Gibraltar Dispute Explained: Spain vs. UK

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Gibraltar is a small peninsula strategically located at the entrance to the Mediterranean sea. Despite being physically attached to Spain, it is a British overseas territory that is known for its’ iconic limestone rock, Europe’s only monkey population and its' status as a tax haven. It is, however, also one of the few serious territorial disputes in Western Europe - namely, between the United Kingdom and Spain.
Before becoming a part of Great Britain in 1713, Gibraltar was a part of Spain. And ever since Spain lost the territory, the Spanish have been adamant about wanting it back. What makes Gibraltar dispute especially complex is that it's actually three separate disputes in one: Firstly, about Gibraltar as a whole. Secondly, about the Isthmus of Gibraltar, which is a small territory that Spain claims is illegally occupied by the United Kingdom. And Thirdly, about the issue of land reclaimation in Gibraltar. While the dispute's impact on the region was fairly limited due to the European Union, it gained significantly more relevance after the 2016 Brexit vote. This begs the question: Could the Gibraltar dispute be resolved, and if so, how?
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Timestamps:
0:00​ Introduction
1:10 Broad History
5:36 Recent History
7:00 Negotiations over Gibraltar
8:23 Why Gibraltar is hard to solve
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Sources:
Peter Gold (2014) Gibraltar: British or Spanish? Routledge.
Howard S. Levie (1983) The Status of Gibraltar. Routledge.
Edward G. Archer (2013) Gibraltar, Identity and Empire. Routledge.
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[@PoliticswithPaint]

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[@jorgec.a3123]

You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.

[@rosslange1757]

Gibraltar very clearly has territorial waters and are recognised as having so by the international community. Why would you think otherwise?

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters

[@rosslange1757]

Is Spain part of the UN and does it abide by its conventions? I think it does.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?

[@AussiePersian]

I mean it’s hard to take the Spanish seriously when they have very similar enclaves in North Africa that they absolutely refuse to negotiate on.

[@user-dd1gv3sq8d]

yup, never gave it back to us

[@robr1032]

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

[@brandonlyon730]

@@robr1032 The Marinid dynasty would like a word with you.

[@b101uk9]

@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.

[@user-dd1gv3sq8d]

@@robr1032 nope, moroco existed befor spain colonised it

[@Jin-Ro]

As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.

[@jesusbermudez6775]

You are very right. Britain should own the whole of Europe. Why just Europe, why not the whole world?

[@sophiefrancis8295]

@@jesusbermudez6775Pa! We don’t just want planet Earth but the whole universe too! Every planet should be British!

[@ttt2---763]

​@@jesusbermudez6775the world would be far greater if ruled by the British

[@jesusbermudez6775]

If this were so why did so many countries became independent from British rule?@@ttt2---763

[@jesusbermudez6775]

Yes, it should be. What I ask is why when the British ruled over many countries they were not happy and wanted independence? @@sophiefrancis8295

[@History-And-Stuff]

Oh my gosh, it’s the rock!

[@eastgermanballguy332]

da rok :O

[@nikolozgilles]

**Vine boom**

[@albertomunoyerro5562]

Best spanish rock

[@thejoelfromjonkoping]

I hate that you added that in

[@snazzydares8787]

@@albertomunoyerro5562shouldn’t have singed it away then in 1713

[@novedad4468]

Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.

[@littleshep5502]

The UK didn't refuse to return anything, they were given gibraltar in exchange for them pulling out of the war

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Refused to return? They GAVE it to us in exchange for peace?

[@yeahokbuddy2510]

@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever

[@Finnbobjimbob]

@@yeahokbuddy2510 Uhhhhh no?

[@rosslange1757]

I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants. Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.

[@markaxworthy2508]

I never knew Gibraltar has been British longer than it was Spanish!

[@pedritopedrito_]

Eso ni siquiera es verdad

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@pedritopedrito_how long was it Spanish?

[@SuperJibulus]

@@pedritopedrito_disprove it then

[@MrColaKO]

It was part of the Kingdom of Granada before, an integral part of Spain.

[@michaelmccomb2594]

@@MrColaKO the Kingdom of Granada was founded in what year? Around 1500?

[@twestgard2]

If exclaves are bad, North Africa would like a word with Spain.

[@jorgec.a3123]

It's not the same, not at all. To begin with Gibraltar is a recognized colony while Ceuta and Melilla are recognized Spanish land.

[@twestgard2]

@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war. Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain. And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior. Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?

[@twestgard2]

@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd. Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off. And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along. Other than that, lol, sure buddy.

[@jorgec.a3123]

@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.

[@radoslavhandzhiev6977]

Great video! I will never shut up about how awesome and magnificent of a place Gibraltar is!

[@SirEnVo]

I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.

[@johnborland6954]

I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.

[@MrYahboo]

That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.

[@martinrye712]

​@MrYahboo what a load of utter nonsense

[@johnborland6954]

​@@MrYahboomaybe you are right about their culture, but the people of Gibraltar want to be aligned with the UK not Spain.

