GIANT Update in Helldivers 2, Quasar Cannon Nerf, Railgun Buff, 20+ More! New Update, Hotfix soon

There was a new update in helldivers 2 that buffed and nerfed over 20+ primary weapons, secondary weapons, support weapons, and stratagems. I'll be making tier lists for all these soon. What's the new update in #helldivers2
‪@PhaseShifter‬ live stream • 🔴RAILGUN & AIRBURST BU...
Timestamps:
00:00 Newest Balance Changes
00:31 Another update coming this week
01:00 Primary Weapons
01:01 Assault Rifles
01:55 Marksman Rifles
02:31 Energy Weapons
03:27 Explosive weapons
06:23 Support Weapons
10:20 Secondary Weapons
11:09 Guard dog Rover and Liberator
11:30 Burning Damage
11:42 Damage over time Host not fixed
11:51 Machine gun Sentry and Tesla Tower
12:02 Headshot Damage
12:23 Enemies, Gameplay, and Bug Fixes

[@thiccfila]

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[@Gamba16374]

2:47 the sickl can now shoot through bushes too (and the quasarcanon)

[@Gamba16374]

flamethrower hulks get an extra 20% decrease in damage so -15% in general and aditional -20% for the hulk

[@cixtos]

I think the Quasar change is fine. Now it is more in line with the EAT. I would like to see them reduce the charge up time or to improve the ergonomic handling to make up for the increased penalty for missing your shot. I’m excited to see your Laser Cannon review (specifically how the damage to enemy heads changed relative to large bodies like spewed butts)

[@TobiasRieper_87]

Thanks for the link to @PhaseShifterLIVE I'd recommend everyone check him out. Both great channels!

[@EverSoJoe]

The ability to disable automatic valuting is such a revolution for me. ~ The guy who always climbs supply drops

[@calluxdoaron1903]

The biggest buff to the game. - The guy who climbs supply drops

[@SirMattomaton]

​@@AnonD38 Once?! Lol... Half the time it's called in.

[@roar104]

Genuinely a skill issue for the vaulting.

[@Magnusfication]

Theres no point in that mechanic anyway. We already have a "vault over this shit" button

[@DaMorg3]

@@MagnusficationPS5 player here… what button is that, exactly? No sarcasm whatsoever. If you don’t know the actual button name, is it contextually mapped to a button that does something else, e.g. jump pack engage?

[@CBeavr]

a dev in the discord said "large volume bodies" means "More damage to heads, less damage to big butts"

[@leonardorossi998]

I am curious where Striders fall in this. A Laser Cannon can destroy the "head" of the strider, but it takes a while, while the leg joints were the weakspot. I hope it means that it will be more effective against the latter.

[@onion599]

And already people are complaining about Laser Cannon killing Hulks slower because of placebo lol

[@TheRacheakt]

@@onion599 I started taking the laser cannon for the gunship spawns, I was using the Quasar canon but i switched about a week ago as i felt they were going to Nerf the Q-Cannon in my bones.

[@leonardorossi998]

@@TheRacheakt Well, peronally I think the Laser Cannon was always better than the Q-Cannon for gunships, overall more forgiving in case you flinched and a bit faster. What the Q Cannon was good at was destroying towers from any angle.

[@TheRacheakt]

@@leonardorossi998 It is also good at taking out hulks and takes from behind. I think i am going to like the buff it got.

[@Hirens.]

The Quasar Canon actually now fires only 3.3 times per minute. You also have to take into account the 3 second shot charge duration.

[@wadesheckles5420]

Welp... there goes my favorite weapon's usage

[@SirMattomaton]

​@@wadesheckles5420 Not really. It's only really going to be felt badly when the game spawns in chargers and bile titans like they're going out of style... That's when this nerf is REALLY going to sting like hell. Other than that. It's business as usual.

[@JoeBobTheTROLL]

​@SirMattomaton So as someone who only play on helldivers difficulty that will be soon as the match starts lol

[@sm753]

RIP quasar...the laughable buff to the railgun does not offset it.

[@alexives9274]

What about the big bug that you can't fire energy weapons though your buddle shields now wtf ?

[@adamredbeard5232]

It seems one of the Arrowhead devs won't be happy til we are out here fighting bile titans with flashlights.

[@williamstriker2299]

Alan Wake and Amnesia vibes

[@kaio0777]

lol that was funny.

[@MatzeMB85]

As I like them are 40k fans I don't see a problem here.

[@EckoUntitl]

Well hopefully next time dumbasses won't be shouting "Quasar OP" without understanding that in fact it wasn't op at all,it was better ammo wise but risking missing your shot while charging it.

[@Watch_Point]

Right!! I’m mean for f*** sake

[@Yogowafel]

Ergonomics is a stat that determines how responsive weapon is to your crosshair

[@robbytherob]

Light weapons like liberator should have max handling. It’s the only thing I hate about this game

[@thelouster5815]

@@robbytherobThe Liberator practically does though.

[@flynntaggart8549]

@@robbytherob they do. most sidearms have max handling. a 7 pound assault rifle is not "light".

[@Jman0163]

​@robbytherob i like the 'lag' as it were. makes it feel more like you're just a guy with a gun. quite unlike anything ive seen in a game before.

[@robbytherob]

@@Jman0163 I do not. I mainly just use the liberator. I love the gun. It feels like I'm in starship troopers or terminator with it. I also like the recoil when paired with the 30% recoil buff. I only play on helldiver difficulty too. I feel like low level guns with a high skill ceiling like the basic liberator should have excellent handling. Gimmick guns like the grenade pistol should have low handling. My two cents. A man can only dream...

[@michaelweaver4439]

“Reducing drop off” is a buff not a nerf. Reducing drop off is another way of saying the splash damage range is increased.

[@chtulie]

Thank you for pointing this out.

[@brettbishopp6651]

So what does explosion damage drop-off slightly faster mean for the eruptor? That means the damage is increased?

[@Genzo360]

It got nerfed. I just tried and splash damage is noticably weaker or smaller​@@brettbishopp6651

[@Thatbeardedguy86]

@@brettbishopp6651no for the Eruptor it’s definitely a nerf. Means a smaller radius of explosive splash damage.

[@brilobox2]

⁠@@Thatbeardedguy86 Thats obvious. it clearly states the damage drop off is faster, the opposite of what it says for the Crossbow.

[@niekversteege]

They actually mention the Hulk fire damage specifically: "Hulk Scorcher direct flamethrower damage reduced by 20%" so it is separate from the generic fire damage nerf.

[@thewitchidolsachika6682]

I absolutely hate being oneshotted by their streams of fire. Hopefully no more!

[@shuffleit7771]

So fire damage didn’t get nerfed, like flamethrowers and Napalm?

[@IRMentat]

@@shuffleit7771fire damage ALSO got nerfed 15%. Hulk doing 20% less on hit and 15% less per tick may actually be enough to stop it insta gibbing players

[@Wulfjager]

​@@thewitchidolsachika6682I'd rather wish there was more consistency to it. If you're gonna one shot me with the flamethrower, at least make it to where it one shots me when I'm in the flame. Can't tell you how many times I drop like I took a bullet to the head when it isn't even shooting the flamethrower on me and also I'm perfectly fine and can stim myself while it's pouring fire on me

[@xraze6906]

@@Wulfjager I suspect that for whatever reason flamethrower damage can headshot. With the 20% reduction, the 15% reduction, and armor actually protecting the head, I would be surprised if getting one shot by the flamethrower still regularly happens.

[@claudeb3673]

Well... its hard ro see my quasar cannon nerfed... but i foresaw that a mile ago, like at least 50% of the divers was always rocking it

[@MrWiggz69]

Its still better than the EAT simply because you can get more shots off but recoiless is looking like the pick now for those Anti tank players.

[@claudeb3673]

@@MrWiggz69 for me i prefer the EAT than the recoiless because i can get a backpack and do not need "reload". I know i must make it drop each minute but it takes about 1 sec with my muscle memory 😆

[@Mithguar]

It is now very close to EATs with shots number in time frame. With EATs being slightly better since you can kill with pod itself. Quasar is still better at range since it has no drop. I know I will still use it. But I might shoot hulks legs more often now.

