Ghosts of K2

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David Snow

David Snow

2 жыл бұрын

A BBC documentary which explores the history of climbing K2, the mountaineers mountain. K2 is almost 800ft shorter than Everest, yet it’s a far harder climb. Many great mountaineers became obsessed with reaching its summit, not all of them lived to tell of their adventures. Capturing the depth of their obsession, the heart-stopping tension of the climb and delving into the controversy that still surrounds the first ascent, Mick Conefrey delivers the definitive account of the ‘Savage Mountain’.
From drug-addicted occultist Aleister Crowley to the brilliant but tortured expedition leader Charlie Houston and, later, the Italian duo who finally made it to the top, Conefrey resurrects the tragic heroes, eccentric dreamers and uncompromising rivalries forever instilled in K2’s legacy. This is the riveting, groundbreaking story of the world’s deadliest mountain.
Featuring:
Lino Lacedelli, Achille Compagnoni, Pete Schoening, Charlie Houston, Bob Bates, Ed Webster, Bill Putnam, Dudley Rochester, Bob Craig, George Bell, Tony Streather, Dee Molenaar.
Produced by Mark Conefrey
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@Xernvalt
@Xernvalt 2 жыл бұрын
31:20 Is the pinnacle of why mountaineering is not the same now as it was then. Above all else, all these lads knew that they needed to get their friends off that damn mountain.
@TailGunner1978
@TailGunner1978 2 жыл бұрын
And what was the result? Their friend died and they almost got killed trying to save him.The 3 sherpas in the first story were not so lucky,they died along with the guy they were trying to rescue. Mountaineering is not the same now as it was then because they realized that getting someone down of that altitude is impossible and they learned that from all those mistakes of the past. They don't lack compassion as you suggest.
@hearmenow909
@hearmenow909 2 жыл бұрын
@@TailGunner1978 It wasn't because it was impossible, it was because he stayed put, when he should have gone with them.
@JojoplusBo
@JojoplusBo 2 жыл бұрын
…..
@soookimbo6571
@soookimbo6571 2 жыл бұрын
@@TailGunner1978 I agree it would have torn them apart inside
@jenniwalker9180
@jenniwalker9180 2 жыл бұрын
@@TailGunner1978 in&&hhh&
@aewtx
@aewtx 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to me the ones who really deserve the recognition are the Sherpas. Seriously, it sounds like, in all these climbing stories, they wouldn't have been able to do it without the help of Sherpas.
@rogerpattube
@rogerpattube 2 жыл бұрын
Great insight you are really sharp.
@altair458
@altair458 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogerpattube are you British by chance??
@Al-jt3dw
@Al-jt3dw 2 жыл бұрын
Very true!! It’s important to recognize these guys who make it even possible for most of the people to climb these mountains. They are truly special people and it’s important not only to recognize their actions and efforts to keep climbers alive and safe, but to also acknowledge their beliefs and practices regarding these mountains and the land the sherpas inhabit. Mad respect for all the sherpas and porters
@ED-es2qv
@ED-es2qv 2 жыл бұрын
They do it for a living, and they take people up there that don’t belong up there. I’m not sure how to feel about that. On one hand, if I take people on a death defying boat ride, and some of them die, am I a hero for bringing back the ones that survived my boating?
@ShogunTen
@ShogunTen 2 жыл бұрын
They could do anything without sherpas. Without them no climbing
@michaelw6277
@michaelw6277 2 жыл бұрын
Pete Schoening… held a rope and saved nearly a half a dozen people all by himself… legend.
@nekograce7914
@nekograce7914 Жыл бұрын
The emotion I feel over that is just…immense. It was a miracle.
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 Жыл бұрын
The man is the hero, no need to talk about 'nearly half dozen', saving 5 guys with a single rope an ice axe and a rock is plenty magnificent.
@nekograce7914
@nekograce7914 Жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 right? The weight of 5 men plus the pull of gravity from the incline….that’s math I have no idea how to do. That’s miracle math. (Not good at normal math anyway)
@neceluv
@neceluv Жыл бұрын
Amazing.... Respect! To GOD be the Glory! 🙏🏾
@wgisgr8
@wgisgr8 Жыл бұрын
That entire crew was lucky to escape from that killer.
@Dobviews
@Dobviews 2 жыл бұрын
Cromwell sealed everyone's fate behind him by stripping the campsites bare. Also, spreading the food left behind to ensure no one had any, that IMHO was murderous behavior.
@kierancasey1135
@kierancasey1135 2 жыл бұрын
It’s must be a Cromwell thing look at what a Cromwell did in Ireland
@vukans595
@vukans595 2 жыл бұрын
And was first to put the blame on another (Wiessner) for his own murderous mistakes!
@realnapster1522
@realnapster1522 2 жыл бұрын
British empire did the same.
@gracerobertson8772
@gracerobertson8772 2 жыл бұрын
So messed up.
@marcphelan9883
@marcphelan9883 2 жыл бұрын
Cromwell is a dirty dirty word in Ireland, England's hero Cromwell is to the Irish the same as Hitler to the Jews
@lsvtecb18c1
@lsvtecb18c1 2 жыл бұрын
It's absolutely incredible that they have so much footage of those climbs.
