Giant Bombcast 559 highlight - Fallout 76 is bad

[@aaoppe]

I'm reminded of something Gordon Ramsay once said about what marks the death of a restaurant. It's when the people behind the scenes stop caring about the product that they put out. The same principle applies perfectly here, Fallout is dying because Bethesda just doesn't give a shit. The death of a franchise.

[@i_would_but_i_wont]

If anything Fallout will just hibernate for a while. The fact that there is so much anger over this game speaks about the interest people still have. If it was just another bad game not named Fallout, not made by Bethesda, it would be promptly forgotten. Hate is caring. If we didn't care there would be no emotion. They'll let it settle and then bring back the franchise.

[@dylvasey]

@@i_would_but_i_wont Very well said.

[@aaoppe]

@Colorless Green I guess, but the fact that the Black Isle people themselves said that they felt like they were playing a Fallout game was a obviously a huge compliment to Bethesda and the work that they did on F3.

[@kira-dk2mx]

Considering how they treated this game and the people who spoke out about it, this series will be in hibernation for a lot of winters. Seriously, this shit was just made to fund Elder Scrolls 6. They got their money following the initial release and stopped caring a week after. As it is, people are going to be really cautious when buying another one of their games, being it Fallout or Elder Scrolls. Seriously, the amount of shit pulled and nonchalant attitudes given in response to complaints could rival EA's cucking.

[@aaoppe]

Then google Tim Cain. I never said tad-tiddily-squat about the newer Fallout games being "worthy successors to his original vision" by the way, that's just you putting words into my mouth.

[@Ofidian]

The core quote is at 10:30. "Someone asked me yesterday, like, 'Hey, when do you think your review is going to go up,' n-no one on staff wants to play any more of this video game, like-[unintelligible] I'm not gonna…subject myself to another 20, 30 hours of this [expletive] mess." "It's really upsetting…" "To, just to put a number on it. My number is…[expletive] don't play this game."

[@philipgodsworth4764]

It's okay kiddo, you're allowed to swear on the Internet.

[@ThePainqT]

This year bethesda : we let mods fix our game Next year bethesda: we let mods make our game

[@nolives]

Year after: we sell other people's mods. Oh.. wait.. didn't that happen.

[@nolives]

@Jonas A he was saying that fo76 is pretty much just a boring fallout 4 multiplayer mod.

[@ilikewindows3455]

@@nolives at the same time, managing to be even more buggy to

[@somethingbrite8484]

A $60 proof of concept! Yay! But hey, at least they managed to finish a polished "proof of concept" micro-transaction store...

[@drakkenmensch]

It's already 50% off less than two weeks after release. Give it a few more days and its joke name "Fallout 76% Off" will become factually correct.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Does anyone spend money in that shop? I get so many atoms idk what to do with the f'ing things, and i don't want 90% of what's on offer. Bitching about the micro's, yeah if you play it, you'll see how retarded that is, pick another hill to die on.

[@TheSamuraiGoomba]

That was the most important part. :D

[@robintst]

It's like a race to see who can produce this generation's version of E.T. for Atari 2600 and tank the whole industry again. Except people actually want it to happen this time.

[@seinfan9]

It was slapped together in a hasty manner to capitalize on microtransactions. No need to spend money to storyboard, write a script, create cutscenes, or pay voice actors to read thousands of lines. The game clearly wasn't tested. Just have faith that the name of the franchise will be enough to sell copies and rope in whales. There was zero intention to create a good game.