[@gungan5822]

I stopped using it the week it came out. Yeah, it's convenient not having ammo and shooting across the map, but when I need to blow something up, I need 2-3 back to back no recharge time. EAT is the fastest option. The one I'm already carrying and the 2 I call down when the dropship warning rings out. 3 shots in 15 seconds is best, Even if your next shot is 50 seconds from now.

[@kylesimmons9457]

The real strength of the quasar was your ability to fire and then switch to a different weapon or stratagem. Its a passive reload. Which is really good when running from things and fighting mobs.

[@Redguns4life]

I'm just happy that the Counter Sniper finally got some attention. Even if I firmly believe that thing should be doing 200 damage minimum.

[@thiccfila]

I think the idea should be that it needs to 1 tap devastator heads from nearly any range. If it does that I'm fine with the buff.

[@EnragedBarrothGaming]

Honestly, it's ridiculous that the revolver does more damage than the strongest 'sniper' primary, we need a space .50 BMG that can punch a football sized hole through a devastator.

[@Priotech]

@@EnragedBarrothGaming have you not used the AMR?

[@Redguns4life]

@@EnragedBarrothGaming The Eruptor and AMR fill those roles. The AMR would be perfect if Arrowhead could just align the sights properly so I didn't need to compensate with every shot.

[@bluewolf5582]

I like the eruptor patch tbh. I wish we had 8 mags but the smaller splash let it work closer in. Was shooting a rock from 3m and retaining roughly half health. Medium armor

[@thomasrobach3552]

Anybody else think they overdid it with the new anti-solo changes? The less ppl in a game, the more enemies pop up? I hosted a lvl 9 game, we started with a full squad, two guys left at one point, later one guy joined and we kept going. I have never seen so many dropship and patrols in one game. All we could do was running, we barely made it to the extraction after launching the ICBM and got DESTROYED, nobody made it out alive. I mean, it's still supposed to be fun, right? I like a good challenge, but this was pure madness...

[@stephengrant4841]

I feel like these devs are notorious for anti-fun changes.

[@CeresOutpost]

I just don't understand the point of it and I don't even play solo. The key to this game's success has been that it's satisfying to play, no matter how you want to play it. If they start taking that away, people will move on. This shouldn't be a hardcore game. It has been successful because it's a FUN game with enough difficulty to induce flow state.

[@IRMentat]

I’d mind less if the boys were not spamming rockets, turret projectiles, machine guns and flinching(and chunking) the hell out of the players be it a lowly soldier bot or the twin mini gun totting ATAT that will melt you instantly if not begins 2-3 layers of cover (if it’s only one layer it will walk into the terrain and shoot you through the wall/rock/pillar/building). Im ok with having to do the occasional fighting retreat but having 2 hills a tank, 6-8 mixed devastators, 4-8 walkers AND the local turret shooting at me 20 SECONDS into arriving on a map I have ZERO meaningful visibility in is a bit much.

[@flatblizzard5435]

It sounds like you had a great time from the story you are telling. I mean despite players dipping out and others rejoining mid game on the HIGHEST difficulty(i.e not easy...) you still managed to win. Even with these increases in enemy spawns. So are you actually making a complaint?

[@thomasrobach3552]

@@flatblizzard5435I'm not really complaining. But when they throw 4 dropships and a few patrols at you, half your team dies and before you can kill them the game is like 'Having fun already? Here are 4 more dropships for you. And here are some more.' You get sniped from rocket devastators from 200 meters away, a factory strider drops right on your head and in the end you get burned to death by hulks while you try to crawl to that terminal to do you duty. I mean, give me a fightng chance. Then you do one of those new bug missions and it's ridiculously easy. It just seems to be not that balanced today...

[@alonfire1337]

They introduced a new Bug with the Senator Speed loader. If you got 5 or less bullets left(in your pocket +gun is empty) and do a speed reload, you reload 6 bullets , even if you only got 2.

[@nattly6340]

they were in my shirt pocket behind my sherif badge

[@Breath310]

Technically if u had a revolver with three shots remaining you couldn’t fit the speed loader in the cylinder bc the three live rounds would be in your way. You’d have to either let the empty rounds eject and load them individually or dump all rounds both empty and live rounds alike and then load it fully with the speed loader. I hope that made sense 😂

[@bluewolf5582]

Shhhhhh

[@benwainwright4431]

Could be intentional. You gain back ammo with the gun anyways so maybe the thought was what is the harm in giving them ammo during final reload

[@brilobox2]

@@Breath310 they’re talking about having 3 bullets in reserve, not in the gun. The speed loader is only used when all bullets in the cylinder are expended.

[@tomweather8887]

They really need to make it so picking up supplies just resupplies everything you have and then balance around that. It's so weird that if you're completely empty you need that second resupply just for two grenades and two stims. When I call down a resupply, it's almost always because I need stims or grenades.

[@THATotherGUY415]

I think what they need to do is have the supply pack be able to replenish itself with any ammo, grenades, and stims on the ground. Or have its cooldown equal to the supply drop.

[@digitalcthulhu143]

You know how we got a ship modules to completely resupply some support weapons? I believe we'll get a ship module for stims and grenades in the future.

[@Prockski]

The hit to the solo play potential is painful for me. It also makes me wonder what happens if people get disconnected or quit a game? Does it just mean we will get a cascade of failures as it gets harder and harder? Weird choice of change.

[@gamers-xh3uc]

@@AnonD38 no it applies proportional to the amount of players there is on the game at a given point so no

[@calamityhex3729]

Either way it's completely stupid and unnecessary. You already have only 5 lives anyway so it's not you have an advantage. Not only that the amount of players who get dropped is unreal. So way to punish people.

[@Prockski]

@@calamityhex3729 So they updated the notes. Seems there was a bug which meant solo players only got 1/6th of the normal spawns instead of 1/4th. Makes sense I guess.

[@calamityhex3729]

@@Prockski Really? Cause I'm not going to lie man some of those late game extractions we're utter BS. I haven't played yet but I've seen comments that make it seem absolutely insane to even attempt to go solo.

[@Prockski]

@@calamityhex3729 well it’s a huge boost to the numbers and that’s for sure. It just seems those numbers were always bugged.

[@apersonthatis7007]

They said only 2 large nerfs. There’s so many nerfs in this patch!

[@GameFuMaster]

I kinda expected the eruptor to get nerfed, which it did and it's relatively fine. But the xbow change was weird (though I haven't tried it out). I think halving the max magazines of the Eruptor is a bit too much. TBH, I feel like the game is just getting less fun because of the stale meta and lack of viable competing weapons

[@Vuvuzelas4life]

Time to stop playing BOYZ!!!!

[@MrWiggz69]

@@GameFuMaster The eruptor didn't need the extent of the nerf it got, which is the problem. Either the radius or mags could have got hit but to do both just doesn't make sense. It was already very niche.

[@Alienoiable]

@@GameFuMaster "I think halving the max magazines is a bit too much." I think the Xbow had a stupid amount of ammo, personally. That was a big over the top lol.

[@Priotech]

@@GameFuMaster stale meta? besides the 500kg and orbital laser, I see all kinds of weapons and builds being used?

[@Uryendel]

I'm fine with increase cooldown for the quasar (but it still a bit excessive) as long as they don't touch de dmg it doesn't kill the weapon

[@thenson1Halo]

But why would you ever take it over EAT now?

[@Niko-my7wt]

@@thenson1Halo you can fire the quasar 3.3 times a minute can only fire the eat twice a minute

[@Uryendel]

@@thenson1Halo unlimited ammo, doesn't need to be recall nor running to get a new shoot, that's a big advantage on helldive mission where you are constantly on the run

[@thenson1Halo]

@@Uryendel 3.3 shots per minute is your ammo limitation. I consider it a big advantage on helldive to not give up other support weapons just to be limited to 1 shot per 20 seconds during which you will be exposed for a decent portion. In practice you end up with better than 2 shots per minute with EATs because anyone that uses them has a good idea of places when/where they will be needed and will have already called it down and then be calling down another set. You can't save up quasar shots to be used later but I can call down EATs on cooldown. Allies also can't use your quasar unless they take it from your dead hands. In my opinion the EAT now totally outclasses Quasar.

