total of +45% at 12 so only +1 so maybe redo Masterwork in lower levels untill you get the first crit

[@KuZ_Jr]

So what if you really get the right stat on the trash items ? Do you just lose the supposed pity, cry (again) and start over ?

[@rob0matic]

duh

[@KuZ_Jr]

@@rob0matic ty for your participation

[@SkxnnyGamingOnYT]

I think people are just getting to comfortable with getting what they want, just accept that it certain things ur gonna have to fail against a boss and that they dont need nerfing and that if you dont get the right temper or masterwork hit you wanted then you need to go farm again. Thats the whole point of these games.

[@SkxnnyGamingOnYT]

Their are few people on this game like Rob who have time to play for 15hours straight and get lvl 100 across 3-4 characters in the first 2 weeks of a new season. By moaning that you’re not happy you are fucking over half the population of the game.

[@mabus1232]

What do you do if you do get it on it on the dummy item lol

[@xzyvvy917]

I used all my tries and failed to get movement speed on my boots where I had 1/3 chance. Not that it proves anything, but I don't believe pity mechanic where you have multiple choices with very limited number of tries results in a meaningful increase to a chance of you getting the one tempering you want. I know pity mechanics exist in games, but I feel like it's copium here. But would be nice to hear from Blizz and see if they can confirm that.

[@Alex_Tea]

Will we ever reach a higher level of copium than this? debatable.

[@Smokeyxz]

Didn’t work for me. I burnt 3 pieces of gear for corpse tendrils size.

[@j4XX0N]

Everyone saying this is Copium does not have any knowledge in video games and programming. this is a thing in many games and this is a true thing.

[@Fred-ug2vz]

This shit is real that's why it's not RNG it's weighted odds in different situations

[@Groomaing]

Leveling up, I tried to get Fire resistance across 5 different items and got it after 26 consecutive attempts in quick succession, so idk about this so-called pity mechanic lol...

[@walrussemen8001]

So if I make a rougue I can roll crit in n my barb weapons ??

[@R1d3rBul]

I didnt get , how you changed the hero and still have the same inventory ?

[@_amgrosch_]

Its like Roulette. I guess you have every time the same odds.. you can get 7 Times "red" in a row but the 8th time is also 50% Chance to get black.

[@thomasheinzerling8000]

This reminds me of useing "pathways" in d3 to get primals.

[@Ballard_Muscle]

After a couple hours of messing around with temping after watching this video I can confirm the pity mechanic is a thing, I’ve bricked WAYY less items and half the time I get a perfect roll cuz the game thinks I’m just that down bad. After 5 tries if u don’t get the hit that time there’s a really high chance it’ll be the next one

[@JayPag]

11min video for something that can be summed up in less than 30 seconds. Interesting choice.

[@dustynstockle6097]

Lmao how the game supposed to know what of the 5 random stats u even want xD this is not how piti works..... pit get exactly what u want .... this is all random .

[@kenrichardson1072]

It’s true, I’ve got all the affixes I want on all my gear

[@Rudeuslul]

farming 80million gold so you can enchant an item and not get what you want after wasting all that gold... makes me not wanna keep playing the game for the rest of the day honestly

[@quicksilver6825]

LOL same

[@Rudeuslul]

@@quicksilver6825 endgame is literally just throwing gold at your gear. You know it takes 40million just to fully masterwork one piece of gear?

[@Doso777]

No harm in doing it, unless you count the materials and gold that is...

[@nsbss1]

Whats the theory of rolling the same category 4 times in a row. That has happened often. so much for pity.

[@无情小鳄鱼]

My personal experience, I missed vulnerable dmg 4 weapons in a roll for my heartseeker rogue, and then, I hit vunl dmg 4 times back to back. So this could be pure RNG or Blizzard is watching lol

[@Frozty]

For a pity mechanic to be a thing in this case, the game would have to be looking at what skill you have leveled up, and assuming that the matching temper is your goal, and adjusting rates based on that. So it would be interesting to see tempering roll data on a bunch of items initially while specced into Bash, then respec completely into a different build like HOTA that also has the temper you want on that same temper recipe, and do an equivalent amount of tempering after that. If suddenly the outcome changes, it's confirmed.

[@Creamworks]

you're overthinking this. it would just track what temper you haven't gotten.

[@Tunichtgut789]

It's not pity. It's just that human's notion of randomness is biased in that they expect more alternation, or shorter runs, than are in true randomness. So most Human Interacting software does not follow randomness but has some weight adjusting distribution to feel "more" random but actually are less random. An extremely obvious example for this are music playlists on random never repeating the same song/(the same order) multiple times.

