Gigabyte AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Comparison and Simple Install Tutorial TRX40 Designare

The Product: The Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard includes 2 AICs. This is the Gigabyte M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 AIC (Add In Card) Adaptor. We are comparing 2 cards. The Retail version and this one included with the Motherboard.
Synopsis: We'll do a simple Install. Very Bios Settings. From Windows Disk Management, Initialize the Disks and Format said Disks.
Cover Specs, Install Requirements and Discuss the Technology. Mention what Chipsets this will work with. Cover Motherboard and Quad card Stats.
No Results Tests. We're saving that feature for a Comparison Video.
1.) Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard
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2.) Gigabyte GC-4XM2G4 (AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor, Full PCIe 4.0, Advanced Thermal Solution for PCIe 4.0
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3.) Gigabyte AORUS RGB Nvme Add-in-Card 1TB High Performance Gaming, Integrated Heatsink, Toshiba 3D NAND, DDR Cache Buffer, 5 Year Warranty SSD GP-ASACNE2100TTTDR
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5.) Gigabyte AORUS Nvme Add-in-Card 8TB High Performance Gaming, Advanced Thermal Solution with Copper Heatsink, Toshiba 3D TLC, 5 Year Warranty SSD GP-ASACNE6800TTTDA
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6.) ASUS [Motherboard] Compatibility of PCIE bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards - (X299, X399, TRX40 and X550 Chipsets + other chipsets)
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[@3drocket]

Your videos are always packed with information that is hard to find anywhere else. Thanks.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Matthew Simmonds, Thank You! We try! You should see what we cut for time allotment! Ugh! An opportunity for another Video! Your Comments and everyone else, prove the Info is worth sharing! This whole procedure could be considered a Blue Print for Success in Building on the TRX40 Platform! Exciting times to be Building a Computer! It's all about Perception and Perspective. The TRX40 has a lot to Offer.

[@MS-pp3mz]

@@BuildOrBuy Hello, hoping you can help. I have a ryzen 7 5800x with a 1660 gpu, 64gb ddr4 3200mhz ram. this is housed in a gigabyte b550 aorus pro-p motherboard with an aorus gen 4 pcie raid card. Currently i have it setup with 1 980 pro m.2 drive in the m.2 slot and 3 980 pro drives installed into the raid card and housed in the pcie 4 slot. my issue i am having is that im trying to set this card up as a secondary data raid0 array and keep the m.2 slot as the primary boot. however the bios recognizes the raid i cannot seem to get it to show up in my computer and in disk manager it shows up as individual drives. when i used the amd raid drivers pre-os installation windows saw it as a raid drive, but when i decided not to make it a boot drive it just doesn't seem to want to cooperate. any tips? Is there a way to install the drivers after the fact?

[@romeroadames]

Holy bananas.. I'm so happy I found your video! I spent hours trying to figure out why the hard drives were not being recognized by the BIOS.. changing the bifurcation setting saved the day. I would've not tried that on my own. Thank you so much!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Felipe Romero, Welcome! We're ecstatic too! Excellent! Details matter! Results! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!

[@dirkschindler2869]

Thank you so so much for this video! After 2 weeks trying to operate an AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card (with 4x 2GB M2 SSDs) on an X570 board, with unhelpful support from Gigabyte, you saved my life! Very knowledgable and professional information in your excellent video! Just great! Take care and stay well, Dirk

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Dirk, Nice to meet You! Welcome! Glad You found Us! Thankfull We could help! Next time, let's talk Motherboard Chipsets! Appreciate Your Comments! Blessings! Options... You're a candidate for a self Bifurcated AIC. Based on the reality of X570 PCIe Resources, Glotrends Sky. Only Requires 1 x8 PCIe 3.0 Slot. Video on that AIC here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 There are NO self Bifurcated cards, as of yet, that work on a x8 PCIe 4.0 Slot. For PCIe 4.0, all Require a x16 Slot, electrically. Details matter!

[@metalfacemark]

Dirk, im struggling with the same setup but i cant find the answer in the video - i just cant get my aorus x570 board to show the card, is it in the bios setting somewhere to enable it?

[@dirkschindler2869]

@@metalfacemark Hi Mark, my experience is that the x570 board does not (fully) support the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card. The reason is that you need a pci express slot providing 4x4x4x4 (16) lanes support. Only the 1st (or top) pci slot in the x570 board does provide that 4x4x4x4 (16) lanes support. However, usually you will plug in the graphics card into that 1st (top) pci slot. In order to check that, I bought a very simple graphics card (because modern state of the art graphics cards will not fit into the lowest pci slot on the mother board unless you remove the board from the pc case), temprary installed that into the 3rd (the lowest) pci slot on the board and installed the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card into the 1st (top) pci slot. In that configuration all four SSDs on the AORUS were displayed. When putting the graphics card back into the 1st (top) pci slot, only two out of four SSDs were displayed. Which is exactly according to the video. Where it is explained that the lanes either 4x4x4x4 or 4x4 are allocated only electronically to the existing hardware pci slots. I changed to the TRX40 main board and everything was fine. Maybe that is not an option for you (due to time or budget). So, think about checking the SSDs from the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card directly on your board to asure they are working correctly. Then think if you can be happy with using only 2 SSD cards on the adaptor, which also might give good performance. Next option would be to use the 1st slot for the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card and place the graphics card elsewhere. (As mentioned in the video: Not sure if anyone really wants to do that permanently?) Last option, if you want all 16 lanes available for full use of 4 SSDs on the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor Card, will only be to change to another main board (like I did). For the bios settings just try the settings as explained in the video. There should be a setting like 4x4x4x4 for bifurcation on the settings tab. Hope this helps a little... Good luck!

[@metalfacemark]

@@dirkschindler2869 thank you Dirk!

[@autonomous9031]

awesome! still relevant in 2022. just followed the steps on 3/06/2022 worked perfect! Thank you sir

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Autonomous, Welcome! Absolutely! Bifurcation will be relevant for a very long time unless they ever make it automatic like it's suppose to be on PCIe 4.0 but it's not! Glad We could be of help! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@Tyler-er6ob]

Notice his tape over the camera. This man knows what he's doing.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Tyler, Thank You for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@krackpot_]

Great video again, Gill! Keep up the awesome work! Loving the tireless detail you pour into each one.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi krackpot, Thank You for Your Comments! Details matter! We all just want to make it work so we can get to work!

[@plescaclaudiuadrian]

You got a new sub right here ! Beautiful straight,step by step, usefull and with no crap in between ,i loved It.

[@BuildOrBuy]

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[@TheOtherCola]

I couldn't have built my system without your help. Thank you!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi The Other Cola, Welcome! Glad to know We helped! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing! What did You Build?

[@fabianfreitag8721]

These are real pro videos. Had a hard time with the bifurcation but your video saved my ass!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Fabian Freitag, Welcome! Some of this is a PITA until You know and understand the nomenclature. Even though a picture is worth a thousand words, a good explanation goes a long way to understanding what's going on and how does that relate this to that! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! If You have any Computer Questions, please ask! Appreciate Your Support!

[@SrChalice]

I'm just going through all the videos on this channel, Even stuff that i already know, because every time you hear what you know you learn something new that you probably knew that you know. Or you just flat out learn something new. And This channel is great for that. Wished i had you when i went to school man, I would've enjoyed my classes much more. On another note i feel as if getting a board that has 3 PCIE slots that are all x16 are better than getting a board with 4 PCIE slots that is only 2 x16. Because what am i suppose to do with 2 x8 slot in 2021. I would much rather have 3 x16 slots.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Sr Chalice, I'm honored! Sometimes We forget and have to be reminded of what We take for granted! We never know whom We might be helping! Thank You for Sharing those thoughts! Knowledge should be shared and should be a fun experience from a practical and applicable standpoint! Perception and Perspective! This is a blast! I'm always learning too every time someone asks a Question, gives me a reason to check out another Motherboard! I enjoy looking at the What, Why and How. Keep it Simple and Make it Work!

