GH5S Low Light Part 1 ► Camera setup, ISO 400 vs 2500, & V-Log Grading

[@itzefitzefatze5709]

That is all that anyone needs to know about this topic. Perfect. Thank you!

[@photojoseph]

🙏🏻

[@mikepolaroid]

Hi Joseph. Just watching now can’t wait to learn. Interesting note is the native iso points on the Gh5s is 400/2500 but for HLG and V Log are native 800/5000. Testes have also revealed that despite these iso settings. The cleanest iso so far are 320/3200 so far

[@photojoseph]

Hmm… ok I’ll have to look into that. Thanks.

[@photojoseph]

SONNOFA… yep, you’re right. Native ISO is different when shooting V-Log and HLG. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

[@mikepolaroid]

PhotoJoseph youre the best keep em coming. Didn’t want you to think I was trolling. I’m just confused and trying to learn this new beast

[@photojoseph]

Oh no worries! I’m happy you told me. Wish I’d heard it from my Panasonic people, but other than that… 😁

[@arnoldpollock]

Good info - any link to test at 320/3200 - just purchased GH5s looking for cleanest ISO settings? Thanks

[@photojoseph]

CORRECTION: Apparently the native ISOs when shooting V-Log is actually 800 and 5000!! In part 1, I show off the GH5S ISO settings, discuss the difference between auto/low/high ISO settings, compare in-studio shots of ISO 400 vs 2500, then show test shots from the blacksmith shop shot in V-Log on an Atomos Ninja Inferno in Final Cut Pro X!

[@lesotter7241]

Sorry Joseph - you need to correct your correction! :-) its 800 and 5000. Feel free to delete this comment when you tidy up

[@photojoseph]

LOL thanks… that’s what I get for responding to comments pre-coffee!!!

[@gellert.ficzere]

You get the same amount of dynamic range at every ISO setting but you get lower a lower noise level with a lower ISO setting (at least when using Vlog-L that is for sure) so it is best to use 320-1600 when you can. 3200 and 5000 are also clean but they have stronger noise reduction resulting in a sligthly less detailed image.

[@lucMauduit]

Thank, put the correction on video !

[@photojoseph]

Can't edit a video

[@creativesymon]

Excellent description of the ISO cross-over. Nobody else has talked about that. They mostly winge about the IBIS and AF. Thanks :)

[@photojoseph]

Thanks! If you’re tired of the winging about IBIS, you’ll like this video “GH5 vs GH5S Car Mounted Stabilization Test ► Why the GH5S has no IBIS!” kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJ_OdaSpicSGisU

[@baconbits5000]

Thanks Joseph. Having fun with my gh5s so far! How far do you over-expose for VLOG to optimize noise levels?

[@mirobalic3613]

Greetings! can you recommend me, I shoot weddings and in most cases in low light. I have a gh6, it's good, but the AF isn't great for me. according to your testing, I prefer the gh 5s. which is better for the given job. Thank you !

[@photojoseph]

GH6 low light performance should be nearly as good as GH5S but the GH5S may still be a little cleaner. But the GH6 is going to be a better performer overall. I’d use the GH6.

[@dougadams5663]

FINALLY! Dual native ISO explained clearly and concisely! You have no idea how much doubletalk I had to sft through before I found your video. Thank you!

[@photojoseph]

My pleasure

[@camcamwatt]

SO far in CINI D I get the cleanest shots at 3200 - so one above the native 2500.. V=LOG im scared to use in LOW light and from what others have told me V log isn't the best for dark as you're not trying to capture as much colour science. So I have stayed away but will test. To be honest, I felt your black smith shots were way over saturated and didn't look as clean or "shot on a higher range camera" But I do prefer a less saturated look so maybe it's just my perception. Good video, thanks for taking time to make it.. your knowledge is good - I feel you can cut down these videos a lot and get more to the point of the content... it'll help your channel grow... most of these videos we want info fast as we are busy. Not here for comedy or a vlog :) all in all Weldon though Greetings from Melbourne

[@UpperVIP]

I understood that you can adjust the LOWER and the UPPER - AUTO Sensitivity setting (max and min amount) by accessing the "ISO Sensitivity (video)" menu option which is on the 2nd option down (Camera Icon on Menu)? or is this me not understanding? Whatever way it goes this is an excellent technical reference. Bravo!

