Get The Best Wireless Performance With VirtualdesktopXR Now! | Quest 3 & Pico 4 | MSFS Stress Test

[@AlainHesp]

FYI, a new beta version is available today (v1.29.5) Improved AV1 performance with AMD • Improved SSW quality on Quest 2, Pro and 3 • Added custom OpenXR runtime called VDXR on the PC side providing up to 10% improved performance • Added OpenXR runtime selection box in the Streamer window (Automatic, SteamVR or VDXR) • Added Exit Game button in the Virtual Desktop menu for non-SteamVR games • Added Brazilian Portuguese keyboard layout • Removed regular AV1 codec option (only AV1 10-bit now available) • Fixed game compatibility with many OpenXR titles on the Rift store: Pistol Whip, Onward, Population One, Zenith, etc. • Fixed issues with audio device restoration and monitor resolution change when shutting down/restarting computer in VR • Fixed incorrect 5 GHz / 7 GHz appearing in computers tab / performance overlay when using 6 GHz band • Fixed Head Lock feature to work when moving around your play space • Fixed field of view edges on Quest 3 • Fixed thumbs up state not being recognized in some games • Fixed Vietnamese characters in subtitles • Fixed subtitles not appearing with some videos • Fixed performance overlay visibility after hiding with thumbsticks • Fixed game compatibility with: Automobilista 2 (Steam), 7th Guest

[@honomaximo7732]

Hi, do you now how I can get the beta version of virtualdesktop? IVE downloaded the version 1.29.10.0 but there is nomore options to swicth. thx

[@SjaakSchulteis]

I was always sitting about 4 meters away from my router. This week I moved two meters closer and is such a big difference, it's amazing.

[@jlboynton]

I've used this for 3 days and can say that I'm very impressed. Unbelievable! Thanks again!

[@W00PIE]

One important thing I noticed by accident: When you have your headset on, make sure your MSFS (or whatever other application you're using) window is in focus on your monitor. I didn't notice that I brought some other window up while being under the headset (probably with Alt-Tab). MSFS keeps running, but not being in focus seriously impacts your FPS. It went down from 50 ms down to about 16 ms after correcting it (seen in the VD performance panel).

[@viktorianas]

I don't even fly in sims, I race, but this video is very informative and useful for me.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

I think VD is fine for AMS2 - even Steam … ACC then VRXR with Opencomposite and for MSFS I’d just go Link or Airlink because of ASW

[@stevefarrimond]

Thank you. I nearly gave up on VR, glad I came across your video.

[@CyclingIngenieur]

Brilliant explainer - What a difference to performance that makes. One day these things won't be as fiddly but VD XR is a step towards that.

[@jango71]

It is not only wired against wireless, but what you have in a wireless headset against what you have in a wired one, due to the differences in the sizes of the markets that fund them. Wireless headsets are made for the masses and sold by millions, and can have powerful processors and the expensive development that goes with them. Specialised headsets sell in the tens of thousands. The processor in the Quest 3, the XR2 Gen 2, is capable through SSW of DOUBLING the fps sent by my 30-series Nvidia card (3080 Ti FE), much more economically for me than doubling the fps through a new card acquisition: It gives better visuals than my Reverb with DOUBLE the fps. It is insane. The lens is a big part of it because it avoids the huge oversampling needed for Fresnel lenses, but the processor helps with this fps multiplication (x2, let it sink). It is heavier than the Reverb, yes, I have to charge it from time to time, true, and it is still less stable than the HP, but it will eventually get there. I was convinced until two weeks ago that the future of PC sim VR was wired. I am now certain that the future is wireless, and quite close in time, because both markets will merge as the Q3 has proven it can happen.

[@grzegorztomasiak]

less stable than g2, are u drunk? g2 was the most crashwise headset ever due to not supporting SteamVR but old WMR

[@jango71]

@@grzegorztomasiak Why do you assume it was a Reverb G2? It is you who is drunk. It was a G1 and it very rarely crashed.

[@Glider324]

@@grzegorztomasiak Latest build of WMR in W11 is very stable and fast with OpenXR tools/kit.

[@Glider324]

is VD doing the processing for SSW in the headset?

[@MrNeilRoberts]

@@Glider324SSW in VD is nowhere near ASW Oculus - ATM … Mark mentions it’s being worked on so hopefully will improve but for now if you want decent frame interloping I believe you are better off with Link or Airlink but hopefully that’s gonna change soon because artifacting in ASW is a pain. I can only tolerate MSFS with some form of space warp and VD still has a way to go IMO 😊

[@chrispatton7215]

The beta virtualdesktopXR works great for me. I'm now able to run Golf+ in VR via virtualdesktopXR which gives me much better graphics. Thanks for the video, appreciate it.