@janiceadya5034
@janiceadya5034 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering while watching this - who is responsible for all this great footage, and how do they get the zoomed out shots, and from all those interesting angles? It's fascinating.
@CoolBreeze1232
@CoolBreeze1232 2 жыл бұрын
I believe a lot of this is recreated
@kch7051
@kch7051 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolBreeze1232 agreed, but any film at all of the journey still remarkable. I'm thankful, I can't get enough of these Himalayan peaks and the mountaineers who brave to climb them. The first 30 years though of attempts....those guys, all of them, just massive balls. No modern eqt, no oxygen, not enough years on the mountain to understand it yet for human kind......just big balls
@elysiumsnakefarm1185
@elysiumsnakefarm1185 2 жыл бұрын
Dudley had a camera and film on the mountain, though I had assumed it was a still shot camera.
@leonleon2276
@leonleon2276 Жыл бұрын
@@CoolBreeze1232 shut up
@vihockeyguy1
@vihockeyguy1 2 жыл бұрын
Cromwell had a lot of nerve accusing anyone else of murdering Dudley Wolfe. He very clearly is the man responsible for the death of Dudley and the sherpas, and he used the relative hatred of Germans in that era to save face and smear Veisner
@kch7051
@kch7051 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed...1940, got the onus off his back by the simple fact Wiesner was a German- Cromwell was a reckless, know nothing idiot
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 4 ай бұрын
Especially given he was so clueless of anything happening up where Wolfe was to have already left them all for dead.
@noorussabahtauqeer9709
@noorussabahtauqeer9709 3 ай бұрын
Wiessner ran with the Cromwell story though and blamed Jack Durrance. Truly appalling.
@qkljd
@qkljd 3 ай бұрын
I thought you meant Oliver
@wgisgr8
@wgisgr8 23 күн бұрын
Yep, I agree
@WithDiameter
@WithDiameter 2 жыл бұрын
“He didn’t invite me to go and I wouldn’t have anyway” relatable
@Thornspyre81
@Thornspyre81 10 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing!
@rachaelghostcat8584
@rachaelghostcat8584 2 жыл бұрын
Even I know that you don't destroy base camps in case any unknown survivors come down off the mountain later. You always leave shelter and survival gear for them to find. I have only respect and admiration for these men. If I had been Fritz I would have gone nuts with rage.
@Jacqueline888
@Jacqueline888 10 ай бұрын
that must be how all the garage ends up there.
@goddammitalana
@goddammitalana 5 ай бұрын
It wasn't base camp that they dismantled, it was actually every camp with the exception of the base camp that was dismantled, as the rest of the team was still living at the base camp, preparing to break down the base camp & leave, having presumed fritz & the last sherpa to have already died, just like dudley & the 3 of the 4 sherpa whom made up the rescue team sent back up to retrieve dudley from his filth.
@mirihildhye2381
@mirihildhye2381 10 ай бұрын
I am so sad about the three sherpas that went to save one man, and all disappeared. What a tragic, unnecessary loss of life.
@waitaminute2015
@waitaminute2015 10 ай бұрын
Poverty can make some do unimaginable things.
@TC-dw6wg
@TC-dw6wg 10 ай бұрын
As can a paycheck.
@frankG335
@frankG335 17 күн бұрын
Every. F'ing. Time, man. Every time.
@TerlinguaTalkeetna
@TerlinguaTalkeetna 14 күн бұрын
All risk/rewards look differently after a real price has been paid. It's clearly sad and somewhat tragic for sure. I remember walking 2x4 plates on 2 story houses with a 60' fall on two sides of the house for min wage in Austin Tx in 1979. It was a job I chose to do just like the sherpas that could kill me. It was necessary to eat.
@lesflynn4455
@lesflynn4455 2 жыл бұрын
Losing their crampons would have been totally devastating. Imagine seeing that critical equipment falling off the mountain, totally unrecoverable.
@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276
@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 2 жыл бұрын
“If you don’t I give you a bash with this ice axe” might be the funniest goddamn thing I’ve heard in a climbing doc. 🤣
@Graid
@Graid 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I know, especially the English dubbing's line delivery there. And then he gave him his glove!
@martharunstheworld
@martharunstheworld 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing story! The climbers who did it without oxygen, before there were fancy tools and gear, who did it out of a driving need deep within......it's always incredible.
@herbsuperb6034
@herbsuperb6034 2 жыл бұрын
Takes guts to do it even WITH all that fancy gear. I just can't imagine feeling THAT far from comfort and civilization. Not for everyone :-). I've always respected mountaineers, even though I think them mad.
@paulegladu4963
@paulegladu4963 7 күн бұрын
Égocentriques
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 5 күн бұрын
@@paulegladu4963probably, but being a climber isn’t a prerequisite for being self centered. We’re inundated with them here on flat ground.
@LikeAGentlemanPlease
@LikeAGentlemanPlease 2 жыл бұрын
The cameraman needs a documentary. He endured so much and survived! While having to starve while they descended. So this goes out to *”Jim”* the camera guy!
@GTFBITK
@GTFBITK Жыл бұрын
Did you just assume the camera person's gender? You monster!
@oneshothunter9877
@oneshothunter9877 10 ай бұрын
Camera man never dies.
