Getting Started with Rene Guenon

[@ereignis9983]

I agree, 'The Crisis pf the Modern World' reads easily, and is surprisingly prescient considering it was written decades ago - thanks for the tips on how to approaching Guenon

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

I am glad yo found the video to be useful. Thanks for watching.

[@maxkyrus]

decades ago? it was a CENTURY ago

[@StashWyslouch]

Just finishing the biography and waiting for my copy of Crisis of Modern world to arrive, thank you for the introduction! !

[@eyesontheinside5776]

thank you for this video! 1. Crisis of the Modern World 2. First 180 pages of introduction to the hindu doctrines 3. Man and his becoming according to the vedanta 4. Finish Hindu Doctrines 5. The Symbolism of the Cross 6. the reign of quantity & the sign of times 7. The Math Book 8. Symbols of Sacred Science (sounds most interesting for fans of semiotics)

[@eshyr]

I had a dream where i spoke to you briefly thanking you for your videos on Guenon

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

How interesting. You are most welcome.

[@muhammadharees2225]

sir i am a Physics student from Pakistan and I am deeply interested in Islam and Modern Science Discourse. I am also very inspired from Rene Guenon after reading his book: East and West. I am also really interested in metaphysical or philosophical aspects of modern day mathematics. Please it is request to teach this book on your channel if this is not available online. Or make it available on internet online. We, students of Modern Science, especially the Muslims, need such books severely. May Allah bless you.

[@GnosisMan50]

I just bought 'The Crisis of the Modern World' for 11 bucks ...looking forward to reading it....

[@labbianlibey5881]

It is true. Metaphysics is not something one can learn quickly. First of all you need to see if you have the disposition, though being totally outside a traditional society. There must in fact be aught that gets you to understand your own constitution. I am fortunate because I can dedicate almost my entire time to metaphysics. After wasting many years of my life with the repugnant educational futility of our culture, I managed to create a life in which I can devote myself only to metaphysics, high theology, and house holding of course. This is what I need to do. Nothing else counts in life. All the rest is an illusion. In order to do this, one should, whilst studying the sacred science, get the basics of a few languages. In my case, I am tackling Sanskrit, Egyptian hieroglyphs, ancient Italian, Latin. The latter two are important because of the very high theology as well as metaphysics of Dante Alighieri and the Dolce Stil Novo, as well as other poets and true Philosophers. Latin is important for Virgil, Bernardo di Chiaravalle, Tommaso d'Aquino, etc. Of course, you have to choose your languages without pushing too hard. I would like to tackle Arabic and Hebrew, but I just can't.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

I wish you every success with your studies.

[@hs9577]

Hey there, I hope you're studies are going well. Would you mind sharing an (rough) overview of what you did in order to devote much time to your studies?

[@christheother9088]

I find your video as I am half way through the Reign of Quantity. The first few chapters were slow going; I'm a bit unfamiliar with some of the terms of the discipline. It get's much easier in later chapters. I am very sympathetic to his conclusions, so I am "enjoying" it.

[@barisoz2598]

i have to talk a little bit about his life tomorrow in the university - it was really helpful. Thanks a lot.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

My pleasure! Thank you for watching.

[@2Pakistan7]

Thank you Brother✊🏽🔥

[@sburakmanav]

Dear Dr. Ahmad, this video was very helpful. Thank you for your narration and the points you made. Will you do a video on Schuon, Lings and Nasr? Please continue with your videos. Greetings from Turkey.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you for watching. I have had the pleasure of visiting Türkiye a few times. It is a wonderful place. Best wishes to you!

[@docdeens4030]

Thanks...very helpful video!

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

You are most welcome.