[@MrYahboo]

@@johnborland6954 absolutely. I'm not saying any different.

[@metaphysicalfuck]

​@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically

[@MichaelWerneburg]

When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!

[@MagicBrianTricks]

More similar to a personal union

[@MrColaKO]

I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships. People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area. I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock. But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.

[@makaveli2tt]

Very interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing

[@mattwilliams3456]

Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.

[@thehistoricalmapper4928]

You should do the conflict over the Russia Kuril island with Japan.

[@Partyrockscool]

Dude the BMW in the Balkans killed me

[@gulyascredo]

I'm going there in a month 😆Very timely video for me. Thanks for the work.

[@FatFerret511]

“Much like a BMW in the Balkans” 🤣

[@suburbanCyclist6]

I’ve never been so interested in buying war thunder than when you told me it could distract me from the British colonizing my house

[@GrassyHills202]

I could certainly use that! ''HEY JIMMY IT TIME FOR MURICA!!!!!''

[@tomirk4404]

First time?

[@ronaldderooij1774]

It seems that Dutch diplomacy failed. They helped conquer Gibraltar, organised a peace conference in Utrecht, and came out empty handed. Great work.

[@DaFroBroforeal]

I can see why all three sides stand where they do. I’m guessing things won’t change anytime soon either.

[@Gloriosus]

This is a well made, balanced and informative introduction to a complex situation.

[@user-gr9fq9gt9w]

"The Rock"

[@user-iz2tq3dx5d]

Good video as always

[@timcanada1640]

Another Great Video!

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”

[@MrYahboo]

Not that I support Spain in this dispute but that never happened..

[@tSp289]

Meanwhile 51.9% is an overwhelming majority and a clear mandate.

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

@@MrYahboo Yes it did? In 2002 there was a referendum in Gibraltar and 98.97% voted to remain under British sovereignty

[@MrYahboo]

@@ProjectEkerTest33 he must have edited his post. It didn't say 99.% before. It was probably just a typo but that's what I was picking up on.

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

@@MrYahbooThere's no "(edited)" so I don't think he has

[@ZenioDovgj]

Wonder why Marocco doesn't want to take part in the dispute 🤣

[@chumleyk]

You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.

[@ignaciocriado]

If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.

[@Hilts931]

Spain actually agreed to hand over Gibraltar to the British, though. Morocco didn't.@@ignaciocriado

[@ignaciocriado]

@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with. Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.

[@Hilts931]

@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.

[@MoroccoCountryballs]

Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state. And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down. Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him. The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here. If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well. Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly

[@skeletonarcshorts]

Thanks for the informative information thanks as always

[@ordinal2361]

"At least my vehicles in War Thunder are safe" For now m8

[@Kabutoes]

USA: “how come we don’t have Gibraltar?” USA 2: “we have Gibraltar at home” Gibraltar: *Guantamono Bay*

[@occam7382]

USA: "Ohhhhh, right. I forgot we had that."

[@LuisCarlos-cs3zq]

In reality, the United States does recognize that territory as part of Cuba, which refuses to abandon it and terminate the lease contract.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

Guantanamo bay is cuban territory leased by the US

[@Scottish-Englishmapping]

Here’s a sub ur one of my fave KZbinrs now

[@dreamingflurry2729]

You are quite delusional if you think the Brits will give up this vital piece of territory! Hell, they fought for the damn Falklands and for good reasons, too! If you have a large Navy and love to do some power-projection, you should have save anchorages around the world, this is what the Falklands and Gibraltar are! Not to metion that they could block an entrance to the mediteranian sea...that is POWER! So yeah, the Brits are more likely to create something like the Korean DMZ (so a mined and heavily guarded border, than give up something they've owned for 200+ years!

[@John-nc4bl]

Some people in the small island nation of Britain continue to drown themselves in nostalgia, are ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.

[@Andy-yn6jl]

@@John-nc4bl , read his piece closely!. He was referring to the Brits as 'they', so I assume that he isn't British!!..

[@theoneandonlyartyom]

they are BRITISH islands and NO ONE ELSE CAN HAVE THEM

[@stevens1041]

My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.

[@Ylyan_VL]

They can't, they can only give it back to Spain

[@aloxpeexd302]

A a spanish i prefer even germany or USA with the control of gibraltar than the uk

[@Ylyan_VL]

@@aloxpeexd302 Ni de coña hermano, Estados Unidos es lo peor que le ha pasado a España

[@littleshep5502]

​@@Ylyan_VLthey could, if gibraltar so wanted. Gibraltar could also fully integrate into the UK, or declare independence

[@Ylyan_VL]

@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.

[@jovanradjawane3003]

"But also calm my nerves as all my belongings are sent to the British museum. " 😂🤣

[@JimmyM1975]

Great video

[@kizzerplowright]

I REALY LIKE THIS GREAT VID EVEN BETTER IS THE FUN SPIN ON IT.

