Get Ready For Winter: We Compare Winter Tires Against All-Terrain Tires With The Subaru Forester

[@rightlanehog3151]

Ryan, As a Canadian, I advise that all genuine winter tires be mounted on genuinely cheap steel wheels. Ideally, winter rims will be downsized to add more protective sidewall in peak pothole season. Save cash by saving the nice alloy rims for spring, summer and fall. For the record, my comment was not sponsored by the Cheap Steel Wheels Association or the Sidewall Society.🤩

[@James-il3tq]

With 1/2 the year on Alberta being winter I prefer factory aluminum rims in the winter (and a set of aftermarkets for summer), not to mention steel rims rust ultra quick in winter with road salt 😬

[@montechie]

@@James-il3tq I've seen this too where the corrosion on steelies can cause slow leaks on a dedicated set of winters.

[@maxtvtvtv8623]

As a Canadian, I can say you’re fine 99% of the time on just ATs if there’s road salt. IMO winter tires are much more necessary in a place like Colorado that does not use road salt and where you can easily encounter ice on a highway

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@montechie My cheap steel wheels get a quick spray of Krown Rustproofing every year. In their 18th winter, there is just a tiny bit of surface corrosion near the edge and no substantial air loss at all. 😁

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@maxtvtvtv8623 In Ontario I encounter ice on my driveway before I ever get to the roads. Beyond the measurable traction advantages (as seen in this video) I also avoid exposing my expensive alloys to the time of the year when potholes become craters.

[@hobbytake2845]

With over 20 years driving experience with Bridgestone Blizzaks I would say you’re preaching to the choir. No better way to keep our family safe in Wisconsin winters! Great video.

[@pnw8836]

Yes, yes, and yes. This is my first season running winter tires (blizzak ws90) on my Subaru and I have been mindblown by their performance, especially in deep snow and very icy conditions. They’re not even comparable to the all seasons I used to have, and are a huge step up from the geolander g015 A/T’s I’ve ran before.

[@kjw1603]

I'm running the g015's right now and have blizzaks on the side. Im torn because most of the road conditions in my area only require winters maybe 10-15% of the time, and its hard to put the winters on full time cause i would just wear them down on pavement. Keeping the AT's on for now, and swap em out for sketchy touring days.

[@LugsyTL]

@@kjw1603 what you wear down on winters, saves on the Geolandars , plus added safety. win win.

[@parvent3556]

@@kjw1603 The thing is, accidents happen 0.0001% of the time and sometimes people get hurt (or worse). I've been switching winters every year now since I became a father (yes, it made me more responsible), and I've never ever regretted it. The $ costs even out in the end, and I know I would never forgive myself is something bad happened just trying to 'save' a few bucks (which, in long run isn't even so). I drive a 2017 Forester and I've never felt safer in the winter. We can't control other drivers and how prepared they are in the challenging winter roads, but we can ensure that we are as safe as possible - and dedicated winter tires are part of it..BIG time!

[@apocalypse487]

I have those on my Subaru too. But we didn't get any snow this year. But they were great for the colder temperatures.

[@tdub25]

@@apocalypse487 lolzzzzz great for colder temps huh……😂😂

[@Sirgromulus]

Ryan always "goes the extra mile" when doing these videos! Kudos!

[@JRs-guitars]

For offroading with snow...I'll stick with 3 peak all terrains for the durability. For snow/ice-covered roads...go with the winter tires.

[@Travisj9935]

So you're going to swap only when it's icy out? 😂😂😂

[@du3223]

Glad to see this comparison. I have an Outback Wilderness that I picked up in early December. I live in Ottawa and have always gone with dedicated winter tires on my vehicles. I decided to risk it and just go with the 3-peak A/T tires on the Outback for this first winter. I was skeptical but I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. We've had close to record snowfall this winter (the snowbanks on my street are approaching 10ft high) and it's ploughed through no problem. We've also had temps down to -35C and the tires have stayed relatively supple compared to all seasons. They aren't quite as good in terms of stopping on slick ice and my wife's Crosstrek with proper snow tires is grippier but overall I've been impressed. In fact, i plan to keep them on next winter as well.