[@patrickwoolbright1960]

Awesome Video, Gill. Those cards are a game changer!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Patrick, Thanks! Appreciate Your Comments! Thought this Topic would be more esoteric. It's Not! Very much mainstream! Had no idea so many Users would want to know if they can Add an NVMe Card. Amazing Technology! Next Up... Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard! Hope this makes You want to Build soon! This is a blast!

[@ArtofServer]

first time watching your videos and I'm loving the details. love your stuff so far!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Art of Server, Thank You! We like to keep it simple! Appreciate Your Comments! If there's something You'd like to see or know more about, let Us know!

[@TheNPCShow]

Have you figured out what those little switches on the card are for?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi The NPC Show, Welcome! Great Question! Yes! Sorry for not responding sooner! That Switch Block (SW3) is there to set the Address Priority for up to 3 cards. This way the Gigabyte Software (AORUS Storage Manager) can address the Fan on the appropriate card. Hope that helps! We'll update the Description accordingly. Thanks for Watching!

[@jouleSansLoi]

Thank you for the knowledge! I was working on a spreadsheet while watching this. Right now, the 520 firecuda has the best price/performance at 2TB. The 530 series is better, but pricey. The Sabrent is a big NO. The one you're using "reaches speeds" of up to 5000 MB/s and is priced at 240 USD. The Seagate 530, "reaches speeds" at 7300 MB/s and is priced the 250 USD. So... The 520 it is.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi J, Welcome! Fascinating topic! Amazing how prices are fluctuating! Always Price / Performance! Thanks for Watching, Commenting and Sharing! Success on Your Installation! Keep Us Posted!

[@mattpopovich]

"Auto" didn't work for me either, but 4x4x4x4 in the BIOS did the trick - thank you! Pretty weird that something that comes WITH the motherboard doesn't work out of the box with the motherboard!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Matt, Crazy right. That should all be Documented in PDF. Trial by fire! We figure it and share what We learn! Like You said, It should work out of the box! Can You imagine the RMAs over that alone. That's nuts! Appreciate Your Comments! Goes to show our methodical approach helps! Details matter! Glad You have Success!

[@NavySeal2k]

„I remember when we had to deal with Irq and uart.“ That explains the grounding bracelet and the high forehead 😅

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi NavySeal2k, And that has not been that long ago! IRQs and UARTs, yes! Now, PCIe Resources! Grounding was recommended by Intel at their Intel Resellers Meetings years ago. Every Motherboard Manufacturer has a Section in the Motherboard Manual with cautions about ESD. We implemented that procedure when We started Building with the X399 Chipset due to reports of Motherboard failures. There was a time when USB Keyboards and Mice could not not be Hot Plugged for the same reason causing USB Port failures. Then. Design changes were implemented to eliminate that risk. Seems Computer Components are more sensitive to ESD than We realized even today. M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives would fall in that category since they are not Designed to be Hot Swapped. We've had no failures since implementing that procedure. Better safe than sorry. Yes, I've been Building Computers for a while. We also toured the US Robotics factory many years ago, on an off day, and witnessed and experienced what was done about ESD during Manufacturing. Yes in USA! Even then We had to stay 25 feet away from everything. We were in special smocks and booties on a marked path. Floor had a special epoxy coating. The residual effects of ESD are not pleasant. We have many stories of such over the years. We use to have Live Classes Teaching How to Build a Computer. Our largest class We Built 35 Computers. It was a long day and a Successful day. People would drive from 2 hours away to participate. Things change. Experience is the best Teacher. We share what We know. Been Building Computers since 386. Now, no more Live Meetings. Unfortunate. Perception and Perspective.

[@cebrayilqafarli9912]

Thank you very much for making such a detailed explanation video.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Cebrayil Qafarli, Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Fascinating Topic!

[@veluthe]

One thing I would like to add is that if you are going to use a X570 you can use a newer AMD video card and it will support the PCEI 4, so it will still work at full bandwidth in a 8X slot, like a 5700

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Veluth, Saturation of Bandwidth is different. Video cards of past were the driving force then Network interfaces. Now, it's all about NVMe. If You want a x16 Slot for Video and x16 for M.2 NVMe, no. Therefor that leaves a x4 Slot for Video. And yes, it works. And yes, doubt most would notice a performance hit. Thank You for Your Comments. This Video was about answering Subscribers questions. Nice thing about an AMD card, they seem to be flying under the Radar. Downside, for Content Creation, no CUDA Cores! Since most Rendering is 90% CPU, not that big of a deal.

[@psnbrasileira9588]

Isso sim que é micreiro raíz, sem frescura de RGB e salinha com fundo florido. Sem contar o conteúdo, que é aprofundado e preciso. Parabéns pelo conteúdo! ( TRANSLATE from Portuguese if you want to read).

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi PSN Brasileira , Read Your Translation! Thank You for Your Comments and Inspiration! If there's anything You'd like to see Us cover, please let me know! Details matter! We're here to help!

[@CaptMartini]

A lot of great information, agreed. BUT...some information is repeated ad nauseum, like we get it...the x570 only has one 16x lane. I think that was covered 4 or 5 times. That's a small nit pick because the overall content is great. Thank you.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi jeffski1, If You had answered that as many times as we have, You'd understand the point. And we still get asked! And we still answer! It is what it is.. Anyway, Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for watching!

[@piscesstein]

I use to have the MSI AIC adapter (MSI M.2 Xpander-AERO) that came in with the purchase of a MSI X399 Meg Creation motherboard. Based on my experience, I thought it wasn't working when I plugged in one M.2 (As a newbie PC builder, I found out that the M.2 I bought was a SATA, not an NVMe). So I fixed that later on and so far it was great, it keeps the M.2s cool... but here are my problems: The adapter was huge, I know it's all big because of the big fan that makes the M.2s cool. Also, it takes one 4-pin connector just to power the fan, which makes it in the middle of my other power connectors powering my GPU. Last but not least, the noise of the adapter's fan is a bit loud compared to my CPU cooler and case fans, so that was annoying. Ended up selling it, hoping find something as small as that Aorus AIC Adapter. If you are still looking for one, there is a seller that has a lot of them in eBay, but it's only Gen. 3 and not a Gen. 4 AIC.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Pisces Stein, Nice to meet You! Experience is the best teacher. We learn by doing. You have 3 options, Gigabyte Aorus M.2, ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 or ASRock M.2. Most Users are more aware of the ASUS than any other. We're going to be Comparing the 3 from ASUS soon. Stay tuned! And thanks for Sharing about the MSI M.2.

[@beberdubox8554]

Bonjour je voudras savoir si cette carte Gigabyte AORUS Gen4 AIC est compatible avec ma carte mère maximus vii formula merci de votre réponse

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi beber dubox, Q: Hello I will want to know if this Gigabyte AORUS Gen4 AIC card is compatible with my maximus vii formula motherboard thank you for your answer. A: Welcome! ASUS Maximus VII Motherboard from 2015. Intel Z97 Chipset. 2 PCIe 3.0 x16 Slots. Single x16, Dual x8/x8. Unfortunately no. 1. Not enough PCIe Resources. 2. No Motherboard Bifurcation support. The ability to change a PCIe Slot from x16 to x4x4x4x4, electrically. Your Motherboard predates Bifurcation. From link below, just searching on Your Chipset. Not available! To reiterate, No Bifurcation for Intel Z97 Chipset! www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 When You get ready to Build again, let's talk Chipsets and PCIe Resource allocations! Thanks for Asking!