[@BriteRory]

I'm so happy to have discovered your channel through your videos on Guenon! I'm a Catholic by ancestry (mostly Irish) but have studied Islam with reverence and fascination since I was about 21 (so about 16 years ago) when a Muslim co-worker introduced me to the Qur'an and the manners of prayer. Unfortunately I lost contact with him after only knowing him for a few months, regrettably so as he offered to bring me with him to his mosque, but my brief time spent talking with him had a profound influence on my theological interests that I only wish I could thank him directly for. I remember being surprised at the ready enthusiasm he had to discuss his faith, a genuine spiritual passion that for him came first before absolutely anything else. In the years since I've read the book in several translations, and immense commentaries by three different translators, and have sought its guidance several times during periods of distress. I look forward to discovering your content, thank you very much for providing this content.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you very much. I am glad that you are finding the videos to be beneficial.

[@jdoe7]

Thank you for the wealth of information that you provide Saiyad.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

It is an absolute pleasure. I am overwhlemd by the tremendous interest in theses Guenon videos.

[@LilLightt]

I thought Manteq Al Teyr was also a book of Iranian classical author and scholar Attar Bishapouri

[@danasheys3772]

Very smart comentator. Subject matter seems a bit strange to me. Reading Evol a right now

[@shabbirabdulhussein8748]

Thank you so much for this introductory video to Geunon!

[@projectnoonindia]

Brilliant!

[@Oldsmobile69]

I got interested in Guneon once I heard of King Charles' interest in him. I'm not really a traditionalist, perennialist or anything like that, but I find any contrarian ideas to the modern interesting and worth looking in to. Do you think King Charles has dwelved any deeper than The Crisis of the Modern World?

[@pedropaulo8994]

I know the King was a reader of the journal Sacred Web, which has articles on Tradition and Modernity. So much so the journal even holds a "testimonial" in its webpage from the time he was just the Prince of Wales

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Q: Do you think King Charles has dwelved any deeper than The Crisis of the Modern World? A: I doubt it.

[@harryradley]

Ew. This made me cringe, I forgot that clown is a "king" now.

[@tawfiqhridoy5387]

I enjoyed the whole vedio , really wonderful experience

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you.

[@Mousedragger]

Can't wait for the series to be released. Thanks for your time and work Dr.

[@LuqmaanWaqar]

Thank you for your suggestions Dr Ahmad. Working my way through Crisis of the Modern World and your series on Reign of Quantity. May Allah help you in completing all 40 videos. Your video on Against the Modern World opened up a world of reading for me, particularly Ellull and Evola. Wondering whether you have come across Julius Evola's very short work "René Guenon: A Teacher for Modern Times"?

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you Luqmaan. Yes, I do have a copy of that essay. It is brief but informative.

[@noahdanielg]

Wonderful, more Guénon content is always welcome! 🕉 ☪️

[@mujq7879]

How accessible is east and west?

[@thephilosophermma8449]

Sir what are your thoughts on the Hindu philosophy of Advaita vedanta. I have been confused about it for quite a while, Guenon and even shuon werehighly influenced by it and also hold shankara its supposed founder in high regard, I have noticed them comparing it to Wahdatul wajood , but i doubt that they are identical since advaita claims the complete identity of the individual self and the divine, do you think such metaphysical and ontological claims made by advaita is compatible with islam or any school of islamic philosophy/mysticism perhaps. What are your Thoughts ??

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

In short, I do not think that Vedanta really teaches the complete identity of the self with the divine. Neither does the waḥdat al-wujūd teaching of Ibn al-ʿArabī espouse such a view.

[@tsevaoth]

Thank you Doctor! As a East European like me, what kind of authors like Renee Guenon from Islam culture you recomand? And where can I find it? I don’t know what should i search on Amazon. Thank you!

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

You may consider Ibn 'Arabi. Many of his works have been translated. One you may look at is a collection of translations from his book al-Futuhat al-Makkiyya done by William C. Chittick under the title "The Sufi Path of Knowledge". I wish you every success with your studies.

[@tsevaoth]

@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Thank you very much!

[@Gackt_1234]

Can i ask for an advice?. Can you recommend any organised group (such as an sufi tariqa) that preaches an inclusive interpretation of islam regarding Entrance to jannah. In other words can you mention any group/tariqa which preaches an interpretation of Quran that people of other religions can get into jannah as well. I know this is something opposed by traditionalist Muslim groups such as salafi, ibadis & also the school of muhakkima. But I guess people like ibn arabi & rene guenon support this inclusive interpretation. Also there are some people within the modern Quranist movement who interpret the term "islam" from the Quran to mean "any way of submission to God" instead of the meaning the traditionalists support (i.e. islam means a very specific way which excludes people are generally considered to be non Muslims such as Christians, jews & others).