@AmyAnnLand
@AmyAnnLand 10 ай бұрын
The camerathem
@GG-jw8pt
@GG-jw8pt 10 ай бұрын
@@AmyAnnLand Are you mocking the dead?
@cantor0305
@cantor0305 8 ай бұрын
they just respawn@@oneshothunter9877
@michaelpcooksey5096
@michaelpcooksey5096 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding documentary. Sooo glad to see the survivors give personal input ... HONEST reactions. I tried climbing near Cheyenne Mountain while in service around 1963-4 with a few Army buddies. At one point I found myself stuck and not able to go up or down. We had no climbing gear, just army boots and clothing. Prayer got me out of it. After that we went on the road that wound around and stayed at the resort on the top overnight before taking transportation down. NORAD was in place. That ended my climbing career.
@evab.6240
@evab.6240 2 жыл бұрын
"The other were either young or inexperienced, or old and inexperienced." Savage 😂
@earth2becky
@earth2becky 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that Cromwell bore a lot more responsibility for mistakes of the first expedition than he's been given. He should never abandoned the party without waiting it out longer, &/or at least leaving them food and shelter.
@user-nx9uc6nr3c
@user-nx9uc6nr3c Жыл бұрын
I'd have taken Cromwells life right then and there when I caught him. He'd be dead. Period.
@ir0n392
@ir0n392 Жыл бұрын
100% I think it highly likely that had he stayed and kept the other camps above stocked with enough resources and comforts (as comfortable as you can up there lol) then its very possible it would have been summited in 1939. Also makes me think had there been no ww2 a lot of these mountains most likely would've been summited much earlier
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 Жыл бұрын
Yes there clearly was a roastbeef stab in the back reflex by the Briton against the old fashioned German. But what makes it far worse is that crumywell accused Wissner of having killed Dudley just to evade his flagrant responsibility. Hate to say this but British are known for this kind of actions when things don't turn their way or when they're guilty. History has shown it on numerous occasions.
@thomasgrisewood-baker7120
@thomasgrisewood-baker7120 Жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646he was an American climber tho ??
@legitbeans9078
@legitbeans9078 10 ай бұрын
Cromwell was a vile coward. Much like the other one of the same name. The Brits have always been good at stabbing "foreigners" in the back.
@MH-nc5jd
@MH-nc5jd 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like that Cromwell guy is the real villain here.. he legit was trying to make sure no story came back but his story..
@achaides
@achaides 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously! His whiney ass should have just gone home at the start when he didn't want to be there!
@dann6067
@dann6067 2 жыл бұрын
Cromwell's party was the first to leave the karakoram, and when they reached srinagar, Cromwell made sure to disseminate his view of the events to the media, before fritz had any chance to do so. Cromwell really seemed to have a problem with Fritz, so much so that he put the lives of everyone in danger. I've never seen more cowardly and petty behaviour from anyone in mountain climbing.
@shiningstar2903
@shiningstar2903 4 ай бұрын
Are there interviews of crowmell about this?
@swaggahninjaRob83
@swaggahninjaRob83 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing those two tents at 26:55....quite an eerie sight. Left behind when the three sherpas never came back down, the packs and gear sitting as they were left, 15 years before. Can't imagine what it must have been like to come across the silent remnants of the '39 disaster.
@BeBopScraBoo
@BeBopScraBoo 2 жыл бұрын
the way they built things back then, the tea was probably still warm.
@johnforeman634
@johnforeman634 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible fortitude and determination by these men. However, I’ll never understand the desire to do this.
@jeanettecook1088
@jeanettecook1088 2 жыл бұрын
"I don't know why, but I think we'll never see Dudley again." What a quote.... this was an amazing and fascinating story. Thank you. 👏
@skintslots
@skintslots 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not into mountaineering at all but these mountaineering documentaries are fascinating. They seem to be more about the human spirit of adventure,hardship and survival all rolled into one.
@jen-a-purr
@jen-a-purr 10 ай бұрын
They are very fascinating. I don’t have an ache in my body to climb any of those mountains. I watch them to understand why anyone else would dare want to.
@alicat1328
@alicat1328 10 ай бұрын
Me too! I would not do it - afraid of heights - but addicted to mountain climbing videos.
@pleasuretokill
@pleasuretokill 2 жыл бұрын
Love these old climbing docs. I think I've seen most of them that are online now. I have a crazy fear of heights but a love of mountains, so this is the only way I will see these mountains lol. The guys who did it back in the day with limited technology or help are truly insane individuals
@MrBwganbrain0029
@MrBwganbrain0029 2 жыл бұрын
Annapurna the hard way
@pleasuretokill
@pleasuretokill 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBwganbrain0029 seen it probably 5 times
@dddevchonka
@dddevchonka 2 жыл бұрын
Same here :) I'm afraid of the relatively small height when you look down and can see all the details there. But somehow I'm not afraid to fly on a plane, and these mountains' summits... it must be like flying in the sky :)
@allen2879
@allen2879 2 жыл бұрын
@@dddevchonka lol im the exact same way, love to fly but 2 stories up looking over the ledge i get fear lol
@3a.m.284
@3a.m.284 2 жыл бұрын
Huh? What’s stopping you from summiting mountains? Your fear that’s not founded in reality?
@susanbrown2909
@susanbrown2909 2 жыл бұрын
“If Id been married ,I wouldn’t of gone.” What a considerate man. A great documentary thanks.