[@NewWebDesign]

ok windows loads in f3 - but when i update says inaccessible boot. i can see with f3 that raidxpert has C drive setup as an array legacy . i have tried a ton of bios settings and now im ganna try to remove the raidxpert from the c drive changing it back to a normal drive, do you have any recommendations on how to un-arey or get f4 and f5 bios to use raidxpert to load windows correctly. c drive ( is ntfs but has these other portions on them* is this normal?) is a GPT partition efi esp. -- im thinking if i can get the c drive out of raidxpert (AMD-RAID) and ntfs without formatting would be ideal but like f3 bios and my old f4c which worked im sure its possible just dont know the right bios settings to boot correctly please help! thank you

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi New Web Design, Been working on next Video! Where are You in this Process?

[@403errorskydaddynotfound3]

Ya you definitely know what your talking about. I look forward going through your videos.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Darius George, Nice to meet You! Thank You for joining Us! Welcome! If there's anything in particular You're looking for, let Us know!

[@403errorskydaddynotfound3]

@@BuildOrBuy ​ Hey it's a pleasure to meet you too. I wish I had come across the knowledge and understanding you have back in Feb of 2020. I own both a ASUS Hyper M.2 Card V2 and an Aours Gen4 AIC Adaptor(Both Cards are in box doing nothing lol). I had to learn many things though trial and error on my own and in retrospect I wish I had considered the PCIe lanes I had access to. I should've went TRX40 Aorus Xtreme with Treadripper 3960x rather than x570 Aorus Xtreme with 3950x. I have looked briefly on you videos and the product itself but it actually appears there are Gen 3 x8slot AIC card that can support 4 NVMes? or even a x4 slot? what about a Gen 4 AIC x4NVMe card that is only using 4 or 8 lanes but can read all 4 NVMe's? if you know of any, and especially any with RGB lol let me know.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@403errorskydaddynotfound3, I wish You had Found Us sooner as well! But we're hear to help now! Everything on the Specs about the x570 says this works. However, as You have seen the implementation says different, after reading through the double speak. In a nut shell, for the x570, since You have 1 - x8 Slot, You need a self Bifurcated AIC. Glotrends Sky AIC. We have a Video on that. Only PCIe 3.0 at this time. No one else yet has a Self Bifurcated PCIe 4.0 AIC that uses 1 x8 Slot. The others all require 1 x16 Slot which in reality is an oxymoron of technology. Glotrends Sky AIC Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 Let's talk Chipsets and PCIe Resources next time You get ready to Build! Hope this helps!

[@laveladona9445]

Thank you so much for making this insightful and instructional content. I tried following your steps for my build which has a Gigabyte TRX40 Xtreme motherboard instead. I had the same issue as you, the Auto bifurcation BIOS setting was not working and my PC was only reading one disk from the AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor (I currently have 4 disks in it). I set the bifurcation manually to x4x4x4x4 on the BIOS but after saving and exiting, the PC no longer boots. Can't get past POST, I don't see the BIOS or anything on the screen. The motherboard shows what appears to be "d4" which I looked up on the manual and states is a "PCI resource allocation error. Out of Resources". I also have a Gigabyte Thunderbolt 3 Titan Ridge (latest firmware) and watched your videos on on the "d4" issue you also had. However, after going through the steps of updating the memory allocation and prefetch to 256MB and enabling 4G decoding - I still get "d4" unfortunately. The GPU is an ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 3080 10GB and I'm not sure if it matters but the build has 256GB DDR4 RAM. I'm really sad that I couldn't get it working, I saw so many similarities in what was happening with your videos and really thought it would fix my similar issue. Any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi LA VELADONA, Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Two possibilities. 1st Motherboard Bios Update? Step through each one! 2nd Could be what We referred to as a Bus prioritization issue. Meaning the order of the PCIe Devices. GPU has to be next to Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. And that's a problem the Firmware update should have rectified thus a Bios Update. That's also a problem considering how wide Your GPU is, 3.5 Slots wide I'm guessing. If this is true, then if the Bios Update does not solve this then a 2 Slot GPU will from what We encountered. Crazy, right. To reiterate, GPU and Thunderbolt must be next to each other if the Thunderbolt Firmware did not resolve this and the next Step being a Bios Update. Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! BTW: Just verified. You're running Bios F4 for Resize Bar. Did You skip any previous Bios Updates like F3? Can't see anything about Bios file sizes without downloading them. And no errata documentation about anything related to Thunderbolt Support. Next step would be Gigabyte support and they will be of no help based on Our experience. 2 Slot GPU alternative. Contact Gigabyte support anyway. This needs a Firmware or Bios resolution. Also... Another thought, 1. Did You Disable CSM? 2. How big is Your PSU?

[@laveladona9445]

@@BuildOrBuy Hi there! Thanks so much for your detailed response I honestly appreciate it a ton. I followed your advice and tried to update the BIOS of the motherboard. I was on the first BIOS version that came with the motherboard at unboxing (version FA). I tried versions FB and FC of the BIOS and the issue persisted (error "d4" not getting to POST). I moved the PCI slots to have the thunderbolt card next to the GPU but that also didn't fix the issue. I don't have another GPU at my disposal currently to try with a smaller one (but I'm really hoping I can get this working with this one haha). Will definitely share my progress here in case it helps anyone else with a similar build. I've reached out to Gigabyte and hopefully they have an answer that can solve the mystery (crossing my fingers that there isn't anything faulty with any of the parts I purchased - they were all brand new so they shouldn't be but who knows!). One thing I noticed after reading the motherboard manual closely is that there is a "OC_PEG" PCIe Power Connector on the motherboard that provides "auxillary power" to the onboard PCI Express x16 slots" (the motherboard recommends connecting this to the PSU if there are two or more GPUs to "ensure system stability"). I only have one GPU on my build but I decided to connect it just in case. Didn't solve the issue but just mentioning the steps I'm taking. I also disabled CSM. PSU is the be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500W. Update: After multiple hours researching this, I think I may have discovered the issue. I didn't know this but it seems like the Gigabyte AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor has a 8TB total capacity limit. I had a combined 10TB in the AIC adaptor. I only noticed this because I found that there is a Gigabyte AORUS Gen5 16TB AIC Adaptor coming soon. I realized if the upcoming model had a 16TB total capacity then Gen4 must have a lower one. After further looking into it, I believe the Gen4's capacity is 8TB. I currently have two 4TB disks and two 1TB disks in the adaptor. I will remove the 1TB M.2 disks and see if it reads the full 8TB on Auto bifurcation (if not I think I would have to set it to x8x8? since x4x4x4x4 is for 4 disks?)

[@BuildOrBuy]

H@@laveladona9445, Auto Bifurcation does not work but that should not be causing the d4 error, out of PCIe Resources. Set for Manual Bifurcation to see all 4 Drives. Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes no matter speed or capacity. Yes, the PEG Connector PCIe Graphics Power Connector should be connected. Did not know You did not have that Connected. And Your PSU is absolutely sufficient in size. Interesting Disabling CSM did not help. And above 4G Decoding status - ON? So to reiterate, System will Boot with GPU and Titan Thunderbolt 3 as long as X16 Quad card is not installed. In JBOD, capacity nor speed of Drives matters. And that card only supports M.2 NVMe PCIe but NOT M.2 SATA SSDs. And if You have GPU and X16 Quad card installed and NO Thunderbolt, System Boots. The relationship between those 3 cards is the issue. And what We referred to as a Bus prioritization issue is still the problem that neither the Motherboard Bios Update nor the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Firmware update have resolved. And that's where You're at. Suggest remove all M.2 Drives on X16 Quad card and see if that matters. The issue is CPU PCIe Lanes. How long ago did You Build? And when did this start?