[@dhkitson1]

I have a 2023 Subaru Crosstrek. I have the Konig rims with Nokian, Hakkapeliitta factory studded snow tires. They are a fantastic setup but for one problem with the rims. In prolonged deep snow driving the open design of the rims tends to allow snow to pack in through the spokes which then gives you a quite severe imbalance situation once back on cleared roads and travelling at a higher rate of speed.

[@drteknical6571]

Especially if the car sits for a while after driving in the deep snow. The packed snow gets heated by the brakes, sags a bit, and then freezes into, as you say, a SEVERE imbalance. I was amazed the first time I drove my 2017 Forester Touring in deep snow and had to deal with the results. Fortunately, I got to work cleaning them out with a garden hose as soon as I saw what was about to happen. That, of course, made a nice skating rink...

[@jesseflores9087]

Never considered this. In life there really aren't solutions huh just compromises

[@Duckgrabber]

You WANT big open spokes. The snow will fall onto the rim from behind the wheel anyway. Driving will pack the snow hard from centripetal force. Then, the only way to get it off is to crawl under and scrape it off. With open spokes you can simply reach through and get it.

[@edsmith9855]

Nice test. Winter is over now, but I would love to see a test of a specific designed "all weather tire" like the Cross Climate 2 against the Wilderness all terrains.

[@xyz-md2mv]

Me too.

[@1337pickle]

For what it's worth I currently have Wintrac Pro's on my CT4-V BW this winter. It has been a game changer in terms of confidence while driving throughout the whole winter. The Wintrac Pro has been good during the dry cold days also. Hope Vredestein can expand their winter tire sizes.

[@ryaninwa5375]

I have been in love with my AT3Ws since I put them on. Wet, dry, hard launch, snow, they don't care.

[@musicisking]

Excellent work. I've heard a number of folks say they don't need winter tires because of their ATs. I always suspected dedicated winter tires would be the safer option in winter. And its pretty clear from this video that that is the case.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Exactly.

[@PG-ji6vq]

Wintrac tyres are underrated. I had a winter set which were brilliant. None of the big tyre tests include uphill traction. I remember towing a car stuck in snow on a steep hill. Total satistraction !

[@jimwile9313]

Put Vredesteins on my Prius of all things. Suddenly didn't have any problems with our PNW winters. I was amazed at the drive ability with them! Wonderful tires!

[@grahamrothphotography]

I recently grabbed a 2011 grand Cherokee Hemi, and put on some falken wildpeak AT3W with a snow rating, and they do amazing! Previously I’ve always used winter tires on past vehicles

[@chriscon8463]

My wife has a base-model ‘21 Forester & we put 4 studded-snow tires on it in the winter. It’s an absolute tank in the snow!

[@JPurvis10]

I have told people time and time again that it’s not about the vehicle, it’s about the tires. A 2WD car with winter tires can perform better than a 4WD with seasonal tires. It’s worth the investment if you live in a northern climate.

[@wildbill23c]

Snow tires with dedicated wheels, so its quick and easy to swap them at home would be the way to go for sure. Haven't had enough snow to need any winter tires the past few years though LOL.

[@chriscon8463]

It’s amazing how people that have never driven with dedicated snow tires on a FWD car will argue with you about it, too! In the winter, I’d rather drive a FWD car with 4 snow tires than an AWD car with all-seasons.

[@wildbill23c]

@@chriscon8463 People don't grasp the concept that just because they got that fancy 4x4 pickup or AWD crossover, etc. doesn't mean its going to do anything to help them stop, or control their vehicles...most drivers today are always on the verge of a major accident as they honestly don't have the driving skills at all, they rely 100% on all the electronic nannies to get them around town...they see all the TV commercials of AWD/4WD vehicles doing all these amazing things or what they deem as amazing and think they can jump in and that vehicle is going to perform exactly like those commercials...well their lack of driving skills, lack of physics education, and poor tire selection gets them in the ditch every snowstorm....some of them I swear really is every snowstorm.