[@hankypanky6067]

+5s reload is a huge nerf especially when you play difficulty 7+ when there can often be multiple chargers + titan after your ass. I honestly hate this “nerf what’s popular” mentality when a weapon isn’t even OP

[@rufnut5300]

I'm a very average solo player and love this game. The Enemy Patrol increase (even at low level missions) has jumped dramatically! I personally think this is a needless change that only affects solo players. Why would the devs do this?

[@bhante4539]

Just played a couple of missions on bots. Diff 3 to test things out. There are a lot of bots on a solo mission. You had to bring every stealth trick out of the book to survive. There is a huge jump up in difficulty. I know not all players will mind but some will struggle with this change.

[@gungan5822]

It's probably to prevent solo farming POIs at higher difficulties

[@markparent4914]

It’s not meant to be a solo game. If you play it that way you must deal with the consequences, get better

[@darkbrick77]

@@markparent4914this is a terrible mindset for a game 😂

[@godoftsukuyomi7480]

@@markparent4914 It's not designed around co-op neither, so what are you trying to say

[@DracoAvian]

The regular guard dog is great. The thing is a ninja. It will straight up murder entire light patrols in 6 seconds. It's straight up meant for you to dive into a base or nest and rip and tear. All they needed to do to it is make it stop dumping mags into buildings. Dumps a mag into a tank or charger, that's just the cost of doing business. Dumps 3 mags into a fabricator while you're fighting; that's a feels bad moment.

[@DrBusiness9]

I just don’t see how it’s viable compared to the laser variant. Like even with the higher damage, what it can pull off is still easy to accomplish with primary weapons, and the risk of being caught reloading when you actually NEED the drone is too high. I don’t want the tracking to waste a mag and then get me killed

[@mkaleborn]

I tried the basic Guard Dog ages ago and had absolutely no idea how it's ammo usage/reloading worked. It basically never fired for 75% of the time I was in-mission. Utterly useless. Maybe they fixed that, but I still have no idea how it's bullet-count, magazine size, ammo capacity work...like at all. Which makes trying to play/plan around it a total non-starter. Needs unlimited ammo or a huge bright neon sign saying "here is my current ammo in current mag. Here are is number of mags left in my inventory. Here is me reloading my mag and a visual that tells you when I'll be firing again I finish reloading."

[@nickdevillers2453]

I had a similar experience. It absolutely shreds a patrol. But then does nothing for 10 mins. Not I'm out of ammo nothing, more like it only went through one clip then decided to take a coffee break kind of nothing.

[@elijahmoffett7059]

@@nickdevillers2453 that's how it works. its basically like a sentry that follows you. once its out of ammo, you have to feed it a resupply pack. Laser variant is honestly just empirically better. they could make the gun variant one shot chargers and i still wouldn't use it because of its non-existent ammo capacity

[@platyhelminthes2877]

@@elijahmoffett7059 Yep, that about sums it up. If they would at least let it rearm from regular (non-resupply) ammo packs, I would consider using it again, but as it is I can't justify taking it over the laser variant.

[@Mr_Potat]

Why are people playing in smaller groups getting punished so much… we get less ammo on our weapons which means we need to dedicate more stratagems to supplies. On top of that we get more patrols to deal with, inevitably increasing the chance to get infinite bug breaches/bot drops which means we’ll need to use even more ammo fighting those. The increased need for the supply backpack also just means we can’t choose equipment that needs a backpack such as autocannon, recoilless rifle, … or backpacks themselves like shield backpack. We get less stratagems because we need to waste our limited slots on supplies which definitely hurts our ability to deal with bile titans. The quasar being one of the best support weapons at dealing with bile titans getting nerfed also doesn’t help at all. Why are we punished for playing in groups of 2-3

[@hoteleight4217]

My question is what happens when someone crashes? Are there going to be even more patrols?

[@shalashaskaseven4841]

@@hoteleight4217They’ll be less. They fixed the decreased amount of spawns. Solo for example, was at 1/6 of a full squad instead of the intended 1/4. You guys are misinterpreting the change

[@hoteleight4217]

@@shalashaskaseven4841 Thanks just wanted clarification.

[@manray005]

Though I have not tested it yet, the only thing I am really annoyed with so far is the incremental increase of patrol spawns for less players... Why in the hell would there be more patrols with less helldiver presence? I would understand scaling patrols and spawn rates up with more players as that makes sense. It's the old Borderlands "The enemies grow stronger in response to your strength" thing. I know this game is a team game but punishing solo players more than they already are trying to do things alone is stupid. I do not and will not play with randoms at all. I play solo or with my friends.

[@MartyrHandle]

Then isn't that a personal issue? Why should they cater to solo players in a cooperative based game

[@derkaiser9881]

@@MartyrHandleWhat’s the argument for doing the opposite? Neither make sense.

[@insane6072]

@@AnonD38my Internet sometimes get pretty bad so I’m forced to play solo even when I want to play with others, this new update sounds really bad for me as i already am not very good at the game but I need things like super samples still.

[@docnasty888]

Wasnt the patrol spawn for solo so incredibly low you could just walk the map and stealth the highest difficulties with little problem?

[@piercearora7681]

@@docnasty888 Yeah it was ridiculous. If you picked your fights, you could play solo 9s easily by just avoiding enemies, especially on bots. Imo this wasn't a bad thing, since solo just wasn't a difficult way to play the game, and now solo high difficulty is high difficulty again (at least hopefully). If you can't handle high difficulty, then lower the difficulty. I definitely will go back down from 8s and 9s to 7s.

[@Gardarik33115]

I kind of don't like their direction with the nerfs in a pve game. Instead of nerfing the overperfoming fun-to-use weapons they should just upgrade the underused weapons to the same level. It's all about fun, after all. Make railgun piercing smaller enemies or smth. It is still a subpar choice even to expendable antitank.

[@TheEmpireAnimations]

Exactly

[@idj3105]

Railgun still excels in its role, blitzing through medium armor enemies while having an extra backpack. EATs cant get through the volume of mediums but will do better for heavies. Its healthy to have tradeoffs in choices even in a PVE game 😊 it allows for more unique identities and feeling for the diff weapons

[@skywardsoul1178]

Oh this gun is fun to play with? How about we fix that so it's no longer competitive or fun.

[@WisdomThumbs]

Some of us define fun differently, and prefer challenges.

[@Gardarik33115]

@@WisdomThumbs I don't mind challenges, i play only on helldive and with fun builds and not meta. But there is a difference between "fun" as in "challenging" and "fun" as in "dull because all weapons feel the same"

[@YolStrun]

Diligence Counter Sniper now 1 shot Headshots Devestators.

[@thiccfila]

It already did, it didnt at range where the damage dropped off.

[@drodi7320]

Yeah ive been using counter sniper the past few days, if they are anything farther than 5 ft away you need 2 shots. Im sure now post patch itll be 1 shotting from much farther ranges i hope! ​@thiccfila

[@stronensycharte64]

Can't wait for them to nerf it ❤️

[@DrBusiness9]

BREAKING counter sniper does what it already does!!

[@shaqtaku]

I honestly feel like the quasar was good where it was, it didn't need any nerfs

[@TehFishey]

eh, the main competition for the Quasar's niche are the EATs and RR. The former gets 2 shots every 70 seconds (vs quasar's once per 13/18), and the latter gets one per 11 seconds, except it also takes a backpack slot, has ammo, and requires you to spend your downtime standing still for a reload. tbh the nerf was kinda inevitable, and it's still a very powerful choice due to its ammo economy and free reload.

[@nadrianparty5727]

it kinda pushed the EAT into useless tho

[@shaqtaku]

still think quasar is better than most suppotts because you dont need a backpack and you dont need to reload it

[@shaqtaku]

@@TehFishey I agree with that tbh

[@974cerebrate]

@@Nathan_Morgan You're just having a tantrum and will calm down withing a week don't worry.

[@sekamiestyomies]

Nice to see we are supposed to melee everything cause it seems we dont need ammo VS infinite ammo armies and zerg rushes

[@stronensycharte64]

Yea dude it's fucking nuts how they keep nerfing ammo capacity, Insane

[@redfish6549]

The game was getting a bit easy i wont lie

[@Lord_Chibi]

I mean they just buffed the laser weapons, left sickle as is, and buffed the arc shotgun...

