Ghost In The Shell || Where Is The Rust?

[@DanielGreeneReviews]

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[@KeacePeeper]

Since you liked Ghost in the Shell, I also recommend you give Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust a watch.

[@silverdragon3332]

If you like ghost in the shell Cowboy Bebop is somewhat similar

[@aronnemcsik]

you planning to watch Ghost in the Shell: Stand alone complex?

[@marocat4749]

Dubs shouldnt factor in, there is a reasomn why so many stick with subs. Vinlandsaga is good,and vagabond, but vinlandsaga is eary good for a good manga, about vikings, and dark humor

[@marocat4749]

Yep the wacholsky sisters were inspired a lot by ghost in the shell, They did their own thing still but yeah its definitly concepts from there. there are matrix animations too that are just good.

[@DweezyBreezey]

I have to add another voice to the "Watch Stand Alone Complex" pile, especially if you want to see better characters from this franchise. For as much of a masterpiece as the 1995 film is, it doesn't really adapt the characters' personalities all that faithfully from the original manga (which I also recommend you give a look). Granted, that's because the manga was pretty goofy so they would clash with the tone, but that's what Stand Alone Complex is able to figure out. SAC is kind of like a meeting point between the original manga and the 1995 film, where it's basically a cyberpunk cop show, and the characters are more fun and fleshed out, but it's still has the contemplative nature of the 1995 film. The characters joke around with each other, act like real work buddies, it delves into their personal lives, and they even made sure to retain the fact that Makoto is bisexual. On the other hand, it still is very dense, maybe even more so than the original film, and the pacing is slow and methodical. It also has a bopping soundtrack and great visuals, especially for a tv anime. It's pretty much the best GitS property and has everything you could want. It's also just 2 seasons and a movie, so it isn't a big commitment.

[@angellover02171]

I loved when Batou asked Motoko what's wrong with her she said "It must be that time of the month" in the English dub. It killed me.

[@sntxrrr]

SAC is indeed very good but I would give one warning though, it suffers from a sometimes big heap of techno babble. Lots of talk about technical stuff that is meant to sound interesting but doesn't really mean anything. I would still recommend it though.

[@tomboysultan7354]

Have you seen the new cgi season on Netflix if so what did you think of It?

[@sphinxinherhat]

Even if I saw the movies first, Stand Alone Conplex has my favorite character design, That is what the Major looks like to me. Love the opening themes for both seasons.

[@westquester]

This - a thousand times this! SAC is the best version of Ghost in the Shell.

[@shadez123]

The influence of anime in a lot of hollywood films is really understated. I recently watched Inception and Paprika back to back and it's remarkable how much the former borrows from the latter, at least conceptually.

[@thanatos7007]

That one isn't fair. If you follow the history of Inceptions script you'll find it's actually an adaptation of an adaptation of a Sci-fi novel from the 60s called "Dreammaster" by Roger Zelazny. Hollywood steals a lot of shots and scene compositions from anime, but these concepts aren't unique, they've been around for a long time. Also, it isn't like Holywood is the only thief in this relationship, 95% of all anime is at least a little bit based on either Mad Max or Anne of Green Gables.

[@ChristmasLore]

The concept is not unheard of, it's just the first time it came in movie and anime form. But it's a common philosophical reflection.

[@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723]

@@thanatos7007 *95 %* of all anime?🤔 wtf?🤣 Which animes do you think are based on Mad Max and Anne of Green Gables?

[@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723]

@@ChristmasLore Paprika is an adaptation from a novel published in 1993 by Yasutaka Tsutsui. I read that the film is not entirely the same as the novel, it was pure Satoshi Kon.

[@ChristmasLore]

@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 , I was absolutely not saying one influenced the other or not: that wasn't my point at all. It's just an idea actually shared by different people in different countries.

[@jormungandthemidgardserpen1845]

It's funny that western cyberpunk did go through Japanese lense to become relevant in the west again somewhat. Because GitS was heavily inspired by the Neuromancer. I mean the ending of this movie is very similar to the Wintermute plot line at the very least.

[@r.babylon2885]

I've met a grandma once who complained about the "flood of foreign cartoons" and how she didn't get it. This was actually the argument I gave her to help her understand. Trigun was inspired by the show Gunsmoke and generally westerns. The most famous westerns were inspired by samurai films. GitS inspired Matrix. She was astounded to hear how Japan has had this back-and-forth with America in entertainment.