[@Gungho73]

Okay the one thing I'll disagree with you on is the "no testing" thing. Believe me when I say this as a vet of the industry in the testing field. Don't blame the tester. Because I guarantee you, multiple people let alone one guy or gal went "Yo shits fucked" and someone flagged their bugs as not important, and a marketing douchebag said "Ship it." That's a joke internally among us at the time because you can tell, you can *tell* when a studio is putting in tester time just to fufill obligations and have no interest in what you actually have to say. I can just see the situation now: "Hey guys the server doesnt run at all if you fire multiple nukes at once" "Ship it" "But what about the" "Ship it." And then someone like me would be bugging some bullshit like the npc's floating around after you interacted with them in a specific sequence of 1 ->2->3 on a ceiling right before we close that last day and the team is heading out. "Johnson?" (not my name btw but jokes) "Johnson. Are you really gonna keep us back. It's lunch time man." "Well you see this bug actually will completely delete a players inventory/storage if yo-" "Well now we got a WHISTLEBLOWER HERE!!! A Whistleblower!!!" Those environments were always the worst. This game was always going to be garbage because they had no concept, all they knew and I think you're very correct sadly is they wanted another IN on the microtransaction train (especially at the time with people actively fearing EA had just pooched the entire industries ability to abuse that market). It had so little direction its hard to believe anything else. But yeah like I said whether they had 10 testers or 10,000 it would've likely not helped the situation at all. FUBAR product from the start. Such a fall for that franchise...

[@prog00017]

Between this and Sea of Thieves, i wouldnt be surprised if "Triple AAA alphas" gets mentioned in some form during GOTY

[@vincentemond5620]

This is way worse than Sea of Thieves. Way, way worse.

[@ItsSomeDeadGuy]

@@vincentemond5620 Arguably worse than No Man's Sky, as well.

[@furrymessiah]

AAA AAA AAA Alphas?

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@vincentemond5620 Not really, i mean, technically speaking the game was sound, very few bugs. I was a pioneer, i alpha tested it nearly a year before release. It got extremely boring within about 2 hours. A polished game with nothing to do < A buggy fucking mess with an amazing world to explore and shit to craft in a Fallout world with friends.

[@AlexStarkiller1]

@@ItsSomeDeadGuy It's definitely worse than NMS these days. Of course, it took at least two years to get to a decent state, but I doubt Fallout 76 will ever become decent.

[@Iyiouseismouse]

“Fast Action Reticle Targeting System” F.A.R.T.S. I’m fucking dying... if that was really just said off the cuff it was a moment of improvisational genius. Either way it was hilarious.

[@bhlaab]

fallout 1 fan here just leanin back in my chair with my hands behind my head feet up on the desk "tell me more" i say

[@megamike15]

i'm glad we got mods coming so we can pretend 76 does not exist.

[@jethrobaarda7442]

Fallout 1 had bugs, half-cut content, broken perks/traits and more. So did 2 and 3 and new vegus and 4. Honestly the bar is already pretty low for quality and polish on release ahaha

[@megamike15]

@@jethrobaarda7442 here is the difference. all those games got fixed with mods. as 76 is an online only game it will never get fully fixed.

[@jethrobaarda7442]

@@megamike15 All previous games were patched officially. And so will 76.

[@jethrobaarda7442]

@@chaosordeal294 Fallout tactics was good and I wouldn't call it a cash grab, you sure you don't mean BOS?

[@LMarti13]

What kind of monster has Fallout 3 on their top 10 games of all time but *not* New Vegas?

[@moistdenim9268]

Louis Marti I think New Vegas is vastly overrated and preferred fallout 3. I think having either of those games on your top 10 all time makes the monster.

[@BBBJOT]

I think you're fucking wrong lol

[@EbonMaster]

@@chaosordeal294 I'd really like to know what made you hate it that much lol. Its a much more in depth game than 3 or 4.

[@Dezmixbe]

Louis Marti to be fair, NV was a much buggier game when it came out even by Bethesda RPG standards, especially on console. The game was rushed out the door in around 18 months and it shows.

[@thomasjenkins7506]

there is an appeal to fallout 3, it's just not the story. the world of fo3 is pretty interesting. it's not a good game, but if you just like to explore and dig through ruins, you can definitely have a ton of fun. new vegas is a better fallout game, but the world is kind of barren. i get it, it's the mohave, but the bethesda signature world isn't quite there (since obsidian). there isn't nearly as many ruins until the dlc, so those who enjoyed fo3 for the exploration are going to be let down by NV.

