Gaming's Biggest Tragedy: The Rise And Fall Of Diablo 4

Have you ever wondered how a beloved game franchise like Diablo 4 could go from a record-breaking success to complete disappointment in such a short time? Join us today as we take an in-depth look at the Complete timeline of Diablo 4 and explore the incredible rise and fall of one of gaming's most Incredible game launches of all time! From pre-release anticipation to post-release despair, find out what happened to this fan favorite and how much it will take to fix it. Don't miss this entertaining exploration into the biggest gaming disappointment of our time.
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00:00 - The Story
01:14 - The Beginning Of It All
05:02 - The Dark Times
08:30 - The Dark Times
13:14 - Big Money & Big Promises
19:45 - The Launch
28:59 - Is There Still Hope?

[@Suhrvivor]

Fun fact: Right now there's more people watching videos about Diablo IV dying than people actually playing Diablo IV.

[@seph8529]

I think it’s cause our minds are blown how the game could be fun to play gameplay wise and be ruined completely by totally horrendous and tone def bad systems designs and decisions as well as sheer corporate greed. Well they got their cash grab out of it. It’s sad cause there is a good game in there - they were more worried about scamming their players for every dime than making a game that’s fun. To me itemization is the biggest problem. Yes the endgame badly needs more - but the itemization is SO bad like compared to Diablo 3 it makes no sense how they could mess it up so badly. Let’s have 80 types of CC - and then stats that give damage bonuses off those exact types that make no difference to the player - let’s have lucky hit and crit and crit with this type of skill or if the enemy is injured or is healthy……what?!?!? Plus it costs so much to re-roll a stat that they might as well remove that feature from the game cause it’s practically useless. Who thought this shit was a good idea or was fun?!?!? I was having fun on the game - I like playing it - I like the story - I like exploring the world. Their design choices make zero sense. They were more concerned with min maxing their ability to scam you than being concerned the game was fun. Sounds like they were doing the same thing to their employees. We can’t have anything to enjoy without it being ruined for the greed of some entitled greed drunk asshole. Blizzard became a brand because of quality and trust. They never had a lot of games - but the ones they had were quality. It’s the exact opposite now. They could not care less about quality and have no respect for their players - they treat players like marks to be exploited and bled dry - not customers in a gaming community. I feel bad for younger gamers. I am almost 40 - I remember when getting a game you would be blown away with how much there was. I used to play sports games - Madden on PS2 gave you throwback jerseys and stadiums - old teams - classic stadiums - season and franchise. When PS3 came out EA took most of that out and put it in as “extra” content. Then they got the exclusive madden license that ruined football gaming for the last almost 20 years. They were the outlier then - now it’s come full circle - the gaming industry sells scams disguised as games now. More casinos many times trying to find ways to hook people to get them to spend extra rather than making someone want to be a return customer because your game is fun. I never had an issue paying $15 a month for WoW cause we got new content. Now they make a game and just make “extra” stuff at launch that’s optional - why is it not just part of the game like it used to be? Buying an expansion pack is one thing - but all the best looking gear being for sale?? That would of never flown before but now it’s common place. Blizzard used to be above this - now they are one of the worst offenders.

[@ching9778]

hahaha so true

[@luminen4051]

Right now Diablo 4 has less viewers on twitch than Diablo 2

[@Emoralis]

@@seph8529I clicked read more and was worried it was an unhinged rant but you are right.

[@DanielgunKim]

@@luminen4051speaking of d2r, I can’t wait till ladder season 5. 🎉

[@doktorarkham1439]

I do not know how anyone can be surprised by this after watching Blizzard for the past 10 years.

[@khadorstrong]

I mean people have been preaching it yearly and they keep on chugging along

[@dhoffnun]

Yep. It was always going to be something like this - every last bit of Blizzard's soul has vacated the company, and there is less than nothing left. After D3, after everything else in the past few years, I couldn't image even giving D4 a chance. Seeing videos with titles like these seems like a matter of course.

[@miothan]

Ye, there were obvious signs that D4 would be...less than stellar to anyone with a critical eye, as usual now-a-days, i never pre-oder and never buy on launch dates, i wait to see how thegame is ACTUALLY like, cause the past 10+ years game companies have been shi**ing out garbage and expecting me to take it up my a**. no no, im not doing that anymore, release fun quality games or you won't be getting my money, ans sadly, D4 is neither high quality nor fun, so it won't be getting my money.

[@GodwynDi]

I'm not sure anyone is surprised. Saddened, but not surprised.

[@christiandauz3742]

I wish Blizzard used all the money they wasted in these past ten years to help Ukraine instead Billions of dollars to hire Mercenaries with the best gear to murder the Russian orcs!

[@MoralsInSongs]

The advertising was insane, i live in a village with 2 bus stops and they both had diablo 4 adverts on them

[@user-bn3gi8zj6t]

At least that gave you something to have your hopes crushed by. sigh

[@TJzWayy]

A village? It’s crazy how different worlds are to some people

[@Stealth86651]

That's some BS, I live in a large city and we didn't get no Diablo adverts. Probabaly because they know we would have stolen them all, but still it's the thought that counts.

[@RidoDrago]

​@@TJzWayy a village yeah, you know, where there is less noise and more peace, where almost everyone knows eachother and greets eachother when passing by, where the dawn of the sun and stars at night are still visible, where you wake up from chickens instead of police or ambulance sirens, etc etc. Indeed we live on the same planet but different worlds...

[@jakobquick6875]

Off but still on topic..😊 Why the fuck do companies spend more time in “the mini-movies, commercials, posters, etc..” Then… checks notes… The actual GAME we are waiting for😂 Never buy first/ or before seeing “gameplay” Almost every time… Better the ads/commercials = crappier game

[@Tuesdayb2008]

A great example of how companies don’t listen to the feedback from their player base and implement what they think we want.

[@TheWoodworker1966]

They implement what they think will make them money.

[@user-yt2rq8qn3l]

Players feedback is not that helpful. The risk taking culture is and that's what Blizzard leadership will never understand about artistic endeavors.

[@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv]

Games Workshop did that in 1998. At least 40k 3rd edition was a good game. Unlike DIV..

[@TheWoodworker1966]

The devs listened with Starfleet Battles. The result was homogenous, boring races with no differences to speak of.

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

I disagree to some extent, people don't know what they want. Customers are stupid

[@YTartschool]

The main problem with this game was that end game really made you feel like you were wasting your life playing it. Most games are pretty good at masking this, Diablo 4 featured it.

[@MinecraftMartin]

I felt the same way with Diablo 2 and 3. Nothing new for Blizzard. I'm amazed people keep buying this crap. I see these complaints and think .... you guys are 100% responsible for your own gripes. It's well known that Blizzard doesn't make games for players anymore. Hasn't been for at least 10 - 20 years. But everyone's going to forgot about all this when Diablo 5, or any other shiny new Blizzard game comes out. Same cycle every time. Blizzard releases a game, millions of people will buy it. A week later we get these content creators releasing profound video presentations analyzing "what went wrong in game". People in the comment section drop their own hot takes. There's sooooo many good games coming out all year long from companies that still have some soul. And people keep going back to Blizzard expecting an experience that Blizzard is just too greedy to deliver at this point. EDIT: Guys, if you like that's great. You're always going to find someone who disagrees with you, that's life. You don't need to prove anything to anyone if you like a game. Just play the game and have fun. Don't let my personal feeling offend you, we don't even know each other. The fixation is a little weird. I'm just saying you got no excuse to be surprised or offended by Blizzard's predatory game design anymore. They're not even hiding it at this point, it's on you for playing their games. If it doesn't bother you, great! If it does bother you, you walked into the trap willingly.

[@mementomori7207]

goat comment

[@Skiamakhos]

@@MinecraftMartin same with World of Warcraft tbh. Once I played ESO I couldn't rekindle my liking for WoW. I played WoW for nearly 10 years, but the number of areas where your supposedly heroic character actually made any difference remained minimal. In ESO it's baked in - you complete an area's storyline quests & it'll placate unquiet spirits, or defeat the vampire menace or whatever, and life gets easier just getting around the map. NPCs mention the heroic feats you're famous for. In WoW it feels like you just don't count no matter what. the group of enemies you killed 4 minutes ago? They're respawned. Nothing matters.