[@laveladona9445]

@@BuildOrBuy The system boots perfectly into Windows after I reset the CMOS/BIOS settings and leave the default (which is Auto for bifurcation) with everything connected (GPU, Thunderbolt card, and AIC Adaptor). The Gen4 AIC Adaptor has currently 10TB of M.2 NVMe SSD (2 of 4TB and 2 of 1TB) but with the default BIOS settings, only 1 of the 4 disks (4TB) in the Adaptor is read and shows up in Windows disk management and AORUS Storage Manager. I realized Auto bifurcation must not be working so I found your video on that and went to the BIOS to set it manual x4x4x4x4 for the second x16 PCie slot (which is where my AIC Adaptor is currently). After making that one change (Auto to x4x4x4x4) the system no longer POST and I could not get to BIOS or Windows. Then I tried everything else. But I'm fortunate that the moment I reset the BIOS settings to default by clearing CMOS on the motherboard, I am back to a working Windows machine (just with only one 4TB of the 10TB inside the AIC Adaptor being read). Yes, CSM is disabled and 4G decoding is on. To clarify, system boots with all three cards. Only one M.2 Drive from Adaptor is read on default Auto bifurcation setting. I update BIOS to x4x4x4x4 for the Adaptor and BOOM no POST or boot. So the main thing causing it not to post is the Auto to x4x4x4x4 bifurcation update for this PCI slot. I built this PC around 5 days ago and have had no issues until I changed Auto bifurcation to x4x4x4x4 in BIOS settings. I installed all the drivers and Windows was working just fine. My only problem was that all the drives on the adaptor were not being read and I tried this BIOs settings change 3 days ago which led me to your videos on this topic. I will try to remove the two 1TB M.2 Drives from the Adaptor first to see if that helps. I'm just not sure if I should set the bifurcation to x8x8 or x4x4x4x4 if the AIC adaptor only has 2 drives in it. I guess I can try both and will report back to help anyone from this experience!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@laveladona9445, You're trying to do everything at once. You need to isolate and seperate each step. One step at a time. Decide Your priorities before proceeding to the next step. 1. GPU; 2. X16 Quad card, Bifurcated in Bios. Then try Thunderbolt. Then try swapping Thunderbolt with X16 Quad card. To reiterate the CPU PCIe Lanes are not being properly allocated. Remember, each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive requires 4 CPU PCIe Lanes. Question: Was the X16 Quad card included with Your Motherboard?

[@JBSbass]

DISKPART, list disk, select disk then clean......then you can run initialize from the GUI again......still not decided on this AORUS yet. want to see heat figures under load as 4x50C+ is a cooker. When are we going to get drives that are actually 2TB usable when we buy 2TB, been asking this since Leisure Suit Larry!! Some speed test and I/O would be a big help as I hear small random file size throughput is below single nvme disk standards on this card.......

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bass jace, Yes, You are correct. We're working on Videos to show both of those. Already requested since being mentioned. Weather in Texas slowed us down for a week. Details! You know the answer to that is all in the metrics... Binary vs Decimal. It's all about Marketing! RAID today is more about capacity. We get the questions and do our best to answer them from our perspective. Personally I'm not a fan of this type of RAID. It's too fragile. We're going to do a Video on that too, that is, the different Types of RAID. And maybe Levels of RAID. As an overview of RAID options, Hardware, Hybrid Bios and Software RAID. To get the correct emissivity readings, we have to get the M.2 NVMe PCIe AIC in the same parallel plane as the FLIR. We think we have that covered. We'll test on both the Gigabyte Aorus & ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 NVMe AICs. Next up, as asked by Subscribers, Thunderbolt 3 Firmware Update. Thank You for Your Comments!

[@ace8656]

Always learning a lot from your vids, keep up the great work!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi ace8656, Thanks for Your Comments! Much Appreciated! Next Up... Samsung 980 Pro!

[@Blairo.1]

This card work with thinkstation 620 threedripper? Can make raid with SO disk management? I would like know if some supermicro riser card pcie x16 to 2 x8 works in this pc. Thanks

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Blairo Pacola, Welcome! Absolutely! Also less expensive than purchasing the M.2 NVMe Quad add in card through Lenovo. Congrats on Your Threadripper Pro Workstation! Supermicro makes: 1.) AOC-SLG3-2M2 PCIe Add-On Card for up to Two NVMe SSDs. 2.) AOC-SHG3-4M2P PCI-E 3.0 carrier card for up to four NVMe M.2 SSDs. Form factor: PCI-E 3.0 x8 full-height (FH). amzn.to/3uuRg7e www.supermicro.com/en/products/storage/cards Supermicro does not yet have a PCIe 4.0 M.2 x16 Quad card unless You include the 3.) AOC-SLG4-4E4T - two internal NVMe SlimSAS connectors. Listed below. No stock yet. www.supermicro.com/en/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SLG4-4E4T.php 4.) AOC-SLG3-4E4T is PCIe 3.0. In stock on Amazon. amzn.to/3usfWxb As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Best use of PCIe Resources for the WRX80 Platform would be a x16 card utilizing all 16 PCIe 4.0 Lanes like this Gigabyte Aorus x16. The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16, Gigabyte Aorus M.2 x16. There are several others. The Gigabyte Aorus M.2 x16, in several different varieties, is the most prolific. Thanks for Asking! Hope this helps!

[@Blairo.1]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank so much for your help www.amazon.com/dp/B008332S74/ref=cm_sw_r_wa_apa_glt_fabc_0Q5D8MA4VB6G0X4T7WED?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 www.amazon.com/dp/B074JLJVNP/ref=cm_sw_r_wa_apa_glt_fabc_P8T80N386ASNQ4BXM3CP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 I need a riser card for connecting many pcie x8 sata adapter and just found the this options on Amazon. Do you think will works?

[@abrakadepra]

thanks Gill and really saved my day,, can you show us how to setup RAID 2 using the same product شكرا جزيلا استاذ جيل

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Salem Jamal, Welcome! Excellent! Glad We could help! That's an interesting question. RAID 2 is not currently implemented. RAID 2 is obsolete. Maybe You meant RAID 1? There are different TYPES and different LEVELS of RAID depending upon the implementation. There are now 4 Types of RAID. 1. O/S RAID. Windows supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5. 2. Hybrid Bios RAID (Bootable) Both AMD and Intel RAID support RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10. 3. Hardware RAID. Requires Hardware RAID card like a Broadcom MegaRAID card. A Hardware RAID supports 0, 1, 5, 6, 10, 50, 60, 1E, 10E. As You can see, a Hardware RAID supports the most Levels of RAID. 4. All of the above are CPU Based RAID. The newest being the 4th type of RAID is GRAID which is a GPU based RAID. The future of RAID. We have Videos covering the following: CPU Hardware RAID - 5 Requirements for Implementing M.2 NVMe RAID on Broadcom MegaRAID 9560-16i! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXbCk6ebZpJ8ra8 GPU RAID - GRAID SupremeRAID WRX80 Workstation Build Specs kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHWbf4Knlqetbc0 GRAID supports: RAID 0, 1, 5, 6, 10 www.graidtech.com/supremeraid-sr-1000 Hope those clarifications help. Thanks for Asking!