[@chriscon8463]

@@wildbill23c Yes! Exactly! It’s crazy.

[@robbilton9006]

It would be great to compare with some all weather tires like the cross climate 2, Firestone weather grip or General Altimax 365s cuv as they're supposed to be closer to winters that ATs with 3 peak.

[@abufarhaz2306]

Absolutely amazing video, the vehicle, wheels, tires and the skid plate. It's like a complete incomparable package.

[@ChunderNFlow]

Thanks for doing these tests without using xmode, gives me confidence in the Forester AWD system. My base model doesn't have the xmode. Excellent comparison.

[@jklpino]

Awesome video! Just wished you would have tried all the trails with AT tires as well to see the difference on the hardest lines, where they start to fall short. I happen to be on my 2nd set of those same AT tires and I love them! Got 80K miles out of the 1st set and the 2nd set are doing just as well. I don’t do a lot of snow driving, and definitely no trail driving in the snow. But they have performed well in all conditions for me. Really good all around tire.

[@Backs4more]

I live in the highlands of Scotland and use the Wintracs on my Subaru Outback 6 months of the year. It was -10C last night, currently -7.8C just now. I live on an unclassified, hilly road that does not get ploughed or gritted and sees farm traffic. The snow tends to be rutted and packed, and if cold at night, very icey. The Wintracs are a really good tyre for those conditions. They also handle fresh snow well.

[@billblake4029]

I truly appreciate all of your time and efforts Sir. Thank you for all that do.

[@steveryder6733]

Absolutely love your content. Greatly impacted my recent car purchase and my desire to be off the beaten path. Not only road and track. Anyway, keep up the good work

[@eddiekk45]

Glad to know the Yokohama tires is all I need here in the northeast . I was worried I might need snows on my forester . But I’m not worried any more 👍

[@BelchevKalin]

We didn't have winter this season here in Bulgaria. It was too warm for snow most of the time, but when we have it it is a lot. Winter tyres are must in winter! Nothing else can manage ice and snow better. Fulstop.

[@Zanderthelab]

I love the Wilderness videos! KEEP THEM COMING!!

[@wanglee21]

I find if funny how people claime A/T are the same as snow/ice tires

[@wildbill23c]

Same people you see sitting in the ditches along the highways in their jacked up 4WD trucks. They got 4WD and AT tires, they can go as fast as they want...yes, usually, its the turning and stopping...rather trying to turn and trying to stop that they find out the hard way doesn't work out for them. That 4WD and AT tire may have gotten them going 75mph, but it won't help them stop or turn. AT tires suck for anything but backroads driving, their rubber compound isn't made for rain even, let alone snow/ice.

[@logantcooper6]

​@wildbill23c this isn't entirely true. Lots of A/T tires are 3 peak mountain snow rated meaning you get some guaranteed baseline performance in snow.

[@BBQDad463]

Thank you for this video. The difference in performance between the two sets of tires was obvious; however, the Forester did very well with just the stock tires on it. Given the Winters we experience here in Southwestern Pennsylvania, USA, my 2023 Forester Wilderness may not get Winter tires. Maybe I will invest in a set of high-quality chains, in case we get that once-in-a-great-while severe snowstorm.

[@andrewmalchow6505]

You said it’s cold at 29 degrees. As a Minnesotan, that a nice warm day after the cold spell broke.

[@alehax27]

The difference I’ve noticed between my falken wildpeaks and true winter tires is in stopping. The wildpeaks do well enough

[@bobw9297]

The cheapest snow tires are better than the most expensive all terrain tires .

[@Zanderthelab]

For some people maybe

[@ChrisParayno]

Accurate

[@kwstaspapadopoulos2689]

Great video! it s good to have those kind of presentations for things that are very useful in every day living with a car! i am from Greece, i am using vredesteins as winter tires in a front wheel drive car and are very very good!but once again, i am amazed from how good this Subaru performs in such conditions! once again, very good video, well done!!