[@arthemos4627]

I feeling I'm wasting my life playing it at level 30

[@hodokwaja]

But all games are waste of your life. No productivity, unless you will be a pro and be productive with it

[@aas55]

During my childhood Blizzard couldn’t get it wrong. As an adult, they can’t get it right.

[@edwinmendez3396]

Yup

[@edwinmendez3396]

Diablo 4 made me play wow classic but shorty is dying atm

[@shoblizz21]

This is why gaming companies that go public do not answer to gamers. They answer to shareholders and are not allowed to take risks. Their goal is now to fill the shareholders pockets or the company will be doomed.

[@BisuTenshi]

When I was growing up, I dreamed about working for Blizzard, everything was such an amazing experience... many years later, I felt like I have been completely betrayed by blizzard.

[@austinboyd5363]

​​@@shoblizz21no they take risks but under the direct order of the producers and investors that don't actually care about the I.P.s. The shareholders in charge are the ones taking risks by not allowing the developers to properly create a game of this style that isn't, for lack of a better word, BROKEN or GREEDY.

[@AndyNguyen211]

I dont know, I tend to avoid full price games that contain words like "seasons" or "market"

[@Nova-je6nq]

"Battle pass" is bright crimson flag for me personally.

[@AndyNguyen211]

@@Nova-je6nq yeah, that too.

[@azoniarnl3362]

A real tumor on gaming right now.

[@alexandregermain8011]

+ NFT and microtransaction. When bullshit marketing kids arrive on the job market to make everything taste like overpriced garbage

[@treyvonnecarter8908]

Conclusion: I’m glad I didn’t purchase Diablo IV

[@TheJasonx7]

You and me both brother.

[@K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O]

This absolutely warms my heart to see Blizzard struggle, especially financially. They 100% brought this on themselves so I have less than zero sympathy for them.

[@Christoff070]

Zero care for player base 100% care for profit base

[@deepblue8143]

​@Christoff070 are you new to business? No company cares, it's all about the bottom line.

[@Christoff070]

@@deepblue8143 Indeed

[@theatomiclizard452]

Struggling? They aren't struggling at all.

[@davidsha81]

Seriously, when you have so many people going on strike because management is sexually harassing their employees and their CEO isn't doing anything about it.......

[@kirara2516]

That phrase, "Do you guys not have phones?!" Will forever go down in infamy.

[@burtreynolds8030]

Definitely, I have a toilet too but I don’t eat my dinner from it

[@Abedeuss]

Blizzard's "Sense of pride and accomplishment".

[@clay3205]

That dude was internally panicking. You know he was. It just jumped out of his mouth before he could catch it.

[@isuckatthisgame]

They should hire that bald red shirt guy to put them in place.

[@canadianbeef1958]

Who wants to play Diablo on a phone? What a dumb idea.

[@tony9146]

I guess I’m alone in enjoying Diablo IV these days? I’m really enjoying the game. Seems like they stumbled at the starting line but as of late the game’s been great

[@joshualewis514]

Ive enjoyed it...they made a lot of improvements.

[@carolime1956]

I like it too! I can't wait to go home and continue playing it.

[@mikevigliotti3798]

This is why I waited to get it. Still haven’t bought it but knew it was going to be a disaster in the beginning. Had to stay away and watch from afar

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

It’s free for a week on Steam right now. I’ve played a few hours and I’m wondering when it will start to get fun. It’s a shame nobody told them how important it was to hire an amazing foley artist. One of the best parts of Diablo, that helped to keep me playing, was the incredibly detailed and disturbing sound effects. Who else remembers the first time they heard the sound of their axe splitting open the skull of a Fallen? Like a watermelon splitting open and splattering its contents onto the pavement.

[@D--FENS]

The sound design of the original Diablo, much like Half-Life, wasn't merely good. It distinguished itself to the extent that it is instantly recognizable decades later.

[@CrPBcon]

It’s incredibly fun now since s2 landed. Obviously you wouldn’t even scratch the surface playing the trial 🤣 I mean, don’t even try to comment about the game.

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

@@CrPBcon Oh cool! Does it stop feeling like a low-end cellphone game after level 20? I finished it with every class, hoping it was just that I didn’t like some of the classes. I hope I’m just judging a book by its first fifty chapters.

[@CrPBcon]

@@bungalowfeuhler1541 Wow arguing like a true 12 yo🤣

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

@@CrPBcon Arguing? I’m excited to hear that I misjudged the game.

[@safebet5841]

Blizzard is the best example that greed consumes the brain. A company that was known for innovative and exciting games and fan service now feels like it’s made up of people who have no interest in fans but only see dollars in their eyes. It’s a pity, but the downfall was initiated at the latest with the acquisition by Activision. R.I.P Blizzard.

[@drippinwet774]

Nope. Most people have a problem turning their eyes to success in regard to income. Once people humble themselves by paying attention to compensation structure then people will have the ability to make more wise purchasing decisions, if people's focus is on a more wholesome gaming experience. The biggest red flag was Blizzard's offer of a "Collector's Edition"; this edition did *NOT* include the actual game. It all started with Diablo 2.

[@jachcoff]

you either die a hero...

[@charlespokeradventures]

I only played WoW, I loved it till Cata came out for me; it was too easy for everyone. Yes, Activision has ruined many titles over the years (for money only).

[@astrayamatu]

its all about the suits and wanting to make more money each year , so yea greed as an vanilla player of wow i have seen the downfall too its sad, i am happy that i grew up in the 80`s to play the great games they made in the 90`s some were i cant say precisely when but i still remember those great times as a kid playing on a Pentium

[@manboy4720]

@@jachcoff or you live as a villain. or you just die.

[@brentwarwick]

Diablo3 item description: "Increase your damage by 5% for each ally within 30 yards." Diablo4 item description: "Increase your non-physical damage by 0.3% every time you spend 5 energy on a core skill while standing in a pool of blood when surrounded by at least 5 undead within 15 yards when your health is below 50% and "Reign of the Pointless Skill" has less than 4 seconds left on cooldown. This skill stacks up to 12 times but all stacks will drop if you fall asleep while playing and your wife hits you with the "Baseball Bat of the Gullible Idiot" for wasting your money on this tripe.

[@dankduelzperuvian]

That's "Diablo". Both are awful.

[@acidtears]

D3 wasn't awful.

[@dankduelzperuvian]

@@acidtears D3 doesn't exist. If you're referring to "Diablo" 3 then yes, it's dogshit, beyond trash

[@will20823]

The best comment I have seen so far

[@joshanderson924]

LOL couldn't have summarized this game any better

[@brendonzhang151]

It’s the result when sales people and accountants make the call, when the goal is to maximize profit rather than to optimize player experience, when the dedicated and passionate employees being replaced with people who just want a job, and when players keep supporting such greed.

[@empjaio]

The main campaign was good and fun with nice graphics and the cinematics and characters were great also. The late game was boring and a chore to try to follow the limited events happening randomly, only to get useless loot. The dungeons were all built on the same mode - find the keys to open the door - to kill 2 elites - to kill a boss. Then seasons happen and there was no way on earth I will lvl up a new character for a few gameplay changes that will only last a couple of months. To me it was the same feeling I've had in D3, nice to try it for a while but I don't get why people tryhard to find some interest in it after that...I won't get back to that game since they won't change all those points and honestly I feel I'm tired of Blizzard games in general, there are way better games to play with...

[@Wade-1]

Looks just like d3 to me. D2r is better sad to say.

[@RudeReaper]

Diablo immortal but better graphics

[@noerufrost643]

Plenty of great indie developers without the greed and wayyyyy more quality.

[@Jayhawker2000]

Agreed. I bought it, played the hell out of it for a month, and then moved on. I got my money's worth. It's a really good game, just not a great game. If they make inventory management better and make it easy to respec your character, I'll give it another try.

[@BungieStudios]

Reminds me of Destiny 2.

[@Dave-um7mw]

"No game in history has gone from 7 million down to less than 40k in a few months." Blizzard sets yet another record!

[@kimrasmussen7188]

7 mio means, that they still made a big chunk of money on it. they will try and do the same thing again, and they will prolly succeed.