[@stoywarshockofficial9984]

The Arc Shotgun aka Blitzer would like to have a word with your problem P.S. you just have to point at a direction, aiming not required 😂

[@Lord_Chibi]

@@stronensycharte64 because if they nerf the damage then the guns aren't fun anymore... It's like Warframe: to nerf aoe, they had to nerf damage or ammo, so they chose ammo. The entire community laughed at them saying ammo wouldn't do anything. Day 1 of the patch people were saying the game was ruined because the ammo nerfs actually nerfed ammo on the rocket launchers (who would've thought?) and then after a while nobody really cared about aoe guns because then better weapons that were way more fun and just as good came out. And the game wasn't actually ruined either..

[@MistaBaze]

It is truly amazing that a community has to hide their fav weapon from the devs.

[@thenson1Halo]

I was trying to keep eruptor a hidden gem very hard. Hell, not that many people used it! Most people couldn't make it work for them. For me it was the exact tool I needed to make half my builds work right.

[@Splaffy-0-]

​​@JonHack-kd4ruI'd argue railgun is genuinely unplayable after the changes at least in the "this gun can do something better that at least one other thing" sense

[@Splaffy-0-]

@JonHack-kd4ru I don't think so, having one shot be able to only take out one bug up to chargers and being better or bots for being precision isnt enough, any splash damage primary is better since you get both AoE and the ability to hit through the same armor (with more effectiveness) than the railgun, it has little to no use anymore with the stun change post nerf railgun was still really good if you were in the mentality of supporting your TEAM by stunning heavys and taking aggro because you could actually take those fights with the railgun

[@Splaffy-0-]

@JonHack-kd4ru I played a lot after the nerf and after the most recent patch, it feels far less satisfying and like it can't fit into team comps anymore, and that's just for losing the ability to stagger, but that's my opinion as a railgun main

[@Splaffy-0-]

@JonHack-kd4ru I respect the HMG pick, it's very fun I just wish they kept core features that weapons had they way they are, hope you're still enjoying the game but I personally think I'll have to step away 😓

[@sm753]

So despite what the devs promised at the beginning - they're basically doing exactly what other live service game devs have done re: balancing. They're just going around nerfing everything that people liked using because they were actually effective and then apply miniscule buffs to weapons that nobody used because they were crap. Because if you look through the patch notes - none of the buffs to the other weapons offset the nerfs to the weapons that we're all running with - they're STILL not really worth using, and now we're all going to be stuck with the same weapons we were already using except now they're worse.

[@stronensycharte64]

Yea, they need to learn that the game is more fun when we aren't running out of fucking ammo every 2 seconds

[@MrTheTaterMeister]

You sound bad

[@sm753]

​@@MrTheTaterMeister Say again? You're coming in broken and retarded.

[@AfroMan187]

Have a snickers bar Dave, you sound like a Destiny player when you get hungry

[@Knightt_g]

Skill issues and whining is all I’m hearing

[@GeepeBrow]

Just played on helldive mission, bugs spawn like endless. The quasar can't even catch up with bile titans spawn. Really frustating, i can't even play stealth anymore. Bot enemies shoot at me even prone and about 60m at distance. And this patch make the game crash more often

[@savagedeer7376]

A reason to use the recoiless?

[@casualbydefault]

@@savagedeer7376 Or the EAT?

[@stronensycharte64]

​@@savagedeer7376 recoilless fucking sucks

[@calamityhex3729]

Awesome glad I'm getting punished for enjoying the game I want Even though my teammates drop all the time very cool arrowhead.

[@Equal88]

I feel like stealth doesn’t work as intended aswel . Or see players online do stealth plays but with me one bot will run up even when m prone moving away and was never seen . This used to be if you make a sound or something but now they just randomly move and run to my direction .

[@AstrusEminus]

9:11 "heavy machine gun launcher" I'm totally down for having one of those in game

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

100% more gun per gun!

[@prozenflame]

You just stopped a lot of Breaches at 4:50, they gotta reward those plays with a base cooldown when you interrupt a bug (without the need of the breach passive)

[@rapatouille]

he flicked to the commander real quick lol

[@JohnShepard3558]

Happy to see a lot of these buffs, but nerfing things because they’re popular isn’t a good ideology for game balance. Already wasn’t using the Quasar that much but that nerf has locked it out of my loadout for good.

[@thenson1Halo]

It is the Blizzard balance philosophy. I thought other studios would've learned from that catastrophic failure.

[@platyhelminthes2877]

I think a one or two second increase in cooldown time would have been more acceptable than the five second increase we got.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Stop being a drama queen over nerfs. Everyones so quick to drop weapons just because the word nerf was mentioned or a stat was lowered. Stop going with the mentality of locking shit out for not being perfect, and experiment with more weapons. The new scythe is excellent. Blitzer now shoots and cycles 50% faster. Senator has a speed loader and a corrected sight now.

[@platyhelminthes2877]

@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Some of the nerfs are more or less consequential, depending on how they fit into your preferred playstyle. Having used the Quasar today, it still plays fundamentally the same as it did before. On the other hand, the eruptor is no longer genuinely useful as an AoE weapon. It retains it's utility vs things like nursery spewers, but it no longer plays in a way that is generally useful to my playstyle. Most of the buffs seem much less dramatic, in comparison. The damage buffs to the "true" laser weapons are nice, but it didn't make them viable (for me at least). In general, the buffs seem very conservative. The arc Blitzer did get dramatically more tolerable to use, but it still seems bizarrely inconsistent. On solo I was getting excellent use out of it, gunning down crowds of chaff and popping the heads of larger armored bugs with ease. However, when I was playing with others I noticed many of my shots stunning enemies ineffectually rather than killing them.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@platyhelminthes2877 The buffs seem less dramatic because people that are hyper focused on the meta and their favourite toys don't bother trying out other options as much. So when something they like is nerfed, it's suddenly the end of everything. But all the other buffs given to other weapons are practically invisible because they don't pay attention to those guns in the first place. Blitzer isn't for a consistent precision fire. It's about stunning, running and repeat. It definitely could use tweaking in how it tracks targets but overall still a great gun. Laser weapons are 100% viable now. For clarification, I don't consider viable to mean *"does it work on helldive or not?"* I consider 8 to the be the highest in terms of fair but fun, and there's nothing wrong with a lower difficulty mission once in a while. Tried out difficulty 6 and Laser performed excellent overall as a primary against bugs, which is especially impressive considering bugs were lasers weakest matchup. Eruptors aoe was always a side benefit. Biggest advantage was its explosive and stunning capabilities which it still has. Impact nades still clear out squads like crazy anyway

[@HeavenlyPress]

Ngl, all these arbitrary tweaks just to shake up the meta, which is only the meta because higher difficulty spam us with heavy armor, is getting real old, real fast. Why don’t they tweak the spawn rates of heavy armor so to avoid the one size fits all style load outs. There’s hunter planets & spitter planets, why not have a planet with higher spawn of heavy armored enemies? Or maybe even missions that will have you clear heavily armored outposts and nests but with higher levels of samples/ slips & bonds. Just SOMETHING to give people the option to gear themselves more towards heavy armor rather than running to META to even stand a chance at extraction.

[@thiccfila]

I think more than the overhyped weapons were mostly viable. You could use over 50% of stuff. The real meta has always been understanding enemy mechanics.

[@sultryjmac]

This is absolute nonsense. There are demonstrably weapons that are just not good. That's most of them. The mechanics dictate that.

[@HeavenlyPress]

@@thiccfilaright, that’s what I think I’d rather see them lean more into, rather than random tweaks it seems. Idk there could be something coming that makes it all make sense but I don’t see it happening

[@j0shbear628]

Way more weapons are viable than only the “meta weapons.” I hate to say “skill issue,” but if you need meta weapons to stay alive, then idk 🤷

[@MajorSquiggles]

This is something that all game devs and dumb casual players don't understand. Change for the sake of change is not good. That's how you break your game and you'll spend all your time trying to fix it. Like you said come up with a reason for change. Introduce a new challenge that requires a new strategy or weapon to beat. Otherwise you still have a stale meta it just looks different on the surface. Whether I'm using a rail gun or Quasar, if I'm still doing the exact same thing as always it's boring.