@debarchan123
@debarchan123 2 жыл бұрын
*have
@carolgeorgeson9632
@carolgeorgeson9632 2 жыл бұрын
I so wish mothers thought that way these days
@luvsilly60
@luvsilly60 2 жыл бұрын
Saw one documentary where a married doctor lost his hands to frost bite. He was not retired. Dumb and inconsiderate.
@geoffletkemann653
@geoffletkemann653 2 жыл бұрын
@@luvsilly60 his story was dramatized in the movie Everest.
@krichardt
@krichardt 2 жыл бұрын
@@luvsilly60 he is still alive and does motivational speaking. And he is well off
@nikkikidd8428
@nikkikidd8428 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I am weird but I truly love listening to the stories of men and women who have lived for so much longer than me. Watching their faces you can see their younger selves shine through and they are no longer the stereotypical slow, boring and forgetful souls that many of us ignorant and naive people assume they are. There’s so much wisdom to be shared and we should all be begging to hear anything they have to say. And it’s not about whether or not they agree with our way of thinking and living nor is it about disagreeing with the way they lived their lives. It’s about getting lost in the stories of which we cannot and will not ever experience ourselves. It’s about enjoying the time spent listening, letting our guard down and being drawn into the passion and heartache of people that brought us into this world. It’s watching how time and circumstance fades away leaving only the truth and emotion bringing forth exactly who they were,are and always will be regardless of age or how much time they have left. Their faces become animated but at the same time the wrinkles of life disappear completely making it obvious that every single one us never feel as old as we are and it is only our bodies, our mode of transportation, the vessel in which we exist that dies.
@Al-jt3dw
@Al-jt3dw 2 жыл бұрын
The obvious written as if it’s philosophy. Just silly.
@maryannswanson3832
@maryannswanson3832 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you put it! I think you are talking about all the wonderful life stories , we can enjoy, from older people. Also the way the older face becomes almost young when sharing some fasinating tale that is important in their memories. AND we need to listen to the stories of elders.
@maryannswanson3832
@maryannswanson3832 2 жыл бұрын
I love what you said, really well put!! ,🤔🤗💖
@manda.watching.YouTube
@manda.watching.YouTube 2 жыл бұрын
You sound like someone that will age well (or maybe already has) ❤️
@twistoffate4791
@twistoffate4791 2 жыл бұрын
@@Al-jt3dw Why behave like such a jerk on this channel? What do you gain?
@markbelmares7138
@markbelmares7138 2 жыл бұрын
The Sherpas are the unsung heroes of mountaineering. Without them mountaineering would be 10.times more difficult.
@michaelbailey5736
@michaelbailey5736 Жыл бұрын
Nobody else in the world would carry espresso makers up a mountain for wealthy goofballs
@denniscrowley9965
@denniscrowley9965 9 күн бұрын
Tell that to rheinhold messner who climbed solo no support but his wife at Basecamp. Solo no oxygen no Sherpas from Tibet north face route
@dbcarroll19
@dbcarroll19 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Absolutely riveting. I had heard of Pete Schoening, but had no idea of what he and his fellow climbers endured. An extraordinary tale of heroism, sacrifice, suffering, and teamwork. Excellent production!
@doncarmack5132
@doncarmack5132 10 ай бұрын
Yes that was a great documentary
@6Haunted-Days
@6Haunted-Days 7 ай бұрын
But but it’s only sherpas who deserve recognition riiiight. Being sarcastic
@JojoplusBo
@JojoplusBo 2 жыл бұрын
“ well, we did I best, this is it”. Here we are listening to these mountaineers that survived that “ hell slide “ down K2 with one man, Peter Shoening having all lives in the palm of his hand and ice pic … and saving them …WOW what an accolade!!
@gdbriot1162
@gdbriot1162 2 жыл бұрын
People who climb mountains should not be called a hero, people who save the people who climb mountains should be called a hero.
@AlanMydland-fq2vs
@AlanMydland-fq2vs 2 ай бұрын
sherpas❤
@09purpledyer
@09purpledyer Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent documentary. The narrator did a wonderful job. The interviews with the climbers gave it a more realistic feeling. I have listened to many mountain climbing videos and I enjoyed this one the most. Thank you.
@twilightpurpleglow
@twilightpurpleglow 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing Video thank you. Fritz Wiessner a true "Hero" fantastic to see a man with such love and determination; he enjoyed mountain climbing. I pray Dudley Wolfe did not suffer, he was the least capable to ascend, yet while all others return he stayed with Fritz and the Sherpa until he could no more. RIP. The views are breath taking. Excellent documentary.
@LA_Viking
@LA_Viking 2 жыл бұрын
I would be apprehensive on a K2 expedition. I would be scared to death on an Annapurna expedition. The most frightening and disturbing part of this whole documentary? The fact that there is a "Cromwell" in every crowd.
@pawelmorrison
@pawelmorrison 2 жыл бұрын
These old timey climbers achieving those peaks dressed more or less like a modern new york hipster are so damn impressive.
@laurabell48
@laurabell48 2 жыл бұрын
I still admire Fritz! The Sherpa not wanting to summit, and the other Sherpas, thinking everyone is dead, empties all the camps, how is any of that Fritz's fault?