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you for your question. No such group would be a legitimate Muslim group. The Qurʾān and the Ḥadīths of the Prophet Muḥammad صلى الله عليه وآله and His Family عليهم السلام are clear that Allah has abrogated all other religions by the sending Islam with his final Prophet to humanity. This is the religion which all must follow in the last cycle of time in which we all now find ourselves. If a follower of a previous revelation, for example such as Christianity, does his best to follow that religion and the message of Islam never reached him, then Allah will judge him in accordance with what he knew. Otherwise, it is clear that those who consciously reject Islam will never enter jannah. Thus, it is incumbent on Muslims to see that the message brought by the Final Messenger Muḥammad صلى الله عليه وآله reaches the four corners of the earth. Today Muslims are found in all parts of globe and the whole world has heard of Islam via some means or another. It is true there may be some very isolated people, such as a Tibetan monk meditating in a cave in the high Himalayas, but the majority of people in the world through have encountered Islam in some way or another and in some for or another. This is where an important problem arises. Given the huge distortion in the Western media, which is controlled by dark and demonic forces, regarding Islam and Muslims can it truly be said that a true account of Islam has reached them? The answer is no. Thus, I cannot say that all Americans or let's even say Chinese or Japanese are all going to hell. Fortunately, none of us will be doing the judging on the Day of Judgement for this will be sole prerogative of Allah, the Mighty, the Wise. Having made these important clarifications, it remains true that the the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam. Regarding Rene Guenon, I do not know if he upheld such an "inclusive interpretation". Ibn al-ʿArabī most certainly did not and a full reading of his works shows this. He advised the Muslim rulers of his day to fully implement the Sharīʿa including the jizya tax on Christians and Jews. The so-called "Qurʾānists" are gravely mistaken. Both the Qurʾān and the Normative Practice of Muḥammad صلى الله عليه وآله (known in Arabic as the Sunna) which for the Shīʿā is most authentically and authoritatively embodied by his Family (the Ahl al-Bayt عليهم السلام) is recorded in a very large body of texts known as the ḥadīths. The"Qurʾānists" claim that one need only follow the Qurʾān to the exclusion of the ḥadīths. This is simply not possible. The detailed rules of Islam are set down in the ḥadīths. The best example of this are the five daily prayers. The Qurʾān only speaks of prayer in general. It no where explicitly states that there are five (although this is implied). Moreover, it does not explicitly set out the timings of the prayers nor does it describe in detail its physical postures and other details. All of this is found in the ḥadīths. The Qurʾānists are a thoroughly misguided deviant group. I hope that I have answered your questions and humbly advise you to enter Islam.

[@qsmats8744]

Thank you so much for the work you do. Not sure if you are still checking these comments, but could you recommend some secondary works to understand "hindu" doctrines for a novice, particularly someone who is trying to understand guenons perspective? He has so many references to hinduism in his works that I'd like to be able to follow. Also, I hope you are able to continue/finish your series on ROQ!

[@IThinkItsDark]

Read Guenon's own Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines

[@amaraqmar5861]

Thank you for your lucid presentation. A small point of detail : the last book that appeared during RG's lifetime was not the Reign of Quantity (1945), as you mention, but The Great Triad (1946), a wonderful book, using mainly symbols from the Chinese tradition..

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you for pointing this out.

[@daaz102]

Million thanks Dr for this great video. Really great work

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Most welcome!

[@claytonmare812]

Hello Saiyad, I've read East & West and noticed Guenon said to seek authority in the East to resolve 'gaps' in Western tradition, however I'm not sure how this is supposed to be done. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, it's very hard to not beget occultisism through 'fusion', but I'm not sure which authority to consolidate. Could someone please enlighten me as to how to go about this because esotericism seems to take primacy but almost every traditionalist considers Christianity to be lacking in esotericism.

