....No Base? - MindHawk's Challenge Gauntlet: Legacy of the Void - pt3

[@Evan-mt7bc]

Mindhawk is so troll, force you to use Stalkers for 3 missions, tempt you with Dragoon buffs, make you hate Stalkers by throwing nothing but their counters at you then the first mission where you have the chance to get rid of Stalkers they are mandatory.

[@runtergerutscht4401]

Mental chllenge gauntlet indeed

[@olegoleg258]

Honestly I feel like the mission might possibly be doable with dragoons, since (if I remember correctly) the shadow zealots can blink, you just have to snipe the flyers rather than siege tanks and use zealot charges to stun any dangerous ground enemies

[@cooltv2776]

tells you the dragoon is buffed, shows you stalkers at their weakest. then the moment you are given a choice stalkers are the right answer. mindhawk is funny

[@bobsterss]

Within the first minute Grant informs us that MindHawk let him know there's easier difficulties. Definitely not shade. Nope, nobody would ever rib Grant like that.

[@Certifiedgooner]

In the first couple missions, Grant went from “I’m impressed with the challenge” to irritated with some of the new features. Who here would want to play the StarCraft equivalent to getting over it?

[@zaxtonhong3958]

@@Certifiedgooner The same people who play getting over it

[@Ricardo_Rick]

@@Certifiedgooner i mean, people made nightmare version for a reason, right?

[@Ricardo_Rick]

if i ever play it i have a feeling i would need to play on casual XD

[@piotrnapora5810]

At least nightmare is somewhat fair, unlike the challenge gauntlet

[@stylesrj]

It's funny how an ancient worldship with centuries of asteroid impacts has very little resources to harvest but a platform hovering over Augustgrad has entire mineral fields and Vespene Gas... so I'm glad the challenge is that you don't get resources to harvest because it makes sense that Sky Shield wouldn't have geysers or mineral fields.

[@aaronscott7467]

I mean geysers might be exhaust vents, but yeah

[@stylesrj]

@@aaronscott7467 Wouldn't that be the equivalent of using the exhaust fumes of an airplane to fuel your car though?

[@aaronscott7467]

@@stylesrj potentially, or it could be that the motor(or whatever) of the station is really inefficient so you're just filtering out the usable vespene from the unusable exhaust

[@enderofbarts]

It could just be "Hierarch, terran technicians use these vespene vents to fuel their vehicles. The output is less than that of an assimilator, but that's the best we can find here."

[@justanoman6497]

I mean in a lot of sci fi, orbital platforms are actually built on astroids and then moved into orbit. So.... the astroid could have had resource that was not harvested.

[@XupyprKZ]

This Gauntlet compared to previous feels like "That's how Legacy of the Void would go as cinematic experience rather than game." It throws challenges you'd actually expect from desperate Protoss force to face against the monstrous creature that Amon SHOULD be. Terrans using their machinery in tandem with enslaved protoss and zerg, Adun spear being underpowered at Last mission... I am in love with design decisions that both make it hard and, in a sense, look more believable. Love MindHawk ever since I tried Reverse campaign

[@tkalle1299]

I find it funny that Grant thinks the negative connotation of “predator” is the unit from wings of liberty

[@SIMULACRA37]

He's just a goofy little guy

[@Sernyx_X]

​​@@SIMULACRA37GoofyGuyGrant (no longer a giant)

[@mainmarco123]

I appreciate Mindhawk scaling the missions for the other difficulties. I also appreciate Mindhawk being such a troll sometimes. He makes missions not just a fun challenge, but trolls ya with stuff like making Stalker's feel so weak mission 1 and 2, then makes them the key to the 4th mission when you get the buffed Dragoons. Well done sir, and keep up the good fight Grant! Also, I am sure you already have a lot of the game recorded, but would be cool to show Spear of Adun set up pre mission. Always fun to hear your logic and reason for what modifiers you take/powers you take!

[@luketalbot2643]

The Dragoon in this mod seems really good! And I like that a lot of these missions are more gas starved, forces you to actually use zealots instead of just mono-Stalkers

[@justanoman6497]

in combat regen of shield makes shield and hp armor upgrade really good, because when you are low on shield, *both* applies. You have extra probes that aren't doing anything, I think you should use them to pick up resource instead of using your full army, that will save you some time. Especially over having to walk your slow dragoons back into an area you've already cleared before (since the resource drop aren't instant). It's not a big deal if you lose a couple since you only really need one to build stuff(after which, probably use a zealot for the job instead. But not your army either way). I'd say put two probes on two different command group. One closely follow your forces to pick up pre-placed pallet. One that goes from cleared point to cleared point to pick up the dropped resource when they do spawn.