[@horus666tube]

today i bricked 14 2h hammers trying to get bash and close dmg ... 12 with 1 greater affix and 2 with 2 ... i mean like wtf ... i didnt use the pity mechanic, cause i thought after 8 bricked weapons the one with 2 affixes should work, so it was kinda semi pity ... and i failed ...

[@HawkTuahD4]

It's tin foil. Because I've salvaged 4 times in a row not ever getting the affix I needed once. Tempering rolls are like roulette, the last roll doesn't affect the next roll. This would imply that tempering is like black jack, where the cards on the table can help you predict the next card... No. Each roll is independent. Because I've gotten fucked 4 items in a row and Billions and billions in gold. As Im typing this, within the last 30 minutes, I salvaged 3 amulets worth 10B combined trying to get fire damage over time ONCE.... haven't gotten it yet. Tempering is the dumbest shit on earth.

[@JuniorRican]

They need to make a reset option like they do when you master work.. its so hard to get greater affix gear to just have it ruined by tempering 🤬

[@hazihorst2912]

225mil main hand just saved by this one

[@brentsteven4944]

tempering is too volatile in my opinion, you finally get an item with good stats, you roll it, it bricks or rolls the low end of what you want and you still not happy. I have had good "luck" with tempering maybe 5 times since season 4 started. Honestly kind of wish they dd not put a limit on how much we can roll it, or at least doubled it

[@RoxxSerm]

The lengths people have to go before arriving at the realization that tempering is GARBAGE, because bricking items is. In a RNG-loaded game, i dont want to destroy my good item finds. D2 still got the bast loot system. An item drops, if the rolls are good.. youre lucky. If not youre not. Loot 1.0 in Diablo S4 is amazing, i really think so, until it comes to tempering and masterworking. That stuff is just rancid garbage. Its solely deisgned to keep you around for longer ( more likely to buy stuff on the shop ) and not to make more fun.

[@kato3363]

Hi rob ty for all the content, I want to ask you something I cant find the bash cleaves affix on the blacksmith says bash increase damage and not the bash cleaves. Where I can farm it or is bugged? I hope u can help me ty from Chile

[@ishalltear7145]

Tbh if it's true or not the tempering itself is great but the limited trys is just stupid as hell why they don't make the first 5rolls free and then what ever make it cost pit mats or gold

[@jw3807]

Can someone please tell me how to get ranks of core skills on gear (gloves specifically)? All build guides recommend this and I have yet to see a single piece of gear with +ranks to core skills. New player by the way so I apologize if I’m just stupid.

[@droid5785]

Find on ground, open helltide gloves chest, roll gloves at obols vendor

[@Atarizlol]

RNG drops, I have a pair with that. If you want the base +3 you need that super stat thing for it. Otherwise would be a max of 2 outside of masterwork RNG

[@chaddrusso8850]

I think it has to be 890-925 gear to roll a natural +3 on it or it needs to be a greater affix or reroll at the occultist and hope to get lucky

[@WARLORD_1]

Can anyone tell me how to farm Marksman Fenisse? Is there any specific character or boss or out level or just random??

[@RestService996]

You need to be on a rouge, i found all my finesse on lord zir, and helltide

[@kyleadams6720]

Add a rising gold cost for each temper after 5 and it can be a dramatic amount too even

[@mhouse451]

Why are you using a Rogue to roll barb gear? Is it because of a pity mechanic that is more likely to roll +crit damage if the character is a Rogue?

[@UrHumanShield]

Barb can't roll crit damage. Rogue can.

[@Juanbadday]

Needs to be pity drops of ubbers atleast on the tormented 200 versions ran over 50 last night still zero ubber uniques

[@alanclarke1704]

No they are uber uniques for a reason

[@ATST990]

Bad luck , got 3 Ubers on in 10 tormented runs.

[@ExtremeFighter]

Thats just sad 😢

[@SSalach]

i feel u man, im at 36 tormented kills 0 uber uniq

[@saliva1305]

@@ATST990 ME TOO

[@alexossan2829]

Isn't this just regular RNG? Assuming all tempering manuals all follow a discrete uniform distribution, i.e. all affixes within a manual have equal chance and are independent of each other, then it follows that the more times you have not seen an affix, the more likely you are going to see that affix just because over a large number of attempts, you should get roughly the same number of each affix. It's been a long time since I last did statistics. But couldn't you simply test this against the hypothesis that the results of consecutive tempering attempts (using the same manual) follows a geometric distribution? If the test passes then there is no pitty system, and it's all just confirmation bias.