[@thanatos7007]

The cyberpunk genre started off steeped in a sort of admiration/fear of Japanese and more broadly "Eastern" cultures. It's called "Orientalism" and it was a big racist thing in the 70s and 80s. A big part of the world building of big cyberpunk touchstones is alienating an English speaking reader by having "The East" becoming the ascendent economic super power, which is an idea that continues to drive a lot of anti-Asian sentiment even today. Cyberpunk overall I think came from a place of admiration rather than fear, but it still painted a world where things are very bad for people, and also Asian people are prominent and powerful, but they aren't intrinsically related. This can be contrasted against a slew of Western action movies from the same period that came from a really hateful or kind of minstrily place, like any Steven Siegal movie with an asian cast member, or 3 Ninjas.

[@jormungandthemidgardserpen1845]

@@thanatos7007 doubt that it is actually true, more like a fancy way of saying "inspired by asian/Japanese cities, culture, technological explosion". Because i know for a fact that cyberpunk is a post-modern phenomenon of science fiction, born out of the desire to subvert the golden age of science fiction. I mean, W. Gibson's sprawl is pretty respectful towards japanese folks. Yes, there are mentions of Yakuza, sararimen and capsule hotels, but western government is far more criticized, for example. Even more than corporations, which are the stereotypical antagonist in cyberpunk.

[@thanatos7007]

Okay, setting aside that I was alive in the 80s, and know what all of the other books and movies were saying at the time. Setting aside that postmodernism is 150 years old, and existing at all times right next to Modernism. I want you to consider for a moment the game Cyberpunk 2077. In the first 4 hours of that game you are asked to steal a doodad from the most powerful entity in the world. An enigmatic Japanese company that is led by what is clearly just Fu Manchu. Fu Manchu is killed before you can speak to him by his son, who is a boisterous tattooed Yakuza. Who then sends very serious men with black suits and tiny sunglasses to assassinate you, along with ninjas. None of this is atypical of the genre.

[@jormungandthemidgardserpen1845]

@@thanatos7007 okay, you were alive in 80s, what does it change? Post-modernism isn't a single case that just happened once and that's it. It keeps happening as old post-modern works become part of modernism. Cyberpunk 2077 is very isolated and unique case. While yes, it is heavily inspired by Gibson's sprawl, it fleshes out completely different topics, themes and stories. The "rule of cool" is there to make the games, both 2077 and 2020 to feel unique and not like typical cyberpunk of that time. And while yes, the main plot of 2077 is about Arasaka, it is isolated case in the entire lore of the universe simply because Johny Silverhand is one of the main protagonists and has a huge beef with Arasaka. The entire 2020 lore does not isolate and villainize Japanese corporations, gangs, etc. There are voodoo, latinos, Chinese and other gangs PLUS variety of other corporations, like Militech or medics(i don't remember the name). And yes, there are cyber ninjas. Because cyber ninjas are cool and the entire game, as i said, is about rule of cool. I can do the same thing. Take last two deus ex games as an example and point my finger at primarily European/American antagonists via illuminati with only one Asian corporation and multiple others, like Sharif industries representing typical western capitalism and corporations. And there are no ninjas, at all.

[@duser]

Ghost in the Shell is, in my mind, peak cyberpunk. I like it when the "future" or "advanced tech" in movies actually looks like stuff we can develop rather than "magic but tech" Unfortunately, the invention of RGB leds and their widespread use in the PC scene has tossed us off the timeline of Ghost in the Shell cyberpunk and into the glowy neon light modern cyberpunk.

[@nikcantsnipe]

No ghosts were harmed in the production of the film.

[@aronnemcsik]

I mean they were in a shell so they were protected...

[@Ellthom]

I think this was the first anime I ever watched, back when the Sci-Fi channel used to have that weekly anime night on Fridays in the late 1990's early 2000's.

[@Halfsight666]

The good old days. This, galaxy express, demon city, tank police, Vampire Hunter D. I had stacks of VHS tapes recorded off their.

[@thanatos7007]

Second for me. I borrowed Akira from a guy in class, because he was wearing a T-shirt for it and I had seen ads for Akira on late night TV. He also had Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D and the first couple of episodes of Slayer and Trigun on VHS. 6 months later piracy became a thing, and I jumped in to anime with Napster, then Kazaa, then torrents, then my money as an adult.

[@nhboyd23]

Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence is INCREDIBLE. In many ways, I found it more compelling than the original film. It's deeply philosophical and requires a lot of close attention and careful analysis to really appreciate.

[@NewOO1]

Great review and video man and I'm glad it clicked with ya! I also HIGHLY recommend the Stand Alone Complex TV show if you want more Ghost, just 2 seasons and I recommend watching the tv show and not the cut-down-movie versions of the show

[@ripchen3449]

I can only recommend you the Show Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. There are 2 seasons of it and are a separat adaptation of the gits franchise (I like them even more).