[@photojoseph]

You got it right. Not all cameras have that but yes that's correct. And thanks!

[@martinsinclair55]

I'm confused. Why does the paper manual say that you can go to ISO 204,800? The camera only seems to go to 51,200. GH5S.

[@photojoseph]

enable extended ISO

[@ArthurFilmmaker]

What camera do you use to shoot your episodes? Great Video with some exclusive info about the GH5S. Thanks.

[@photojoseph]

+Arthur Abramov Here’s a video about my live broadcast setup: “How I LIVE Stream: Hardware in a Professional KZbin LIVE Streaming Studio” kzbin.info/www/bejne/l32UmIlprq-pea8

[@Neverkilltime]

Great video Joseph! I'm curious what lav microphone you are using, the audio is really clean.

[@GurmeetSingh-fr8uo]

My GH5s when I have it set to manual ISO i.e iso 6400 and when I start filming the display shows ISO A (Auto). Why is this?

[@nicholasatkins4748]

great work joseph !! Tell me ...when shooting at 96fps i get lots of noise in low light with the GH5S ....was actually hoping it wouldn't be so bad. the focus highlight thing pretty much sets the screen (red in this case) in a haze...? how can i overcome this ? also does the iso jump over after 3200? appreciate if too difficult to explain as you would have to see my screen at the time of shooting. keep up the great work!!

[@photojoseph]

I know what you mean with the focus peaking in super low light. Basically it starts to peak on the noise on screen. What ISO are your shooting? Also, not sure what you mean by “does the ISO jump over after 3200”… the native ISOs in non-Log are 400 and 2500. If you’re in auto ISO, it switches from the 400 base to 2500 base around 800 I believe. Your best picture will be at 400 or 2500 (or if shooting Log, then 800 and 5000). [I’m pretty sure those are the right numbers… I have it on a sticker on my GH5S but I don’t have it here with me now]. But let’s start with the ISO you’re actually shooting at and take it from there.

[@morchangstudios]

PhotoJoseph you know what I can’t exactly remember but was probably around the 3200 mark .... it’s just that I never saw that kind of hazy focus wash on my old faithful GH4 RIP where it picks up on the noise .... hmmm I guess it’s the balance of how far you can push the VFR in low light - many thanks for your reply and your channel is super !!

[@photojoseph]

VFR is definitely different than standard. I’d do some experimenting at various frame rated and ISOs and find thresholds you’re comfortable with.

[@morchangstudios]

PhotoJoseph great thanks - come to Jaipur next Feb - very colourful place - I hold 3 nights of music at diggi palace where you’ll be welcome to join

[@photojoseph]

Awesome! We aren’t doing Jarpur on this trip but I think I’ll be there for a day in November on a scouting trip.

[@lesotter7241]

Hi Joseph - I thought native iso for v-log were 800 and 5000 on the GH5S? Maybe you mentioned that - if you did I missed it. Great episode by the way!

[@lesotter7241]

I'm surprised that the camera's manuals don't seem to mention different native ISOs for HLG and V-Log, but the spec sheet from Panasonic does www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-g-compact-system-cameras/dc-gh5s.specs.html

[@photojoseph]

DAMNIT… you’d think as an Ambassador I’d get this info in advance. I just asked the right person and YES YOU’RE RIGHT. Apparently this is relatively new info. (Can’t comment on the test results showing different ISO giving better results though; will have to explore that too)

[@bronsteenproductions]

So your lut removes grain? That is insane.

[@dp54321]

Question For A Different Show - By getting rid of IBIS the GH5S apparently removes jitters that occurs in certain situations, would using an optically stabilized lens in those same situations reintroduce the jitters? Thanks Joseph!

[@photojoseph]

Homework noted… I will explore!!

[@PolymerJones]

I just bought a GH5S and a Smallrig and the cage doesn't completely tighten like the camera body shifts a tiny bit is this normal ??

[@photojoseph]

Mine is snug. Sounds like a question for Smallrig.

[@PolymerJones]

@@photojoseph Gosh I sent them an email almost a week ago and have heard nothing. Do you think it might be because of the Metabones speed booster? it doesn't seem to be obstructing anything

[@photojoseph]

Sorry I don’t know. But can you rig it? Put something in there to keep it from shifting?