[@DraphEnjoyer]

Elder Scrolls 6 is doomed

[@cordovalark5295]

Exactly. This could very well be the end of Bethesda.

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

i feel like an idiot for looking up to Todd when i was a kid. i cant express enough how painful his corporate transformation over the last 20 years has been. fuckin asshole i swear.

[@Vub.]

Lmao gamers LOVE to pray on the downfall of games and dance on their graves. It's sad. Why do you want this stuff to fail. And don't give me the "no I don't want it to fail, I just think bethesda blah blah blah". No if you wanted it to succeed you wouldn't be trashing the company all the time.

[@GreatDarkWing0491]

The more time goes by the more I realize how lucky we were to get New Vegas. Bethesda has run my favorite franchise into the ground and out the other side, but at least we got a PROPER Fallout 3, even if it had to be tied to their shitty engine.

[@Flow764]

How is there a supermutant when this is before Fallout 1

[@reader111089]

Because Evil Pre War Corporation #97 infected a town with the FEV for lulz.

[@Sandwich1414]

How is there a reference to the brotherhood of steel because I could have sworn in fallout 1 they were still quite contained in their bunker. How did they get to West Virginia?

[@vishaansingh1019]

@@Sandwich1414 They ass-pulled an explanation by saying that they were a group on the outside who could hear transmissions from the BOS locked in the bunker and started LARPing as them (And this was only AFTER fans pointed it out in the marketing cycle)

[@Macho_Fantastico]

Jeff describing it as shitty is a perfect description of the game. There's something really scummy and underhanded about it.

[@geneshifter]

FARTS! I could go for that.

[@TheOscuras]

Thank you for this!

[@Jinrou_Yumeno]

In other news: water is wet.

[@justalldamnmotorsports2419]

Water can't be classified as wet.

[@nygeriunprence]

Hurricanes are very wet from the standpoint of water.

[@thomasjenkins7506]

okay, so bobbleheads are consumable? why not just make them skill magazines?

[@nolives]

"because we need as many familiar assets as possible! Even if it doesn't make sense?! DOES ANYONE HAVE THE FLOPY DISK WITH THE POWER ARMOR AND MUTANT CODE ON IT?!"-Bgs

[@GreatDarkWing0491]

Now Fallout 3/4 fans know how Fallout 1 and 2 fans felt when Fallout 3 was released, lol.

[@hawkeyegough9090]

i learnt english from baldurs gate, fallout 1,2 and arcanum and i enjoyed fallout 3 lol, but i admit i was a dumb kid even then

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Not really, i'm playing the game and loving my time with it. Paid half price for a buggy game with a fantastic world and decent amount of shit to do. You won't catch me complaining unless they fail to deliver on their roadmap.

[@fbi9490]

@@EQOAnostalgia This comment didn't age well...

[@knowledgeasaweapon5098]

Imagine if you had quests where you discover there are people...hiding. A vender in the frame of robot...orphan kids guarding their parents legendary weapon cos its what they have left...a ron swanson type hiding in a vault not made by vault tec but by himself. They could of turned the no npcs thing on its head by having these odd quests that keep you guessing the whole time but never really thinking you would find anyone alive...but then you do.

[@henry7696]

stay away from any game that markets itself as an "experience" no mans sky was an "experience"

[@thomasjenkins7506]

well, they aren't lying. it's an experience alright. it happened and you played it.

[@KingThrillgore]

NMS pulled itself together. FO76 probably won't.

[@ilikewindows3455]

Unlike Bethesda, hello games actually stuck with their game. It was borderline shitty in the beginning, but damn it's actually worth playing now. Bethesda though....well...um yeah you remember what they did with fallout 4? Make a buggy ass game, release a few patches, and let the mods fix more than 90% of the rest of the problems.