[@Halo_Legend]

Isn't it more like the manga source material? I saw a bit of the manga and yeah... it's more manga-anime cliche than the movie.

[@srswriter1165]

Agreed. Stand Alone Complex is great. Also, unlike with the first movie, I recommend at least checking out the dub (they replaced almost the entire cast after the first movie). With all due respect to the sub (which is fantastic too) the dub is phenomenal, with Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, Richard Epcar, and Crispin Freeman being highlights.

[@ab-hx2ii]

@@Halo_Legend In terms of it looks (visuals)? Yeah. In terms of story? No, it is a very well written show with lots of political commentary especially 2nd gig which is a masterpiece.

[@tolgayatamturk2304]

meh.

[@leandroP2323]

Yeah, in my opinion, they are way better than the film.

[@miluxian90]

I adore Ghost in the Shell: Innocence, it explores the secondary characters better, the story is much more complex, and it has one of my favorite scenes from movie history.

[@MrBaumanbrady]

Which?

[@miluxian90]

@@MrBaumanbrady The parade scene.

[@benniek1050]

I'm keeping Ghost in the shell and Akira in my back pocket till I pass the vibe check for witnessing a masterpiece. You can only see something once for the first time. So I wanna savour it.

[@ArnoVdVelde]

That's going to end in disappointment, building something up too much is dangerous.

[@macht4turbo]

Ghost and the shell and akira are both examples of movies you can watch over and over again, no need to wait.

[@despairwaffle6798]

You'll be disappointed with that amount of build up

[@benniek1050]

@@ArnoVdVelde normally, I find that classics held in such high regard even today rarely miss. Case in point, I recently read Vagabond by Takehiko Inoue and I was frothing in the mouth after every page. I will say tho. Biggest hype let down was Evangelion. So I get your point.

[@benniek1050]

@@ArnoVdVelde there's also the problem with mood. Like, you know how sad music hits hard when you've gone through a breakup? I feel like I'm never in the right mood. And when I am, I'm always busy with another series, but when I've finished that series, the mood is gone. Woe is me.

[@pedroneves1057]

I wonder why they didn't had new voice-over for the dubs in the remaster.

[@DanielGreeneReviews]

Me too!

[@goudawgs]

Cause it's really expensive to remaster and re-ADR audio dialog

[@nordbard5027]

Because the dub is great. He's the only one I've heard complaining about the dub so far.

[@thanatos7007]

A bunch of reasons. Dubbing anime is a giant pain in the pooter. Generally speaking the Japanese Studio sells the rights to that work to another company, but has a lot of creative control over how that company can manipulate the footage. So generally they don't want you to mess with the visuals at all, that means no editing new lip flaps like TeamFourStar, no adding repeat frames or slowing the footage or speeding it up (since that messes up secondary and background animations.) So dub actors have to match the vocal cadence of Japanese, which hits it's syllables with a much more clipped and regular pace than English. Given those constraints it still isn't that bad. The LTs voice is particularly jarring for how monotone and disinterested it was, but that's a creative choice that fits the narrative, and contrasts nicely against the much warmer and human vocal presentation of her eventual lover, that was free from the constraints of lip flaps.

[@dsaillant811]

As terrible as they are, people get really attached to classic dub voices, and re-dubbing opens you up to a lot of controversy. Netflix infamously re-dubbed Evangelion when they added it to their service and was heavily criticized by virtually everybody (myself included).

[@azurepulse1870]

The beginning distinction of dub vs sub was just a hint, but the dialogue at the end lets me know that Daniel really is becoming... one of us. Great review Daniel. I hope you are able to find even more anime content that you enjoy just as much as this.

[@aidenharper1046]

Just wanna say, Graveyard of the fireflies and Your name are a must watch.

[@johnclark8108]

Don't put that Sadness that is Graveyard on him! But seriously, it is a must watch but so sad.

[@thomasscoffeecompany6243]

Are you trying to get depressed

[@vishanthfishy]

I never cry at movies or books. Grave of the fireflies is the only piece of media to make me full out SOB. I was distraught for a week after that movie. A beautiful masterpiece but a movie I'd never watch again

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

Definitely don't watch those two back to back

[@aidenharper1046]

@@manwithnoname8229 well, I never found the romance genre interesting but Your name change my perspective.Also, the story and music is amazing. Not to mention the stunning visuals.

[@rafaelrasillo7356]

Had to go see this after you posted. I've seen it numerous times but never on the big screen. So the IMAX presentation was a huge treat!