[@BertKnispel]

I use a Gigabyte z790 aorus elite ax, socket 1700 moderboard. the bios supports bifurcation 8x8. Drivers are formated. Only one drive is visabel.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Bert, Then only Drives in 1st and 3rd Position will be seen due to the nature of that Chipset. Test and Verify!

[@mr_nemo24]

Hi Gill! I have a Threadripper 3970x, a RTX 3090, Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT cooler, 3 x M.2 1TB 4.0 at the motherboard Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Pro WiFi, 3 x 1TB SATA SSD, 4 x M.2 3.0 at the Aorus Gen4 aic Adaptor, also 2 x Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe adapter for 1TB 3.0. Any advice for what kind of PSU should be at this set up?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mitxel Sadaba, Great Question! Good to hear from You! This could almost be another Video! Around 1200 watts. Seasonic, Super Flower, EVGA or be quiet!. Good clean PSU is extremely important. Always try to figure out the Manufacturer if You buy any other Brand. We prefer Fully Modular. Hope that helps!

[@mr_nemo24]

@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gil! Well thanks!! Yes I think it deserves a video. I bought the be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 | 1500W. Just in case in the future I upgrade to 2 x 3090. That was my first goal. However, I know I have only 2 x 16x pcie lines, so, for now I won't, due to the Aorus Gen4 aic Adaptor. Thanks. The PSU calculators that I found don't add the expanded m.2 nvme cards. So I was a little bit lost. Thank you!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

HI@@mr_nemo24, Smart Choice. Allows room for Upgrades! Thanks for Sharing! You are most Welcome! BTW: If You're going to consider 2 RTX 3090s, consider 1 RTX A6000 instead. That way You can keep the Quad card running too!

[@mr_nemo24]

@@BuildOrBuy true. For the moment I will keep it this way. 1 x 3090 and the Quad card. Tha's enough for the moment XD

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@mr_nemo24, Agreed! Thanks for Sharing! BTW: Good thing You Built Your Computer when You did. CPUs are getting hard to come by right now. Let's hope that changes in March!

[@bistrobmusic]

I enjoy the videos. I watched elsewhere that to take full advantage of RAID 0 across 4 NVMe drives, they are better suited to 2 drives from PCIe slot 16_1 and 2 drives from PCIe slot 16_2 because apparently each CCX in the Threadripper favors a particular set of I/O on the motherboard. Have you heard or experienced this? This was a couple years ago with older Threadrippers so maybe the technology or architecture has improved since? Just a curiosity.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bistrobmusic, Thank You! I'm glad You've asked that Question! We'd have to test to find out. AMD 3970X CPU - # of CPU Cores: 32 www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3970x Core Compute Complexes (CCX) 3970X en.wikichip.org/wiki/File:zen_soc_block_(32_cores).svg I question whether the problem is actually the Hardware. Windows is not a Real Time O/S. DPC Latency is an issue, as You well know. And Windows behavior does not help. More on that subject, in another Video! This would be interesting to know on the Threadripper Pro to determine what that System could be capable of at that price point. There was a time when Thermal Recalibration was an issue with spinning drives for Video. Furthermore, I don't know if it's worth the trouble considering the machine could not be put into production while testing. RAID alone can be finicky to setup, not just in RAID per say but in setting up block size. Changing one thing changes everything! We're focused on the totality of the System. In other words, what it takes to make it work and how to fix it when it does not work! Documenting even this much takes time. But this much, we think is worth it for You! Yes details matter. Enough details to get 'er done and get to work! Our Goals are, Bang for the Buck and to Keep it Simple! Are You Building a TRX40 System? You're in to Music, You'll want to watch our Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Tutorial. Thanks for Asking! Al always, Your Comments help Us to make better Videos! Stay tuned!

[@Slamscape]

you spoke about a program having really small font on a 4k display. I had the issue with the adobe apps on my 4k, and fixed it by going to Properties - compatibility - change settings for all users - change high dpi settings, and then chick off Override high DPI scaling, and set the drop menu to "system"

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Slamscape, Thank You ! That would make a great Video alone! The program I think we were referencing is Clonezilla. A Linux Cloning app. We were on a 14 inch 4k Laptop. We needed a Microscope! That was an eye opener! We use to have full Control on the Windows interface. Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, removed or obfuscated most of those capabilities. Another clunky aspect of Windows. Thank You for Your input and sharing! Great solution! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@Slamscape]

@@BuildOrBuy I use a 54inch OLED TV as my computer monitor with 4k settings. the small ass font at a distance was impossible to read, and i was standing up and walking to the tv just to read the menu buttons in photoshop. did some searching and put a pin in that on day 2.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Slamscape, You touch on a very important aspect of the Windows interface. Raster interface vs Vector interface. Some applications are interface aware. Not many and certainly not Windows. Even some of the Tools we've used, Windows now over rides those custom settings. Hassle. Another item to add to the List along with DPC Latency. 4k monitors are good enough for Editing if Color matched. We'd like to find a 4k/60 REC 709 TV! That would be amazing! And then what about 8k. This font thing needs to be addressed. We started out with high resolution on a LaserMaster single sync monitor in Windows 3.1. We booted the Computer on a standard multi sync monitor. Then to Windows on the LaserMaster. It was bleeding edge and proprietary technology. We need that kind of control from then, now! Thanks for Sharing!

[@NiteshBhatia]

Informative video. Many thanks 😊 Can two of these used for a Raid1 configuration as boot in a workstation? I am thinking about threadripper which comes with enough lanes.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nitesh, Thank You for Your Comments! Absolutely! Place video card in x8 Slot. You're in business! We're going to be doing a new video on Windows Bootable RAID. Stay tuned!

[@nadtz]

Thanks for this and the follow up video, there is quite a bit of confusion out there about the 'no controller on card' nvme x4 pcie cards but I'm thinking you are right about the x570 stuff. Too bad threadripper is currently outside my budget.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi badtz, Get a Bifurcated x8 card. The GloTrends Sky card works! We have a video on that! Thanks for Your Comments! Glotrends Sky card: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80

[@nadtz]

@@BuildOrBuy Well that's interesting, thanks for the heads up.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@nadtz, Hope that helps!

[@jeffbaker4219]

Awesome video! Will you be testing the new Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 drives in this card when they release?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jeff Baker, Thank You! Good question! Details matter! We've been watching too! The first batch top out at 1TB. Typically, the larger they are, the faster that are too. Expect to see the same. We'd like to get our hands on the 2TB version. Kind of like the 1st TRX3080s. The 2nd batch will have 20GBs of RAM and all those wonderful CUDA Cores for Rendering FX! Now, to Your Question, we'd like to! We'll see! We have several NVMe AICs to wade through. I'm amazed how many Users are interested in what we perceived would be an esoteric AIC. Not so! NVMe anything is main stream! And once You've done NVMe, nothing else matters! We'll keep Your idea in mind!

[@jeffbaker4219]

@@BuildOrBuy Awesome thanks bud! I'm hoping the 2TB won't be far behind!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@jeffbaker4219, Absolutely! That's we're thinking. December is coming up and CES is in January. They have to meet Sales Demands for the Holidays! We'll see!

[@maxhughes5687]

That 980 PRO 1TB shows a faster R/W speed than Sabrent or Seagate drives. Is the 980 a newer revision?

[@jeffbaker4219]

@@maxhughes5687 Yes it is...Has a new controller also.

[@cesaru3619]

GRANDPA KNOWS!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Cesar, Nice to meet You! Appreciate Your Comments, I think!?!