[@heliopyre]

hello games might have failed on release, but at least they tried and they've put the work in since. this is just lazy

[@reader111089]

The thing I dont get is: Most of the Responders you find dead in the game have bodies right? Why can't they just animate that body, take the voice logs from the damn holotapes, put those voice logs in the body and animate its jaw flapping? There you go! NPC! Why would you not? Give me someone to fucking save. To help. Oh no! We have to cure the scorch plague or everyone... in... Appalachia... will already be... dead...

[@nameless-user]

This release has me very concerned. Bethesda has issues with bugs, and that's common knowledge, but they do understand game design. 76, though, has fundamental and crippling design mistakes that would ruin it even if the game was bug-free. No amount of patching is going to fix this; the game needs to be completely redone. The lack of human NPCs, for instance, utterly destroys narrative potential and delivery; what we got in return, every human being another player, smacks of being a corporate marketing decision instead of one done for the benefit of the game.

[@cordovalark5295]

I guarantee that FO76 was under development less than a year. They copy and pasted the Fo4 code, and it took 6 months to remove all the NPC's etc.

[@alienhatz3265]

Fallout: Care About Skeletons

[@Sangth123]

Instead of making Fallout with co-op, or a Fallout MMO which might actually be pretty good if Zenimax Studios was behind it, they decided to make a shitty version of Fallout 4 with no real quests, no real story, no real characters and no real point.

[@cashnelson2306]

Fallout 4 already was the shitty version of Fallout 4

[@WeAreMovieMakers]

Why is the audio so compressed?

[@nolives]

But even the whole "your the first ones out of a vault and everyone died in the fallout" doesn't make sense, since some of the holotapes document thing post fallout...

[@jennifervalentine8955]

There is an online fee for console users in paying to access Playstation Plus or XboxLive

[@twistedoperator4422]

John Carpenter love's 76

[@TedBackus]

they fucked up big time. What i took from the reveal trailers, was a 4 player co-op/single player game, what we got was dog shit, in a plastic bag. they should have done it with a good strong story (not lore) story plays out in real time, lore is discovered by greasy nerds by pouring through tons of boring Computer terminals ,and log entries. they really blew this release.

[@lance134679]

People keep saying how they didn't like Fallout 4, but it's my favourite Fallout game, despite its flaws. I won't be playing Fallout 76 unless they remove micro-transactions and finish it.

[@nolives]

Fallout four is an ok game. But it's not a good fallout game.

[@christopherscott934]

I'm glad I only lost out on 89 cents for a BETA key for this pile of shit instead of $60+. They was offering refunds on the the PC version as of Saturday. To be honest, if Bethesda has any dignity left, they should offer refunds across all platforms for players that bought digital versions. I'm sorry but theres no defending this trainwreck of a dumpster fire. It is what it is, Shit with a capital S.

[@DefCon1966]

Bethesda has now backed out of refunding PC gamers, they are truly a scum bag company and need to burn for this.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

You lost me at "they was"

[@christopherscott934]

@@EQOAnostalgia Yeah well, I wish I could have said "They are" but they have no dignity.

[@cashnelson2306]

I love New Vegas and all but I’m not sure it was worth what Bethesda has done to fallout

[@sladekiske]

Back when Fallout 3 came out, hadn't Interplay retained the rights to an MMO Fallout that they were working on but went bankrupt? Maybe this was born from that.

[@robintst]

Interplay licensed back Fallout 1, 2, and Tactics to be able to resell them as a collection themselves and I think they also took that to mean they could develop a new traditional Fallout game that they wanted to make an MMORPG which was known as "Project V13" at the time. Bethesda revoked the license and sued to get their cut of the profits Interplay made on that Fallout Trilogy DVD-ROM Collection and force them to recall existing copies while also accusing them of making the title misleading & confusing so people would think or assume it meant Fallout 3 was included... even though it said right there on the box both back and front what was in it.