[@unclej3910]

Where I live in the mountains of Colorado, on most days, every third car you see is a Subaru. There is a reason why, Subarus are one of the best in snowy conditions if not the best. Their symmetrical all wheel drive has been perfected.

[@jacobshort5378]

I have a 19 compass with Maxxis Razr AT's. I would LOVE to bring for a test with them. In my area on the snow/ice they have been amazing. The muddy places (though not extreme) they have performed awesome as well. A test on your course would be a fun.

[@brandonb.5304]

I have the same Geolander A/Ts on my Crosstrek, and I've been contemplating getting dedicated winter tires for a few years now, but where I live we only get snow and icy conditions maybe a few days out of the year. It's difficult to justify a purchase of nearly a thousand bucks to only need them at most a week out of the year. I guess if I purchased them it'd motivate me to drive up to the mountains more often in winter, but it's still a big expense that you'll only need a very limited time--and when the A/Ts do a good enough job in most of the conditions I see.

[@williamlayng9725]

I thought this was going to be a shootout between a set of real all-terrain tires vs. winter tires, not the crappy OEM So-called all-terrain tires vs. winter tires. My friend had a Forester with those Geolander tires, and he quickly got rid of the tires because they were terrible on any driving service! Not a bad shootout, because it really showed the reason why The Wilderness Forester I buy shortly down the road is not rolling off the lot with the OEM tires on it!

[@rampar77]

We had few days of snow in the south. My AWD SUV is equipped with Michelin Defender. They are comparable to 3 peak Falken All Terrain, and I had no problem driving on 4 inch snow. I just couldn't see putting All Terrain on my luxury SUV.

[@isaiasizquierdo3369]

Great Video.

[@jimnevin763]

Ryan, (A) do us all a favor and next time test the “good” tires first so there isn’t a plowed road in the way of a fair test, (2) I believe that by providing you a set of tires and wheels for your test, Vredestein/Tire Rack qualify as a sponsor, (F) It’s easy to tell that you worked hard putting this test together and I appreciate it. In the end the Subaru made out as the winner.

[@drivingsports]

That is why we did two hills with the winter tires that were “virgin” runs. But I see your point. Thanks for watching.

[@marksgoogle4360]

Firestone destination ATS out perform most for winter why I used them for my last 3 sets now. Their tread is designed for it unlike many other ATs

[@EZapar]

Hakki 1s would crush all seasons. :) A good dedicated snow tire always rules in snow. Cool vid Ryan.

[@Wes147]

Have the same vehicle, live in Kansas so the Geolanders worked great for city and country roads but we had a mild winter, worked well for Colorado but there were a couple times wished I had some more aggressive winter tires, if I were in a place with snow on the ground for more than a week I’d invest in some winters

[@bikerman6907]

The best friction winter tire is by far Nokian but still LIGHT YEARS behind studded winter tires, Michelin Ice North 4 with 230 studs!! is the best on snow/ice ahead of Nokian 10👍

[@wildbill23c]

Studded tires are great if you just drive on ice all the time, but you end up wearing them out between storms, at least thats what happens here in southern Idaho LOL. Haven't had enough snow to need snow tires for the past several years....I'd just get a set of non-studded winter tires myself....but in higher altitudes where the snow piles up enough that you get areas with ice and packed snow the studs would be good, but most times the roads are treated with salt so no studs needed, just a savings account to replace your rotted out car every couple years.

[@bikerman6907]

@@wildbill23c agree if you drive mostly on wet n salted roads. Where I live, studded tires is a no brainer for good grip on ice and hard packed snow. Cheers from me in Norway

[@wildbill23c]

@@bikerman6907 Definitely depends on where you live. Where I'm at in Idaho, we haven't had enough measurable snow for the past 6 years to even need a snow tire of any sort. I wouldn't go with studs as they seem to just wear off as the roads are clear 99% of the time, unless you leave for work really early in the morning or get home really late at night before the roads are plowed/treated with deicer....All seasons work just fine 99% of the time in my area.