[@anugrahshrestha8208]

A couple of recommendations for you A Silent Voice Wolf Children Summer Wars Paprika Perfect Blue Millenium Actress Your Name Akira Laputa: Castle in the Sky Maquia: The Place where the Promised Flower Blooms. The Girl Who Leapt through Time. One Piece: The Secret Island of Baron Omatsuri The Garden of Words Josee: The Fish and the Tiger Sword of the Stranger Mirai Redline

[@knashboi3914]

Perfect Blue is still probably just my favourite movie of all time. 10/10 would never rewatch again

[@Lakefront_Khan]

The Garden of Words, that was just, damn.

[@nviz47]

Thirded! Nice recommendations!

[@tasogarerubica]

I got an interesting tid bit of trivia for the production of this film, during the last action climax when the Major is going against the SPIDER TANK. This specific scene has a legendary story behind it. The animator who was tasked with this specific scene was Mitsuo Iso, a very well regarded animator during that time and now a highly regarded director himself. During the prepping phase of this scene, Iso came into the studio with something he caught on the way to work, and it was a spider. His peers noticed him just observing the spider he caught, so that he can use it as a referencial material on how the spider tank would move and articulate... You could def watch that fight over again to see how realistic the movements were for a 8 legged vehicle to move and orient itself through out the fight and thats all that is to ISO's attention to detail. Now on the topic of cyber punk, Iso also directed and helmed a cyberpunk anime called Dennou Coil, which delves into the near future where AR has become seemlessly integrated as smart phones in modern day. Now what's crazy is that he whipped up the concept and idea and compiled it into a pitch around 1999... Dude is ahead of his time, with even the concept of wearable computers only really being delved in sci-fi circles around that time and not really being considered in a widespread way that he has presented in Dennou Coil.

[@TerenceA72]

It only has six legs.

[@deliii395]

Would love to see you review some satoshi kon movies- perfect blue, paprika, millennia actress. (So many Hollywood directors copied from his movies) Also A silent voice & Liz and the blue bird(naoko yamada is one of my fave contemporary anime directors)

[@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723]

Oohh Satoshi Kon, one of my most favorite directors❤

[@AvatarFanUno]

Since Daniel is more focused on Fantasy, "Your Name." would be more channel-appropriate. (Rom-fantasy)

[@devildriverrule111]

@@AvatarFanUno Paprika would be easily channel appropriate (if that even really matters too much).

[@gizzardgizzard3583]

I was hoping to find this comment! Yes Daniel pls give satoshi kon a go he was a genius!

[@DotHackerKite94]

You WANT to send him on an emotional Rollercoaster don't you.

[@line4169]

Neon Genesis Evangelion + End Of Evangelion. (Netflix/sub>dub)

[@kb39295]

For years I've been asking them to a redub of the movie with the cast from the Stand Alone complex TV show and I don't understand why they won't do it

[@angellover02171]

Lol

[@dsaillant811]

12:32 Trust me, check out the sequel, it’s just as good as the first. There’s a LOT of different places for the themes to go.

[@Akkaren79]

I second this. I like the second one even more then the first one if we just talk about the movies and leave out what the first one did for the entire industry. I think GitS:innocent has a better soundtrack, the picturesque scenes are even more overwhelming, the plot is deeper and I love the pacing so much. Like Daniel I love a slower paced movie that gives you time to soak everything up.

[@dsaillant811]

@@Akkaren79 Speaking of picturesque scenes, it's worth noting for those unfamiliar: there's a 2-minute parade scene in the movie that’s so visually complex, it took over a year to animate. And it is indeed stunning to look at.

[@hannb_nana]

Thank you for giving the soundtrack credit!! If I remember correctly, the same woman who did the soundtrack for Ghost in the Shell also did Cowboy Bebop’s music. She is *chef kiss*

[@CRohrscheib]

Yoko Kanno wrote the score for Ghost In The Shell and other early anime like Cowboy Bebop and The Vision of Escaflowne. She's considered one of the best composer in Japanese history

[@ab-hx2ii]

She is certainly up there. There are lots of great japanese composers like susumu hirasawa, shiro sagisu, joe hisaishi, yuki kajiura, ryuichi sakamoto, hiroyuki sawano, michiru oshima, kenji kawai, nobuo uematsu, and the composer of devilman crybaby and ping pong too (forgot his name), he is really young but i think he will be up their with the greats.

[@burton1ify]

Let’s not forget Kenji Kawai!

[@rodrigo3732]

Dude,just watch black swan right after perfect blue and inception right after paprika and you will see just how much hollywood steals fom anime

[@rodrigo3732]

@@masterofmeow8894 i guess thats personal taste,but i don,t prefer either western version

[@rafaela00002]

that mickey doll feels so threatening

[@yashsolanki589]

Check out the Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex series. I think that is able to explore a lot of the themes of the movie in far greater depth and its animation still has that edge but has aged somewhat better.