[@cancerguy5435]

I think it's actually intended to pull the probes at the beginning to get a faster start. After all, you only need a single one on this mission.

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

I bet there's a trigger to hunt down your single probe AND your nexus if your probe counter ever reaches below 2.

[@Medinaxz]

I still think dragoons would be viable on this mission, but you'd need to be more mindful of your routing and they'd still need some support from the zealot. But you still can't deny the obvious advantage of blink+shield recharge the stalker has.

[@dipolartech]

Dragoons will not be better than mobility+self-heal until they have such long range that they are guardian style ground units that just don't take damage.

[@MrNicoJac]

I think what would make you lose with Dragoons and win with Stalkers is the pick-ups that become accessible with Blink... Seem like that is the crucial difference!

[@olegoleg258]

​@@dipolartecheh, they have longer range which means they can pick units off better, they have higher attack which means they can just kill things faster, and they have higher health + permanent shield regenwhuch makes them better against splash and just more survivable with less need for micro. That said, they also need you to eliminate high value targets like banshees (spear of adun) and siege tanks/marauders (shadow zealots for stun) so they can actually do the thing they're good at, tanking and killing people like an army rather than a strike force. The fact that there are so many pick ups here though means that stalkers very much might be the better choice

[@thest0mpa]

Combat wise i agree that they are similar in power, just with different strengths but i think not having access to a lot of the pickups because of the lack of blink makes them worse

[@MrNicoJac]

_INSANITY_ ...to see Grant _actually enjoying_ a mission that I will fail, _even with_ cheats! O_0

[@eaglepeakalpha]

28:18 Gas gas gas would be a fitting song to have playing during this mission.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

Turning this into a no-build mission reminds me of the one in Brood War that I can't remember the name of. You know the one: "Reinforcements are wn route now, young templar", that one.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Funny how Mindhawk teased Dragoon buffs but the one time Grant goes with them after three levels using Stalkers, Stalkers are the correct unit to beat the level.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

Usually i dislike when the balance consists in nerfing everything instead of buffing the thing that is bad, but in this case since it is a challenge it does make sense tho. Yeah, i guess timed missions will always be very hard indeed, also its sad that Raynor bases don't help you a lot (like with sending little attack waves) since its too much investment for little return, but i guess it would make the challenge not that hard after all, so i get it

[@captaincoldy1192]

Shout-out to my favorite anti-armored that makes Grand's time harder Gotta love em

[@Tyranis326]

I'm wondering if the spinny zealot would have helped on this mission, with the abundance of minerals and their buff to spin damage and bonus damage to building. Maybe you could have cleared a bit of the map faster ? The raven and banshee would have been a pain tho. Nicely done anyway ! Thanks Mindhawk for keeping Grant at the brink of insanity :)

[@KingTigerGuy]

I think the spin zealots are gonna end up being really strong, cause that damage buff is kinda crazy and probably would have helped with clearing some of the side stuff. Overall this mission really seems to be more about how you path and space out the orbitals than anything. I honestly thing you could have done it with dragoons, but would have needed more zealots and to path very carefully. Also the medic being the elite version isnt something i remember being there normally, which may also have been there to encourage zealot use?

[@Lp-gn5hx]

One must not meme for meme's sake. That will only devalue the meme.

[@MindHawkHotS]

🐦

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

Friends let friends meme innocent civilians. I'm proud of you Skipper.

[@ragnarmikk7771]

3:24 that's what she said

[@Blegg000]

I noticed that Raynor parked a science vessel and a medic at the players base. I wonder how much they would have helped if Grant noticed.. But maybe they are there as a trap to lure the player to go home and repair and fail the time limit.

[@demetriousramirez]

he mentions it a couple times I think

[@Ghooostie]

Considering you only have around 13ish minutes to finish the mission, their viability is probably very low. Just not enough time to make use of them.

[@runtergerutscht4401]

Grant totally saw, he just realized this is not very helpful. Who's got time to waddle their dragoons back to base when the mission ends in the next minute

[@MrNicoJac]

They're only useful if you defend right next to them

[@Y0G0FU]

My god MindHawk this mission is insanity xD

[@asdt560]

is it just me, or is left side first just much more powerful than right side first? Because there's 2 spots to clear, with both a bonus objective and the raynor base being conveniently on the way, i'm pretty sure the times are just easier if you go that way.