[@someone-ji2zb]

Pretty strong record since it isn't a sub model game. Why would they give much of a crap? Keep in mind diablo 3 was WORSE on launch before reaper of souls. Also keep in mind reaper of souls was essentially a 'fix' that they charged money for (for the most part). So despite that knowledge, most of those sales were pre-order sales. So even with a bad reputation, during the information age, people refused to wait even a few days for player reviews, because they had to get their "fix" of something new for the sake of it being new. Activision Blizzard is brilliant. They keep breaking sales records despite not having enough employees on any given project, over a decade of lies being documented, and overall not focusing on quality control in their corporation what so ever.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

@@someone-ji2zb Why would they give a crap? Because there is so much in game monetisation that they clearly spent a SIGNIFICANT amount on developing those features. Designing, coding, etc. These are multi millionaires and billionaires we are talking about. They will notice that they could have saved money by not developing those things and still sold as many copies of the game. Investors rarely care about the long term survival of a game, but this is not long term. This was a short term death - they did not make their expected return on the investment of designing and implementing all those monetisation methods. They could have spent less AND had more profitable shares to sell on to the next investor. That's EXACTLY the sort of thing these people spend their entire lives thinking about.

[@AnhNguyen-hn9vj]

terrible. Diablo 2 is a good game.

[@AnhNguyen-hn9vj]

@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies too greedy end up bankruptcy. main focus should have been make the game enjoyable and get all the players aback. the rest of the marketing pay for items is just an add on on the latter of the game. People are not stupid. they know you make the game so people can have a good time or you make the game to milk their money.

[@QsPracticalNonsense]

Blizzard didn't shoot themselves in the foot, they shot themselves in the face... and somehow reloaded the metaphorical double barrel and shot themselves again. It's wild how far they fell

[@chrimony]

Crying themselves all the way to the bank...

[@silco5343]

greedy and stupid. combo never fails to fail

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Yet people still give them money.

[@user-yt2rq8qn3l]

Anyone that put a lot of value on being allowed to play 4 days before everyone else deserves to be scammed out of their money. The offer itself should be an instant red flag that something's wrong in the company.

[@inferno4710]

Bit of a brain dump on this whole ordeal: For context, I've been playing Diablo with my dad for years now. I used to watch him play D2 when I was little, and that eventually led up to playing D3 when I was old enough to be introduced to that sort of thing. Neither of us are particularly interested in really truly no-life grinding out characters or seasons like madmen on D3, but it was always fun to sit down and just genuinely enjoy the game together. We liked the loud, overwhelming screens when you'd get to higher levels and into paragon and all that, and seeing just how much crazier everything got when we'd inevitably crank up the difficulty again every time was enjoyable, seeing how quickly we could disintegrate a boss' health bar. I've probably replayed D3's story mode more times than I can count, and actually speed-ran it for my friends a few times for fun. Personally I've never kept up with Blizzard as a company, nor the Diablo community online since I usually only ever played it with my dad since I was mostly interested in it solely for the Game itself, rather than where it came from or the people around it. I've pretty much experienced D3 in a vacuum chamber, and still consider it likely my favourite game, so when I stumbled on the D4 trailer (late might I add lol) I showed my dad and we agreed to pre-order it and eventually play it when it came out. It was hard to lock down time to play it, so We've only played it all of three times over the past 2 months as of May 2024, but we definitely got to the party WAY late, and I had no idea the game was such an enormous dumpster-fire until now. We did download immortal on the phone when it came out and were both pretty much baffled by how egregious all of the micro-transactions were, and lost interest pretty quickly. It just felt like such a far cry from what D2 and D3 were to us that it just wasn't worth it in the slightest, but we never looked into it any further than that. But setting up D4 we were also punched in the face by more micro-transactions the first damn screen we loaded up, so I just remember both of us being super baffled by it. Just- putting such a blatant cash grab as the first thing your players see when booting up a game didn't sit well. Especially so given we're supposed to be here for a story and a game to be experienced, not to just further paid for. But again, neither of us know much about Blizzard's history with this theme in recent years, so we just brushed it off. We aren't very far into the game yet, hardly level 27, but we're enjoying ourselves. It's pretty, and the updated animations and textures are cool, and the atmosphere is well built and executed... but that's sort of just it. it looks good I suppose, but if that's all that's to it then I'd rather go back to D3 once I'm done with the campaign mode. We're like, the filthiest of casual players mind you so if none of this holds ground I wouldn't be surprised, but it feels like there's very little direction given to the player on where to go or what to do. Not a bad thing mind you! But certainly frustrating for us when we're trying to figure out navigation through a bunch of menus that are lacking in explanation at best, completely baffling without an online query at worst. a lot of the menu navigation feels clunky in a way that D3's system certainly didn't, and I find a lot of little things that added a little charm to the older games is completely lacking here. I vividly remember reading through the descriptions for skills like with the Barbarian and seeing a hulk joke in the lore bit, or finding a headcrab helmet you could transmog, or finding silly enemies with sillier names, hell- even annoying my dad by rapidly running my joystick through my player menu was fun. Maybe I haven't played enough to make this call yet, but It just doesn't feel like I'm going to be finding those sorts of things in D4. It's really quite disheartening to learn that Blizzard has made such a mess of such a loving, hopeful community of people who just want to see their well-loved game be done right by. It's so strange to suddenly learn that a franchise I'd held in such high regard was reduced to a cash grab and immediate failure, especially having no prior context to any of it. If you've taken the time to read this, thank you. I know I don't offer insight or valuable knowledge to this discussion I'm several months late to, so I hope at the least I've numbed your brain a bit so it doesn't hurt too bad from the headache that was learning Blizzard's actions as a company. I appreciate your time here with me, stranger. Me and my dad are going to see D4 through to the end together regardless of what ends up happening; We're both just hoping there's a cow level :) 🐄

[@danielkelsosmith]

Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Disney. Companies we all know, and used to love. They are all being destroyed by corporate greed, and they will all suffer the same fate.

[@sn5301679]

Forgot Bungie? With how destiny 2 monetized.

[@vodkarage8227]

Not just corporate greed but by woke policies, and kids these days coming out of college being taught what to think instead of how to think.

[@TheNemesis432]

The same fate? You mean keep getting away with it and making bank?

[@rikh8796]

⁠@@vodkarage8227 what a way to bring totally unrelated things into a Diablo 4 gaming topic. It’s just corporate greed, period.

[@Schmorgus]

Disney went woke, it has nothing to do with corporate greed :P

[@robhimself33]

No other game has ever made me feel more like a number, just a statistic. It felt like every design choice was made not with the intention of making the experience more enjoyable for the player, but to instead increase some metric like time played.

[@pcmagee1976]

Totally agree. Everything feels engineered and soulless.

[@ldeo6918]

Yeah man. That is definitely how it feels

[@weezer91101]

They forgot to build a game. It’s a Skinner box. Maybe not even that. Maybe it’s just an empty box.

[@seph8529]

Correct - the metric is how to drag out content with minimal effort for maximum profit. The itemization is SO bad and you spend all your time looking at badly customized items than playing the game. The sad part is these mistakes were so obvious and avoidable and they seem like they have no plans to correct them. They make games to scam players for their investors now - not to make good games.

[@pcmagee1976]

@@seph8529 and before it was released the community said over and again - itemisation.. D2 had excellent itemisation. All they had to do was base it on that and update for modern systems and players. I think the issues goes hand-in-hand with console-design “considerations”.

[@po3s_kyro947]

I remember all my friends that spent the money on this game, fighting tooth and nail about how it "Wasnt already dying already" or "wasnt going to die at all".. dont think ive heard a word from them about this game since probably 2 weeks after the launch😭🤣

[@randy5606]

I feel like a lot of the issues I had with it were flow issues. Like if you get a legendary instead of getting an item that gets used up on the next use it should be like an unlock you can use as much as you want plus it would cut down on item storage issues. The gameplay of it was very lackluster and they didn't keep the focus the story needed.

[@eddyram4932]

Crazy how D4 came only a couple months ago, but to me it feels like I stopped playing it over a year ago🤦‍♂️

[@airtec87]

Too many good games came out since, no reason to ever go back.

[@Tobichiii]

I mean i played it too. And ... it was and is a shit game. Next to no content. And no replayability at all.

[@Filipes737]

I couldnt even to finish the game, I stopped somewhere aroound lvl 35 with druid, it was so slow and boring. I am really ashamed of myself I spend 90 euro on this. Not because I lost the money, but because I supported this pathethic greedy company.