[@Tenchinu]

Daniel: … its atmosphere of oppression, of unreality! The deconstruction of what it means to be human… *Suddenly, wild Mickey appears*

[@poodlemuffin]

Great review; also loved the advert 😂

[@cameronpetie8318]

I remember watching this back in the late 90s. I think it's still my favourite animated movie. You hit all those notes about depth and immersive music and mood. Love it.

[@gurentgc3546]

The music of ghost and Nier: automata are amazing. Highly recommend both. Both have the same energy and vibe, imo.

[@pyroshell5652]

In Japanese, stoic monotone voices are what sounds badass. This doesn't translate over to English very well, and was a notable issue with the Metroid: Other M dub.

[@nahmonilldan]

Ooooooo I can't wait for him to review Cowboy Bebop now

[@EduSaav]

glad u made this movie review!! there are truely amazing animated pictures out there! Such big Influece on Holywood and Cyberpunk! Always makes me chuckle when im watching a new Blockbuster Movie and can draw parallels to older Anime works. U recently asked about great Anime Movies on Twitter so here another suggestion: The Tale of Princess Kaguya its Ghibli but produced by the the other founder of the Studio (Takahata) it was his last movie and imo his Masterpiece and better than anything Miyazaki has done. Its based on the oldest japanese Folktale dated back to the 9th century. Really raw emotions and gutwrenching at the end with unique Artdirection. Hope u can check it out someday :)

[@Ra_views]

Mamoru Oshii is a wonderful director who has a beautiful filmography. He's one of my favorite directors in anime and all time. Definitely try out the movie Angel's Egg. If you're trying to get deeper into some great anime I'd recommend Masaaki Yuasa as a director, he has a few films and a few very short series that are all widely different but explore some very cathartic themes across many different types of emotions and thoughts while remaining fun and bombastic.

[@aaronclemons2287]

Your point on the characters themselves I agree yet I think the focus was the overall story and concerns of the future of humanity. The T.V show allows more time for you to experience each character and their backgrounds. Then finally why they joined sec.8

[@rafaelrasillo7356]

Just walked out of the theater. Speechless and in awe.

[@marcos-ll2yr]

I hope you watch Paprika and Perfect Blue, this too are amazing.

[@ajbXYZcool]

For future reference, anime is the plural of anime

[@Porky7805]

The first film has a specific sense of pacing that reminds me of Sicario, with the brief moments of intense action sprinkled between investigations, preparations, and quiet ambient scenes of contemplating identity and the constant dread seeping into the characters' minds. I feel even the structure is similar.

[@Kikilang60]

Thanks. Always look forward to your videos.

[@YourBlackLocal]

Nolan uses a pretty decent amount of anime references. He clearly loves Satoshi Kon’s work.

[@elduderino4936]

satoshi kun lmaoo

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@elduderino4936 okay buddy, calm down it’s a typo

[@spacedoohicky]

What references does he use. I haven't noticed any. On the other hand I saw the Matrix references to GitS right away.

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@spacedoohicky Off my head, there is the mirror shattering in Inception that’s pretty one to one with one of Kon’s films I forgot the name.

[@spacedoohicky]

@@YourBlackLocal It's okay. I don't even remember that particular scenario in Inception. :)

[@krusnik94]

"Your child deserved that bullet" - Daniel Greene 2021

[@ivansmoll4818]

Great review Daniel. This has been one of those movies that I've meant to check out and just never have. I appreciate your critical dive and thoughtful analysis.

[@styxworm]

Earlier this year when I read Neuromancer it made me appreciate ghost in the shell even more, the way they took inspiration from the book and managed to get the visuals so perfectly right while also keeping it original is something I haven't seen anywhere else.

[@TheLizardKing752]

Loved GITS. I don't really watch much anime anymore but still a favorite. Daniel I would love to hear your take on Evangelion.

[@legendofgrimsby3290]

Hey man! Loved the vid, I think you’d really enjoy A Silent Voice and Anohana! Both have fantastic dubs and subs and are beautifully animated with stories that are just beautiful! Keep up the great work!

[@sarahhumpherys9638]

Everyone down here is talking about the movie and I'm sitting here thinking just that that was the most entertaining sponsor commercial I've ever seen in a youtube video.

[@spacedoohicky]

Part 2 is very good. The jitter you noticed is a product of time crunch. Some scenes in anime are given less frames to shorten the drawing time since they have less animators working on it, and short deadlines. You can see this in modern anime as well. You don't see this so much in American 2D animated films from something like Disney because they have a much larger animation crew to fill out the cells for frames, and long deadlines. Even old as heck Disney films are real smooth. But with anime some scenes get the jitter treatment, and still do to this day. Ghost In The Shell is actually an example of an anime that had less jitter than the average anime then, and now.