[@bikerman6907]

@@wildbill23c tru dat. We have had 35 snowfalls this winter season and 5-6 periodes with weather change with Rain and wind in between which has made it really icy to say the least!! So I am happy for my Studded Nokian 9 mounted on a Subaru XV/Crosstrek👍😊

[@NikolayKadnikov]

always wondered why you ride on summer tires in winter, even alpine tires give a big advantage on snow, but if you take the Scandinavian type of tires the difference will be incredible especially on ice.

[@JDavid454]

Excellent video thanks Ryan, will wait still I visit Canada😀 👍

[@oleksandrkushnirchuk1466]

Thank you, for yours professional video’s!

[@glennzanotti3346]

Winter tires are fine if yu can afford two sets of wheels and tires, and can switch them out when the weather changes. If all you have are winter tires, be prepared to replace them often, because they will wear out rapidly in the summer on dry pavement. All four of my Audis with quattro AWD did just fine in snow on all-season tires. Even in the video, the all-season (all-terrain???) tires seemed to get up the hill without much effort. I credit Subaru for that. Like Audi, Subaru has a great AWD system.

[@Travisj9935]

Good At's and Awd/4X4 are good enough. If you have Fwd or Rwd I could see going with a dedicated snow tire. But that's just my 30 years of Midwest winter driving experience.

[@Eightball2516]

I run 3 peak snow Flake tires on my truck I love them never any issues my truck just grips in the ice and snow .

[@cyberrednec]

I wonder how it would drive comparing ATs against stock? like if you fitted KO2s.

[@davidmahan4160]

An excellent video, thanks for sharing. 👍

[@denisleblanc4506]

I have a set of Falken Wildpeaks AT3W for my FJ Cruiser and can say they are not even close to the grip on snow and ice that I get with my Nokian Hakka...7 SUV studded winter tires have. I got the Falken for a summer-fall late hunting tire and they work fine for that. But for winter I switch to the Nokians. I hate the Nokians on pavement though. They sound as if you're dragging a cat at low speed. It drives me crazy and I take them off as soon as I can. Remember it isn't always about taking off and going through stuff. You have to be able to stop on packed snow or ice as quickly as the guy in front of you. He may have very good snow tires. Don't skimp on winter tires, not worth the risk. I drove one winter on AT tires with the FJ and it was terrible. I spent most of the winter in 4Hi just to get going or braking. The next winter with the Nokian was great and the only time I put it in 4Hi was during snow storm with 6 inches or more on the ground. In fact it was easier to get around in 2Hi on ice and snow pack because the electronic nannies worked so much better than with the AT tires. 4Hi would turn off VSC and wasn't as stable as 2Hi with the Nokians, Unbelievable!

[@danieljackson-woods6225]

I upgraded to the toyo open country AT3s the day after I bought my 2022 ob wilderness, the oem tires just didn't hold up to ylthe trails I like to do.

[@inthewoods6111]

Good stuff Ryan. You are making me into a fan of the Subaru Wilderness.

[@Holtenstein]

This topic brings me to ask, what scan tool would you guys recommend for changing your tires or even just a tire rotation? Mr.subaru's recommended scan tool is about $500-1000. I did my first tire rotation myself and the Forester dash went nuts. Then Subaru wanted to charge me for the TPMS reset. I find making an appointment at being charged for tire rotation/ tire pressure monitoring system reset is unacceptable. I would rather do this myself. So any recommendations would be awesome!

[@damnjustassignmeone]

I grew up in a snowy part of Michigan, but I can’t recall anyone who ever switched to winter tires. Odd.

[@THE______TRUTH]

Can you do one that uses more aggressive all terrain tires on an offroad test?

[@lilpeppa117G]

I found that even with worse tires the Subaru performance was still better

[@wildbill23c]

Would have been nice if he had say a Toyota Highlander or other crossover to compare the tires VS AWD system...I think Subaru's AWD is still superior, and I am not a Subaru fan, just watching Ryan's videos though might change my mind.