[@Tobichiii]

@@Filipes737 same. I really feel bad about spending that much money on a game that bad. Quite sure that myself and many others wont make that mistake again when it comes to buying anything Blizzard related.

[@pimcreemers6416]

@@Tobichiii Same here....I also fell for their trickery....and I do blame myself. I really wanted to believe what the devs were telling us and it was looking to go in the right direction. Alas.......it was not to be. I played it, got bored with it faster then I could have ever thought possible and now I treat it like I treated D3 in the beginning. I will not touch it until an exp pack comes out....and I will not buy that until I see positive news about it. @Blizzard Like many others, for me, D4 was your final try to make me believe you still had some shred left of wanting to actually produce a good game, you failed epically. I doubt I will buy any Blizzard game ever again, the way it looks now, I will be finding Tyreal's might in D2 LOD single player before I buy anything else from Blizzard :P

[@Areszvt]

A big issue is that the devs think fixing bugs and adding content/mechanics that were present in D3 is “seasonal content”.

[@codranine6054]

Yea. Like okay I got over d3’s deviation from d2. Then 4 just throwing everything from d3 out was like what the hell (pun intended). D4 could literally have released 11 years ago, nothing innovating whatsoever, it wasn’t longer it had half the pace. Made no sense.

[@petsbud2160]

Classic corporate soulless product. These people are factory video game makers. Have nothing to do with the pure passion of Blizzard past. It's over, as has been said many times

[@tonyng9]

I bet most of the people who worked on D3 left the company. 11 years is a long time in the gaming industry where people tend to go from game to game. Diablo 4 is full of some many amateur design decisions that you wonder if the team ever played an RPG before.

[@natev580]

I'd argue that having "seasonal content" is the problem in itself. I suppose even D2 had seasons in the form of ladders, but the game never changed and it's still doing very well after 23 years.

[@KYRSZ-gd1qt]

@@natev580 Because the grind is worth it to players. The items are amazing. The build variety is insane. The power you feel when you ROFL stomp through stuff you struggled through previous is a rush. Hell difficulty in D2 can be very cruel and unfair, but the challenge for a lot of people is satisfying.

[@Saerilia]

Did you forget to mention the nerf to fun in other ways other than how fast you could level up? What about some of the later struggling classes before the season even got released, like Sorcerers getting blown up instantly, and the fix that came out was a nerf to all defence and cooldown reduction.

[@thepickle2535]

I played every release of Diablo 4...and I never got to level 30. I was bored before even finishing the game once. Something I've never done before.

[@CYMainA.I]

Sorry to ask, but how the game is doing nowadays? 😅

[@theotherjared9824]

In the early 2000s, when diablo 3 was in early development and under heavy executive meddling, many that were essentially the founders of the company tried to get control back by threatening to resign all at once if they don't get control back. The executives called their bluff and accepted those resignations. This incident was a sign that things weren't right at home even all those years ago.

[@Francois424]

D3 sucked as a result too. Thankfully for Blizzard many other players liked it. They are not so lucky this time with D4

[@MexxProtect]

@@Francois424for someone who grew up with D2 and LoD, D3 was a kick in the nuts..

[@deterfaktiskharitsoppay8660]

@@MexxProtect I grew up with D2/LoD and I really liked D3. D4 on the other hand, not so much. I played to lvl 30 and then I just stopped playing.

[@Paco3dArt]

Rest in peace Blizzard. May this be a clear and pristine example that when you put money, profit and greed on priority over customer experience and games, you get this. Thank you for all the good memories.

[@kylewindler4282]

Yes, obviously games need to be profitable. At the same time, investors don’t invest in something to stay at the same profit.

[@Paco3dArt]

@@kylewindler4282 yes, but at what expense? I shall never buy their products again.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

Make a good product and people will buy it and you'll get profit. Make a product for profit and it's more likely to be a crappy product and less people are likely to buy it.

[@PayThePiper247]

The biggest problem is microtransactions ruined all hopes of ever getting complete games along with live service. Those 2 are the reason we have games flopping left and right and devs like to blame the "toxic community" when it's their own terrible decisions.

[@Wigalot]

Why RIP Blizzard? They made insane money from D4 from all the pre-order morons.

[@hao316]

I realize it was over way back. When I made a silly joke in D2R about queue. It was lighthearted and silly. "Sorry can't purchase immortal because you're queue number 250." And then a moderator banned me from forum. In this industry when a employee decided to be yes man to leadership prioritizing profit over quality, and treating customers like garbage (just imagine how they treat their employees) it doesn't matter how good the product are, because your days are already numbered.

[@davidphillippe7656]

i miss the magic find and rune system from D2 it made me fill like i was treasure hunting or something and the treasure was the item i would build

[@Daniel91728]

Ever since Diablo Immortal we all knew where this franchise was headed.

[@matijatrajkovic6496]

Ever since Mists of Pandaria it was obvious where every Blizzard game/franchise was headed. Look at HS, OW, WoW, they're all shadows of what they used to be

[@llVIU]

to me it was a tale tail sign when they stopped updating diablo 2. They threw that game in the bin same way they just "lost" the code to diablo 1 and never even bothered to sell their own iconic game anymore. But all of a sudden they were faking and acting like "uh oh but we actually DO care about muh diablo 1 2, see? Diablo 3, resurrected!" no, it was just a cash grab scheme to profit off nostalgia. You know who cared about diablo 1 2? The fans who made FREE mods for those games. D1 belzebub, d2se, did we ever get our promised mod support for d2r? No. F off. The nail in the coffin was in d3 on season 28, 30 min que waiting times, guaranteed lag spikes that killed the entire team by using the meta "tal rasha" build, inexcusable and unplayable. Nothing beats personal experience and I've experienced it over the years. Oh let's not forget wc3 refunded or their bitterness with dota, then making a new eula "all your maps are belong to us". This is what career managers do to a company.

[@Swordsage]

I knew it was heading this way since Diablo 3.

[@Astares9]

@@matijatrajkovic6496 I'd argue Cataclysm was that point

[@jamesallan5280]

Diablo Immortal is actually really cool and they actually give us new content and bug fixes 😅

[@Rarazan]

the biggest problem with blizzard is that they hate or almost hate their player base and ignore 99% of feedback, it's in every their game

[@triadwarfare]

They think most players' feedback is useless.

[@Rarazan]

@@triadwarfare nah its bizzard standard, blizzard just milk fanboys at first and when people see that they don't care and leave they start fixing stuff

[@HahsJeje]

They dont hate their players, they think their players are stupid. And who can blame them ? They are right. They still make a shit ton of money of people who still support and defend blizzard.

[@Luckmorne]

With some minor exceptions (e.g. account wide reputation) - they have gone out of their way the past 2 years or so to make a WoW in particular a much better and player friendly game to play. The Diablo team needs to get their sht together.

[@v2micca]

And while that feedback might be conducive to a better overall gaming experience, what Blizzard Activision does instead generally make them more in profit margins. So, not really a surprise how their decision making process goes down.

[@31469jdog]

What is the music being played at 2:08 ?

[@Nightmare-fs4bi]

I just started playing again and can’t say I have any issues with it. Having a find a party feature in game would be nice.

[@JUDOCON11]

‘You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…’ Blizzard in a nutshell.

[@Bunuba]

"Do you guys not have phones??" should be written in stone, remembered forever as blizzards legacy. Words to heed by.

[@ianwestc]

Poor guy. He was handed a shit sandwich and had to feed that to the audience.

[@yurikendal4868]

​@@ianwestchis response was his own

[@ianwestc]

@@yurikendal4868 well sure, but he had knowledge of things that he was not allowed to discuss with the audience... Such as the development of Diablo 4. Everyone was hoping to hear that announcement, and then D4 was shelved for a reworking. His talk was originally supposed to be a minor announcement, and let's face it, people wouldn't have had nearly as much of a problem with the Diablo Immortal announcement if it came on the heels of a D4 reveal. Immortal is really supposed to bridge the gap between D3 and D4, and then Wyatt had to go out there and pretend that it was really the replacement for d4. Sure, the crack about phones was a little dumb, but He was given a shit job.