[@lobstereleven4610]

Well done, this is one of my favorite movies, full stop. It's influence on the genre is massive. The recent live action adaptation was... disappointing but then again, very rarely do live action adaptations of animated films work out well.

[@CoolMcCool01]

I got to see this in IMAX tonight, and it was truly amazing. The visuals, the soundtrack, the story were all so well executed it was almost overwhelming at times. Probably one of my all time favorite movie theater experiences. I even got a poster!

[@timitoe]

I cant wait for the goblin to watch and revieuw Cowboy Bebop

[@AudrenDev]

Watch Jin Roh next, its bloody amazing.

[@ab-hx2ii]

Agreed. Patlabor movie 2 is amazing too. Both done by mamoru oshii (GITS director).

[@tolgayatamturk2304]

The characters in Jin Roh were too unrealistic. No one behaves like that, expecially that weird simping girl

[@adamjscholte583]

You make an excellent point on Subs over Dubs.

[@curry2939]

It's crazy to see how much influence anime has had over the western media. I mean I don't think I've ever met anyone that hasn't heard of Dragon Ball Z and many other anime.

[@tolgayatamturk2304]

Sadly most of the good stuff is pretty old

[@loczek1965]

@@tolgayatamturk2304 That's not true. Time simply leaves only the finest things in memory. From what comes out today only a handful will be known as classics, and people will say the same about contemporary stuff.

[@tolgayatamturk2304]

@@loczek1965 i hope, but i doubt it

[@aaronclemons2287]

Edge of tomorrow!!! “Is all you need is kill” a one shot manga and can easily go into one of my favorites of all time. Yet no one gave any credit to the original works. I love the actors and the the adaptation was fantastic yet it did not give the original creation it due!

[@MasaokaKun]

On the Hollywood thing? Black Swan is almost a shot for shot rip-off of Satoshi Kon's Perfect Blue. There are entire scenes lifted from the anime and the basic plot line is the same. As far as I understand, the people behind that movie own the rights for Perfect Blue, but Black Swan's credits never even hint of it being an adaptation/rehash or whatever the term it is.

[@grandegotist8005]

Innocence is stellar, and Stand Alone Complex is well worth the watch as well. I would say on an aesthetic level Innocence is my favorite in the franchise, but Stand Alone Complex definitely delivers on the exploration of circumstance generated by technology to a far greater extent than either of the movies. Yoko Kanno's soundtrack is also a huge plus.

[@Shaomander]

If you enjoy Ghost in the Shell, definitely check out Perfect Blue. A movie by Satoshi Kon created in a time where you were allowed to do almost anything. Hollywood has taken many inspirations from this film such as Black Swan. It's a movie where multiple viewings will reveal more and more.

[@bencebotye3904]

The interesting thing about cyberpunk how influencial become at the aesthetic level. "Ghost in the Shell" and "Blade runner" defined a dirty vision of the future. However the subgenre is more about the human condition, and ourt coup with technology and artificial intelligence. I was surprised how many short stories of Phlip K. Dick and Asimov feel like purposly cyberpunk novels.

[@coldcoma]

Btw theres not only a Gits2 theres also an entire Anime series called Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex. Its considered good but its definitely a different type of story, less of a strong planned out narrative and more pulling its strength from some added character development and above all the continued quality of its world and atmosphere.

[@CruelDwarf]

Also Ghost in the Shell 2 is entirely different story with a focus on a different character. It is quite different but I sincerely recommend it to you especially as you professed preference for slow movies with exposition and world-building.

[@gracjanlekston134]

Western and Eastern media have a intresting relationship, since they tend to inspire each other in a cyclical nature. The most famous example is Samurai and Cowboy movies. Like there's so many examples of were anime is inspired by Western media, history, mythology. And so many examples were Hollywood is isnpired by Ghibli movies, sci-fi anime. It's gonna be intresting to see how that relationship evolves now with anime being as popular as it is, since the next generation of writers most likely will be fans of anime like Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, etc.

[@th3lonef0x4]

Now that your getting into manga more, would you consider reading the original manga for ghost in the shell? If it helps, you can get the original three manga in a box set. (Occasionally Manga can he hard to track down, especially if it's split into multiple books.)

[@lsdeann_3293]

I hope he does! The original books (comics/manga) are the high point of the franchise, but they've been ignored or forgotten by general audiences. I guess that's understandable, most viewers of any adaptation don't go on to read the books, but the GITS manga definitely needs some more love and appreciation!!