[@jdomsmith]

How much better would studded tires be?

[@AH-bm4ts]

We have potholes year-round in Pennsylvania.

[@RollerCoasterLineProductions]

Looks like soooooooo much fun!

[@kohort1]

I wonder if cross climates 2 are closer to the AT or these winter tires.

[@CamboTriton]

Best car channel!

[@andrewb325]

Awesome setup.

[@drteknical6571]

Here in NC, we have not had "winter" this year. However, you on the west coast have gotten all of your winter, all of OUR winter, and apparently, all of somebody else's winter as well. PLEASE take the Subaru out into some really serious deep snow and show us what it can do with the standard AT 3 peak tires as well as these winter tires. Those of us viewers on the east coast thank you in advance!

[@wilco1v]

plz try this with the new yokohama geolander cv 4s g061

[@Justforfun-ek7et]

I am torn, I love this wilderness forester and the WRX. I don’t know which one I want more 😂

[@drivingsports]

Get both.

[@damien7881]

COULD YOU PLEASE 🙏 DO THE JEEP COMPASS TRAILHAWK VS TRD RAV4 ON THIS TEST SINCE THERE SSOO CLOSE (Thank you in advance)

[@trailrunnah8886]

Ryan, very impressive, both the car and the winter tires. Question: for all around use, what do you like driving more, this Forester or your old 4Runner?

[@wildbill23c]

Forester gets 2x the fuel economy than a 4Runner ever would...and the Forester is much more comfortable.

[@kylewhisman]

Is that your house on the background? If so awesome location

[@drivingsports]

Nope. I live in the green part of the state.

[@AP-jl2lv]

"Here we have a proper winter tire" >its a Vredestein review immediately discarded

[@Shoppersshopping]

3 peak all terrain tires might not be as good as winter tires but it is probably much better to have them than to have all terrain or mud terrain without 3 peak in icy conditions?

[@brianb5505]

I was trying to purchase these wheels and for some reason discount tire shows they don’t fit on their site. Is there something different between the 2022-2024 wheel size

[@ChrisParayno]

Simple answer: yes

[@timflaherty2731]

How do these winter tires do on dry pavement? I am thinking of just putting them on when winter "starts" and leaving them on for the whole winter. Is that a bad idea?

[@larrylocklar5351]

The winter tires were they the same size as the factory tires?

[@kartboarder22g17]

Always torque those lugs at least once you hit the real road.

[@loukasantoniou8054]

what do you do thpugh when you wanna go to a pretty rough off road coarse that has deep snow and ice. Wont the snow tires be prone to puncture on a pointy rock or something?

[@dirtycommtroop]

3 peak rated all-terrains are the best tire IMO. They also do well on wet pavement. My personal favorite are the Toyo Open Country AT3s

[@brads3620]

A Wilderness for $33,495? Did I hear that right? I'd buy one right now for that price, way higher by me.

[@coconutlens]

sold!!!

[@robn.5932]

So this is probably a stupid question but if I buy winter tires and just mount on cheap wheels do I need to buy an OEM TPMS and calibrate it? Or does any sensor work?

[@drivingsports]

Any TPMS should do. The tire shop can sync them up.

[@TheNotimprezed]

Yeah I think the 3 peak rating on AT is useless. A tire needs to only accelerate 10% better vs an all season to be 3 peak rated. I'm not even sure what all season is the test standard or how up to date it is in terms of tire tech. And other than the upfront cost, it doesn't cost more to run 2 sets of wheels/tires and will actually save you money. You will easily get 2 or more summers out of your main tires, so you will actually buy fewer tires over the life of the vehicle, not to mention money saved in potential accident avoidance or being towed out of a ditch. Plus you will recoup some if not all of the cost of the wheels when you resell them. On a side note when changing tires in unsafe conditions (no jack stands here) put the tire you take off under the car nearest to where you are working. If the jack fails and the car drops it will at least drop and stop on the wheel instead of potentially falling on you. Not that you are likely to be under the car while changing a tire but it may also save your brake rotor and hub, which of they fall and break thr vehicle is now disabled.