[@outnapped2]

I’m curious about what are some of the other issues with sharing, like what would need to be contrôlée by each government

[@Ignore_this_channel]

When looking at Gibraltar (nice) and compare it to La Línea (slum) there is no wonder why the population wants to belong to UK.

[@MrColaKO]

La Línea is the result of a parasitic economy created by Gibraltar including tobacco and drug smuggling.

[@T3-Movies]

3 hours early. Great video 😊

[@markdowding5737]

Spain when talking about Gibraltar: "It's our territory! It was unlawfully ceded to Britain over 300 years ago and we want it back regardless of what the locals think Spain when talking to Olivença: "Doesn't matter if we are legally bound to return the territory to Portugal one day. The locals want to keep being part of Spain so we should prioritize their wishes"

[@adriancampos8640]

The treaty said Uruguay for Olivenza.

[@joaocosta3374]

Based.

[@Potsgud]

​@@joaocosta3374your mum is based. Based in a brothel 😂

[@Dani-Nani]

One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it. This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port. This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it

[@adamlakeman7240]

So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave? Got it.

[@t.wcharles2171]

However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.

[@littleshep5502]

However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire

[@jorgec.a3123]

​@@t.wcharles2171But Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters or airspace, it's all Spanish

[@littleshep5502]

@@jorgec.a3123 Gibraltar has both its own airspace, and three miles of territorial waters, both confirmed by the UN

[@ebbeb9827]

its kind of funny how Spain at the same time refuses to give up its own Gibraltars in Morocco

[@novedad4468]

It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.

[@occam7382]

@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?

[@novedad4468]

@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other. With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.

[@xabitron]

they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same

[@jorgec.a3123]

​@@occam7382Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized as Spanish land, Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN

[@adrianmunoz7646]

Fun fact: when the Olympics were on I used to always think the GBR acronym with the Union Jack was for Gibraltar. 😅

[@oliversherman2414]

I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇮

[@dennis771]

Share territory almost never works in world history

[@hugojaime9565]

From a Mexican , please leave Gibraltar alone we can’t afford to lose more territory in the Hispanic world , whatever you do to our Hispanic brothers in Gibraltar we will have to retaliate in California, y’all wanna flex the Anglo-Saxon sphere we’ll have to flex the Hispanic sphere as well , eye for an eye unfortunately

[@oliversherman2414]

The Gibraltarians want to be British

[@Reaganhussy]

What are you yapping

[@oliversherman2414]

@@Reaganhussy no idea mate. I guess he just can't handle the fact that the Gibraltarians want to be British

[@Vextonomy]

Very cool video

[@EzzerThePro]

there's an saying in gibraltar that as long as the macaques who lived in the island stay there, british rule will stay there

[@Jeracraft]

Being from Gibraltar myself I can guarantee the rock will NEVER be Spanish, no Gibraltarian wants to be part of Spain & honestly, I rather die in a war with Spain than hand over my homeland. thankfully that will never happen but one of the main reasons we don't allow Spain to step all over us is simply because they haven't particularly treated us very well, with Constant bulling, long queues, the closing of the frontier, rocks thrown at our cars among other things. not all Spaniards are like this, I just want us to get along & stop fighting over lines on a freaking map.

[@billyjoeguy640]

Sadly for yourself, you can’t guarantee anything. Just like how I can’t guarantee Spain will ever get Gibraltar back, you can’t just say that Gibraltar will forever be Britain’s submarine repair dock. And if you actually didn’t care about lines on a map and instead cared about getting along, you wouldn’t ironically say that you’d rather die fighting Spain than join Spain. Isn’t it your wish to “stop caring about lines on a map” anyways? That’s one less line in the world to worry about. What mental gymnastics you had to do to come up with such a ludicrous mentality is beyond me.

[@georgiewalker5826]

What he is saying is that he wants to have a good relationship with Spain but does not want to become part of Spain, what is crazy about that. Do you want your country to become part of the USA? Would you be ok with becoming the US's 51st state since you don't care about "lines on a map"@@billyjoeguy640

[@Jeracraft]

@@billyjoeguy640 First of all Gibraltar is not just a submarine repair dock, Gibraltar has a diverse economy based largely on tourism, online gambling, financial services, and bunkering. & trust me OfCourse , I can guarantee that Gibraltar will always be British, because I live here & I know what I'm talking about, if 99% us voted to remain British and are passionate about it, Then the only way Gibraltar would ever be Spain's would be by force & I highly doubt that Spain would be willing to go to war with its own allies, therefore if it did come to that then yes I would rather die in a war, if Spain came in guns blazing. I don't know what's so difficult to understand. If someone came to your country and wanted to take over & change your nationality by your logic that should be okay because you don't care about lines on a map, your argument is just nonsensical. It's like saying you want peace, so you let any oppressor take over, where is the logic in that. 🤦‍♂

[@billyjoeguy640]