[@studiomattone5266]

OMG !! THANK YOU !!! You just saved my nerves. Have been back to flying on my PICO 4 after 4 months and only what i have was stutters with 26 FPS and DLSS on my RTX 4070Ti and almost no clarity at all !! Strugling to sort it out for last few days and BOOM ! Solution for all my problems !! Clarity is incredible!!! TAA, NO DLSS and 36 FPS on same settings. New level of expirience !!! THANK YOU !!!

[@jasons4745]

Great vid Mark, thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@jlboynton]

Works quite well. I have a ryzen 9 with a 4070ti so this gives me a bit smoother ride. Thanks!

[@bungallowbill]

Again and again and again, thank you so much Mark!

[@nuuukethewhales]

I've just given this a shot with my Quest Pro, which has always felt unstable and warpy for me, cabled or wireless. This feels absolutely amazing, drag racing a Juice Goose and plane spotting in Houston at 40-45fps with incredible quality. However I can't bring up OpenXR toolkit, the menu shows up stuck way at the bottom of my FOV, I'll have to look into that so I can get my "sunglasses" back in post-processing. Thanks for the video!

[@SimHangerFS]

The OXRTK toolbar issue seems to be a recent issue. Developer aware.

[@nuuukethewhales]

Oh, that's good news, because I just just a massive upgrade in performance. My gratitude will hold me off until they fix the bug. Thanks for the info, Mark. @@SimHangerFS

[@andresmedina7670]

Yeah I’m having this same issue as well =\

[@gAndres44]

Great video! I wonder how much performance uplift you’ll get if you upgrade your cpu. If I remember correctly, flight simulator is fairly cpu heavy even at higher resolutions. I believe your 4090 I is heavily bottlenecked at the moment.

[@Leynad778]

Agree. I went from a i7 10700k to a i5 13600k and a got better performance-boost than I thought. The 10th series is a joke in comparison.

[@sttarch5150]

I'm pleasantly surprised that my ancient system, i7 with 2080 super, does a decent job with the Q3. I assumed that I would have to immediately move to a 3k+ new system. That will happen soon, but it's hard to swallow replacing a computer that is only about 3 years old.

[@billbrowning3021]

Version is now up to 1.29.4

[@robertguntert7219]

and for MSFS the display Bug is fixed- it shows now VDXR instead Oculus.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

But OpenXR toolkit pushed to bottom of screen also menus in ACC open composite same but known to be fixed when released.

[@critical_always]

It seems to have fixed my msfs crashing when toggling VR although it might also be marks tip in this video. (using a pico)

[@trfcah]

​@@MrNeilRobertsi have this issue also. What have you done to fix it?

[@MrNeilRoberts]

@@trfcahnothing … we have to wait for release version and Matt has confirmed it will be fixed by then

[@TENGILL]

Thank you, will wait for full release but then i will switch!

[@kingjamez80]

This update has me very torn on Q3 vs Crystal. The Q3 at max bitrate (HVEC or AV1) in VD is so good, the lenses are so forgiving and clear over a huge area, and the headset is light weight and low inertia. Even if they were the same price I might actually prefer the Q3 to the Crystal. I own both and while the Crystal does have higher PPD, IMO MSFS looks really good in both. What are your thoughts?

[@SimHangerFS]

Q3 is my choice

[@shaolin95]

Just a reminder you need 4000 gpu for av1 otherwise it will just run hvec even if you select av1

[@MrKnoxi10]

Many thanks! It works fantastically! ❤

[@carpless]

fyi my quest didn't update automatically had to do it via the quest 3 app page. probaly my settings still new to this, also its now ver 1.29.4 for info of your subs. many thanks again

[@brulethierry]

ok super avec quest 3 et 3080 rtx ça fonctionne super bien plus de sacades merci👍

[@stephann8452]

Thank you Mark, very good explanation. I just wonder, my PC is not really beefy with a GTX3060. I use the Quest 2 with the link cable. Is this Virtual Desktop still something I should try out even with the usage of a cable?

[@SimHangerFS]

VD needs to be wireless.