[@geistmachine2373]

A dice roll or coin toss is an independent event meaning it is not influenced by previous attempts. Each roll has the same probabilities as any other regardless of what’s happened before. You can calculate the likelihood of a series of results, but it still doesn’t make any future event more likely.

[@hatenuke1]

i rolled 25times without seeing on upgraded bash , im cursed

[@mr.gamingz]

Same

[@xf3arles5x33]

This is gonna suck when you’re trying to get that max roll and the game says “I see what you’re trying to do” and then doesn’t roll your temper again 🤣

[@americanshah5041]

I’ve gotten damage to distant enemies 7x in a row that bricked 2 great rings for my Barb… no pity system for me.

[@khazul8549]

It's the same for me and I can't ger why you can roll distance damage on barbs. That's just stupid

[@benanantavara4272]

Chinese guy : Rob I discovery duh peety shitem! hahahaha hihihhi Blizzard : 😏 😂 🤦‍♂️ Ancients: 💀 ☠️ 💀

[@DummyThinksThoughts]

If there is a pitty mechanic , then they don't seem to feel sorry for me because i brick almost everything

[@alexwilder7135]

The video is crap, half of the area with the roll is covered by the camera, the other half is covered by chat!!! I didn’t understand anything at all what to do in the end!

[@MrHoopski]

ive been saying for years, devolpers know what build you are going for (programmed) when you enter things like tempering - if you make two characters (say druid) 1 pulv and one hurrican3 if you want hurricane on weapons use the pulverize build - you will get hurricane half they time the same other way around - they decide the minute you enter whether you will get the affix you need and its weighted against you unless you fool it

[@Tunichtgut789]

There is no "pity" system. it's just that human's notion of randomness is biased in that they expect more alternation, or shorter runs, than are in true randomness. So most Human Interacting software does not follow randomness but has some weight adjusting distribution to feel "more" random but actually are less random. an extremely obvious example for this are music playlists on random never repeating the same song/(the same order) multiple times.

[@Godlage]

Is bullshit. Got corpse explosion damage 6 times in a row. Didn't want it.

[@saliva1305]

lmfao

[@michaelb885]

my current record is 42 failed tempers in a row

[@mr.gamingz]

Doesnt work for me, i will continue bricking the normal way.

[@MagnatBelka]

К сожалению эта теория от банального не понимания теории вероятности. Шанс выпадения красного на рулетке после выпадения черного АБСОЛЮТНО такой же как шанс выпадения красного после 40 подряд выпавшего черного.

[@joande24]

On today's episode of "Probabilities for Schmucks"..

[@flowqi212]

Its fun to think about it but to make it statistically relevant you probably have to try it on a 100 items 😅

[@flowqi212]

Also I wonder ... isn't it trivial that the chance increases with every failed attempt? I mean statistically its not probable to fail many times in a row ;)

[@kk-di6cb]

I have scrapped some god rolls because of the horrible rng of tempering

[@gouda96]

These developers couldn't code their way out of a paper bag. This is far too complex for them to do, and even if they tried, it wouldn't be reliable.

[@TheDeehS2]

How does this proof anything? You need a huge amount of sample to proof a pity system like that

[@alex_tahiti]

did u even watched the video?

[@Awrelio]

"Too prove this, we need a large sample size" Did you watch the video?

[@madcattv9675]

he doesnt have to prove shit dude, its about faith!

[@joecookjc]

Blizz devs are either watching this and laughing their asses off or are wondering how you got this inside information lol

[@troyferraro2382]

I just want to pick my own tempering that would be way better than RNG.

[@marcuslt976]

nope... not working for me ! at the end of days, all depend on RnG

[@likinsausages3647]

Me who bricked a 500m 3ple GA Bludgeoning💀💀💀💀💀

[@xMrNight]

I ain't relying on some ''maybe'' pity mechanic lmao

[@PhoenixBlacke]

I was trying to temper fire res on 1 item for my wifes necro. Failed with 3 items. 15 mf temper tries and couldn't get ONE fire! This temper is broken pos. Edit: Took 17 temper tries to get just ONE fire res!

[@Schnarchnase]

I call bullshit on this. 80 rolls to get the one mod I was looking for when there only are 4 options aka a 25% chance. Not to forget, the devs claim, that there is no special weighting. Everything allegedly has the same chance. Bullshit.