[@osoriony]

Have you compared video editing and video rendering with a ssd array like this vs a regular ssd NVMe PCIe 4? I want to edit 8k video on a Lenovo P620 will this reduce time to get projects done?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Juan Osorio, Excellent Question! We have not yet! That's on the Videos To Do List! Been waiting on Our DaVinci Resolve Studio license! Got it maybe 3 days ago! Stay tuned! Thank You for Asking!

[@osoriony]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for your reply. That will be fantastic. So looking forward to your results on this topic. I was very surprised by one Linux LT videos in which he asked his video editors to compare 3 pc's with different ssd. A SATA, a NVMe PCIe 3 and a PCIe 4 and none of them was able to find which one was the fastest. They concluded that copying files has an obvious advantage with faster drives, but the performance increase stops there. Editing, render didn't feel different. I suspect speeds above 15000 should see improvement in performance at all levels, but I haven't seen a comparison.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@osoriony, Absolutely! Sounds about right. What We do know about Rendering Resources from previous Testing, the CPU does 90% of the job while the GPU does on average 10% of the job. All of Our Rendering had been to spinning 7200 RPM Drives for 1080/ 59.94 video. 4k and 12k, eager to find out if any and if so, how much an NVMe will affect that. So far, the best Rendering tests have not shown any different. However, that does not stop Us in Our performance quest for the best value! Stay tuned!

[@osoriony]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much again for your reply. That would be great. Looking forward to that video. Have a great weekend 👍

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@osoriony, Yes! Ditto! Thank You!

[@2684dennis]

if i put a gpu in a 8 lane slot of a x570, does that slow the gpu down?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Dutch, Good question. Nice to meet You! Doubt You'd see a slow down. And if You had an RTX 30xx, would that be acceptable? The bigger problem would be, You now have 2 - x8 Slots. Therefor, no M.2 Quad card. You'd have to use a self Bifurcated Quad card that would work in a x8 Slot. That would be the Glotrends Sky card. We have a Video on that Card here: GloTrends Sky x8 M.2 NVMe Quad card - PCIe 3.0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 According to the x570 Specs, this all works. We've yet to see one in practice where it actually will work. Tell Us Your Motherboard Brand and Model so we can double check. Non of the Gigabyte x570 Motherboards will work, to give You 2 - x16 Slots using a Video card. Too many shared Resources.

[@2684dennis]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reaction, i appreciate it. let me explain my situation quick first, currently i got a to old and slow system and i decided i want to build my next pc my self but i never done that before, the past couple months ive been spending a lot of time watching vids and asking question to learn what to watch out for for configure youre system, ad this moment i learnd a lot and i understand a lot, but the more you learn the harder it get to configure a system. im not really looking for a best bang for bug system but im looking for a high end best gaming pc not looking ad costs, my plan is to buy each month a part so in a while i got every thing, i allready goot orderd the case and cpu cooler, so my motherboard that i want to go for is the msi meg x570 godlike am4 to pare it up with a 5000 series cpu and 6900 gpu, but now i was scrolling the internet to see whats new and i stumbled on this card that has 8Tb memory with read and write speeds up to 15000 mb/s according the specs: GIGABYTE AORUS Gen4 AIC 8 TB SSD www.alternate.nl/AORUS/Gen4-AIC-8-TB-SSD/html/product/1651423?event=search So ad this point i try to learn if the system can handle it, but i found out that the card need 16 lanes, and the godlike has 4 slots with slot one 16/8 ,slot two 4, slot three 8/4 and slot four 4 so from what i understand id would still downgrade the gpu even if i got it slotted in de 16x lane. or have you other ideas, cause the vid you suggested is a different kind of card? Thanks Dutch

[@Jason_Music]

41:27 you can clean the disk using the cmd tool "diskpart" to have this part showing again :)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jason_Music, Yes! Thank You for pointing that out! We try to Keep it Simple!

[@Jason_Music]

@@BuildOrBuy your videos are long but great for the info they provide ! Thanks for taking the time !

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Jason_Music, Thank You! Agreed! You should see what was cut out! Labor of love! Thanks for Watching!

[@scipionyx]

Loved this video so much! Keep at it!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Farhanul, Thank You! Will do! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@vanb5264]

The Volume label for drive three was set to NVME_1 - but does that correspond to the m.2_1 on the AIO Card (lowest slot, closest to PCIE connector)? If so, how can you tell?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Van B, Good question! The M.2 Connectors are labeled from PCIe Slot Edge Connector Up as M2_1, M2_2, M2_3 and M2_4 on top. Stenciled on the PCB as read from I/O Slot Bracket. Thanks for Asking!

[@mirrorking2]

some benchmarks would be nice, especially wanna see if it can go over the rated 15gb/s they advertise, if its pcie4.0 it should be able to handle 27gb/s++ with 4 fast disks, but i suspect they use some older chips/switches in it.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi King, Welcome! Working on it! Had to sidestep due to WRX80 then Thunderbolt 4 then Adobe AE MFR! Whew! Will be about Heat and Speed Tests just like we've done on the individual 2nd Generation PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe Drives! Staging the Shot was an issue. Remember, Vendors Quote Specs of Burst mode as if that's actual throughput! Stay tuned!

[@infinityncharlize7601]

great video with very good explanation ! I was able to instal 2 kingstone k3000 - but how the raid 0 can be setup ? do you have a video on this? I tried Aorus Storage Manager but it is not doing anything, still showing 2 unallocated drive in computer management ! tks

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi InfinitYn Charlize, Welcome! A Windows RAID 0? We just completed a Video on a RAID 0 Thunderbolt Device with the Steps applicable to Your situation for setting up thos 2 NVMe Drives. In Disk Management, right click one of the Drives. Choose Strip and proceed to ADD the 2nd Drive and Format. Voila! JEYI Quad NVMe RAID Enclosure Thunderbolt kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKW8e5-KmdKhnJo Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@EdwardGrubb3rd]

I have a couple questions: My current build: Case: Thermaltake view 91 TH Motherboard: Gigabyte Designer Ver 1 CPU: AMD Threadripper x3900 CPU AIO Cooler: NZXT kraken 73 GPU: GeForce RTX 3090 Ram: 256GB G.Skill One problem I am having is that the 3090 is so large it takes over the second slot on your motherboard so I can’t install the TR-Thunderbolt 3 card. On the board itself I have an off brand NVMe M.2 and on the second slot of have a 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Pro For my Aorus Gen4 AIC adapter I have 4 Samsung 1GB 980 Pros. The card is Ver. 1 Also the case fan controller is DOA. The fans move but no RGB. The case has a GPU vertical mount but I can’t find a PCIE 4.0 cable to mount it. I haven’t installed the Thunderbolt 3 card or the AIC card yet because the 3090 GPU is so large. Do you have any tips for me about where to install these cards and if the AIC will accept the new 4X Samsung 980 Pro I’d appreciate all your feedback. You videos have helped get me up and running so far.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Edward, Nice to meet You! Well documented. Nice Build! Welcome to the Platform! 1. Bios version? 2nd PCIe x8 Slot was unusable with Bios we we tested. No PCIe Lane assignment. 2. Since RTX 3090 requires 3 Slots, a riser card would help. A PCIe 4.0 Riser cable is hard to locate. There is one on Amazon listed. Currently out of stock. I'll need time to research that. Not ideal but possible. From what I've read, riser cables are not reliable. This reminds me of when we changed PATA Drive cables from 40 pin to 80 pin. Don't know yet if same applies. 3. The Gigabyte Quad AIC is PCIe 4.0. Therefor, both the Samsung 980 Pro and Western Digital Black SN850, which are 2nd Generation PCIe 4.0 Drives will work. No we have not tested. Was only able to aquire 1 of each. Until we can test 2nd PCIe x8 Slot with a workable Bios, that Slot it not usable. The latest Bios may solve that. We will test shortly. Stay tuned! How do You use Your Threadripper 3? This helps Us to make better videos!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Edward, Here's the PCIe 4.0 riser cable... 1. Information About PCIe Riser Cable and Extender Compatibility with PCIe Gen 4.0 Desktop Systems www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-270 2. linkup.one/pcie-4-0-riser-cables-ultra/

[@EdwardGrubb3rd]

@@BuildOrBuy I will look into which cable is best to buy. I’ll have to do some research between them. Thanks so much.