@K.Spade7902
@K.Spade7902 2 жыл бұрын
Ikr. Not Fritz's fault
@Yuuphonixx
@Yuuphonixx 2 жыл бұрын
At the end, Fritz was still acknowledged for his hard work by the AAC. He definitely did not do anything wrong. Eaton Cromwell was nothing more than a peak bagger, so the Karakoram was way out of his league, which also lead to the "crump" feeling during expeditions as described by Ed Viesturs. Dr. Houston definitely did not feel that way and still resented Fritz a lot. It truly saddened me that Eaton's decisions left Fritz living with that guilt for the rest of his life. Fritz very well could've been the first man to summit K2 as he was in the best shape of his life.
@buckfideniimd8546
@buckfideniimd8546 2 жыл бұрын
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? well you missed the point of what was said, you were too busy licking Sherpa sack. Frizl did listen to the guide and respected his views on the mountain spirits. He acquiesced to that and went back down. You are correct about Cromwell he was totally in it for himself and would fit well into the sorry lot of today’s climbers. Read things before you spout off that’s advice good for a lifetime. You’re welcome 😉
@OffTheWagons
@OffTheWagons 2 жыл бұрын
After WWI Germans were hated
@deubie0211
@deubie0211 2 жыл бұрын
I totaly agree.
@andrewmcneil2110
@andrewmcneil2110 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how tough these old men have been. Each as hard as rock yet quiet and unassuming.
@fr-tigerfangs7039
@fr-tigerfangs7039 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this documentary. I can never get enough of these firsts. Mountaineering is such a demanding activity, and considering that a bunch of these guys summitted 8000m+ mountains with very primitive climbing gear is a true testimony to their courage and hardship. Thx!
@azbestusa8107
@azbestusa8107 2 жыл бұрын
David thank you, keep doing excellent work finding forgotten documentaries and putting them in one place we all can find !
@AMG-316
@AMG-316 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you very very much Mr. Snow!!
@Bob-Horse
@Bob-Horse 2 жыл бұрын
I remember attending many years ago, a fascinating talk and presentation by mountaineer Doug Scott, where he mentioned this very mountain. R.I.P. Doug.
@alpsofsilence1461
@alpsofsilence1461 2 жыл бұрын
Extraordinary documentary. It is fantastic to see the faces and hear the voices of men we all have read so much about, and hear the tale of their efforts from their own mouth. Absolutely extraordinary.
@Noor.Quran81
@Noor.Quran81 2 жыл бұрын
Are these the videos made by them. All sbots???
@brucegwynn8509
@brucegwynn8509 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Fritz was a bad ass, thanks for this david, I love this story, been looking for this one,
@jeannibarber1799
@jeannibarber1799 2 жыл бұрын
Tragic shame he didnt make the ascent. He deserved it more than anyone. Would have changed the history of alpinism.
@b.w.22
@b.w.22 2 жыл бұрын
To my thinking, the guy with his bag packed who’d stripped the lower camps is more culpable than any for the losses on K2 on Fritz’s expedition.
@spiderfan1974
@spiderfan1974 2 жыл бұрын
It didn't happen in modern times with modern technology. They had no idea that they weren't in the camp when the avalanche happened. They made a choice based on an educated guess. They chose poorly in hindsight. But hindsight is always 20/20 now isn't it?
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
@GeneralKenobiSIYE 2 жыл бұрын
@@spiderfan1974 That was bullshit he WANTED to believe. With zero actual evidence.
@b.w.22
@b.w.22 2 жыл бұрын
@@spiderfan1974 - I see that and you’re right that it’s very hard to judge the actions of people from another era operating under circumstances that we can’t fully understand. At the same time, it was said that stripping camps as they did in the timeframe that they did was considered, at least by some, to be pretty outrageous. I think what I took issue with the most was that, upon arrival back to the States, the deputy-leader began to accuse Wiessner of the negligent murder of Dudley. Surely leaving Dudley at the high camp was a grave error, but the summit team had every reason to expect supplies to be at the lower camps. Perhaps Weissner was a terrible leader and perhaps he made bad decisions after his failed summit, but to be accused of murder by someone who’s decisions also played a part in the calamity seems a little outrageous to me. But again, point taken and all of this has me wanting to learn more about that expedition.
@GratifyMeNow13
@GratifyMeNow13 2 жыл бұрын
Totally concur. They wanted to believe the news of the avalanche wiping out the team higher up so they could go home and write their own narrative stead of making sure by double checking to see if someone had survived. It was a callous decision informed by their hatred of Weissener and later they tried to absolve themselves of their portion of the blame.
@wantsacobra
@wantsacobra 2 жыл бұрын
seems like it was every man for himself somewhat 😕
@Chessterguy
@Chessterguy 2 жыл бұрын
The Art Gilkey story is one of the most classic stories mountaineering. It really cool to hear the story in their own voices.
@kevinbrooks1104
@kevinbrooks1104 2 жыл бұрын
It came out later he cut the ropes himself to save the friends ,,that were trying to save him. That's why the good Dr went temporary amnesia in order to deal with the death of his friend.
@Koakoa45
@Koakoa45 Жыл бұрын
So nice to see a documentary about other mountains besides Everest. So many people have died on others that just go unsaid.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 4 ай бұрын
There's a brilliant one on youtube on the 1970 British summit of Annapurna I's south face.