[@darkchild130]

Shitting on solo players is a baffling decision Edit: I have never seen a community dickride a developer so hard 😂. "Let's defend the decision to deliberately alienate a large amount of paying customers." Great hill to die on guys 👍

[@wadesheckles5420]

Its a multiplayer game, people who play solo miss THE ENTIRE POINT of the game

[@RezaQin]

So? Just let people be solo if they want.

[@MajorSquiggles]

​@@wadesheckles5420The entire point is to have fun solo or not.

[@vcqrsfdwc1987]

@@wadesheckles5420 if ppl are playing it SOLO it means 1 they paid for this game LIKE EVERYONE ELSE 2 they play it WITHOUT DISTURBING ANYONE ELSE so what's the point of messing with a solo player? just because those abusive devs (aka @-Oles) wanna torture other people? oh w8 I guess they RLY DO!

[@3ZKZSting]

Riiiiiight... Whilst Arrowhead keep shitting on solo players imma keep playing Monster Hunter Rise...

[@ethanhatfield3660]

My question is why are patrol spawns INCREASING as the squad gets smaller???

[@janniszimbalski6652]

I think it‘s just not decreasing as much as it used to.

[@veterangamer3807]

Because the realized experience players farm xp in 7 days to arrive to lvl 150, I keep playing solo missions with the update too.

[@shipwrecker37]

@@veterangamer3807 Oh my gosh, that makes total sense now! If a highly coordinated team split up on higher difficulties they could grind super credits, samples, war medals, and XP at an insane rate. This change adds difficulty for anyone running and gunning solo and not playing with the team. That all said, I have mixed feelings about it. What about people who enjoy solos or duos?

[@veterangamer3807]

@@shipwrecker37 you can still do it if i can you can do it duos !

[@samturner6061]

"I'm not having fun using any of those weapons, they suck. I only want to use this weapon." Arrowhead: Well I'll fuckin make that one suck too, then!!! This is literally how they're treating their playerbase.

[@LaserTractor]

Yeah F players F youtubers F to fun game Game must be hard, guns must jam, also lets nerf everything Stuрid fuскs

[@Vorchitect]

yeah its really fucking annoying lol

[@AfroMan187]

Too much piss in your cereal bowl fellas, its not worth getting that mad over

[@kingrat2122]

​@@LaserTractor stay pissed loser 🙏

[@LaserTractor]

@@AfroMan187 it is worth it. Game was great. Why ruining it? Everyone had high hopes for this week's patch. Memes and jokes turned out to be real - it's nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs again. Game is still playable. The direction in which it's going is really what bothers the most

[@25xxfrostxx]

Enemy Patrols Patrol spawning has been increased when there are fewer than 4 players. The fewer the players the bigger the change. For 4 player missions there will be no change compared to before.The biggest noticeable change will be for solo players at higher difficulties They're still ass mad that people are good at their game though.

[@AnthonyLopez-br9xn]

It like they don’t want one helldiver to survive.

[@ArheIy]

​​​@@AnonD38"Y'all" - who? Who are those "all"? I'm a solo player, on occasion playing in duo with my friend. I said nothing about difficulty, I've minded my own business and had fun. Now the game is practically unplayable for me. If you think that it's fair and devs should further balance things around less than 10% d*ckheads that always talk sh*t in the internet - you're a part of that problem too.

[@storm___]

@@AnonD38 who was bitching? seriously? lol

[@storm___]

@@AnonD38 lol okay big man

[@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot]

Maybe solo players should stop bitching about how easy it is lol

[@carlcowin2246]

Arc Thrower now has NO stagger on Hulks. Mildly terrifying discovering this in game...

[@AnthonyLopez-br9xn]

F*ck NO!

[@roguefiend]

Damn that's tough, arc thrower has very little uses anyways now it's going to irrelevant

[@brettbishopp6651]

Guess I'm not using it anymore. Good thing I didn't spend all my samples on that ship upgrade

[@brettbishopp6651]

​@@AnonD38they mentioned it takes more to stager hulks. They buffed the hulk, not nerf the arc thrower

[@AnthonyLopez-br9xn]

@@brettbishopp6651 no but it will make this harder when fighting hulks now

[@Turbo.Virgin_]

LET'S GO, SENATOR SPEEDLOADER

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

Senator Speedloader sounds like a forgotten Warner Bros. Looney Toons/Merrie Melodies character

[@Pikmin012]

Yosemite Sam's missing partner, Senator Speedloader.

[@Bogosbinte]

Lets just say... this makes my iron... big. Also my name has been arizona ranger for years now so this outa be good

[@twistsnakeanklesvids261]

The floor recognizes Senator Speedloader of Super Nevada.

[@lightsourcex]

RIGHT?!

[@Applebees42069]

I hate how they balance this game.

[@Applebees42069]

@@Nathan_Morganthe weapons the nerf will often not even be op. Just strong but more often they just feel good. And other weapons will not feel good. Instead of making all weapons feel good. They nerf more then they buff.

[@slipknnnot]

Nothing else was even remotely enjoyable or viable… It’s as if they want us to experience that lvl 15 just unlocked hell dive difficulty vibe where your loadout is just trash and you’re relying on getting carried by your teammates except they want to extend that to the endgame

[@CeresOutpost]

It really shouldn't need much balancing. It's not a PvP game, it's a FUN PvE game that people play to have a great time and relax. Give us our powerful weapons and then throw interesting challenges at us. Leave the damned weapons alone, unless they are broken.

[@olympusdevil3013]

Im seriously annoyed by how the developers nerf guns unnecessarily. The developers need to assess each weapon objectively and balance them accordingly, not based on how frequent the community use/hype a certain weapon. I don't need the developers to coax me into using a gun I'm not into.

[@theknifesong]

Yeah it feels like as soon as I grind to a weapon or just hear that one is good they come out with a balance patch right away.

[@sl1ghtly_h1ght_k1tty6]

The eruptor was by no means an op weapon, that nerf was just unfair

[@MrWiggz69]

Either of the nerfs would have been fine but both just doesn't make sense. It was already very niche and forced you to run a support weapon to compliment it.

[@Moogle]

If you dont think it was op you werent using it to its full potential.

[@j0shbear628]

@@MrWiggz69 You’ve never used the Eruptor have you? I would literally take it on Helldive bug missions WITHOUT a support weapon because you don’t need one.

[@Fullmetaltracer]

@@j0shbear628sound like arrowhead is erupting in your mouth on the daily lying bitch 😂

[@Quintinius31]

Eruptor has still 30 rounds. If you run out that's definitly a skill issue. Don't shoot at lone small foes, use your side arm and don't be trigger happy. That's it. All the ammo ammount changes are not a nerf

[@leonardorossi998]

The Strider buff might be huge: one of the reasons people chose the Scorcher and the Eruptor for bots was because of their ability to kill strider pilots with explosive damage. If that has been affected, I don't know how they'll fare

[@gungan5822]

Seems like an extra shot to get the job done.

[@leonardorossi998]

@@gungan5822 Well... that's not *too* bad I guess

[@stuflames4769]

I'm more worried about my grenade pistol. I was comfortable taking whatever to bot missions because I could rely on dropping striders with the grenade pistol in a pinch.

[@leonardorossi998]

@@stuflames4769 After trying it, I'd say the Autocannon has been indirectly nerfed. You now need two shots to the front plate to take them down. Which is a problem if you have to deal with 5-6 of them at a time. Which is a problem considering reloading an autocannon is a commitment. It seems you can still kill them in 1 hit if you hit them in the joint, but I have never gotten situations where I killed multiple striders with one shot.

[@Splaffy-0-]

For anyone who thinks the railgun got buffed, it actually got HEAVILY nerfed you used to be able to stun bile titans out of spewing which gave EXTREMELY valuable distance if you got cut off from your team, and you can no longer stun hulks if you miss the one shot to the visor, yay. you also could stun chargers out of a charge with a headshot thats gone aswell

[@tobiasrietveld3819]

The airburst simply should be programmable fuse through a rangefinder.