[@ALMX5DP]

I find them perfect for those who need only occasional snow capability, especially if paired with a true all terrain that can get through some other moderately gnarly conditions. Obviously if you have lots of seasonal snow and ice or go often to the mountains getting a dedicated set of winter tires is appropriate. I run ATs on my truck year round and the other half swaps out all seasons for Blizzaks on the hot hatch in the winter.

[@wildbill23c]

The 3 peak rating just means the tire is capable of handling deep snow, it has nothing to do with traction in icy conditions...this is one misconception so many people have somehow thought up.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@wildbill23c not sure who you are responding to but the 3PMSF rating is based on a medium packed snow acceleration test (at least for NA purposes, I think Europe has a more stringent test for the same symbol) That does not however mean they are only good for that and are generally designed to perform well enough in a variety of mild snow and ice conditions (enough so that they often meet state and federal requirements to be used when areas call for chains or traction/winter rated tires).

[@TheNotimprezed]

@@wildbill23c it is only reference to acceleration on medium packed snow - a 10% improvement vs a reference all season. You are correct is has nothing to due with ice traction, but it also has nothing to do with deep snow traction either. This goes back to my original post with the rating becoming useless as it pops up on AT and AS tires. Give me a dedicated winter tire, with proper compound, tread and siping anyday over any of these other 3 peak tire as they are designed with braking and corning in mind as well, not simply passing a test with a low bar.

[@alexandervolkov7053]

Райн спасибо добра Лайк поддержку

[@upstatebernie4827]

Winter tires better on ice and snow than non-winter tires, fascinating...

[@Kichoman1983]

I got the Goodyear Assurance AT back in December and it handled the Vancouver snow perfectly fine around town and even up on Cypress Mountain. I say AT is plenty good for getting around the city especially for people who don’t want to keep another set of winter wheels.

[@kelsey809]

Cool! 😊👍🏼

[@bradbaraniuk4085]

never heard of vredestien tires.maybe dont have them here in canada.

[@lawrencemorrison2227]

Torque wrench mia?

[@tonyimpala7584]

Where exactly did you place the jack on the front skid plate?

[@drivingsports]

Between the rear bolt points with a 2-ft 2x4 to distribute force.

[@LK-ks3dk]

Where are you driving? It looks like Utah.

[@drivingsports]

Eastern Washington.

[@dundee1080]

Next video: Do we need tyres at all?

[@wildbill23c]

Tracks would be cool LOL.

[@boost331]

I guess for crazy off roading in the snow I can understand dedicated winter tires. I truly find it comical the amount of people driving around city streets with AWD or 4x4 AND full blow winter tires. I have driven 2wd (both FWD and RWD) all my life using nothing but all season tires. I have a good 25 years worth of Chicago winters that way and not only get by, but typically pass the AWD vehicles doing 20 in the left labe with the hazard flashers on. Winter tires on a 2wd vehicle ... Sure I will give you that. On an AWD subaru, that makes me think you have some insecurity issues. Lol

[@kubi0461]

There's zero comparison. A winter tire retains a decent amount of traction even at sub zero temperatures on solid ice, especially in terms of braking. Although not all winter tires are equal and some are purely for plowed but packed/messy/iced roads and don't have the tread depth to do well in deep snow. But ever since the first time I tried blizzaks I can't ever see going through a winter without winter tires. It's simply too dramatic of a difference in overall stability in even the worst of conditions.

[@Artyomthewalrus]

Putting winter tires on nice rims? HERESY! Winter tires must be put on rusty steelies. Kidding of course, but it just seems unnatural to me.

[@wildbill23c]

I wouldn't use fancy wheels to mount snow tires either, but I'm going to assume the tire maker sent the wheels/tires as a set.

[@Mamo878]

Dude is driving the same track as before. Of course it will do better since all the snow has either been compacted or displaced.