@@Jeracraft You absolutely do not know what you’re talking about. You know who else said the same exact thing as you? The Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh. The Palestinians in palestine. The Ukrainians with Crimea. And more relevantly, the REAL Gibraltarians before 1707, before the land was colonised by the UK. And what are you saying, that I like peace by bending over to autocrats? Last time I remember checking a source, aka the video, Britain had nothing to do with the land before 1707, whereas the actual locals lived there since ancient times, as the video says, if you actually watched the thing. Seems like you haven’t. Last thing; if you really think that an oppressor coming over to your land and taking it by force is not okay, which it isn’t, then you should know better and get out of Gibraltar with your anti-Spanish sentiment. By your own logic, that land isn’t your own, which I fully agree with. P.S. it Makes no sense to say “I’m British, therefore I know better” by the way. That’s straight up nationalism. I’m not British, but I’m Canadian. So am I automatically dumber than you? According to your flawed logic, yes.

[@Jeracraft]

@@billyjoeguy640 What are you trying to achieve here? are you saying you want all 40 thousand Gibraltarians to leave Gibraltar so Spain can take over, because they owned it like 300 years ago? By that logic then it should be the moors that own the rock not Spain, the moors where the first settlers of Gibraltar before The Muslim occupation was permanently ended by the Spanish in 1462. You are utterly insane, what happened 300 years ago is irrelevant. what matters is the people living here now and what they want. You're talking about having an "Anti-Spanish sentiment" as If I don't have Spanish relatives & friends that very well agree with what I am saying 🤦‍♂ this has nothing to do with hating Spain. You are the one hating on the people of Gibraltar. You can't just come up to me and say I have no right to be here. When I was born, raised and have lived here my entire 31 years of life. I am ending this discussion here. it's not up for debate. I think Canada has more issues to deal with, maybe you should focus on your own country and ill focus on mine, thank you very much. good luck ✌

[@ali20396]

If Gibraltar is Spanish, then Melilla and Ceuta are Moroccan .

[@hugomartinez2387]

NO? ITS LITERALLY SO DIFFERENT, CEUTA AND MELILLA HAVE BEEN SPANISH FOR 600 YEARS, 300 BEFOR EVEN MOROCCO WAS A COUNTRY, WHILE GIBRALTAR WAS A SPANISH LAND INVADED BY THE UK.

[@occam7382]

@@hugomartinez2387, Morocco has been a country since the 9th Century, when Britain and Spain weren't even ideas yet.

[@hugomartinez2387]

thats literally not true, its like saying italy was a country because roman empire existed b.c@@occam7382

[@Desco51]

​@@occam7382Visigoths already called themselves hispanics, pork fanatic

[@occam7382]

@@Desco51, that would've been in reference to the Roman region of Hispania, which the Visigoths conquered and settled. The modern idea of Spain came from the merger of the Kingdoms of Castille-Leon and Aragon, neither of which existed when Morocco was founded. Also what the hell does pork fanatic mean?

[@g111g]

"Whenever the British bayonet is poking me in the back, I like to play warthunder" 😆 😆

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

The funny thing is Britain has owned it longer than Spain. I doubt Britain would ever give it up, it will be very important if another war ever kicks up. Spain is hardly a stable nation either, Britain has no trust in Spain

[@Mathew-xc6yk]

Gibraltar is best of British 🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@TaliyahP]

Spain: "Nooooo you can't have a peninsula off my territory" Also Spain: "Shut up Morrocco, those are integral parts of Spain"

[@toasts3054]

The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?

[@toasts3054]

@@Red-90 Morrocoy was created in 1956 following my western sources. I don't know what they teach you in a Moroccan school

[@toasts3054]

@@Red-90 also, you can't just use the word "delusional" every time someone says something you disagree with

[@Y.E.O.S]

@@toasts3054 💀

[@joshuafrimpong244]

@@toasts3054 thats cap

[@PolandItalyball]

Very nice

[@jameswilkinson9964]

you had me with 'The Rock'

[@sudonum3108]

If it continues to be treated in the same way that the Falkland Islands dispute is I don’t see it being handed back to Spain. The British have allowed it to become a very unique place with its own tax regime. Why would the people of Gibraltar rejoin Spain knowing full well that it would make a point of stamping out its uniqueness to be replaced forcefully with a very visibly Spanish identity. It would be awful to witness such a travesty.

[@aloxpeexd302]

Yep but the majority of spanish people and our goverment we dont care that much about the rock we still have ports with a lot of comerce valor in the area, the problem is that gibraltar is one of the focals points of smuglin and corruption of our country, the majority of the people want to stop being disrepected by gibraltar and his agresive police of expanding their border and waters, that by the treaty of utrech is illegal. And more than one incident of envirometnal damage have been provoked by the british in the area, a thing that as you will gues dont make a lot of friends in the area.