[@electricdevil2422]

@@robintst Bethesda didn't revoke the license, there was a time limit for how long Interplay could continue to sell Fallout 1, 2, and Tactics. Interplay also retained the rights to make the MMO, but only within a certain time frame. What happened is that Interplay basically ran out of time, and the work on V13 was not enough to satisfy the agreement, and all the rights went back to Bethesda. The lawsuit was over whether Interplay could continue to work on V13, and Interplay lost.

[@RezaQin]

Can't get burned if you don't buy the game.

[@terraLiquidus]

The Bethesda engine apologists are the worst. Yes, it’s not the same as when it was born, they keep leaving all the bad shit in it with every game though. At a certain point you just have to accept your wrench is missing a prong. Either that or Bethesda is just incompetent. I personally think it’s a mixture of both. Great world building, and subpar everything else. I may be biased because I got the “0kb bug” on a four year old “4” save, but I’m completely over my former favorite studio at this point

[@Canaris3]

They dont care. Bethesda simply doesnt care, their games are still selling because modders prop their shitty games so why would they change it now? Dont try to fix something that isnt broken.

[@fbi9490]

@@Canaris3 Bethesda went from making some of the best games of all time to one of the worst. I'm still going to pre-order Starfield.

[@Canaris3]

@@fbi9490 then you are part of the problem and you need to sepuku yourself in Minecraft.

[@philithegamer8265]

@@fbi9490 You're part of the issue, bro.

[@fbi9490]

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[@kimbercustompro1911]

Another game ruined by forced multiplayer and the developers all consuming desire for unearned money. As A huge fan of the original 2 fallout games and someone who enjoyed fallout 3/4 and new vegas, I can confidently state that I have zero interest in playing any game (fallout especially) online.

[@thomasjenkins7506]

this wasn't really a game ruined by multiplayer. it was designed to be a multiplayer game. that's not the problem. the game is just shit.

[@TurboNemesis]

@@thomasjenkins7506 it was definitely doomed the second someone at Bethesda said "multiplayer"

[@EQOAnostalgia]

That's a shitty argument, you simply don't like online games. Which is entirely subjective. If you want to say it was ruined, which it wasn't, it's just a mess right now, then point out the bugs and PR disasters. Even then, patches happen, and PR noise quiets down. I'll see ya in 6 months chump!

[@EternalDensity]

This wasn't really a game ruined by multiplayer, because it doesn't really have any game to ruin.

[@SleepyDroid]

What is the story with the super mutants? they shouldn't just be in the game without an explanation.

[@hdb1975]

SleepyDroid the FEV virus was created by the us before the war, I’m guessing since 76 takes place early maybe they came from another vault that was experimented on

[@nolives]

"who cares about consistent lore? Look at the pretty colors on the trees 20 years after radiation"-Bgs

[@nickcrawford6723]

Same story as the Brotherhood of steel, Brand recognition so more people will buy it because they recognize something they think is cool

[@SleepyDroid]

@@nolives haha

[@ahhotep1833]

Ya'll don't know the lore very well, do ya.

[@luistorres6956]

Did fallout 4 have any ghouls with intelligence? Those zombie looking feral ones in 4 look like shite compared to new vegas.

[@TurboNemesis]

As always, investor capitalism ruins everything. push out a broken, incomplete game with no content, sell it for $60 and pray the name makes you enough money to pay your investors.

[@nolives]

Welcome to late stage. Check out anarcho-syndicalism and catalonia.

[@BenderUnit22x]

Well, I've been lead to believe Bethesda's intricate "clock-work world design" makes it IMPOSSIBLE for their games to be polished. Now that they stripped all the game out of the game, it's still a broken mess and Brad still wants me to think they'll get their shit together for their upcoming games.

[@lnfreeman]

most surprising take of this clip: Brad has a gf

[@taskermorris]

Why does this sound like shit?

[@nygeriunprence]

Not everyone came from fucking vaults dude.