[@drivingsports]

Watch the whole video.

[@dirkmcghee1604]

DeWalt impacts are hot garbage. Their newer stiff is better, but GD, what a garbage heritage. Just go with the king, Makita. King of everything, let's be honest.

[@albertatundra]

This test would have been more meaningful on a regular road.

[@Intel_8]

I’m definitely a Toyota truck guy but I have to admit I really like that Forester Wilderness in that particular green color.

[@-insert-]

Same. I'm constantly tempted to trade in my Tacoma OR for the Wilderness.

[@ryant939]

I was between a Tacoma TRD OR and the Wilderness. For the price and space, I couldn’t justify the Tacoma. The backseat is basically useless in the Tacoma, and having 2 large dogs the Wilderness is what I went with. The headroom also played a part as well, as being 6’4 the Tacoma was a bit more snug in fit.

[@-insert-]

@@ryant939 Any issues? Do you expect similar reliability?

[@ryant939]

No issues at all. And not concerned with reliability with the Subie.

[@jacksonrodabaugh9984]

I love that green color on the forester, do you know what it's called? Also those rims on the snow tires look really really nice👌🏼

[@TCobb47]

Autumn green metallic

[@montechie]

Thanks for doing the comparison! I'm sure it's difficult to set up tire comparisons, but definitely need more of these. So much info out there is based on a single study done in 2000. I would love to see a similar comparison on something like your Ranger with a true AT 3 peak like a AT3W, KO2, or ATX vs a Winter. LT ATs tend to have deeper lugs and better side knobs, but obviously not the center grip.

[@montechie]

Also, those Primal Racing skids look awesome! Makes me want to get a set on my Forester Touring even though I totally don't need them. 😉

[@brohammer]

tremor comes with 3 peak legit all terrains, general grabber

[@montechie]

@@brohammer Yep, that's what I was thinking, but couldn't remember if DL had replaced them on their Tremor. I've ran the GG ATX and it's a great tire year-round, and have had it on some gnarly roads in our Montana winters. It's also one of the few ATs (maybe only?) you can do a double column of studs on each side. Most ATs only allow a single column per side if they're even studdable.

[@Snafu2346]

I've driven on snow tires most of my life before I moved down south. I'd wouldn't go through winters without them. The worst snow tire is going to be immensely better than even the best all season. I've been pretty happy with, Michelins Xi2/3, Michelin Pilot Alpins, Hankook Icebear w300, Hankook iPikes, Yokohama Iceguard, IG20's, Blizzack WS-50, WS-60's, Blizzack DMZ3's and Nokian HakkleipeinnpiepkpiepkekkKKpkepkekekpklan. The predictability of snow tires even in ice make it worth every penny. The confidence it instills is untouchable unless you've tried them out yourself. Snow tires don't have to be that expensive, but if you live in a bad cold climate, they're worth it and then some. I was lucky enough that my job paid for my snow tires every winter so we could basically make it to work with little excuses. If there was a storm overnight I would go out in the middle of the night around 3am ish to drive around in fresh powder with the streets all to myself and I would have a blast. I moved down far enough south that there is no snow. There is a part of me that does miss driving in it because I found it fun. I don't miss the cold that much, but in a warm cozy vehicle, it was worth it. Also. I'm glad you brought attention that the way you where changing the wheels was the wrong way and dangerous. At least have one of the rims underneath if the trolley jack failed. Redundancy in safety is paramount. I've seen a leg destroyed by having a jack fail. Also while mounting, Star, Star, lower, star, circle torque. If I had mounted wheels on a hub the way you did I would have been fired from my old job. It did look like a hub centric ring suddenly appeared in red later on. I appreciate the great content and you are one of my favorite car channels.

[@nanocat4141]

yeah, the way he was changing it was pretty bad. Like you mentioned, the way he was mounting it was also all wrong. Besides everything else, not cross patterning could have easily led to shift and flex. more than likely it would in the long term. I suppose its okay for such a short term test, but in any normal situation it was pretty bad.