[@Happyfor96]

its not going to be their choice :)

[@Lucas24997]

Spain has offered time and time again things like giving Gibraltar autonomy or even a corulership of the Rock, wich they have regected. For Spain the problem is mostjy that Gibraltar actively hampers the local economy by being a tax heaven and having less stricts enviromental practices that harm the enviroment and the quality of life in the area. I woundt care if they keep being British, but they need to start playing by the rules and not fucking up with their neightbours

[@littleshep5502]

​@@aloxpeexd302gibraltars current borders are recognized by the UN, and it's territorial waters are confirmed by UNCLOS. Both of these overrule the treaty of Utrecht

[@littleshep5502]

​@@Happyfor96it is their choice, no one other than the gibraltarians can decide

[@T_dog1]

Spain has no right to claim Gibraltar until they give Ceuta and Melilla back to Morocco.

[@javierciruela7221]

Please read some history before you say that please

[@aidenmyatt6842]

​@@javierciruela7221Britain has owned Gibraltar longer than Spain ever has. They voted to remain British. Maybe you should read some history.

[@javierciruela7221]

@@aidenmyatt6842 at this point I see you dont want to have a conversation and learn. I wont lose any more time on emitional responses. You read some history about Gibraltar. Even if i would agree to the terms of Utrecht the territoy on wich the airport of Gibraltar is today was occupied outside ot its terms. Sheer force and occupation does NOT give any righs over a land, no Matter how long It was occupied. Of course the people who is today living there have some rights. But the last time I check UN still considered It a territory to be decolonized. I dont think i Will change your mind. You wont change my opinión in this regard. BEST regards.

[@aidenmyatt6842]

@@javierciruela7221 You suggested someone read up on their history. I suggested you read up on your history. Hypocrisy slips to mind.

[@aidenmyatt6842]

@@javierciruela7221 How goes the Spanish decolonisation of the enclaves in Morocco? Another example of hypocrisy 🙄 👏

[@Leste-_-]

Great video!

[@Deltaflot1701]

Spain always talks big about Gilbratar, and how unfair it is that the English keep control of it, but never eve mention Ceuta, Melilla, and the 11 or 13 (depends on what you count)Plazas de soberanía. Spanish territory in Morroccan land or waters

[@antoniojavieraranda9351]

Not the same, pls read the history of those places and then the Treaty of Urtrech before saying nonsense.

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 How they came to being is irrelevant. The fact that Spain holds foreign land, with Spanish Citizens, with no give in sight over those territories makes Spain look bad when asking Britain to give back Gibraltar.

[@antoniojavieraranda9351]

@@Deltaflot1701 It's not irrelrvant. Inform yourself.

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 I have. Article X of the Peace of Utrecht that Gibraltar belongs to the UK in Perpetuity. That no interference be caused by Gibraltar in Spain’s communications with Cueta. That Roman Catholic lbs be given freedom in Gibraltar. That Spain had some say in what trade occurred in Gibraltar. That Jews and Moors were not to be allowed to live in Gibraltar. There is nothing in Utrecht that says anything about Spain be given sovereignty back. This every time that Spain put Gibraltar under siege, they were attempting to break this treaty. Please tell me where I am uninformed?

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@antoniojavieraranda9351 Ceuta was a Portuguese city until the Spanish used then Iberian union to take it from them when Portugal managed to separate itself from Spain. It’s considered sovereign Spanish territory just like the UK considers Gibraltar part and parcel of the UK. If you’re going to attack my position, have a better argument than “read this that and the other thing before saying nonsense”. I recommend you do just that yourself

[@sgtderp1]

Hilarious ad, loved it as a brit!

[@jeremyallen7299]

0:00 Br*tain jumpscare

[@LaVerdadeslaverdad]

What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.

[@SuperJibulus]

This is a great explanatory video of why Gibraltar is British 👍

[@GrassyHills202]

Spain also has its Gibraltar in the form of Ceuta and Melilla + some other territories EDIT: This is a small correlation , I thought to put in just for fun since those cities are in a somewhat similar situation as in Gibraltar. EDIT: why is this a war zone?

[@hugino3535]

Spanish territories by 600 years given by portugal as a gift

[@Lacteagalaxia]

Inept about U.N Gibraltar is a DECOLONIZED territory nothing says Ceuta of Melilla .

[@hugomartinez2387]

they are literally not the same

[@hugino3535]

@@Lacteagalaxia There is nothing more colonized in europe as that peninsula, you kicked the main population and put british people on it, ceuta and melilla have been spanish territories since medieval times and the city was built by spaniards themselves, inept about history m8

[@houbertcanitio2199]

@@hugino3535 Not true Ceuta and Melilla were originally settled and colonized by the Portuguese "Under King John I's son, Duarte, the colony at Ceuta rapidly became a drain on the Portuguese treasury" "Melilla was initially jointly administered by the House of Medina Sidonia and the Crown,[23] and a 1498 settlement forced the former to station a 700-men garrison in Melilla and forced the latter to provide the city with a number of maravedíes and wheat fanegas"

[@armondshakir3655]

No matter where you go THE CROWN WANTS ITS TAX

[@lawrencemelia2724]

It is I, THE BRITISH! Now give me your things, your country, and your freedom!