[@th3lonef0x4]

@@lsdeann_3293 What are the other GITS manga like? The ones they made for stand alone complex and arise? At the moment, my main focus is on getting the original three and the second movie.

[@th3lonef0x4]

​@@lsdeann_3293I've just ordered the complete hardback of the original manga and I'm planning on getting into Stand alone complex. As of writing this, I finished my first watch of G.I.T.S 2: Innocence about half and hour ago and I'm still processing it.

[@RG56538]

Big difference in smoothness in older anime vs newer is that the vast majority of current anime has CGI frame work with cell shading (if it isn't entirely CGI and yes I know GitS uses some CGI but that is used sparingly). That is the beauty of "classic" anime is the hand drawn aspect of it and sometimes you see the budget constraints in some scenes where they saved money for the big explosive combat sequences and expansive shots of the scenery. I grew up on 80's and 90's anime and yes there was a lot of crap but the really good ones IMO far outstrip current anime.

[@davidwilson6577]

Best musical introduction to a film ever.

[@RamenStains]

one of the most influential anime directors, Satoshi Kon, had instances where Hollywood directors would copy the concepts behind his scenes so blatantly that there was even court cases for it iirc seriously recommend checking his classic films Perfect Blue and Paprika especially

[@GamerPete101]

Still a favorite, it’s still up there with the Bladerunner films for me as top Cyberpunk films. I think I saw you receive a copy of the Battle Angel Alita manga, I hope to hear your thoughts on that angle of Japanese Cyberpunk. Lots of influence on Hollywood there too

[@gurentgc3546]

I really liked Blade Runner 2049... But I didn't liked the first one. I read the book before watching the movie and I was expecting more.

[@stuartwilson3842]

I have owned a copy of this masterpiece form vhs days and I rewatch it every few years and it never gets Old and I must say stand alone complex is well worth a watch if u find the time

[@nightlydata2181]

Psycho Pass is also a societal cyberpunk anime produced by the same Studio who do Ghost in the Shell so and it's just as good

[@depressedtv]

The original show Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is great.

[@Calebgoblin]

I didn't realize that there was a remaster coming and I am thrilled, because as a non-anime fan this is the anime film that I have been craving

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

13:14 yeah. When I watched "Perfect Blue" I constantly had "oh I have seen that before" moments.

[@forlorndespair2118]

Watch psycho pass..thats one of my fave..then steins;gate for slow burn..

[@masonpines6349]

I kind of liked the dub, but then, A) I was an anime fan back when the GitS dub was well above the standard, and B) I'm physically incapable of not liking Richard Epcar, (Batou). I will say Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, who took over the role of the Major for the subsequent sequels, prequels, spin-offs, etc, carries more nuance in her performance. But then it all. Ones to personal preference. Having said that it's nice to hear someone who appreciates the subtlety and atmosphere of slower-pacing when needed. Love to see it!

[@Leonzannanera]

I suggest watching Angel's Egg from Mamoru Oshii too, its one of the more autorial pieaces in the medium you can find, it is an incredible personal film and thematic unique

[@sweetlard2113]

Just watched this a couple days back with my wife. We both loved it. Bring your religious symbolism chops though.

[@cbalan777]

You can also draw similarities between Serial Experiments Lain and the Matrix. The "men in black" look very similar to the Matrix "Agents" Also, there is a really big film, which I won't say which draws heavily from a certain anime. Like, I can't believe no one has noticed, or if they have I haven't heard about it.

[@AniCryptoEarnings]

AVATAR

[@stviz87]

Serial Experiment Lain is amazing!

[@benjaminmolina3456]

Dude, Tokyo Godfathers.... shit will hit you so hard in the feels.

[@vol94]

The campfire ads never show rust

[@AroundTheCampfire]

the man doesn't miss

[@laf5755]

You should watch PATLABOR the movie and PATLABOR 2 (Directed by the same guy as Ghost in the Shell) especially PATLABOR 2, sometimes I Prefer it over GITS. Also PATLABOR 2 has one of my Favourite titles scene, some true ART there.

[@sgolson7911]

I believe the performances were meant to be robotic because most of the characters are cybernetically enhanced which distanced from their humanity. Though I can understand that may not be some people's cup of tea.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

The dub in Stand Alone Complex is an improvement. That series as a whole is great, I like the 1995 film, but SAC goes much deeper with concepts and characters, easily one of the best sci-fi anime I've seen.

[@Halfsight666]

Dude you gotta watch the 2 Vampire Hunter D films. Og is dated but bloodlust is gorgeous. Horror/sci-fi/fantasy. Amazing books as well. Both “might” be on this site.