[@iceball448]

It seemed all the less used weapons i loved got buffed, started to fall in love with the scythe and the bonus DPS on that plus the handgun laser, cant wait to try it. Also nice to see the speed reload

[@garrettlee4463]

The Quasar cannon is the most self-sufficient rocket launcher so it will have an inflated play rate from that. However, it was almost a direct upgrade to the recoilless as it was too similar in damage output with none of the drawbacks (no ammo, no standing still to reload, no taking up a backpack slot). We'll see if the 5 seconds was too heavy-handed but a change was needed.

[@Electric_Feelz]

OR... get this: upgrade the useless recoilless rifle. Faster reload, more ammo, more damage. Now both guns are good and everyone is happy.

[@EmeraldGoose]

Tested new eruptor and felt nothing super crazy with the nerf. Might want to stay near some ammo though. You no longer get sucked in by the explosion if too close, but you seem to be more likely to die.

[@NoHands46]

Use a supply pack. It's really powerful when using an AMR too.

[@Goober762]

@@NoHands46with the nerf the guard dog rover got that might be a good idea

[@NoHands46]

@@Goober762 you can spam the AMR with that pack too! Haven't tried it myself but it looks pretty fun!

[@davidweaver4436]

I'm getting sick of the nerfs to good weapons. It's not even like they're that OP. It just feels like they wanna slap our favorite toys out of our hands. Some good buffs, but some baffling nerfs. Like... the rover wasn't even THAT popular anymore. I could go multiple matches without seeing one and I stopped using it because it did too much damage to myself or teammates and was annoying. It really feels like they nerf things to force variety rather than trying to get the game to a state that really makes you think about your options. There are numerous (slightly less after this patch I guess) weapons that need a lot of attention, meanwhile what tools we have that ARE reliable keep getting hamstrung. That hotfix better address the broken explosion physics if they're nerfing the Eruptor to that degree... Edit: Oh, the explosion thing was fixed in THIS patch. I guess I'm slightly less upset now.

[@stuflames4769]

Laser Rover is/was everywhere and was way OP compared to its ballistic counterpart. Pretty much all the nerfs were reasonable balancing. The only one that actually sounds a bit heavy handed is the Eruptor.

[@rawrxdtonepforme9360]

I agree man, it's dumb. NONE of the things that got nerfed should have been nerfed. Hell I had stopped seeing Sickles every mission for weeks. This shit is giving me rainbow 6 siege flashbacks.

[@rawrxdtonepforme9360]

​@@stuflames4769then make the ballistic one not shit. Don't nerf something just because it's alternatives are literally garbage. Hell don't ner something just because it's picked a lot like with the quasar. Thats how you get siege.

[@stuflames4769]

@@rawrxdtonepforme9360 the Rover trivialized bug swarm. Literally could just run around or run away without addressing them, with infinite ammo and no reload. And... I bet it still does all that. Just maybe I'll actually have to turn to address swarm, or consider a different backpack/strategem slot. The Sickle "nerf" isn't even worth talking about. Who is burning multiple mags with it? Supposedly it can shoot through brush now so if true it in fact got a buff. In fact overall the players as a whole got several buffs making them generally more powerful as a this patch. Several fixes, ammo economy will be better with the fixed upgrade, armor better, and more.

[@SirMattomaton]

What are you guys talking about?!?! The rover isn't mentioned in the notes. It's the AX/AR-23 Guard Dog... Which is STILL insanely stupid to nerf because I never saw anyone use it. Now it's *super* useless.

[@wilcd7340]

Did a bunch of testing. The best changes is that that rail gun feels great / ark blitzer will ABSOLUTELY be nerfed. It shoots super fast. I ran around half aiming my shots sorta like quick scoping and everything smaller than a charger evaporated. Bile spewers 2 shot in the head and sometimes 1 shot. Few shots for hive guards. 1-2 shot brood commanders head. Everything else one shot. I was even running head first into hunter packs and quick scoping every thing into oblivion. Infinite ammo plus huge damage. It’s absolutely cracked against bugs.

[@YureiOni]

That’s a 100% nerf on crossbow. Damn.. I really liked that weapon but it was already underwhelming. Now it sounds even worse.

[@justinroberts1290]

I wonder if the scythe damage buff applies to the guard dog, thus making the damage nerf to the guard dog a counter balance, it might be only a slight nerf if I'm right.

[@stuflames4769]

I kinda doubt it but it's worth consideration!

[@nathanbustamante1525]

It always seemed like the guard dog rover was stronger than the scythe primary. But perhaps that is because the rover doesn't really miss.

[@Target135]

4:01 why you leaving that poor, lonely, common sample behind 😢

[@KhanKhav7]

I'm gonna tried and see if I like railgun. It was my favorite support weapon. Crossbow nerf was pretty funny this weapon was ass now it's super ass 😂

[@ten-xlegacy4033]

Nah, I bet the crossbow's gonna be overall nicer to use now. They gave it a rebalance, not a nerf. That stagger and shot speed is gonna be a lot more powerful than you might I itially think. Stagger makes weapons good really easily

[@KhanKhav7]

@@ten-xlegacy4033 I want to use explosive crossbow for explosive not stagger.

[@dimains6011]

Can't even finish a mission without crashing out. Well done, Arrowhead.

[@squizzlygrirrel6227]

looks like a scorcher nerf with the change to scout striders.

[@rudrod95_41]

Hopefully plasma punisher still one shots em. Saw my buddy using it yesterday and was surprised by its efficacy. Having not used it against bots yet myself

[@gungan5822]

Probably 1 extra shot.

[@phdbot4483]

@@rudrod95_41 Just tried it myself. I needed two shots of the Plasma Punisher to kill the Scout Strider pilot now. Same for the exploding crossbow, eruptor, autocannon, etc. They're not as trivial to remove with explosives, but I'm overall happy with the Punisher Plasma's buffs.

[@meridianline4022]

Just use a grenade

[@Acesahn]

Wait, the scorcher will no longer blast through their shields...? That's the main reason to use a scorcher...

[@cqc2238]

I’m done. I’ve got “rebalance” exhaustion.

[@cyriloboco3083]

For real. I stopped playing the game about a month ago. It's too sweaty now

[@golevka]

"Above 100 armor rating" wonder if that means > Greater Than, or does it mean => Equal to or Greater Than? Bc I use the B-08 Light Gunner a lot and I'm wondering if it'll receive headshot reduction

[@rayakoth]

The AR rover nerf felt unjust. I get it if they nerfed the laser one, but the AR one? What is the pay off for limited ammo and the downtime when it goes to back to the your back to reload? v.v

[@deadlyapollo]

senator got a red dot sight, quasar extra 5 seconds is rough, adjudicator is nice.....er, blitzer and scythe is actually usable now, grenade glitch still works, overall a very nice patch.

[@jamesmoelling3766]

Personally I think the quasar needed that neef

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@jamesmoelling3766 Yeah, that thing was kinda OP, straight up better laser cannon.

[@MrUniq]

Scythe was already effective...now it's going to be a default for many people.

[@Reverae]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Not a better laser cannon but a better recoiless rifle. Laser cannon has a different niche of being able to handle multiple groups of heavy enemies uch as devastators in a short period of time and also kill chaff enemies.

[@Reverae]

@@MrUniq Wdym effective, NOBODY used the scythe. I think you're mistaking it for the sickle which had a nerf to its magazine but I doubt it would affect it since I rarely ever needed to use more than 3 mags on it.

[@antonbengard4221]

How on Super Earth is the Quasar a sidegrade to the Recoilless? Comparable damage, comparable reload/recharge e crept one doesn't require you to be immobile, and one has infinite ammo. If it was a sidegrade people would actually be using the recoilless.

[@MundaneAxiom]

Don't forget it also works without a backpack

[@KANISAMA.]

It had overall faster firerate even before the Quaso nerf and speed reload with a teammate is an option.

[@thiccfila]

Not just the faster reload solo, as well as team reload speed. Quasar also has a wind up, and given that bile titans must be hit while not spitting, and in the forehead, that is very relevant. It is also a sidegrade to EAT. Because EAT can be ran with any other mobbing support weapon, it has a use case over the other two there. This is what you call side grades. There are pros and cons to each while doing the same damage.