@LumocolorARTnr1319
@LumocolorARTnr1319 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so mad at the cowards that stripped the all camps and left them to die.
@8531022
@8531022 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, Cromwell.
@DavidSnowClimbing
@DavidSnowClimbing 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome
@doberman1ism
@doberman1ism 2 жыл бұрын
In 1909 The Duke Of The Abruzzi a great mountaineer attempted to climb K2. There is a pass there named after him The Abruzzi Ridge. Read the book The Duke Of The Abruzzi An Explorers Life. He also adventured to Mount Saint Elias in Alaska.
@runlarryrun77
@runlarryrun77 2 жыл бұрын
Oh. My. God. I've been waiting for someone to upload this series for years. I was periodically searching for it for ages but gave up hope. Popped up in my recommended. Thank you so much!
@DavidSnowClimbing
@DavidSnowClimbing 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@runlarryrun77
@runlarryrun77 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSnowClimbing Do you have the other episodes from the series? I seem to remember the one about The Matterhorn was particularly engaging.
@shroomiestshroom3655
@shroomiestshroom3655 2 жыл бұрын
44:08 probably the greatest voice over acting ive ever heard, pure passion :P
@nicolangel0
@nicolangel0 2 жыл бұрын
hahaha absolutely
@paddlefaster
@paddlefaster 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary! Climbing was so different back then. I remember reading about Maurice Herzog conquering Annapurna. He had to climb something like 4 20,000' Peaks just to get to Annapurna.
@elenchusexperience1493
@elenchusexperience1493 Жыл бұрын
The patience and stoicism of the sherpas to allow Dudley another day to decide to come down the mountain, in doing so giving their lives, is incomprehensible.
@nathanigel
@nathanigel 11 ай бұрын
They fulfil their dharma until death
@teddyjackson1902
@teddyjackson1902 10 ай бұрын
Kind of like being scared of night demons and refusing to summit. The picture of stoicism.
@elenchusexperience1493
@elenchusexperience1493 10 ай бұрын
@@teddyjackson1902 lol fair
@coolcat8b
@coolcat8b 10 ай бұрын
That was not stoicism, nor patience. That was "yes yes boss man, whatever you say". What they should have done, since they were experienced mountaineers, was realize the man couldn't make any kind of decision to save himself, and go back down, with him if possible.
@elenchusexperience1493
@elenchusexperience1493 10 ай бұрын
@@coolcat8b depends on one’s perspective and the mindset of the sherpa.
@venupaliyath786
@venupaliyath786 Жыл бұрын
I am only a trekker from kerela in India.But I love mountains n snow peaks a lot. I have lots of respect for sherpas n mountaineers for their courage. May all the souls RIP who gave their lives on various peaks. ♥️❤️🙏
@westonsudduth782
@westonsudduth782 10 ай бұрын
👍🙏🏼
@rebelbelle62
@rebelbelle62 2 жыл бұрын
I dont feel like Fritz was at fault. I feel like Dudley had a desire to die on that mountain. Imo .Even his nephew said when he'd gone, his dad said they'd never see him again. There was something in his demeanor he had picked up on subconsciously. He continued to refuse to come down, were they supposed to drag him down the mountain kicking and screaming? He was actually the cause of the 3 going back up dying because of his continually refusing to do what he should have done, they returned again to try and get him to come down and never made it back. Fritz was no more to blame then the expedition all those years later were at fault, for the death on their climb. Any hidden medical conditions become visible climbing just as they do in deep diving. Your playing Russian roulette when you engage in extreme sports only your not using a gun. Cromwell committed what was tantamount to homicidal actions, and bears more responsibility then anyone! If your going to judge anyone he's at the top of the list. Imo
@LumocolorARTnr1319
@LumocolorARTnr1319 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, Fritz was not to blame at all, it was the coward that ordered all the camps to be stripped that is to blame. Dudley was a true badass just like Fritz and he stayed in a stripped camp thinking they would continue with the plan once the others just go one camp lower and get supplies. Little did he know, as well as Fritz and the other guy that all camps below was also stripped. Dudleys decision to stay when rescue came the first time was not a sane decision. He was weakened and suffered from low oxygen in the brain after being so high up for days. His brain did not work and his decisions where not made by reasoning or his willpower, he was in a severe deadly physical condition.
@dann6067
@dann6067 2 жыл бұрын
@@LumocolorARTnr1319 spot on assessment.
@roadpizza3470
@roadpizza3470 Жыл бұрын
No one is to blame save the climber. It’s a near death experience and you should not take anyone down with you…
@slappy8941
@slappy8941 Жыл бұрын
With friends like Cromwell, you don't need any enemies.
@gehlen52
@gehlen52 8 күн бұрын
"Been there done that, that was it." Words of true wisdom.
@bharathg9010
@bharathg9010 2 жыл бұрын
one of the very greatest documentary that I have ever watched about K2.... #k2mylove .
@TheRustedShackleford
@TheRustedShackleford 10 ай бұрын
Cromwell tearing down the camps behind him on the first attempt is tantamount to murder. Couldnt umagine trusting the man with my life after that.
@anumsayed1220
@anumsayed1220 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much david for giving this beautiful yet forgotten memories to the world.