[@OGR-4394]

I find it funny that everyone says regarding this game: who wants this? What do you spend the majority of your time doing in Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4? Exploring, shooting, looting and crafting. That is what people spend more than half their time doing in a Fallout game. Not...story, whatever that means. Was the story and characters in 4 so compelling that you want that again? I'm not saying 76 is good by any means, just that aside from the exclusion of an interesting plot (again), on a mechanical level it is exactly what people have been playing and enjoying for the past ten years.

[@heliopyre]

it doesn't matter if people enjoyed the mechanics, they enjoyed them within the context of a living world with character and story. it's the impetus for the mechanics and it's what made those mechanics fun.. take that away and you've got a rust knockoff with a fallout skin.

[@cipherenigma]

Seanileus2 what people? Please be more specific. Not everyone enjoys the same types of games

[@OGR-4394]

@@cipherenigma I wouldn't recommend 76 for someone who doesn't enjoy Fallout or had never played them. On a gameplay level it's more or less the same as 4, so I knew from the announcement that it would be fun.

[@OGR-4394]

@Old World Blues Boo hoo?

[@OGR-4394]

@@heliopyre Ah yes, the compelling narrative of Fallout 4, nothing inspires tens of hours building a settlement like a kidnapped son. And who can forget those loveable characters, like Mama Murphy?

[@EQOAnostalgia]

It's not bad, it's not shitty, it's buggy... if you don't like online games fine, but shitty and bad? No, there is a lot of potential with it just like with ESO, and that was a fucking mess as well. People are pouring too much hate into this because they wanted a single player game, that's really the gist of it. Over reactions from people who didn't want it, and now see how buggy it's launch is. Period. The audio logs extend beyond the tutorials... this is a problem with journalists, they play for 10 hours and bitch about things lol. It's dull at first, the first several hours are hand holding you to show you basic shit... this is a game you're meant to spend many hours in so several hours of tutorial shit is kind of par for the course.... Final Fantasy XIV i'm looking at you! Beyond that it has EXCELLENT set pieces that tell stories with logs to follow them up, Bethesda has always been good at doing this... this is now a problem? Like i said, people WANTED to hate this from the onset. Any problems now, it's going to be under a microscope and with the recent PR disasters... that's been augmented 100 fold! There is no excuse for their shitty PR! They fucked up with this launch hard! But a bad game? No, there is a very fun, very Fallout game under the bugs and technical issues, it CAN get better and should, but the people kicking this game while it's down, who don't have any interest in the future of it are pissing off those of us who decided to give it a chance. You don't have to be a shill for devs and you don't have to be ultra aggressive against them either with 200 rage click videos in a week. Not accusing this channel of it, but a lot of channels are milking the rage around this for all it's worth.

[@Schinak]

fanboy sighted

[@ahhotep1833]

It sounds like (listening to your game comments) you did not play Fallout 76 for very long at all...not long enough. There is a lot of game mechanics ya'll seem clueless about. Also, guys...this is not Fallout 4 or Fallout 5. Fallout 5 is coming. If your nothing more then run and gun players...yeah, you missed a lot.

[@heliopyre]

yeah they missed the highly compelling pdfs with the story written on them.

[@Schinak]

@Ahhotep1 It sounds like your buyer's remorse syndrome is so serious you're deluding yourself.

[@ahhotep1833]

@Schinak: LMAO! Your comment is just another 'proof of concept' about the massive assumptions the Mob Mental Hate Train riders make to support their hostile and, at this point, somewhat pathological mind-set.

[@cipherenigma]

Ahhotep1 this would have been a more effective comment if you actually replied to the official Giant Bomb channel. Also what game mechanics did they miss?

[@crazyinsane500]

This is true, they didn't play it a lot. They seem to think that the humans (and only the humans) were killed by bombs. According to 76, it was any bomb. That's silly! No, instead it's a magic dragon that turned all the humans (and only the humans) into equally magic zombies.