[@ouzelswing4529]

so why people aren't using other weapons?@@thiccfila

[@OP10thNakama]

​@@ouzelswing4529I'll answer this because even though there is a con to charge time. It's a con that most consider to be less annoying than just calling in another drop pod with eats. No matter how much you crunch the numbers on "how comparable" they are. The quasar is considered to be the far more convenient option. And even I agree that the charge time was a more than reasonable trade off for literally infinite uses Now the quasar fits into a good support role for a team but it shouldn't be the pick for the entire squad.

[@gonozal8_962]

how exactly does the packaging upgrade work? if I use supply backpack, does it affect teammates who don’t have the upgrade?

[@Dudebalf]

I would sometimes pick Quaser, but the charge up time is already a pain and now even more cooldown. It does sometimes feel that they don't properly consider the scenarios you can end up in. Yesterday I was in a eradication mission with 1 friend. It was only on difficulty 6, but we got 4 Bile Titans at the same time, I can't for the life of me figure out how they expect us to deal with something like that on such a small map. Then in another we got 1 in total, same difficulty.

[@N7_Bunny]

The dominator nerf is unwarranted. Could you do a video about the performance of all primary weapon ?

[@AmRazzie]

Dominator nerf doesn't change much for it's main usage, it still takes the same amount of shots to kill devastators, berserkers and infrantry units.

[@N7_Bunny]

@@AmRazzie can it still destroy terminid fast and does it keep its 1 shot headshot damage against devastator and the riot shield guy ?

[@Mithguar]

They overtuned it in the buff. It still has monster stagger so small damage nerf is no issue. I T was OK before the big buff, it was busted after the buff. I expected nerf to be like 250 damage so we got off easy.

[@skyfire_swe8520]

Agreed. It was usable before neef, but there were better options so I stopped using it. Now it's worse 👍

[@lejenddairy]

It really wasn’t that big of a nerf. I doubt people are going to notice that it does 25 less damage per shot.

[@patrickbonnette1701]

I already used the counter sniper a lot pre buff so this is really nice

[@thomasrobach3552]

The Plasma Punisher seems to be bugged, the projectile instantly explodes and kills you when you are using the shield backpack at the same time. Or is that how it's supposed to work?

[@gungan5822]

Haha, no I don't think so.

[@zappli45]

We all saw the quasar nerf coming.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

it didn't really make sense, how good it was

[@infernalskepandaen2127]

Apparently killing bile titans with five to six shots was too powerful

[@Turnil321]

@@infernalskepandaen2127 killing a charger in 1 shot is.

[@Mithguar]

​@@infernalskepandaen2127have you tried hitting head? 2 shots, same as EATs.

[@NoHands46]

​@@infernalskepandaen2127 it's always been two shots to the forehead for every rocket launcher.

[@BIGmlems]

Ballistic shield/senator here I come 😁

[@slyder6821]

If they upgraded the liberator, does that mean the liberator that the guard dog rover uses is buffed?

[@shadowpaw2873]

I've been getting a new bug when calling strategems at the start of a mission. I've had guard dog rover and quasar call down and dissappear right before it hits the ground or it's just going through the planet. No impact Mark or the pod it comes down in but I still have to wait the full cooldown to call again which really messes up those 12-15minute missions

[@DarthShyon]

Same with my laser cannon & tac pack

[@Swampdonkey796]

Seems like they nerfed some of the stuff just to say they nerfed it lol but with the armor it sounds like only extra padding medium armor and heavy armor will have reduced headshot damage and everything else will be the same as before the patch which is stupid if that’s how it is

[@calluxdoaron1903]

Heavy armor gaming!

[@madmans1419]

I feel like the quasar nerf was warranted. Previously i had no reason to run any other at weapon. Eat is useless unless u rly want to run another support, and recoiless taking up a backback slot and needing stationary reload is absolute buttcheeks.

[@millerrepin4452]

The recoiless rifle is good in a group. Quasar is good for running and gunning especially without teammate support. Most players don't work as a team so the Quasar strengths were preferred.

[@cyriloboco3083]

Plus 5 second cooldown is a bit too much imo

[@saltydog7482]

I have been maining the crossbow and punisher plamsa and thst ammo decrease is kinda rough. When you said the decrease in mags I was hoping for at least slightly larger magazines

[@notawehraboo6159]

the regular diligence can 1 tap devastators. the punisher plasma can't fire through your portable shield, it'll just hit you instead so it's not worth using rn if you use the portable shield.

[@kylepassey7813]

Agree 100% with the Quasar Cannon. I liked using it over EATs because it's more convenient but EATs have the benefit of being a lot more reactionary and you can shoot them rapidly if you have some already deployed. The same thing kind of happened with the Rail Gun, just because it was convenient and people liked using it over equally strong yet less convenient support weapons it was hit with a huge nerf.

[@Mithguar]

Agreed. And looks like they have better idea of what they want Railgun identity to be compared to other start weapons. That is less stagger and more pen/damage. Which I think is good idea to get it back to being good tool that isn't just easy mode. They nerfed it too hard back then but it was a too good at everything.

[@OP10thNakama]

​@@Mithguara lot of the over powered-ness of the rail gun was due to the ps5 host bug that made the rail gun 1-2 shot bile titans. And also not having the quasar at the time. If safe shots can now strip charger legs and deal with Hulk and Strider legs to them then the rail gun is definitely in a good position again

[@Shoddragon]

Agreed it needed a nerf but a 50% nerf to recharge time feels like a LOT. It feels like wayyyyy too much.

[@OP10thNakama]

@@Shoddragon imo recharge should be long but to compensate have the charge to fire be reduced BY 1 second. not to 1

[@ghosty6201]

They can do whatever, but it becomes highly annoying when they tweak everything but refuse to fix the damn thing. Spear targeting, arc thrower misfires, guard dog rover nerf when it doesnt even target 30% of the time. Everything has glitches and bugs and thats the biggest reason they don't feel good

[@mist12345678910]

Been running medium armor and have been not losing 80% of my health on a head hit. Hopefully it's not a placebo effect lol. Need to see some testing to make sure

[@DubbaDaveski]

Dude not the eruptor wrf? The splash helped with how much the thing fuxkign sways.

[@varski76]

I have to try these changes myself but based around looking this video I would say this is a solid patch they have made. Only thing that kinda seemed odd was the crossbow.

[@TehFishey]

the issue with the crossbow (I imagine) was that it was essentially a better version of the punisher plasma as it was - they did more-or-less the exact same thing, but the bow did it with more ammo and less falloff. New xbow seems to be a lot more of a 'marksman' weapon; the aoe nerf makes it harder to one-shot groups, and the projectile velocity makes it much easier to blow up individual medium targets at range. It's less a matter of nerfs and more a matter of moving the gun to a different niche.

[@varski76]

@@TehFishey Yeah I was not trashing on it that they have changed it. I have to test all of them to get a feel for them but crossbow one seemed odd to me. Now that you have given your take it kinda makes more sense. And one thing that was bothering me using it was the lack of knockback. I am interested to try these changes when I have the time to do so.

[@Thatbeardedguy86]

Yeah everyone is crying and complaining before they’ve even played at all. Chill out for a second and see how it feels. Then if it’s horrid, fine complain.

[@strygian192]

they must have noticed the 10 people using it were starting to have fun and enjoy themselves

[@Fightersword]

The queso cannon is still a passive reload, allowing the full attention spent on reloading a recoilless/spear or playing around with an EAT pod to be spent doing other things. I think given that fact, if they were going to nerf it at all this was probably the better way to do so.

[@stuflames4769]

Yeah this was coming a long way off.

[@monio1123]

I've been loving Bullet rover before the patch. Haven't used it on new patch, but I just hope that in the future, overworld ammo boxes will also resupply it.

[@speedyazi5029]

As a Liberator fanboy I’m glad it get some love. Hated how the Sickle overshadowed. The Laser Cannon Large Volume Bodies doesn’t seem clear to me. I don’t know if it means that Large Volume of a specific enemy (like the big hunk of metal of a Hulk or the sac of a Bile Spewer) it does less damage or it does less damage to big enemies. Because it seems weird to me that they used Large Volume bodies and not ‘weak spots’ so I don’t think the weak spot damage got nerfed. After all, the Laser Cannon was king of Weakspot kills.