[@briaryos1]

"Gibraltar must be decolonised!" "And Ceuta? Does Ceuta also need to be decolonised?" "Grrrrr."

[@abelmoreno7630]

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

[@LTSneed]

Ceuta and Melilla are not colonies

[@briaryos1]

@@abelmoreno7630 They were ceded to Spain in 1668 -- just 45 years before Utrecht. Those who wish to find a difference will find it, and consider it significant enough. It's self-serving.

[@briaryos1]

@@LTSneed of course not. They are simply territories that have belonged to a particular country for 300 years, are separated by a body of water, and contiguous to another country. Just like Gibraltar.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

@@abelmoreno7630Britain backed the winning side in the War of the Spanish Succession - 1701-1715 - which sank all it's combatants in massive debt. Philip V compensated his allies with various trade and territorial concessions. Part of Britain's cut was Gibraltar. So, Spain _gave_ Gibraltar to Britain and has been trying to welsh on the deal ever since. By the way, I notice that this comment is posted word for word higher up the page under a different username. Sock puppeting is bad!

[@adamlakeman7240]

From 414AD to 711AD (297 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Visigoths From 711AD to 1462AD (751 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Almohads From 1462 to 1713 (251 years) Gibraltar was owned by Spain From 1713 to the current year (310 years and counting) Gibraltar has been owned by Great Britain At this point it's been British longer than it was ever Spanish.

[@randomguy6152]

they claimed it the entire time however and they just kept losing why should they lose their claim if they never accepted total defeat

[@Ylyan_VL]

That's a stupid argument

[@cian9816]

@@Ylyan_VL it really isnt

[@Ylyan_VL]

@@cian9816 It really is, time doesn't change anything in this case.

[@adamlakeman7240]

@@Ylyan_VL No stupider than "it's near us and anyway you let jews live there so the treaty we signed to let you have it is null and void"

[@jamiemcmullen3647]

ur graphics with the faces look similar to a game i used to play

[@candidoperdomoartiles5482]

The aero port is in the istmo , and the istmo is not in the treaty…

[@abyssaljam441]

The British isles do have some very good beaches in the summer so that's not that surprising

[@cyrusthegreat7030]

It should belong to the persian empire glory to Eranshahr.

[@NativeVsColonial]

What? From where did Persia came here? The Morocco may have some rights in Gibraltar, but Iran?

[@atrebuchet5267]

This is true it is clearly rightfully a part of the independent economic kingdom of anarchist Atlantis.@@NativeVsColonial

[@IC3XR]

Sooo just British doin British things

[@SkotiM]

"Much like a BMW in the Balcans" lol.

[@simpson168168]

Clearly it’s belong to the glorious Arstotka.

[@thetrooper9236]

We British enjoy fighting 🇦🇮🇦🇺🇧🇲🇻🇬🇰🇾🇨🇰🇫🇰🇲🇸🇳🇿🇵🇳🇬🇸🇸🇭🇹🇨🇹🇻🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@meritianus2076]

pero qué dices pinfloi

[@stargazer-elite]

And we Americans love our family countries 🇺🇸🇻🇮🇵🇷🇲🇵🇬🇺🇦🇸 ❤️🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺🇳🇿

[@meritianus2076]

@@stargazer-elite Decolonise Puerto Rico first, and then we'll talk about "families"

[@stargazer-elite]

@@meritianus2076 I wasn’t talking to you

[@meritianus2076]

@@stargazer-elite lmao don't care

[@chrismac2234]

There really isn't a dispute. The treaty of utrect is not paramount. The will of the people of Gibraltar is the only thing that matters. From soldier A

[@John-nc4bl]

Some people in the small island nation of Britain continue to drown themselves in nostalgia, are ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.

[@zigongosaurus5274]

Gibraltar is British. Cope.

[@NativeVsColonial]

@@zigongosaurus5274 wake up to your senses and reality, stop living in the era of slavery and colonization.

[@zigongosaurus5274]

@@NativeVsColonial Gibraltar has literally nothing to do with slavery and its been British longer than it was ever Spanish. Spain isn't even its original owner.

[@NativeVsColonial]

@@zigongosaurus5274 It was a slave trade harbour

[@Adriano993]

The Spanish/British government should play scopa, whoever wins gets the land. Also, why is Britain always able to get into controversy with Spanish-speaking countries just like Spain and Argentina :(

[@ilovecakecanihaveapiece]

The Spanish Empire and the British Empire were both often at each other's necks. Belize and Guatemala inherited this, as well as Guyana and Venezuela.