@ilkkarautio9927
@ilkkarautio9927 Жыл бұрын
Fritz was done dirty, just like that man "who didnt belong there" yet managed to actually climb further than any of them.
@nadiagunthard9290
@nadiagunthard9290 2 жыл бұрын
On my annual watch of K2 and Everest documentaries 😅😇
@twistedleft1060
@twistedleft1060 2 жыл бұрын
Worked with the Italian Army's Alpini Soldiers briefly. They were great mountain troops. They would ski down any mountain around.
@gregorypayne4712
@gregorypayne4712 2 ай бұрын
Hi guys,as a retired architect it’s been fantastic to watch you attack this project using modern equipment and traditional construction details. You’ve rapidly become a favourite.Thank you
@GangstarComputerGod
@GangstarComputerGod 4 ай бұрын
It’s so nice to see the guys talking about not going further because they have families. It’s one of the most frustrating things about so many of the deaths still happening. The ones that choose to put their lives at severe risk despite having children that depend on them deserve no respect.
@deannilvalli6579
@deannilvalli6579 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this great film! There is a biography of Fritz Wiessner, though I think it may only be available in German. It tells a somewhat different version of events. Wiessner makes a pretty good case as to why he was treated very unfairly. He was also, along with Hans Kraus, the person who popularised the Shawangunks as a climbing area, making many of the first ascents there, and made the first sporting ascent of Devil's Tower in WY. He also was an early president of the UIAA, and helped set standards for clean climbing based on the ethics of his hometown climbing area, the Sächsische Schweiz. There are more accounts of his life in various older editions of the American Alpine Journal. I really enjoyed this film!
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 Жыл бұрын
Just like the Greeks had only bad things to say about their enemies the Persians. Britons are never kind with Germans and this is an anglo documentary.
@deannilvalli6579
@deannilvalli6579 Жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 Except it is entirely one-sided. Germans have no special feelings whatsoever regarding Britons- no feelings of rivalry or "enemies" or such. Britain thinks it is a rival to Germany, but Germany is in another league entirely.
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 Жыл бұрын
@@deannilvalli6579 ​ @Dean Nilvalli Apparently German ways of being is antipathetic to British. But they're both descendant of different barbarians that mixed with Romans. But i think it has something more to do with the high presence of Gews ( about mispelling : youtube totalitarians paranoids returned a "an error occured" fake coward way of censoring comment for absolutely no valid reason) in British financial places and their dominance of British medias and WW2. But already before WW1 britons felt threatened by the German navy, French who were their original royalty conquerors and Spanish after the big spanish armada tried to conquest their Island.
@ajc94
@ajc94 Жыл бұрын
This is an old people thing I think. I'm 28 and I think the younger generation doesn't have any bad feeling towards Germans
@henrymorgan3982
@henrymorgan3982 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone wanting to experience that tragedy TWICE is completely nuts. Although they are out there! Great video.
@ripple_on_the_ocean
@ripple_on_the_ocean 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is the best on youtube right now. THANK YOU 😘
@venupaliyath786
@venupaliyath786 Жыл бұрын
Congrats for the production team who made this documentary possible. Thanx. Expecting more wonderful climbing videos. 👍🏻❤️
@rollingedges9469
@rollingedges9469 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this. I've been looking for it! Better than any Mt. Everest documentary!
@Yuuphonixx
@Yuuphonixx Жыл бұрын
Any documentary of an 8000m peak besides Everest and Lhotse is much better. I wished they had one on Kangchenjunga.
@8chinese-lantern
@8chinese-lantern Жыл бұрын
Отличный фильм, спасибо за освещение этих старинных историй. Человеческое любопытство и желание все узнать движет нас вперед, в горы, на дно океана, в космос.
@trickjones3345
@trickjones3345 8 ай бұрын
An incredible film. A great narrator.
@ameerali_
@ameerali_ 2 жыл бұрын
Thank for uploading the classic legendary of mountaineering
@DavidSnowClimbing
@DavidSnowClimbing 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@ingehumphries8039
@ingehumphries8039 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I truly enjoyed it❤️👍🏻
@richardkeilig4062
@richardkeilig4062 5 ай бұрын
The teams, sherpas, and porters in all of the expeditions were amazing.
@hni7458
@hni7458 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most fantastic narration I've ever heard - like if Shackleton had stepped in, in the flesh giving his story about Elephant island. Extraordinary! Gets you to realize how dear life is - one doesn't see that all the time...
@dianeaustin2414
@dianeaustin2414 2 жыл бұрын
Except Shackleton was a very great leader of men. Not one man was lost in the whole of his expedition. Remarkable.
@jeeplife2035
@jeeplife2035 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched this documentary 4 times now and still get caught up in this excellent video
@Crashed131963
@Crashed131963 2 жыл бұрын
They almost made it , 15 years before Everest was climbed and a harder mountain to climb.
@lisaharrod8386
@lisaharrod8386 Жыл бұрын
I've watched this doc a dozen times...it's just so damned compelling and well-told. Listening to the survivors of the Houston/Bates expedition is so brutally honest and poignant... and "The Belay"... it's better than the first summit...way better than tales of Everest! It's ironic that Pete Schoning and his nephew were on Everest in 1996. Some people lead Very full lives!?