[@EdwardGrubb3rd]

@@BuildOrBuy I’m using bios “f9i” released 2‎020/09/16. I’m going to skip the TB3 card for now. If the case fan controller wasn’t DOA I wouldn’t even have the spare USB2 port for it. I need to look at an internal USB2 hub extender. I’ll rewatch your video and try the AIC card on the remaining two slots to see if it works. I’ll report back.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@EdwardGrubb3rd, Yes! This is still bleeding edge technology for a riser cable. There will be more, in time. Let Us know if You find something better!

[@detrypt]

Hi, very useful clip. But my problem is the AIC won't show in the BIOS... I don't know what's wrong, have you run into this situation before?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi detrypt, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Easy fix. Tell Us about Your Motherboard and Chipset?

[@detrypt]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reply, after several tries, I just figured it out, two things needed to be done, 1. Set PCIe to Gen 4, 2. Set bifurcation to x4x4x4x4, then it showed up at last! My MB is Gigabyte Aorus TRX40 Extreme 1.1 Rev.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@detrypt, Clarity! Sorry about that! Goes to show, never take anything for granted. And I think We reference that in the Videos using the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard. What's interesting about Bifurcation, Gigabyte states, that's suppose to be automatic on PCIe 4.0. NOT! Glad You're in Business and Up and Running! This helps Us to make better Videos! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@maxhughes5687]

Super, thanks.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Max, You're most welcome! Thank You!

[@Slamscape]

Something I am having trouble researching with this card though, as I am piecing together my new PC and deciding what parts to buy. Does this card make the read and write of the drive faster than what it would be alone in a normal 4.0 m.2 slot? Right now im planning on getting a Crosshair viii dark hero motherboard which has two 4.0 m.2 ports. And for that im going to put in a Sabrent 4TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 R/W 4900/3500 MB/s, and a Sabrent Rocket Q 8TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 R/W 3300/2900MB/s. But would this adapter card actually give me more read and write speed than they would give me in the on board 4.0 m.2 slots? As Asus says the pcie 4.0 slot have a bandwidth of 8066 MB/s, which is more than the cards say they can do? too many number around to get it straight in my head. also concerned this card wont fit with a water cooled rtx 3090 FE. =P

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Slamscape, Let's keep it simple. You have 3 possible ways to connect an M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD Drive. Listed by Speed. And that Speed is burst mode! 1. Motherboard M.2 connector to CPU. 2. 1 x16 electrically PCIe M.2 Quad AIC to CPU. If through Chipset. Slower. 3. Motherboard M.2 Connector to Chipset. The main benefit for an M.2 NVMe Quad card is capacity then speed whether JBOD or RAID. Hope that helps! Keep Us posted on Your Progress! Congrats on Your new Build! And the ETX 3090, how many Slots wide?

[@Slamscape]

@@BuildOrBuy That’s what I would have figured. That having the m.2 directly connected to the motherboard would be faster than having an added step in the list. What confused me was people saying they get write speeds with this adaptor card of over 10 gb/s. But now I’m assuming that speed only goes with raid configs? What’s the difference between m.2 connected to cpu vs the chipset? Only thing I can think of is the cpu one is the one located physically closer to the cpu? As for the rtx 3090 fe. Think of a large square brick resting on the motherboard. :P

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Slamscape, Yes, RAID 0 - What I call, Flying by the seat of our pants RAID! The M.2 connected to CPU is always faster whereas the M.2 connected to Chipset is somewhat neutered since the Chipset is connected to the CPU through more PCIe Lanes either 4 or 8. It's a squeeze. And that's a bottleneck. We should talk more about that in another Video. Our Goal is to Keep it Simple! Brick - If it works, it works! We're always looking for brackets. Most Brackets are for specific Cases.

[@Slamscape]

@@BuildOrBuy oh it works. 24gb of vram fury, and over 10k cudas. It’s been letting me smash cod Cold War on 4K with all graphics set to maximum. ... except motion blur. F motion blur

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Slamscape, What PCIe 4.0 Cable Extender are You using? Glad You've found one that works reliably!

[@GODLIKE99KINGZ]

Can you post links to Adapters with Bifurcation done by chip? I'm on x570. BTW no one does video with so much information like you anymore. Great Work.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi 99KINGZ, Yes! Thank You for Your Comments! For now... We have a Video about the GloTrends AIC here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 Bifurcation done by AIC chipset. I'll get You those other links this evening.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi 99KINGZ, Bifurcation AICs... 1.) GloTrends Sky - Requires x8 Slot. amzn.to/31Fdxnz 2.) GloTrends Palace - Requires x16 Slot. amzn.to/3hIbPHI Both use ASMedia 2824 Controller Chipset. Programmed differently. 3.) A ADWITS Quad M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe X16 Adapter, ASM2824 PCI Express 3.0 X16 Switch to 4 Ports M.2 Adapter Card,Supports RAID,PCIe Bifurcation,4 X4 NVMe amzn.to/3ib0saF 5.) Syba Dual M.2 NVMe Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 Bifurcation Riser Controller - Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard (SI-PEX40129) amzn.to/337ZGqN 6.) Syba USA - Quad M.2 NVMe Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 Bifurcation Riser Controller - Support Non-BiFurcation Motherboard amzn.to/2S4QpcS Smart PCIe Switching Built-In (Bifurcation Switch) "The SSD7101A-1 and 7102 uses the same PLX chipset on the board however the SSD7102 has an extra EFI chipset." 7.) High Point SSD7101A-1 4X Dedicated 32Gbps M.2 Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 RAID Controller amzn.to/3hxZpCb 8.) High Point SSD7102 Bootable 4X M.2 NVMe RAID Controller - N/A amzn.to/2G1Zro7 2nd Generation NVMe RAID Controller series... 9.) High Point SSD7103 Bootable 4X M.2 NVMe RAID Controller - amzn.to/3hC5sWs As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 10.) Amfeltec Squid Carrier Board - PCI Express Gen 3 Carrier Board for six M.2 NVMe www.amfeltec.com/pci-express-carrier-boards-for-m-2-ssd-modules/

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi 99KINGZ, Excellent idea! Just to be clear, the Samsung 980 Pro 1TB is PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation! Now Available for Order! amzn.to/36vFYaL

[@GODLIKE99KINGZ]

@@BuildOrBuy That impressive list. Thx. I have checked all cards. All do Bifurcation independently but will all work in PCIE x16 (physical) if only PCIE x8 electronically ? Also is there any Gen4 adapter ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@GODLIKE99KINGZ,Yes! I forgot about that one! From High Point. Requires x16 Slot, electrically. Only one, we're aware of, that's PCIe 4.0. There will be others, in time. Let me check, I'll get the Model Number... High Point PCIe 4.0 Controllers - highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series-ssd7500-overview.htm

[@wilsione]

great video! i have a question if i installed 1TB nvme (bootdrive) and later on add 3pcs-1TB nvme on the remaining slots, will there be any issue? or any inconvenience later on if I decided to install the 3nvme? Thank You

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi RockstarSyndrome, Welcome! Great Question! Appreciate Your Comments! That Depends. We have to Qualify Our response. It should not but it might. 1. Does Your Motherboard have a x16 PCIe Slot, electrically not just mechanically? 2. Can that Slot be full Bifurcated from x16 to x4x4x4x4? 3. Does Your CPU have enough PCIe Lanes for that PCIe Resource allocation? If All of the above are true, all will be fine. The next Step would if all 4 Drives are to be Singular as in JBOD - Just a Bunch of Disks or all 4 in RAID. That's why We make these Videos to simplify the Process. Hope that clarification helps! Thanks for Watching! BTW: What's Your Motherboard Model and Chipset. We can check for You. To get into all of that Requires a Video to Explain what We need to do to make that work!