[@Adriano993]

@@ilovecakecanihaveapiece tale as old as time makes sense 👍👍

[@noodboy4633]

they should just play rock paper scissors simple

[@jboydayz]

It’s the Spanish speaking countries fault, as usual

[@xabitron]

O YES LET'S JUST ROB SOME PIECE OF LAND THAT IS NOT OURS THEN CLAIM IT'S OURS AND THEN BALME THE OTHER ONES WHEN WE BASICALLY ROBBED LAND WOTHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE@@jboydayz

[@daddy_1453]

Funny how the Spanish complain about Gibraltar... when the Spanish have colonies in Africa. They own bits of rock next to Morocco. The gall of these people lol

[@Ylyan_VL]

It's not the same situation

[@daddy_1453]

​@@Ylyan_VL Double standards lol

[@Ylyan_VL]

@@daddy_1453 It's not double standards, if you knew anything about the history of Ceuta and Melilla you would comprehend why it's not the same.

[@xabitron]

@xabitron hace 1 segundo they were spanish from the start morocco wasn't there at any time so they are rightfully spanis. gibrartal WAs spanish and the the brits stole it

[@dwightschrute1914]

I'm seeing in the comments people willfully igonoring arguably the most important aspect to this debate - the opinion of the people living there. They have stated that they wish to be an autonomous region of the UK, so why deliberately sew chaos over the issue in a change of governance. It seems to be some moronic nationalism from both Brits and Spaniards as to who owns one small rock. Seems stupid to be at each other's throats over an issue solved by the people that live there 🤷‍♂️🇬🇮

[@occam7382]

You clearly have no understanding of human beings' capacity to be incredibly short-sighted and obsessed over a small patch of rock and dirt. We're funny like that.

[@dwightschrute1914]

@@occam7382 If I had a penny for all the times Nationalism led humans to kill each other over scraps of nothing, I'd be the richest man on Earth. It's a shame politicians and corporations willingly weaponise humanity's stupidity and hatred over others for profit. I'm unfortunately all too aware of our short sighted nature, and what a dark comedy we play for ourselves as a result :(

[@lynxfresh5214]

​​@@dwightschrute1914Here here! There's nothing wrong with being patriotic but when it's crosses over into nationalism (often fuelled by frail egos), it inevitably leads to senseless conflict over the most inconsequential of things just to prove a naive sense of superiority over other people by sacrificing your own people (logically right?).

[@axelgonzalez5992]

Because the original people that lived in Gibraltar was kicked out by the british

[@dwightschrute1914]

@@axelgonzalez5992 Ok? That does not represent the current opinion of the inhabitants of Gibraltar though, and the people currently in Gibraltar wish to stay as an autonomous area of the UK. If anyone can really argue that Gibraltar should be returned to Spain, even if the people living there do not want to, by that logic, Calais should be English because it was stolen by the French, Kaliningrad should be returned to Germany because it was taken by the Russians, and Texas should be returned to Mexico because it was taken by the Americans. You could suggest all these things and other insane ideas, all of which would cause unrest and wars all across the world, or people could just listen to the population of the regions they live, and give them representation based upon that consent, rather than giving into this strange revanchist doctrine that nationalists seem all too keen to bring in.

[@TGACmapper10]

I thought he was lying when he mentioned good food

[@vincentdegennaro3375]

There is NO Dispute, Gib is British clear and simple. Spain also has a small island just of the coast of Africa, go figure!!

[@diegogonzalezpico7141]

Yea, but Spai didn't expand ove a and considered as neutral between the territories

[@colanax]

The code for Gibraltar Airport is GIB, which is why the UK should Gib Gibraltar back to Spain.

[@SirSlothable]

self determination is one of the cornerstones in western democracy and the people disagree with you

[@Valencetheshireman927]

@@SirSlothableTrue, but I think he was just making a joke

[@HungryLoki]

​@@vibes292 That's strange, why would the population of a conquered territory vote to stay with the conquerors, just because the conquerors killed off/chased away the original population?

[@runajain5773]

​@@HungryLokithey are tiny colony so british it does not englinized the population

[@colanax]

@@Valencetheshireman927 I can confirm that I was making a joke. 💜

[@JAlucard77]

That was a good one took awhile but a good one non the less. I never realized that area was in dispute. Hell, I didnt even know it belongs to England. So thanks again for bringing to light another one of the world's weird territorial oddities. That's what I like about your channel, you find little things like this.

[@colinallen8924]

It does not belong to England; it is a UK Overseas Territory.

[@jawadarif5676]

I find it funny spain want Gibraltar but same time dont want to give baxk the 3 small plot of land it has in morroco

[@pablotheScot56]

When will Spain return the territories on the North African coast?

[@diegogonzalezpico7141]

Well UK ddnt accept the condiions for having that land. Which means tht they are not allowed to have it. While Spain didt do that

[@pablotheScot56]

@@diegogonzalezpico7141 ah diddums, Mr Colonial Occupier of land you have no right to occupy. You will never get Gibraltar back no matter how much crying you do. The Treaty was for perpetuity, which means forever.