[@heyj64]

They could carve it into Lilith's tombstone

[@crackernipple6020]

"You think you do, but you dont" is anothrr one

[@jasonvolkman5977]

This is such tripe. The game has sold over 10 million copies and now has Game Pass bolstering its player base. I’d love to know the publisher or developer that would consider ten million copies sold a tragedy, cause ultimately that’s all of their biggest concern is sales to stay in business.

[@vois]

I felt like I was grinding endlessly. My brain turned to rott.

[@DanijelJames]

I was wondering why I haven’t heard much about Diablo IV since it released. I’ve played the Diablo series since I was a kid…hearing all this breaks my heart. 💔

[@marspl]

Same

[@nickthompson1812]

I prefer to just pretend new installments don’t exist. Diablo 3 is where the series finalized for me. I loved Diablo and won’t let the new installments that get put out for investor expectations ruin the series for me.

[@BoneMachineMUC]

+1 here, exactly

[@adambane1719]

Go outside !

[@FighteroftheNightman]

This is what people get for trusting blizzard still. I have no sympathy for people that wasted money on it. People need to stop giving blizzard money. Let them die for being a shitty company.

[@lonestarawesomenauts5595]

the biggest problem was that after a certain point, the leveling took so long that it was no longer fun. at some point, all the quests were done, and you just felt like you were in a cage, grinding the dungeon with the most XP over and over again.

[@z0ned27]

I just dont like many abilitie designs they just look boring af. In D3 the way the Monsters died this animation was amazing and the look of the abilities

[@Gabosh8]

You're supposed to grind in an arpg. They fucked up because there was nothing fun to grind for besides exp for lvl 100 so who gives af.

[@an-cx1ho]

but thats just like diablo 1

[@yogavindaloo]

So true. It just became so super boring.

[@nonyabusiness6879]

My biggest problem was the internet only play. F that.

[@angelofdestruction8914]

Ive never fought a world boss alone, theres always a huge crowd and i still play every day

[@Custard_Pie]

Is this “huge crowd” in the room with us?

[@vulcan4d]

Game companies should remain small. When they get too big, greed takes over and the magic that made them special is gone. I remember the Diablo4 mobile announcement, there is no single moment in history more apparent that a gane dev got disconnected from their gamers.....fail!

[@templar23]

I just love the fact that Activision(blizzard) has an actual goblin as a CEO. Like, they didn't need to animate Gollum for LOTR, the they could have just used that guy.

[@Idolhands360]

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks. I'm sure J. K. Rowling agrees with you too! He sure is clutching his hands at 10:35, must smell some change in someone's pocket. He's literally the happy merchant meme.

[@wisherevenshade4059]

@@Idolhands360 O-Y -V-E-Y

[@ADHD-lr8qc]

@@Idolhands360 what are you on did you comment on the wrong comment??

[@USS_Liberty_never_forget]

Thanks interesting!

[@CobaltContrast]

Thank you for calling it Activision

[@KmanK887]

Lack of end game content killed it for me. I leveled my eternal character to 79 then started the season character. I distinctively remember thinking, “you know what, I just don’t enjoy playing this game anymore.” I have not played D4 since, and that was within couple weeks of season 1 launch.

[@Imevul]

Lack of stash space did it for me. Had to fill up all character slots with bank alts, and even then it was not enough.

[@enomiellanidrac9137]

"The biggest disappointment in gaming history" Whoa hold on, there is way too many contender for that title. First of all there wasn't even that much expectation to begin with, way before D4 released Blizzard fall from grace was accepted as a fact and if indeed there was this faint hope that this game would be the company's way to redemption I don't think we can say expectation were that high. Compare this to Cyberpunk 2077 that rode the hype train to outer space before coming down crashing on release. I think something like this qualify better as for such a superlative distinction.

[@XXLBretzel]

Biggest disapointment in gaming history. Oh "Spore" you mean.

[@zmss8537]

cyberpunk was the most hyped game in history period, it even out matched GTA

[@AbhorashKenpachi]

i find it sad that nobody talks about that there are no lore pages ingame or replay books you found.

[@ploopploop]

The amount of great things they have created and the amount of great things they are destroying is simply mesmerizing.

[@Rikimkigsck]

Is Activision responsible for this?

[@nickgir]

@@Rikimkigsck It's who they're hiring.

[@Captain1nsaneo]

@@Rikimkigsck Yes. And I called it back when they were first bought. Activision had a terrible reputation pretty much from the get-go and Blizzard just had a really long way to fall to make it apparent. Bobby's core motivation has been making money which was clearly apparent even in the earliest stories about how he became CEO. He takes successful IPs and studios then squeezes them to maximize profit at the cost of long term health which makes their revenue numbers look great during times when the market is closing watching them which increases Activision's stock price. Never mind it's built on sand; Bobby isn't interested in becoming rich slowly.

[@2bdaqueen268]

Blizzard/Activision in a nutshell, they once made good stuff but end up completely destroying it at one point or another

[@Stravioska]

​@@mrjayboo4842you can like somenthing bad man, there is no need to make excuses to make you feel better

[@domb.1522]

Guy’s right. “Appreciate what was and stop holding out hope it will ever come back.” These people have nothing but greed in their hearts. Don’t count on them to keep you entertained.

[@bojanvukobradovic2504]

😂😂😂😂all US and western companies are running by greed 😂😂😂 That's western dream 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bojanvukobradovic2504]

😂😂😂😂all US and western companies are running by greed 😂😂😂 That's western dream 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mattcooper1664]

I like but we can all entertain ourselves if we put our minds to it. I also agree that the guy is right

[@trentl3492]

I mean, what did we expect from a merge with Activision, the company that basically rules "gambling" for in game stuff.

[@domb.1522]

@@trentl3492 very true. Just look at codm, lmao

[@Sashimiburger]

This aged well.

[@gorlab9549]

Once the campaign was done, after about a week. I had no reason to play the game any further.

[@Sabbathtage]

Funny, I didn't even think about it but when you brought up Baldur's Gate 3 I realized that me and everyone know that was into Diablo IV has switched to BG3. One of the biggest attraction wasn't just what they had but what they didn't have: No micro-transactions or battle passes or game play time sinks like endless grinding. You just get the game and play. This is rare in games today, especially any kind of RPG. Larian now reminds me of what I used to love about Blizzard.

[@peterk2735]

Ironically Larian’s first RPG, Divine Divinity was heavily influenced by Diablo, following D2:LOD’s release a year later in 2002. I played the shit out of both games as a kid and loved them. Both are unapologetically hard by modern standards, but Larian stayed true to their core audience and kept the same dev team more or less. Blizzard turned corporate and lost their touch with the players…

[@DM-bv9uh]

Larian for the win, if you haven't played Divinity of Sin 2, play it.

[@EcoBeast-ip3ky]

I did the same thing and jumped to BG3 but got bored of the complexities by act 3. I just got sick of looking up videos on how to do things. Mind you, I play games to have fun. NOT to learn another job.

[@pablo8286]

​@@EcoBeast-ip3kycan you give examples without much spoilers? I'm deep into act 1 and haven't encountered any of that

[@EcoBeast-ip3ky]

@pablo8286 its more a personal thing. I just like fun games more than crazy complex games. I'm getting older and just rather have fun for a couple hours.

[@deimos_kyrie2419]

I feel like there is more heart put into this video then what was put in the game

[@TurboV8boi]

What sucks is there were a ton of talented, passionate people that worked on this game too. They didn't deserve it either. It was management's fault it turned out this way.

[@TAMPATLBLACK]

​@@TurboV8boithey might have been talented but they weren't the Blizzard/Diablo core that knows from making the other games what the public wants and expects and have learned from previous blunders. A shame most are long gone from the company

[@jjay350]

I'm sure this creator has more passion for gaming than Blizzard's present staff combined.

[@DaveSwart]

10:33 - it doesn’t take a financial wizard to determine which had a larger impact. Unless they were announced on the same day.

[@daotpeke]

Diablo 2 resurrected felt more like the real diablo 4

[@HibikoDaishi]

I especially loved the announcement that blizzard recognized that resistances didn't work at launch however they weren't going to fix them until season 2 and yet season 1 launch with some of its unique mechanic affecting resistances that still didn't work and weren't going to work for the entire season. Really summarized for me how out of touch development was with the community

[@MorionAikanaro]

they didnt say they dont work. they said they dont work how they want them to. Someone decide making them multiplicitave instead of additive was the way to go. lol

[@gameburn178]

They were able, financially, to build a game over 4 or 5 years -- so lots of money then. Then they got our billion dollars a lot of it pre-order -- so lots of new money then. How could they not afford to fix the obvious issues super quick? They just don't care. Which is why I have little hope for the game. I may go back next year, but really they lost a lot of us for a long time if not forever.