[@Bbuzz8393]

Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos! Your channel is my go-to for MSFS and vr in general. I have a couple questions if I may: Can I use the virtual desktop XR runtime with the Steam version of MSFS, and also my sim setup is not near a internet outlet and I read that the new versions of VD require an active internet connection. Is it possible to use a nested router system with the main unit plugged in the wall internet access and then one of the remotes plugged directly in to my PC? Thanks again!

[@theegodelpozo]

I'm having issues with openXr toolkit while using VDXR runtime (fs2020 crashes) but the performance improves so well that I don't care about it. Jfyi 7800x3d and 4090 system. Solid 80fps.

[@caaront]

The only two versions I could get was the 1.29 or as for beta was later than the beta in this video, then I could not get a beta version of the streamer, and neither program had any options for Open XR. So Virtual Desktop opened Steam VR which locked up MSFS and I could not get it to open Open XR. I went past my 2 hours so likely will not get a refund for VD. However, I find that 36 FPS with 15%-40% headroom left over with turbo on, and DLSS on quality gives me very smooth frame rates and performance so it was a waste of time and money for me. Thank you for the great video though. I prefer to stick to airlink, my quest 3 with Oculus desktop, and it is set and forget and just enjoy MSFS in VR as I have it tweaked and smooth as I am going to get it with a 9700k and an RTX 3070.

[@joshfredr7846]

Thanks for elaborated video, though the G1000 is highly blurry.

[@johannesburgreal441]

thanks. now that you've used the quest 3 as well as the pico 4, which of these headsets would you recommend for MSFS?

[@SimHangerFS]

Both are very good, Pico is less expensive but lacks the mixed reality option, which could be useful in the future.

[@johannesburgreal441]

@@SimHangerFS great thank you

[@Thunderbird1337]

I don't understand this. This Virtual Desktop thing is only working wirelessly? Is there no possibility to use MSFS with a cable without SteamVR?

[@pchappy2.0]

Is the toggle to go from screen to VR the one from MSFS or the binding in Virtual Desktop? I am having trouble figuring out what those bindings do within VD.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

I still think Oculus link at 800mbps ASW 72hz is the winner - i9 4090 Q3 (940mbps causes audio drops)

[@freshs5647]

good to know, i will change it to 800mbps then, just why are you using ASW?

[@MrNeilRoberts]

@@freshs5647 ASW smoother … but it’s always been a personal preference because some people just can’t stand the artifacts. For me I choose artifacts over stutters any day.

[@AlainHesp]

Hello, i am a beginner in VR. I followed your tuto and all works fine for the pico 4. My average FPS is 25 (TAA, high settings) with a rtx 4090 but an old core is 8700. When I am in VR my monitor still displays a double image on the screen. I think the GPU works for nothing. How can I deactivate the monitor when I am in VR mode ? Thx 8

[@SimHangerFS]

You can minimise, but monitor needs to display twin image.

[@AlainHesp]

@@SimHangerFS Thank for your answer ! Now there is a bug in VR, which seems to be present since a long time, the tool bar is missing during the fly ! I saw a trick about the shortcut CTRL--0, but not try yet.

[@RTRT-de8vz]

Can you tell me please if this would work with quest 2

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes it would.

[@trfcah]

Does anybody have the same issue of the openxr toolkit menu being at the bottom of the screen when opening in msfs?

[@critical_always]

I don't see it at all

[@georgefaulk2528]

Mine is underneath me. I can't see all of it. Any solution?

[@techandco.]

Just got my Pico 4 today running on a 13700K and 4070 Ti.... so it means now we don't have to launch Steam VR ? thanks

[@jango71]

Correct.

[@HeliSimDriver]

Hello, I am expecting the delivery of the Quest 3 today. Do I need to install steam if I am going to use virtual desktop XR now instead of the steam version? Thank you

[@MrKnoxi10]

Danke!

[@SimHangerFS]

Thank you for supporting the channel, always appreciated. Take care 😀

[@mikegod7489]

Hi thx for your video ...i choose VDXR in last steaming assistant and thats always steam vr running (automobilista 2) last VD beta (v1.29.5) and no openxr or vdxr menu nothing only steam vr running anitimes , i lauch the game in steam app or vd menu and not working thanx for your help

[@SimHangerFS]

Check compatibility . Is your program opener? Check devs website.

[@mikegod7489]

Ok working now if i launch opencomposite before

[@SimHangerFS]

@@mikegod7489 that means your program is OpenVR not OpenXR. Check, you might still be running steamVR.