[@PolymerJones]

@@photojoseph I put more elbow grease into it last night and used a coin for the screws and got it to fit snuggly. Thank you for your time :D

[@DadeWheless]

Great video, thanks for the info! I've got a Lynda subscription already and went looking for your GH5 training course. I'm loving it! But! When do you think you'll have the GH5S specific additions included in the Lynda offering? I don't see them as of this comment. Thanks!

[@photojoseph]

It’ll be April before I can record those. I’m fully booked right now. And once I do it there’s no guarantee that Lynda will add it to the Library (although I’m sure they will)

[@UpperVIP]

Another, small point. If you are shooting for quality and 'pixel peeping' then why are you using a Canon lens on an adapter as opposed to a native. The new Meike Cine lenses are amazing, native, primes and their glass quality is, although some might argue, not as good as Canon's rather organic look, they are, none the less, a few pieces of glass less. And as they say, "the less glass the best glass" result. Well, that's me that said that, actually, from experience going through about 100 lenses. But for MFT, I'd opt for the Meike. Why not you? Or a Leica? be interested to hear.

[@photojoseph]

You may have noticed this video is two years old. Meike lenses are new, and I have three of them now. They’re great.

[@nicholasatkins4748]

hey there.... I've recently experienced some horrible noise on my gh5s, i was shooting in a lite yoga studio on v log/1000 iso/96fps HD . on inspection (not even pixel peeped) the noise was really bad ....in that i had horizontal lines appearing on the screen. now i was sold this camera as a low light beast and am really disappointed with its performance, any suggestions???thx

[@nicholasatkins4748]

forgot to mention...was shooting 2.8 12-35mm........really baffled ...help!!!

[@photojoseph]

Try the same settings at 60fps. Also, native ISOs on the GH5S are 400 and 2500, so shooting at those ISO settings will be better than something in-btween.

[@nicholasatkins4748]

thanks ....just tried that and its fine upto 6400. its not the slow I'm looking for but atleast usable.The lines distortion at 96fps make the footage completely unusable. are panasonic aware of this? appreciate any response thx

[@photojoseph]

So 60p up to 6400 is fine? That’s good to know. What shutter angle (or speed) are you shooting at? If 180d, then that’s 1/192s at 96fps which is pretty dang fast; you must have a lot of light in the low light environment? I believe the problem isn’t GH5S or even Panasonic specific. Shooting high frame rate and high ISO together is a tough combo. If you’re ever able to test against other cameras I’d love to hear the results. And I’ll be sure to share your findings with Panasonic, thanks for doing the tests.

[@photojoseph]

Oh also - I missed earlier that you said you were shooting V-Log. Native V-Log ISOs are 800 and 5000, so crank it to 5000, set a 180d shutter angle and if that’s too much light, use an ND to darken the scene. Are you experienced shooting V-Log? You generally need to overexposed by about 2 stops to get the best result. Live off the waveform and don’t clip highlights but definitely overexpose. Try shooting the same scene in non-Log at 2500 ISO and see what you get, too.

[@victorcarrera7335]

Can you suggest a card for GH5S that can record at the best video format?

[@photojoseph]

The Angelbird card: kit.com/PhotoJoseph/gnarbox-lumafusion-slovenia-shoot-kit/angelbird-av-pro-sd

[@victorcarrera7335]

Thanks a lot. Early in your video you suggested a relatively low price solution as for EF-s lenses. I am looking for an adapter that enables me to work Fully-manual with EF lenses. Any suggestions, greatly appreciated. *

[@photojoseph]

Yeah… I’ll do a video this week. The manufacturer is PIXCO so watch for that soon.

[@deadpool790]

How do you get the panasonic Lut?

[@photojoseph]

I always assumed it was installed by FCPX but now I wonder. Are you running FCPX 10.4 and don’t see the LUT?

[@deadpool790]

PhotoJoseph i use Adobe and trying to get into using Davinci. Ive never really shot Vlog so im expermimenting to color grade.

[@photojoseph]

Oh I see. No idea on the other apps, sorry. Google it? See if you can find a download. Although… I’m pretty sure it’s installed in Resolve automatically.

[@bronsteenproductions]

@@deadpool790 Have you found a LUT you like? The Lut PhotoJoseph uses is amazing. It makes the blacks way less grainy.

[@AndyS52]

Really wish these videos were shorter/wish you put timestamp links to times where you address certain topics

[@clydebrooks3189]

to much talk about other product ,not enough on the camera it self inner working of the GH5S CB