[@ReelSpider]

THIS! This right HERE! READ THIS DEVS!

[@baabuhbooee]

Its sad that a lot of gaming companies now have shifted from "Making games for everyone to enjoy" to "making games everyone can spend money on". Greed is the puppeteer behind the strings every time a game feels soulless and microtransaction ridden.

[@roboteen]

If people didn't buy those games, those companies wouldn't produce those games. Customers are the puppeteers of bad games, the company is just doing the best thing for their bottom line.

[@Slick-666]

Capitalism shows its ass yet again

[@2SaltyRecipes]

Because it works. Too many idiots are spending money and don't care.

[@ryanl8933]

That's because the motive used to be, people who loved making games, making games. Now the motive is money. And money has never, and will never be a great motivator for intervention or creativity

[@LWT1331]

@@roboteenBingo

[@57Strudel]

"Malaise" is not pronounced the same way as "malice." Other than that, a good video.

[@SigHellion]

DiabloIV Season 2 was actually fun. Biggest complaint I have is that the “microupdates” sometimes interrupt gameplay and remove waypoints on the map, as well as disallow dungeon key activation.

[@mawhir]

In the 90s a gaming company is created by GAMERS that have passion to create something they want to play and enjoy. However, the marketing team is who gets credit for big sale numbers and who are promoted internally. Soon those making the decisions are based off of "how do we make more money" rather than "how do we create a kick ass game."

[@Megalodon1986]

Exactly.

[@dustinroberson1865]

Corporate greed. As I get older I see it everywhere. The company I work for used to be family owned. As soon as it was sold, many mindsets changed. The old owners made plenty of money and they were happy with it. The new owners needed to see profit gains every year. As a supervisor, I was constantly being asked what can we do to increase productivity or lower worker count. You find ways to increase productivity, you get a data boy and then a month later you are asked the same question. We have profit sharing goals. We meet or exceed our goal, the next year the bar moves and we need to meet or exceed a higher goal. The owners continue getting increased profits and the workers continue to get the same thing.

[@mirziyodm]

Capitalism in time kills everything it creates, that is it's inherent feature.

[@westrim]

Which has always been weird, because the answer to the first question is always the second question.

[@eneco3965]

It's a niche industry in the beginning, filled with passionate people. Then it gets more popular, those who don't care see that there's money to be made, and it all goes down from there on. That's what always happens.

[@urosjovanovic3142]

Once you focus on the money and not the customer experience, you lose it all. RIP Blizzard and thank you for everything you did.

[@Marc98338]

Well indeed. Old Blizzard has been long gone.

[@PublicWifi]

@@Marc98338 And for some reason people continually act surprised. But hey, that's why I wait and let other people buy the products I'm interested in. If a game is good - I'll have thousands of hours of video to review and it'll never cost me a dime.

[@Hamsterdamned]

Reminds me so much of overwatch..

[@Kiba825]

Pretty much this, it isn't even Blizzard anymore, just Activision wearing a Blizzard shell, cashing in before burning down the legendary legacy of Blizzard.

[@bulletking187]

Why are you thanking them for destroying what was once a beloved franchise

[@louisslater8292]

Yeah I think the biggest mistake they made was make it where you can't play offline

[@benitokiri]

I like the artwork, the soundtrack, environments, monsters, the aesthetic basically. I didn't really know all the drama behind the scenes until now :(

[@zauv7690]

Being almost 40 I grew up with the golden age of Blizzard games, these were the games that no other developer could even come close to. Watching this video has reminded me of those times and now Blizzard is just a tiny speck of what it used to be. It's sad to see what it has become.

[@r-ex2945]

This i have the same its such a shame

[@sly9263]

nothing good lasts forever- we got to enjoy warcraft 1, 2, 3, starcraft 1, diablo 1, 2 and world of warcraft classic

[@pizdamatii5001]

@@sly9263 don't forget about "the lost vikings" and "blackthorne", those were great games too! (i feel so old :))

[@Felix-dh9tl]

Atm I think from software makes awesome games and I hope that they keep it that way and not go blizzard way

[@KommandantKavu]

@@Felix-dh9tlnot even remotely the same kinds of games tho.

[@hydraman007]

RIP Blizzard. I'm happy I got to experience the good times.

[@Grumhead]

Yes, 15 years ago. It is dead for 15 years my bro.

[@OlovNordlund]

Amen brother!

[@johnnysworthout1640]

If you played war2 on kali, or Diablo 2 through the earlier ladder seasons, you sir, played in the good times.

[@Carewolf]

@@Grumhead Yeap, WoW killed them.

[@Grumhead]

@@Carewolf It was suicide. The blizzard corpse did go on and made videogames.

[@PickleJelly98]

This is what happen when you listen to the wide open mouth that feasts rather than listening to the hands that do the feeding. You go down. Real fast.

[@lindsaychambers]

Awww.. this makes me sad.. I played the first one on the original PlayStation.. we won’t talk about my age.. And I played the second one on PC.. I had so much fun playing those! One of my really good old high school buddies introduced me and we spent an entire summer kicking ass on PlayStation.. so much fun! We ran track and cross country.. and he was out with shin splints.. and I’m way slower than him anyways.. so we spent the summer running and playing video games.. that was one of my favorite summers..

[@dyne313]

Anybody who thought Activision/Blizzard wasn't going to be a disappointment hasn't been paying attention.

[@Hellwolf36]

Tell that to the Blizz apologists who still continue to shill money to them.

[@clwho4652]

Its shocking how few people pay attention to what is going on and how they only remember when Blizzard was good forgetting what it has become. After Diablo 4 came out I saw a guy on the train trying to get it to work on his Steam Deck. I wanted to (but didn't) say to him "Its a blizzard game, it will suck." Some people have to learn the hard way and many will then forget.

[@dyne313]

@@clwho4652 I guess it's true that most people aren't as terminally online as I am. But I doubt Diablo 5 will sell very well unless it's actually a great game. Blizzard is burning all their bridges for short term profits.

[@Axis.801]

@@dyne313well I mean not really because it’s publicly traded most the holdings companies and other investors that own it don’t care they will continue to use the same strategy of put out garbage make quick money then short their own stock when it’s stock tanking season most these gaming company investors do the same.

[@dyne313]

@@Axis.801 You cannot have nostalgia for bad games. Nobody is going to have Nostalgia for Diablo 4. Which is the only reason as many suckers bought this game in the first place. They have Nostalgia for the first 2 Diablo games. But those people have been burned, and younger people aren't going to be nostalgic for an awful game like Diablo 4.

[@wildwurfler2782]

Let me just say : Thank you Larian. If someone put the final nail in the cofinof a once beloved franchise and gaming company then let it be a worthy nail. And what a beautiful and wonderful nail you gave us with Baldur's Gate 3.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

Grinding Gear Games and Larian Games = Diablo 4's End Bosses. XD A la, Path of Exile and Path of Exile 2 for the ARPG. Baldur's Gate 3 for the RPG enjoyers.

[@rcblazer]

Don't forget Activison's response to Baldur's Gate 3, saying that we "Shouldn't expect this level of quality from games." They knew Diablo IV was going to suck before they released it, and that response is proof if you ask me.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

And that was the same with Microsoft. Seems like Activision-Blizzard is in Good hands with Microsoft's assholeness too! Bobby Koticks are in Microsoft too.@@rcblazer

[@user-eq2fp6jw4g]

@@rcblazer Technically that means = You should not expect we are letting you go out of paid DLC leash of releasing half as baked games based on mobile monetization scheme. Even Larian showed you that there is still true freedom out there.

[@Alecvitkov]

Completely right ! Push those money-grabbers of the cliff !