[@Satanclausandsantahello]

For me in the flight sim it can’t detect my vr, when virtual desktop does

[@macmusica]

Can we use VDXR for G2 for say DCS etc. or is not compatible? Is OpenVR using the Open Composite Switcher not just the same? I get far better FPS using that for any SteamVR e.g. E:D ; Star Wars Squadrons ; and for DCS I use the Launcher Line: "--force_enable_VR --force_OpenXR"

[@SimHangerFS]

VD now has VDXR as a built in option

[@ndudman8]

Thanks for all your videos... 1 Q) I have pico 4 and updated VirtualDesktop app on PC and pico4, but still steamvr seems to be launched... I have Options->OpenXR runtime set to VDXR. and VirtualDesktop versions are 1.29.10 so I assumed that these features are already rolled out ? I can't hit Ctr-F2 in virtual enviroment and get the openxr settings, and of course steamVr still seems to get launched.. any suggestions thanks.

[@SimHangerFS]

Once in VD don’t launch steam, simply select MSFS from the desktop.

[@honomaximo7732]

Hi Mark, I have downloaded VR desktop on my gquest 3 and thestreaming program on my PC. when I go to th Virtual Desktop page and click on the version to change it I Only get one option version 1.29.10.0 Do you know how I can get the beta version? i watched all your videos but i cant find it. Thx so much for your help

[@FrankdeKort]

Hi Mark. Do you know how to get rid of the Quest 3 controllers and us my Trustmaster joystick and throttle?

[@SimHangerFS]

The easiest way is to disable hand tracking when in sim.

[@DjankoDK]

Mark i got to ask you... I have been sitting and waiting for the world update 15, as described in all magazines and flightsim sites through out the internet should be here on october 31.... Now i am told, that it was just for beta users??? Can you tell us what is going on? and when to expect is for all the rest of us??

[@SimHangerFS]

Hi, due on 31st, but some issues identified so Microsoft have pushed it back by one week.

[@TheAirbus100]

Sorry if i missed it, but do you also need to set the Codec to AV1 (quest3) when using the pico 4 and VDXR?

[@SimHangerFS]

Suggest set to HEVC or HEVC-10bit

[@TheAirbus100]

@@SimHangerFS Thanks a lot man!

[@gilchecksix]

I followed every step of your video but every time I switch to VR mode in MSFS, Steam Vr is blocked with miniature picture "En Attente" (waiting for in English) and I can see in my monitor the Simu is running with the images typical of VR. I use a brand new PICO 4 in Wifi. Do you have an idea? thanks in advance for your help.

[@SimHangerFS]

Point one of your controllers away from the display and press the trigger to enter VR

[@gilchecksix]

@@SimHangerFS I tried it bu nothing happen. The controller doesn't appear in the window and no button is working. I have to close Steam VR in my PC to close the program.

[@abghere]

This tutorial applies to Quest 2?

[@mhan6601]

idont see the pico 4 apk in the link. Seems the github changed?

[@mariuszmisiewicz-ny7gt]

Hello, thanks for the interesting videos. Maybe you can help me with one thing. I don't know why I have very low sound level in msfs 2020, I use mq3 and virtual desktop and virtual audio driver, I have all sound settings set to max in the game and on my PC. Unfortunately, in Google, I have to set the volume to three to hear the sound clearly lines before the end of the scale in mq3 goggles. My ears are clean and functional, if anyone could he wanted to ask me about it. In other programs and applications, the sound is good level, the problem only occurs when I fly in msfs 2020. Thanks and best regards.

[@jango71]

You need to get a WiFi 6 AX3000 router or AP. With H.264+ I am getting almost 400 Mbps.

[@RolandDobbins]

Untrue. WiFi 5 works fine, if you have an optimized network which isn’t oversubscribed. I know, because I’m running this setup just fine on WiFi 5.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

⁠@@RolandDobbinsme too … I get 780mbps on the internet provider’s supplied router but only me on 5gig channel and PC connected Ethernet obviously.

[@jango71]

@@RolandDobbins Correct. If you live without too many other humans around, like is probably your specific case, but I was not advising you that you needed to go to WiFi 6, you just chimed in. But the video clearly shows that he is not getting all the bandwidth he could get, proving that the 5 GHz frequency (not just the network, because a network uses a frequency band) is too loaded. Going to WiFi 6 and AX3000 allows to use the whole VD bandwidth and have 200 Mbps. And almost 400 with H.264+.