@maryannswanson3832
@maryannswanson3832 2 жыл бұрын
These guys are real athletes, training and preparing so the were able to work together in such severe conditions.
@golden1789
@golden1789 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you David Snow - I watch everything
@debbiemurphy2512
@debbiemurphy2512 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the great upload
@DavidSnowClimbing
@DavidSnowClimbing 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@richardkeilig4062
@richardkeilig4062 5 ай бұрын
This group displayed amazing courage.
@melodylynn4504
@melodylynn4504 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Documentary! It is done so well that a person feels their emotions. Thank you so much! Very brave people!
@uglytothebone6253
@uglytothebone6253 2 жыл бұрын
All greatness is built on the shoulders of those before!
@Nanku42
@Nanku42 2 жыл бұрын
indeed
@angelapowell2366
@angelapowell2366 2 жыл бұрын
What an extraordinary story, fascinating.
@sophiaangelini4368
@sophiaangelini4368 2 жыл бұрын
Astonishing story beautifully captured. Thank you.
@joeloseiga5508
@joeloseiga5508 2 жыл бұрын
What a documentary! Thank you so much.
@heatherlabelle5462
@heatherlabelle5462 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the upload, great documentary
@Somnath_Goswami
@Somnath_Goswami 2 жыл бұрын
This is a pathetic effort to keep Abruzzi out of people's memory.
@Somnath_Goswami
@Somnath_Goswami 2 жыл бұрын
নাটুকে
@xxx...pyxidis
@xxx...pyxidis 2 жыл бұрын
awe inspiring - thank you for this documentary
@DavidSnowClimbing
@DavidSnowClimbing 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@antonialeitz9179
@antonialeitz9179 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing docco, Thank you for bringing it to us :)
@lisaharrod8386
@lisaharrod8386 Жыл бұрын
David...your channel has the Best climbing stuff! Thank you so much!
@joeymarie72
@joeymarie72 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else on a David Snow binge fest right now? 🙋
@elguapo42
@elguapo42 2 жыл бұрын
Its my sleepytime tea rn
@l.sueszabo9618
@l.sueszabo9618 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, what the hell are we all doing hete right now?
@joeymarie72
@joeymarie72 2 жыл бұрын
@@l.sueszabo9618 Living vicariously, perhaps? Lol Except for all the death of course.
@suestoons
@suestoons 2 жыл бұрын
🙋‍♀️ I don't know how I ended up here but I've just gone to his videos and hit "Play All". In it for the long haul.🧓
@PetraKann
@PetraKann 2 жыл бұрын
David Snow
@soyrocinante1455
@soyrocinante1455 2 жыл бұрын
K2 never been ascended without the previous steps of these amazing pioners and without the work of the great Walter Bonatti and the sherpa Madhi.
@amandadassonville4043
@amandadassonville4043 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you remembered the sherpha. 🐝
@soyrocinante1455
@soyrocinante1455 2 жыл бұрын
All the Sherpas and Balti people are co-starrings of mountaneering. Real heroes, great people, and amazing human beings.
@saund102
@saund102 2 жыл бұрын
There definitely had to be a first to fix the ropes at House’s chimney
@Yuuphonixx
@Yuuphonixx Жыл бұрын
Amir Medhi is not a Sherpa, but he was a Hunza high altitude porter.
@mangoeater5624
@mangoeater5624 Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm so impressed of this documentary. Thanks for sharing this gem!!! All the best / JJ
@sadiasuleman1102
@sadiasuleman1102 2 жыл бұрын
What a great documentary, thanks for sharing with us those scary stories
@petersimpson9852
@petersimpson9852 2 жыл бұрын
I love being part of a sporting team but would never compete to die
@stephaniekaye8102
@stephaniekaye8102 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Fritz... I can't believe that all of those men just LEFT them up there to DIE. There's seriously no two ways about it!! They knew deep down that they were basically giving them a death sentence by leaving without knowing for sure that they were dead, and then to STRIP THE CAMP? Pour the food out on the snow? Oh my god, that is seriously like a slap in the face to top it all off! How dare they take everything not even knowing for sure that they were dead? Those other men should be ASHAMED of themselves... What really happened on that mountain we will never really know for sure. Murder? That is something we can be sure of! They didn't care if they were alive or not they wanted to make sure if they were alive that they would starve or freeze by stripping those camps like that... no way Dudley was going to be able to survive the decent with no camps set up for him to get back to a healthy state!! Fritz was lucky he was so strong!! God bless him! God forsake Cromwell!
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 4 ай бұрын
His story started to sound a lot like William Bligh's after a while.
@demiljim306
@demiljim306 3 ай бұрын
Fritz was a tough dude. No oxygen, a pack of heaters..........props to him!
@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS
@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS 4 ай бұрын
Terrific video all the way around thank you
@radrook2153
@radrook2153 2 жыл бұрын
It definitely looks far more challenging than Everest with its almost vertical sides, while Everest has gradually inclined approaches.
@Andy-Dan
@Andy-Dan 7 ай бұрын
Extraordinary documentary. Which I keep revisiting ❤
@melvincruz2020
@melvincruz2020 2 жыл бұрын
I love this documentaries, Thanks!!!
@brucegwynn8509
@brucegwynn8509 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched it again, such a great documentary, thanks again
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