[@bishop420able]

Played D4 till lvl 30, then stopped because the entire time I was thinking how D2 and D3 were more fun and I should play those, so I did

[@rutyvenscherichel6838]

Had to watch this. Had a bug where my quests didndt save when i was playing duo. when i tried to go back to the earlier quest mind you i had like 50 to complete, they were all my exact level, so not only could i not do them now as a solo, i cant get any good exp/rewards from the quest I play in duo

[@MelGibsonsFist]

This was brilliant on Blizzards part. They made mad cash selling the game, then disappointed people so severely they don't need to spend any money on upkeep.

[@01hZ]

the main challenge with D4 is that gamer base is overgrown manchildren who will always find something to complain about

[@happyjonn9242]

they should have learned their lesson from Diablo 3.

[@MelGibsonsFist]

@@happyjonn9242 they being the consumers? I learned, I didn't buy D4. I've learned to always wait before buying Blizzard stuff. Maybe we'll see some improvement with Microsoft running things. One thing for sure, it can't get worse.

[@findantu]

Honestly I gave up hoping for this last year. And by night now I don't care

[@happyjonn9242]

@@01hZ how dare they complain that the game is overpriced, overhyped, lazy, boring and a cash grab, lol.

[@mizu7662]

Its truly awe inspiring how Blizzard managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with Diablo 4's updates.

[@calmdown9094]

defeated by 1 billion dollars in sales. tragic defeat

[@mizu7662]

@@calmdown9094 We both know that Blizzard was counting on people blowing money on microtransactions within the game to further boost profits. Which isn't going to happen if people realize the game sucks and stop playing it. Not to mention the impact it's going to have on the sales of future products.

[@calmdown9094]

@@mizu7662 the game was really great for the 200 hours we all put into it. well worth 60$. the microtransactions which are cosmetic only, aren't particularly aggressive and aren't showcased heavily. the "battle pass" provides substantial rewards and is cheap. the game was a great success and all future games blizzard makes will be a great success because they make great games, even if people like to complain about them.

[@matthewmabry1116]

what impact? if they announced diablo 5 tomorrow people would buy that shit in a sec.@@mizu7662

[@copenormcbrokelegsproperra2909]

@oregano8720Exactly, stability and consistency is what matters especially for investors of a company. While it may be nice your release launched and had a billion dollars in sales is quite a massive number, when outside parties and investors see that whatever numbers over the following quarters will be a fraction of that, it's a terrible look and lowers confidence in the company. You want a stable product that can generate solid returns and doesn't look like another bubble that's about to pop.

[@robsolf]

On a free steam weekend, there are 14k people playing, right now. 138k playing BG3.

[@AviStryfe-im9dv]

99.999% of people playing d4. Are doing it already thru battlenet. Steam analytics dont mean shit. Not saying the game is doing good… just dont think steam matters for shit on numbers.

[@nho2x113]

Played the free trial of the game on steam, it was so much fun. Its saddening to hear this.

[@Casualmetalfan]

What surprises me is that more people haven’t talked about the scaling that this game applies. Why would I be motivated to level up and find better items, if the monsters will just get stronger too? I loved the idea of being rushed to hell in Diablo 2, only to walk around fearing being one-shotted by a demon that was way too strong for me. It motivated me to want to play the game and improve my character. That’s completely gone…

[@joelleblanc923]

I agree, the scaling was what totally turned me off of this game. I never even finished the main story. It just felt like I was never getting stronger, which was especially frustrating when going back to areas I cleared at much earlier levels and still being in danger of dying.

[@wiegraf9009]

Ugh I hate games that do across the board scaling

[@te9591]

This is a good question for ALL level up games. For example, if all items and weapons just numerically increase along with the monsters, you're just on a numerical treadmill. There should be tact and strategy that unlocks at certain levels that's more paper, rock, scissors. Like full plate mail would hurt a rogues chance to sneak, but leather armor would not help a warrior tank quite as well. Or the shotgun wins CC, the sniper wins longe range, but the carbine wins medium range, all three are useful.

[@420rogerz]

THIS was a super dumb idea and I can't wrap my head around how they thought it was a good idea. Its the deciding factor that kept me from buying the game back in June,, which I'm thankful for now.

[@peterk2735]

What’s even worse for me is that because I did all the side quests and progressed through the story organically on tier 2, at one point the scaling stopped and that completely trivialised the later parts of the campaign for me because I was overlevelled. And then when I got to tier 3, I realised I couldn’t even play through the story again to get a challenging playthrough!

[@jamietardi-zp8zd]

I had a blast playing diablo 4 until about level 70 and then it just felt pointless. Its a shame the game had such promise.

[@TheComebackKids]

Nothing but a shame...

[@Truthseeker-iz3dj]

​@TheComebackKids Don't lose hope yet. I've been playing d3 season 29 and it's damn good. I just hope it doesn't take over 10 years to perfect d4. However d4 has a large department and a lot more commitment compared to d3 and hopefully the d3 team can pass on some good advise on what works and what doesn't which I am sure they doing already. My friend said to me yesterday, if they released d3 in the state it's in now with season 29, it would be a 95% rated game. D4s real release date was meant to be around season 3 start which is why we only getting features like leaderboards then, but I think it was released early due to negotiations with Microsoft and to try get more money.

[@ajaya653]

@@Truthseeker-iz3djwhat you said is true but they have had more than 10 years to work on the game like come on they should be building on from Diablo 3 but the game suffers from some of the same things that Diablo 3 suffered from.

[@kernoleary1394]

@Truthseeker-iz3dj let's be honest even d3 is extremely underwhelming in terms of things to actually do

[@dobiusla8281]

@@kernoleary1394 thank you. At least 1 rational beeing in here who doesnt repeat mindlessly the things other say. Imo d3 is even worse.

[@chrisrosenkreuz23]

I mean the fact that people still build themselves up to think companies have some sort of creed is just wild to me.

[@iandegiovani4703]

It really feels like there is very little game in this monetization platform.

[@TheComebackKids]

lol

[@wesestes5081]

This is why small game developers are doing so much better. Big names like EA, blizzard etc , are profit share based, not on quality of product.

[@kelblueskies3937]

and add in the woke factor now.

[@Robluex]

@@kelblueskies3937 What woke factor?

[@timotejlovrec9029]

this is not true ofcourse, this backlash now means nothing to blizzard, they already milked this cow, and now is time to move to the next big nostalgia driven release. They are small game developers because they are not doing better. Because this is what makes the most money.

[@adbrooks95]

​@timotejlovrec9029 I wouldn't call diablo 4 "nostalgia driven" but it is a big fail. Modern Warfare 3 is nostalgia driven for sure. Remastered old maps and make it feel like "old call of duty". Literally a cash grab.

[@joe6700]

@@kelblueskies3937 lol Baldur's Gate III is one of the biggest "woke" games of all time and its awesome for it.

[@AlkisGD]

I had no interest in D4, but a friend convinced me to play with him. We played the story, did the seasonal content, but grinding nightmare dungeons wasn't enjoyable, so we set the game aside until further notice.

[@allmightyjosh85]

Same

[@davidknoxii5834]

Same, I only bought it to play with my brother and almost immediately regretted it. We all quit playing. And probably won't be going back to any Blizzard games. It's time the greedy assholes take a major L

[@matts9669]

Same but I bought it n game shared a friend we both quit till later updates.

[@Brainjoy01]

just play POE at that point

[@hardboiled2987]

Who cares they still got your money lol. Youre not doing anything by putting the game aside. You helped them

[@fraser311]

The amount of hours I put in to D2 back in the day is staggering. D3 was meh, but when D4 came around, I was really pumped for the first several hours thinking, “man, they really nailed it”. Then when “end game” came around, I could barely stomach going back to it and I haven’t picked it up since.

[@oughv]

Exactly word for word my experiences.

[@baalzebub5000]

Did you pre order too. 🤮

[@Gopher286]

I don’t know why I spent $70 on Diablo 4. I wanted to enjoy it, and I don’t even mind the grind. What I do mind is the unbearable lag from the servers. I can’t even play one session without jumping across the screen or being pulled back in place while fragments of some fight are going down. How can so few players be online and there still be that much instability?

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

Two weeks and I was done. Tried to play a second character after I beat the game, but going from Necro to Barb felt like going from running to crawling my way through the game.