[@RolandDobbins]

@@jango71 - your attempted gibe aside, WiFi 5 supports up to -867mb/sec/user. If there isn’t a lot of RF conflict & if the overall network infrastructure, including the APs in question, isn’t oversubscribed, it works very well with Virtual Desktop & Quest 3. In my household, there are multiple people browsing Web, watching Netflix & KZbin, etc. Yet I achieve low latency & high fps in MSFS 2020 at Ultra settings & 1.5x resolution in the Quest 3, all on a WiFi 5 network, using 10~bit AV1.

[@jango71]

@@RolandDobbins Again you put as an example you and your household. The video shows he is getting 120 Mbps when he could get 200. My advice was to him and not to you. Move on, I will.

[@mariuszmisiewicz-ny7gt]

Hello, I don't know how to run msfs without steam? how do you do it in the video... can you advise me how to do it? I can't find a direct exe file, does one even exist? how do you make it run msfs without first running steam?

[@SimHangerFS]

Virtual Desktop requires SteamVR by default. It will not run without it. This video shows how to run VD bypassing SteamVR. It is still installed though.

[@mariuszmisiewicz-ny7gt]

@@SimHangerFS thanks, you're helpful... as usual, see you in heaven :)

[@terrygardner6715]

hi mark . iam using the pico 4 . all works ok apart from openxr toolbox not coming up when i press ctrl+f2 Have you any idea why this might be please

[@critical_always]

You're not alone. I have the same issue. I guess we wait till the next release. It's beta afterall.

[@terrygardner6715]

yes but mark showed it working in this video @@critical_always

[@Glider324]

Is there any way to get the desktop into VR with this since SteamVR isn't running?

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes and I show it in the video. VD desktop.

[@SJkopa]

I don't know how to set up Quest 3 or the installation order, so I've been trying to do it for two weeks. It's so difficult. 😥😥

[@critical_always]

I have a pico but yeah it's absolute bloody torture. It had me vomiting in my lap today because the damn settings screen are in VR. Or were because now they are gone. I appreciate the hard work from Mark and the software authors but all up its a bloody shit show.

[@robertmcmahon4549]

Make sure your pc is wired to router,Start virtual desktop on pc then start it on quest 3.then you start msfs,when loaded you should get the option to select vr mode,it will play it through steamvr automatically.i dont use oculus app on pc at all,i find it runs worse through that for me

[@critical_always]

Thanks Mark. I will dive in again and try sort it out for my Pico. I have God like hardware but only managed to make things worse. Am I unrealistic to want to be able to read the text on my g1000 panel knobs without sticking my head under the glareshield?

[@critical_always]

OMG so nauseous. The good news is that MSFS seems to have stopped crashing when I toggle In and out of VR. Framerate while flying in featureless terrain in the Australian outback is around 90 fps. Well it should on a i9-13900KS with RTX4090 But I can't see shit on my panels. The EFIS are a dark smear. Outside view isn't so bad. Can't test more. I gotta throw up.

[@Forgetthehorrorhere1]

do you download virtual desktop on quest or PC?

[@SimHangerFS]

Both …watch the video referenced, shows you all you need to know.

[@sheg9629]

please tell me i can do this in Starcitizen

[@SimHangerFS]

Check devs compatibility list on referenced page.

[@vivid_clarity]

For some reason I can’t get openxr toolkit to run in the sim with vdxr

[@mbucchia]

It's a little broken in the new Beta :( but promise it will be fixed soon!

[@vivid_clarity]

@@mbucchia Thank you for the reply it turns out that it’s working for me, the openxr toolkit just appears way above my head for some odd reason, not sure how to place the menu back at eye level.

[@mbucchia]

Ya that's the part that's broken 😂

[@vivid_clarity]

@@mbucchia oh ok that makes sense 😂

[@carpless]

Yippie

[@freshs5647]

Latency is still ridiculously high!, no thanks i will stick to tethered link

[@kettenotter]

There are workarounds for using virtual desktop tehered

[@CarbonatedTurtle]

Sure, it's a $500 headset, but you still need a $2000 GPU to play FS2020 in VR. 😄

[@techandco.]

Absolutely not.... I have a RTX 4070 Ti and it runs well ;-)

[@jango71]

That is not true, my 3080 Ti works perfectly.

[@ZockerBudeVR]

3070 runs perfectly ;-)

[@russ1978]

@@ZockerBudeVRplease tell me your settings if you would be so kind!

[@robertmcmahon4549]

Im playing it on a 2080ti with ryzen 7 5700x and it runs great through virtual desktop at a descent graphic level as well

[@grzegorztomasiak]

after crap Crystal, Quest 3 is a breeze