[@thatdudeperfide]

came here from kaliningrad's server lol

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

Have they ever considered total integration into the UK? anyway seems they like the Manx/Channel Islander/Falklander status deal.

[@uingaeoc3905]

It is in fact a British Overseas Territory. as is Falklands along with 14 other outposts. The Manx and Channel IIsanders are Crown Colonies, different status.

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

true@@uingaeoc3905

[@michaelmccomb2594]

There has been some consideration for this in the recent Parliamentary debate on Overseas Territories. This would give Gibraltar an MP and thus a voice in the British Parliament. However, it may also reduce the power of the Parliament of Gibraltar, which is effectively self-governing, apart from defence and foreign relations.

[@AnthonyWilliams-vh1ds]

I enjoy that you have a British sense of humour 🤣

[@namename3130]

What dispute?

[@Aariz981]

В конце концов, это зависит от жителей Гибралтора: если они хотят остаться в Великобритании, тогда не должно быть проблем, нет смысла обострять что-то, чего можно легко избежать.

[@RichardQX]

Это испанский, они не говорят ни на каком другом языке, единственная причина, по которой Великобритания хочет сохранить его, хотя бы ради прибыли, если бы он был бесполезен, Великобритания оставила бы его, как и все другие свои колонии.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

⁠@@RichardQXGibraltar speaks English. It doesn’t particularly profit the British to keep a small territory like Gibraltar except as a military base. It’s more valuable to the Gibraltarians themselves to maintain the relationship as they don’t have to pay for defence costs

[@baileygregory9192]

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

[@baileygregory9192]

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

[@baileygregory9192]

​@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain

[@IbrahimStanikzai]

Spain being hypocrite although i don't like brits either but spain have no right on that rock atleast don't be hypocrite

[@xabitron]

they were spanish from the start morocco wasn't there at any time so they are rightfully spanis. gibrartal WAs spanish and the the brits stole it

[@IbrahimStanikzai]

@@xabitron morroco was there .Stop recreating the history Spain was formed in 1492 meanwhile morroco in 760 AD .marined dynasty rule over morroco just like Habsburgs rule over Spain.They were not Spainish from start .Never will be.Spain stole north African cities it will pay a price.Morroco will eventually retake it it was rightfully morrocan territory stolen by Iberian Spainish which has nothing to do with morroco

[@xabitron]

it wasn't Morocco, something similar yes but not the country of Morocco also those places were given by Portugal as A GIFT@@IbrahimStanikzai

[@littleshep5502]

@@xabitron And Gibraltar was traded to the UK. Your point?

[@xabitron]

it was stolen after a war@@littleshep5502

[@PatGunn]

If a chunk of land has been effectively governed for over 50 years or so by one country, the history eventually stops being relevant. It's British now. Spain has no valid claim.

[@timsyoutube6051]

Where's the dispute? It's ours and we ain't giving it back. Argument over.

[@d333my]

It’s quite simple, but some Spanish still struggle: Why would the UK give it up when the people living there don’t want to, and ultimately it was ceded to the UK by a legitimate treaty? The same cannot be said of Spanish colonies on the north coast of Africa, but the Spanish gloss over that.

[@pmp05]

What colonies??? We handed every colony back to Morocco after the Ifni War, and then Moroccans started acting expansionist with our territories, first with the Sahara and now they are making fake claims with our cities of Ceuta and Melilla, which have been Spanish since the XV century (before the concept of colonialism even existed). I can accept the UK controling Gibraltar but they shall also aknowledge that they are in the Iberian Peninsula and they occupied the land in our Sucession War, the compromise I can accept with them is giving the same status of autonomous city of Ceuta and Melilla, and letting them do their stuff

[@joshuafrimpong244]

@@pmp05 those are true claims, except for Melilla which was never ruled by a Moroccan ruler, and Gibraltar is allowed to do its own thing. It is British territory

[@roguesorcerer1145]

People need to know and remember that Spain have two enclaves across the water in Morocco.

[@abelmoreno7630]

The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony

[@banhammer8510]

@@abelmoreno7630 This is wrong.

[@iliasszennati173]

​@@abelmoreno7630any spaniard spewing this hasnt looked at a history book and is just pulling stuff out of his paella filled mouth

[@billyjoeguy640]

@@banhammer8510No, it’s factually not. And even if he was wrong, what makes Ceuta and Melilla different from Gibraltar is that both PROVINCES are fully integrated into Spain proper, whereas Gibraltar is a colony. Which means that those from Ceuta and Melilla are just as Spanish as someone from Madrid or Barcelona is.

[@georgiewalker5826]

with the wishes of the people living there, who have lived there for generations@@abelmoreno7630

[@sinisterhipp0]

You restore my faith in KZbin.

[@dee4doa]

What if Britain gives it to Portugal? LMAO

[@goncalo33]

As a Portuguese person, I appreciate that offer, but I would rather be given something less problematic, like a rusty Austin Metro with a leaky Hydragas system. Thank you.