[@Kayther33]

i think the AI reinforces the places after you rescue an objective

[@BloonHero666]

Didn’t expect to be here so early, popped up in my recommended tab

[@Mada003akamagikarp]

dam i wished grant was more forced to get the raynor bases otherwise i loved the mission

[@MrSendalf]

I think it is kinda meme that you don't save Raynor even if he pays you

[@Motius007]

"Little Changes" Grant says. Sir, MindHawk just removed one core aspect of the game and you call it LITTLE? I tip my head to you.

[@Ghi102]

I wonder if waiting to clear the first sky shield would be a good idea, it would give time to clear up

[@zackwalker2172]

Even with that solar lance change, its still probably the best t2 choice.

[@uggron666]

I can see why Grant would be afraid of not being able to build a base but it seems his fears were base-less.

[@poiuyt975]

26:07 "The stock market is doing well..." That joke didn't age well. :D

[@GreaterGood258]

This was definitely a more interesting challenge than the last 3, you actually have to reconsider how you approach the mission instead of just making the enemy absurdly tough and forcing you to Git Gud. I suppose the first three missions were just too restrictive in their designs to come up with interesting challenges. Kind of a shame that rescuing the Jim bases still isn't worth it even though he's literally paying you.

[@AdeenDragon]

It is such a tease to put healing around the map, but with such a strict time requirement that it’s impossible to use!

[@Kayther33]

Megamind: No base? :(

[@tetegaming7402]

Once again, thanks Jim...

[@taxibutler1858]

Was waiting for this to come out

[@Nekoyashiki-san]

Thanks for the fun! ^^

[@JimboMcBrostein]

Petition to rename this mission "The Moebility Factor"

[@Borsing936]

me when i choose the difficult stalker patch instead of the obvious buffed dragoon path

[@violetnred]

more like Hardcorhal! 🔥

[@wednesdayboy7390]

i would like to see the author(not just MindHawk but under every mod series) thoughts in comments on missions and afterthought it is always interesting

[@JJJBunney001]

There's been plenty of times when mod makers have done that but sometimes there's nothing really to say or they don't want to or they don't watch the videos

[@nirn_]

Here we are

[@expepem189xl3]

It looks like its sooooo well made, i am sure it is, because WoL gauntlet was amazing, but its like whole other level, are dragoons possible here?

[@Ghooostie]

Wow yea, you have like, half the time you normally do in this mission. That's insane.

[@tasuelxd687]

R.I.P. spine crawler family 🙏🙏😔😛

[@dipolartech]

wait... is this mission a no macro mission? Theres only a few k minerals on the entire map?

[@epsilondemon7671]

just curious grant, do you play these the day of release?

[@LixLorn]

grant gets them before release to showcase and bugtest on youtube, they dont usually get released until after his series :)

[@SociallyInept780]

Was Mindhawk Hots Ver cancelled?

[@Kayther33]

Yea, we only got mindhawk ugly ver :(

[@groniteserpent4499]

Mindhawk mods (while hard ) Have that old blizzard energy that I miss...and (imo ) are better designed than the base game

[@Darlf_Sevil]

Nightmer +2

[@talik6]

Nice work cleaning out that base ... not 😄

[@ManAtPogo]

Why not use probes as attack units? Leave one or 2 and go? (SC BW knowledge)

[@ManAtPogo]

I am also thinking about using pylon instead of bombs? It saves you money for more units

[@ManAtPogo]

And. The 3rd something (on the left) - maybe just blinking from main base would be an idea?

[@Ziggy1Faction]

Do you find it in the arcade custom missions?

[@LixLorn]

it's not out yet, it'll be released on the Custom Campaign Manager discord server when Grant finishes the campaign

[@Ziggy1Faction]

@@LixLorn thank you

[@damiens4601]

Why leave the centurions at home at the start ?

[@Desticia-Sisenna]

Wait a minute.. Raynor? Where'd Jaynor go?

[@靈夢x雷諾]

kinda remind me of LotV AI ally but you don't have ally..

[@raynightshade8317]

Aww not as much meme. I figured he could at least make the Challenges memey

[@maca9095]

Finally

[@TOOTHBRUSHDUCK]

The stalker returns? Boo :(