[@julienweiss9363]

Guénon thought that there may still exist various fragments of Christian esotericism, but that they are either misunderstood, forgotten or have degenerated (Freemasonry is a typical example of this, where it is clear that there was something spiritual but was somewhat corrupted), OR they are still around, but extremely closed-off (for example the Eastern Orthodox practice of hesychasm somewhat looks like an initiation, but access to it is quite difficult so it's hard to know for sure from the outside). Guénon hoped that with the help of muslims or hindus, some Christians could rediscover/'clean' these potential paths by ascerting what was salvageable and what was not using an external point of reference. That was basically his hope.

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

In addition to the comment of Julien Weiss above, I would add that if you truly seek a spiritual path that you seriously consider the possibilities of initiation that still survive intact in the Islamic tradition.

[@Mel-bu5fz]

@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad are there Shia twelver initiation groups, if so, how to join if you are female?

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

@@Mel-bu5fz Being female is no disqualification for the spiritual path and certainly is no bar to obtaining initiation, however being non-Muslim is. So, if not already having done so, one must first become a Muslim and then seek out a spiritual guide.

[@claytonmare812]

@@julienweiss9363 Thank you for the clarification, I think I understand things better now.

[@mohammedaljhidi9610]

Allah bless you prof.Syed Nizamuddin, in the first episode of your series of "The Reign of quantity..", when you talked about ""converted" Rene to Islam, you didn't like this word "converted",why?!!

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Simply because he did not "convert" in any conventional sense. It was not that he was somehow convinced of Islam as opposed to Catholicism since he would have seen both as embodying Tradition "with a capital T". Guenon was seeking initiation and in the end realised that this was alive in Islam. Whether he ultimately concluded that Islam alone was valid and it alone offers a living initiatic possibilities to seekers in the Kali Yuga [which is my own view], I cannot be sure.

[@thewolf1801]

Or you can get pdf copies

[@faisalniazi1899]

❤️

[@carlosayresayres5997]

Bom.

[@scronchman0146]

About the book on calculus you mention one needs a deeper than average understanding of calculus. Could you be more specific on exactly what topics one needs to have covered?

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

One needs to have completed a rigorous course in calculus. When mathematicians use the word "rigorous," they mean you should have studied the proofs of the theorems of calculus; or a course in what is generally called "real analysis." In other words, if you studied calculus as a tool-kit for solving engineering and physics problems, this is probably not sufficient to understand Guenon's book.

[@scronchman0146]

@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Ah. i think i should be able to manage then. thank you. Ive browsed through the work a bit and it's truly fascinating; it's the deeper view of mathematics ive always longed for. looking forward to reading it in full.

[@dhiamuhamadakbar9590]

Can you make with Evola syaikh ?

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

I do not understand your question.

[@user-zv7yb4yp9g]

@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad he’s asking if you can make a similar video but for Julius Evola

[@SkintoneChickenbone]

Who is here after watching the bored ape doc?

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Indeed, the phenomenon of the bored ape is most intriguing. Thank you for watching.

[@pedropaulo8994]

Hello. I'm watching the video now. Really great so far, but went to check the comments and, what is this bored ape doc? Is it available here on KZbin? Thanks!

[@SkintoneChickenbone]

@@pedropaulo8994 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqGrZIJsotONrNk

[@SkintoneChickenbone]

@@pedropaulo8994 it's worth the watch

[@pedropaulo8994]

@@SkintoneChickenbone Through the notification e-mail I saw the link, here it isn't available. I still have access to the link anyway, youtube is odd! Thank you very much, I'll definitely check it.

[@hasan.radawi]

Excellent work, Saiyad! - بارك‌الله‌فيكم ❧

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

شكرًا لكم لحسن متابعتكم.

[@bramblebop1904]

Is it Arabic?

[@realhistoryisunpleasant3855]

As allways excellent videos,Respect and all the Best!

[@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad]

Thank you for watching.

[@sebpit8278]

Guenon look like scp

[@thelordofgifts5343]

Based guenon Chad