[@Industrious420]

which is hilarious cause Barb destroys Necro in every metric possible 🤣

[@sauloegito2]

Barbarian have more mobility. Bone Spear was heavily nerfed but it was miles ahead of any Barbarian builds. I've played only Barbarian but I have seen Necromancer doing absurd damage during pre-Season

[@clubelite861]

just need gear w movement % . mathematics my dear watson

[@abemartinez9623]

Barb is the worth play through

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

@@abemartinez9623 I should clarify: I’m sure Barb is fun, but a huge part of my experience was hampered by the repetitive and tedious nature of the game itself. Playing through the game twice was boring me to tears 😭

[@hiwebula]

I haven’t played in 2 months and he’s right. I literally saw only 1 person online. It’s crazy how dead it is

[@nsreturn1365]

i played on launhc felt bad, then 1 day after massive nerf patch, felt so bad i could not keep playing, havent touched the game since, this year has to many good bangers to waste your time on trash like this. i feel for the people who spent more than 10 hours in this shit game.

[@MafiosoDon21]

I got my for free with the purchase of a 4090 lol but I never went far in the game 😂

[@masonhugsan229]

bullshit. i play everyday and they are hundeds of players online

[@hiwebula]

@@masonhugsan229 game still dead

[@bac1308]

​@@masonhugsan229"Literally dozens of us!"

[@TrueRazarus]

IN GAMING HISTORY is the sentence that instantly tells you someone only played the game in question and a mix of WoW, Minecraft, Angry Birds, Flappybird and MOBAs / Battle Royal /CoD games. And thus knows very little what they are speaking of.

[@acidstorm001]

I never even made lvl 100 by the time I was bored and season 1 came out. I rolled a season character, but didn't even feel like trying to level a new character when my non-seasonal character wasn't even 100 yet. Just didn't make sense, and it got boring super fast. In the end, it was a waste of money. I won't be so quick to buy a new blizzard game anytime soon.

[@j-5087]

I remember in 2009 thinking that I couldn't wait for d3 to come out. Little did I know at the time that the best had already came and went Edit: thank you for my most liked comment, I didn't think it'd get more than 10 likes

[@Stravioska]

so true, F blizzard

[@gwell66v2AnimeReviews]

D3. I got in day 1 and sold a 90 dollar legendary drop in the first few week's. I made money on the game...and yet I still despised it FAST. The atmosphere, story, Saturday morning cartoon idiot villains, horrible progression, horrible drops (I know I got meeeeega lucky) and classic moments like game lead Jay Wilson saying "fuck that loser" about the og dev bc he had valid criticism? The forum was boiling with hate. Games have continued to be even MORE greedy, poorly released and scummy. Gamers don't hold these companies accountable

[@paulio7250]

Ah yes, d3. I grabbed my pre-order with my friend and rushed home to see an error message and unable to play offline :/

[@andrewbolding7365]

They couldn't even do d2 remake correctly lmao

[@lordshitpost31]

@@Stravioska Honestly it was Activision that ruined Blizzard, I've been playing Blizzard games since I can remember, Warcraft 1-2, Diablo 1-2, WoW, HoTS. The merge with Activision destroyed Blizzard.

[@Puggernuts]

No paladin/crusader at launch with a promise to purchase it at a later time is what made me avoid it. So sick of game companies selling us incomplete games then selling us the rest of them for more money.

[@brostenen]

Do true.... This was what I predicted, when DLC started to become a thing. That periode before they found out that they could charge money for it. It is the same back when World Of Warcraft were launched. First you buy the online only game, and then you had to freaking pay, in order to play the game you had bought. Like freaking WHAT??? 😳

[@nutty4356]

@@brostenen That is standard MMO monetization since the start of the MMO genre, How can you compare. WoW and games like Eve online were designed to last decades and a subscription platform was the only way to achieve constant development while making a profit but back in the heyday when Eve and WoW were first released it was great, monthly sub no need to buy DLC's etc, most of the player base was more than happy with this arrangement before developers started monetizing the holy crap out of us.

[@brostenen]

@@nutty4356 I am against buying the game, and then have pay in order to even play it. I am from a time were you bought a game and it was a complete game. Any extra levels, and you had the option of getting them for free. Because the makers had an expansion pack that were free to download. I have seen how it all have gone into a slide down, were it is now normal to pay for anything extra. The current state would start a giant outrage back in 1993.

[@Puggernuts]

@@brostenen Yea that is just insane, either charge a subscription or charge for the game. Doing both is blatantly greedy. That's why I liked guild wars back in the day, huge mmo that only charged for the game with no subscription.

[@brianmitchell4442]

​@@brostenenthen dont expect to ever play with other people online. Servers cost money to maintain. Multiplayer games require balance and updating. Hence the monthly subscription fee. Noone ever scammed anyone. It said a monthly subscription was required right on the box. It would be like buying a car and then expecting the maintenance to be free forever because "i paid for the car already".

[@n77mee]

I was lucky enough to play in the close beta and after a week I knew that I wouldn't buy the game at launch... unfortunately a friend didn't listen to me and gave it to me as a gift. All I hope now is when the expansion is released it will be 100% ready for the price they will ask for it

[@charless1145]

"You guys have phones, right?!"

[@gamingcuttz1699]

There is nothing blizzard can do for me to come back and play any of their games.

[@trucid2]

I'll come back if they start making good games again. Slim chance of that though.

[@gamingcuttz1699]

@@trucid2 I get it. But for years I keep waiting for something. It borderline scamming their player base.

[@evion234]

Borderline? They are 100% scamming their player base @@gamingcuttz1699

[@fb1767]

Another question that needs to be addressed: why the media coverage and review scores is so distant from actual player experience?

[@Puggernuts]

It's because the marketing is all the suits that run blizzard care about, sell as many copies as humanly possible before we realize that the game is shit.

[@petermusser1]

Its because the companies that run the app stores get a cut of all those in-app purchases and this one has been a cash cow. It serves them no purpose to let the negative reviews shine.

[@molotovovickow]

Journalists play the game only for a short while for work and then move on while players spend much more time with it.

[@richarddabkowski2896]

Because media coverage/scores don't play endgame. The story was fun, and roughly the first 60-70 levels are interesting. Once you get past that, the game is a crazy grind and super boring.

[@paddington1670]

corruption in the review world

[@travelingwestmusic5259]

Couldn't even get past the login counter after being forced to create a battlenet account (despite only intending to play single player). Created my charector, set to go then the endless wait began. Back to BG3 I went.

[@DKamps]

I spend over 10k hours in Warcraft 3 and was top 50 solo, won a couple of tournaments, finals in many tournaments. Have yet to buy Warcraft 3 Reforged. Spent many hours playing Diablo 1, Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 on console because its actually fun playing on console with a controller. No plans to buy Diablo 4.

[@CaptTragedy]

I hope this video gets more likes than D4 gets in it's daily player count.

[@TheComebackKids]

Thank you bro!

[@CaptTragedy]

@@TheComebackKids well made video! Loved it. Keep up the good work! 👍🏻

[@homelander2243]

99% is crazy. As a person who preordered this and uninstalled before season 1 I’m glad to see I haven’t missed anything and will be giving no more money to Blizzard.

[@enishiyukishiro6751]

that is ao easy to achieve though

[@frederickbottcher8019]

Chances are, your comment gets more likes than D4 has concurrent viewers on twitch.

[@1984Phalanx]

I have been playing blizzard games since the 90s and I'm saddened by their fall from grace. But I'm a middle aged man now, raising a family of my own. My youth is over and I have to accept that. RIP Blizzard, I will miss the good times we had. And thank you to the Devs who made Blizzard great in the first place.

[@TimsWildlife]

This is me as well 😅

[@rexvectum]

There's a book called stay a while and listen about blizzard north and the making of Diablo and Diablo 2. It's really interesting I liked it a lot.

[@rickrockreggae3719]

How did whacking creatures go in to late 90's? Its still the same now. You whack something, it drops an item and you can whack the next creature a little harder. And so on and so forth - gameplaywise nothing has changed.

[@masterlinktm]

"And thank you to the Devs who made Blizzard great in the first place." If you had actually been paying attention, you'd have noticed the majority of the people who were making the good things at blizzard left a long time ago.

[@peterk2735]

Can you imagine explaining to kids these days that you had to insert a “play disc” to even start the game? 😁

[@ksmurfer]

"do you guys not have phones?" - i would have walked out

[@sherifbadwy3383]

marketing leaders probably got promoted, game production leaders definitely fired