[@thiccfila]

I think if I'm interpreting it correctly, it got buffed vs smaller enemies, same damage vs big ones. Which I am completely ok with.

[@dracopsycho0]

I think they mean things like Shrieker nests, possibly automaton turrets (not in heatsinks)

[@jamesmoelling3766]

Agreed I love the default liberator, I keep trying new weapons but always circle back to liberator.

[@Alienoiable]

basically : buffed the damage but nerfed the damage against big bodies. better TTK on small enemies, no changes on larger ones.

[@mossblomma]

Large volume bodies refers to "durable body parts" IIRC, like the bile spewers green sac or the chargers' ass, basically the parts that give you a red hit marker but has massive damage reduction against non-explosive damage. So I think this is a nerf against bugs but a buff against bots, but I'd need to try that out to be sure.

[@alcatraz-nc2814]

They definitely nerfed the crossbow. The weapon used to have a bigger AOE but despite the higher damage number displayed it lacked (and still lack) actual penetration which meant if you face anything that medium armor then you better be ready to spend your amunition or switch to another weapon. And the thing I'm kind of mad about is that the Eruptor which you can get earlier, does the same job as crossbow but better AND has utility in the form of closing hole. It one shots armored bile spewer, it one shot stalkers and also has about the same AOE as the crossbow. Now the crossbow behave like a Scorcher but worse. You do feel the stagger especially against bot but you only have 5 ammo and you dont shoot as fast as the Scorcher. And again, you lack actual penetration so if you dont land headshot you will only be delaying your death by a few seconds. I honestly dont get why they felt the need to make a Scorcher in crossbow flavor but I am never picking this weapon again for bug that's for sure. The Arc Blitzer though is now very nice to play with and basically replaced the crossbow, at least on the bug side. The faster firing rate means you can actually use this weapon more offensively now rather than just defensively and Stalker hate that.

[@King_Ekolin]

I accidently blocked my friend while spamming join but the block list is empty. I've seen this issue on reddit, everyone's block list is empty even when blocking people. Because the list is empty i can't unblock him. It really sucks that i did that and we can't play for nearly a month at this point

[@edwardp4038]

As eruptor and senator main im fine. As long as i can still use it to clear bug holes and one shot vile spitters from 100m away and now i can get 6 rounds into the senator easy?

[@xMusiq.]

How do they not at least know about the bug that occurs that causes an extraction ship to instantly depart without a countdown? I've left behind so many samples because of that.

[@Moogle]

ive only had that happen once in over 50 games to be fair

[@thecaller2894]

It's not a bug, it's a feature. If the extraction ship gets excessively damaged it departs asap.

[@xMusiq.]

@thecaller2894 for real? I didn't know that.

[@calluxdoaron1903]

@@thecaller2894 nah, had that bug in blitz mission with 4 mates. We cleared the map after Pelican landed, with it fully functional (no smoke or fire, fight was away from it), hugged each other and... It extracted only me.

[@Thatbeardedguy86]

@@Moogleyeah same. One time in about 140 hours. Was weird as hell though and confused everyone

[@epicoozyguide3888]

Never used the railgun and now they nerf my Quasar Cannon and Sickle. time to take a break until they fix it

[@thefox5301]

Sickle is basically the same so shut yout mouth and learn to manage your shots better 😂

[@Axel23410]

Skill issue

[@stuflames4769]

If anything the sickle got a buff if it can shoot through brush now. You were really burning that many mags with the sickle?

[@stuflames4769]

They're not going to "fix" what isn't broken.

[@Thatbeardedguy86]

lol come on man. It’s not that deep. If you want to stop fine but it’s a dumb reason honestly. Through every nerf and buff people have screamed about there’s been a great load out to use. And they’re adding more monthly.

[@SquanchyCatDad]

That bullet ricochet against heavy armor is going to get a lot of trigger happy people killed and they won't even know why lol.

[@graytatehoward]

Sickle can also shoot through foliage now apparently?? Net buff I’d say

[@SpinosaurusStudios_]

Quasar nerfed into the ground… billions must switch to autocannon

[@WONKEYgames]

Then they will nerf the auto cannon if everyone uses it.

[@kirkginoabolafia3650]

I would cry and shit my pants if they nerfed the autocannon

[@Strothix]

That Eruptor nerf is actually a lot more then just a "slight" aoe nerf. Slight.. I shot two packs of closed in hunters and and killed 2-3 of them or sometimes even just the one hunter the projectile itself hit.

[@Usernamehear]

I did not even bother getting comfortable with the quasar cannon because I knew it was going to be cut down

[@GolemRising]

Tried the Erupter out, felt the same. Can still blast holes in groups of advancing units, especially bugs. Maybe kill 1-2 fewer basic troopers when shooting up at dropships.

[@Dracasus]

Weapons needed buffs not nerfs... a bit disappointing 😢

[@danielearl3591]

They did? There were like, 3 actual nerfs (crossbow, quasar and rover) and 12 buffs. The “nerfs” to the dominator and eruptor barely change their playstyle at all

[@Dracasus]

@danielearl3591 probably a bit of bias from my part since they nerfed my favorite weapons, but in this type of game, I would rather have them buff the weapons that underperform and put then on par with the others.

[@UnknownRex]

You are right, don't understand the quasar nerf. it was pretty fun as is, and needed skill to aim right and to time when you need and use the shots. Hardly OP when the alternative it just to willy nilly call down EAT's all the time.

[@hesoyam881]

The quasar cannon is a little better than the EAT in terms of utility. You can use it to blow open containers, bug holes, illegal broadcast stations and all those minor things without the feeling of "wasting a shot". It feels like a waste to use an EAT on these things, knowing that a Charger or Bile titan could have just been around the corner

[@UnknownRex]

@@hesoyam881 Fair point that. Then again, I got my secondary grenade launcher on standby :) Might give the new dagger a spin tho! Best thing is just to test it all live I suppose.

[@Thatbeardedguy86]

I “understand” the nerf. It was too good not to take. I don’t get nerfs in PVE games unless something is stupidly broken and just one shots everything in sight.

[@TheChrisLeone]

I accidentally shot a teammate with my incendiary shotgun today, he was able to live without diving on to the ground. Usually when people run in front of my shots they burn to death

[@TheGreatChrisB]

The Plasma Punisher blows up in your face if you're wearing a shield LMAO

[@jameswyman3973]

Best helldivers 2 channel, hands down. Just down to earth. Thank you sir.

[@hampdog5716]

Down to Super Earth

[@twiggsherman3641]

It's a co-op game. So many nerfs just ruin the fun. We should be doing a bunch of damage, not moderate amounts of damage, then running around trying to find ammo crates.

[@Mithguar]

You know you can have supply backpack, right? Solves all ammo issues. Also, resupply strat you can call in on cd, not once or twice per mission. The more often you use it, the more you get through the mission as there is no usage limit.

[@edogmx1605]

You forget it isn't a pve game but a pvj game

[@GhostHomerPT]

then players will complain that it's too easy. Players always complain about something.

[@twiggsherman3641]

@@Mithguar so a mandatory backpack eliminating backpack support weapons and never splitting up in 2's to better comb the map, otherwise one crew would be hogging resupplies. Definitely sounds like an awesome solution.

[@theredsalmon612]

That is a terrible take. The reason this game is so good is because it’s difficult at higher difficulty. If you can’t take it, play on lvl 3 difficulty…. No shame in that.

[@BrandonTConklin]

Guard Dog Rover gets a 30% decrease in damage....teammates still die from its laser in .05 seconds

[@patrickhamos2987]

yeah i tried the crossbow, and I just played with this hours before the patch. It sucks now, at least as a primary. The reduced explosion radius makes it too much of a chore to keep up with hordes. it has better impact but, that's kinda useless tbh.

[@berserkerpride]

Senator got a speedloader! Gotta try that. The redeemer got more recoil but that falls in line with how the weapon maybe should have behaved. If I had to guess, laser cannon does more damage overall but less against large body parts on devastators like torso when not hitting a weakspot like head, rocketpods, or laser minigun.

[@Screech2111]

It feels awesome. Full reload should be slightly below 2.5 seconds (didn't use a stopwatch while testing)