[@aaronclemons2287]

This has always been my go to have you seen… movie for it was the beginning of many discussions and concepts. Having a main female lead who is more intelligent and strong than every coworkers is huge for the time and medium.

[@Geeko170]

I watch this movie at least once every few years. It’s just so good.

[@FranktheFurt]

Daniel hating on Hollywood for not respecting anime when up until really recently he was doing the exact same 😂 Glad he’s eyes are finally open to this amazing medium and the ways it can explore things differently from books or live action movies/television

[@nestrior7733]

I am now very curious about your take on Battle Angel Alita, or Gunnm. The manga is a contemporary to Ghost in the Shell and got a decent first part to its adaptation in 2019. I don't know how the 1993 OVA is, but that exists as well.

[@ab-hx2ii]

Someone sent him a copy of the manga. I think he will read it and review it one day aince he said he was always curious about it.

[@alsergogo2047]

Daniel you should watch season 1 of Psycho Pass! It’s short, well written, and explores some similar ideas!

[@forastero54321]

I haven’t seen this movie but it doesn’t sound like the original voice actress from the series. Damn, such an amazing time for tv and animation.

[@SillyMynabird]

Cool to hear your thoughts on a fantastic movie. Without getting too niche/anime hipster on you, I'd be interested to hear what you think about the move Angel's Egg by Mamoru Oshii.

[@lordofsraam]

My biggest peeve isn't that Hollywood (often times blatantly) borrows things/moments/concepts/ideas from anime (that's just art influencing art), but rather how little recognition or attribution is given to the source material or medium by directors, producers, etc. Though I suppose maybe there are legal/copyright issues they worry about, or maybe they're afraid if they even mention "anime" it'll hurt the marketability of their product because of the stigma still surrounding eastern animation.

[@KAvanAlten]

Does anyone recognize the blueish book with a lady on a horse right from him? It can be best seen around @ It is under his WoT books, right from the Warhammer books. I am just curious to know what it is.

[@JeffMPalermo]

I was thrilled to hear you speak about the bad English dubbing. Could NOT agree more.

[@JJsims5504]

I first watched this when I was in middle school, dubbed. Don't know how I managed to sit through it all. Guess I gotta go rewatch it subbed, now...

[@troikas3353]

Ghost in the Shell has been retold and readapted and sequeled many times and every single entry is very different. I'd approach the different iterations of GitS as closer to Hitchhikers Guide where every entry is intentionally different and may not entirely fit with what came before and may not seem necessary in itself. Quality varies, sometimes pretty greatly, between entries but I kinda appreciate that GitS has almost become something of a canvas for new creators to play with time after time.

[@phanton9983]

I would like to recommend the TV series GitS: Stand Alone Complex. One of my favorite shows and I would love to hear your thought on it.

[@metalknight5037]

Hey Daniel, you should also read 20th century boys, its one of the best manga

[@hocuskrocus602]

Loving all this anime/manga content! Great review 🙂👍 While it's certainly a very horrific film, I really think you should check out "Perfect Blue"!

[@Krustenkaese92]

I was kinda obsessed with GitS in my teens. It was a movie unlike anything else I had seen before. And it's still so enthralling and beautiful. I would actually recommend you check out the sequel. But temper your expectations. Whatever you expect, it's probably not gonna be that. Don't expect more of the same. For one, Batou is the protagonist and the Major is barely in it. But I still enjoyed it. Also the animation is incredible. GitS2 was the most expensive anime movie ever made, when it came out, I believe, and it shows. It's gorgeous. But when it comes to GitS, you could make the argument that the Stand Alone Complex series is the best incarnation of this story. As someone who was a massive fan of the 1995 movie, I was so excited for the SAC series and was so disappointed at first. The tone is vastly different. The almost philosophical and somber tone of the movie is gone. SAC is much closer to a spy series and police procedural. There's also a lot more humor. And the Major has such a ridiculous outfit in season 1 and all of that turned me off at first. But once I got over that and more into the story, SAC proved itself to be a much deeper look into this world (which should be expected. A 2 season tv show is gonna have more depth than an 80 minute movie). The Major as a character isn't anywhere near as despondent and actually HAS a character instead of just being a vessel to convey concepts with, so you'll like that. The plot is genuinely interesting amazing and tense. I ended up loving season 1 and then season 2 blew my fucking tits off. Season 2 of SAC is probably my favorite thing that has ever come out of the GitS franchise. And Yoko Kanno (Cowboy Bebop, anyone?) did the music for the SAC series, so you know its gonna rip .. and boy, does it.

[@anananana]

I'm so happy that Daniel is getting into anime/manga because I'm getting into it too right now.