[@wilsione]

@@BuildOrBuy First of all I want to give complement to you that you are a professional on your field. My computer is hp z840(no m2 slot) and quite slow on boot time ((i have HDD b4 and then ssd and then new ssd (all previous was broken for some reason) ) and have a haunch that my storage drive is the bottle neck. So I searched over the net about storage, I was opting for HPZ turbo drive but its quite expensive so I ended up with Aorus. in your video 47:24 you said that "it is a one time procedure" so this triggers me about my question regarding the boot drive. what you suggest? 1. shall I buy 3 other drive 2. or there will be no issue if i go ahead with 1 nvme and later on add the 3 if I needed to. 3. is there things that I am missing because im not a technical person. thank you very much sir!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@wilsione, Thank You! I'm honored! Since Your HP Z840 does not Support Bifurcation, You'll need an Add in card that is Self Bifurcated. Those types of cards have a PLX Chip to handle the PCIe Lane Switching. Since Your Motherboard does not have an M.2 Connector, Your Bios may not Support Booting from a Self Bifurcated add in card. Highpoint makes a Bootable, Self Bifurcated card for 4 M.2 NVMe Drives. Highpoint SSD7505 RAID Controller amzn.to/3MlD3CB As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases! This card has its own Bios and will Append Your Motherboard Bios. Configuration is a bit involved. We may create a Video on this card in the future to simplify understanding the process.

[@zeyuqin9570]

Good video!! This's can help me!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi zeyu qin, Welcome! Excellent! Are Adding Storage or Creating a RAID array or both?

[@MrYeahii]

First of all thank you so much for making this video, i learned a lot, i have a question if you can please answer it, i have an x570 Motherboard will i be able to still use my GPU on X16 and allocate just x8 lanes to this card and only use 2 Gen3 drives on it? i can get this card for sub 40 dollars and i am wondering if i can use this way? Thanks Again

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mohammed, Yes! Install Drives on Connectors 1 & 2. Bifurcate in Bios. PCIe 4.0 is suppose to be Auto Bifurcation. Set it Manually like we have to do on PCI 3.0. Good deal! And remember, Your Video card will now run at x8. I know, It is what it is.

[@MrYeahii]

@@BuildOrBuy got it, i appreciate the quick response 👍

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@MrYeahii, Absolutely! Good timing!

[@98f5]

40$ for this card hope u boughtthem all lol

[@vanb5264]

respect

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Van B, Thank You! Appreciate Your Feedback!

[@petroniobonavides3530]

Please show the performance of this piece

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Programming for Everyone, Yes! Sorry to be so slow to respond! More than You asked for, but it's in there! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaDSmIdmms2jjbc Thanks for watching! Stay tuned!

[@maxhughes5687]

Amazon's Hyper GEN4 Asus card for $70 is covered in reviews that the card won't give them 4 GEN4 drives in their Ryzen build. KZbin never stressed the cpu lane bottle neck on a Ryzen or the reason to want a first gen TR board. Ryzen is16x or 8X 8X that's it. A 3900X or 3950X is more cores but AM4 is still one 16X cpu lanes. No one bought the 8/12 core TRs so AMD gave us the Ryzen 12/16 core cpus and jumped to a 24 core TR at $1349 starting price.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Max, The x570 Chipset can Bifurcate the 1 single x16 Slot to ×4+x4+×4+×4 to accept 4 NVMe Drives. Do You remember what Motherboard was being used so we look further into that subject? Thanks for Your help. And Appreciate Your Comments. Helps Us to make better Videos!

[@maxhughes5687]

@@BuildOrBuy Just specs on these board show X16 or X8 X8. I saw so many people review the Asus Hyper Gen4 m.2 card that didn't realize how few Cpu lanes they got on the AM4 socket. At least a GEN4 mobo would allow a gen4 gpu to run on gen4 8x at gen3 16x speeds. I'm still on first gen TR and Ryzen 1900X/1600X. I only buy gen4 Hyper cards/DIMM2 cards/m.2 drives/gpus/cpus/DDR4 Samsung B-die.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@maxhughes5687, 1.) All TRX40 Motherboards have 2 x16 and 2 x8 Slots, PCIe 4.0. Most X399 Motherboards are same - 2 x16 and 2 x8 Slots, PCIe 3.0. 2.) We can wish! Currently, there are no PCIe 4.0 Video cards. Yet! 3.) PCIe Lane assignments are same for PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 4.0. Maintains backwards compatibility. 3.) I'm with You there! My main System for 'doing everything' is a Ryzen 1800X, second Generation. Excellent work Computer! 4.) DIMM2 cards, You must be using an ASUS Motherboard? Samsung B-die, G.Skill? Thanks for sharing!

[@maxhughes5687]

@@BuildOrBuy A Zenith Extreme/1900X/96GB G Skill (Samsung B-die) 3200MHz 14 14 14 14 34/Radeon VII/Hyper card/ 4 2TB Sabrent GEN4/one DIMM2 (new with heat sinks) and a 1TB Sabrent GEN4 NVMe ( W10 backup). I've been at it for 34 months. I still want that Asus 43" 4K 144Hz monitor. First gen Zenith had 8 cpu lanes to the DIMM2 card. The new TRX40 Zenith II the DIMM2 has 8 lanes off the chipset and it's the mobo M.2 lanes between the PCIe sockets that are direct cpu lanes.

[@maxhughes5687]

@@BuildOrBuy The ram. One kit of 2 8GB in 2018, one kit of 2 8GB in 2019 and one kit of 4 16GB in 2020. 96GB 3200C14 with one click in the bios. I'm sold on Asus Omnimem and G. Skill Trident Z.

[@donjon7554]

Yes! Again You've said something very important after just 2 first minutes of this video. My aim is exactly like you said. I don't mind putting my graphic card in PCI express 4x slot (electrically) cause a GT 1030 doesn't require more right? Besides I don't play games and I only need that card cause unlike Intel CPUs Ryzen 3900X doesn't have an integrated GPU in itself. Because all of that I can use an add-on card and put it into AMD's x570's chipset's only 1 PCI express 4.0 16x electrical slot and have a maximum of 4 nvme cards in there on an add-on card provided that resource management and PCI birification allows it. Am I correct about this?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Don Jon, You are correct! What's Your Motherboard? I'd like to check out the Specs and verify how Your Motherboard is setup by reading the PDF file. That's not bullet proof but it's a starting point. This is all about how to use that x16 Slot and to keep that Slot at x16 so it does not drop to x8. So far what we've seen, by the AMD Chipset Spec, it works. However, by Motherboard Vendor implementation, it does not. We're seeing only 1 x16 Slot for Video card. As soon as the 2nd x16 Slot is used, the 1st x16 Slot drops to a x8 Slot. Why? Shared PCIe Resources. And that's annoying! We need to verify Slot #3! Otherwise, the only way to use a Quad card on an x570 Motherboard, which is PCIe 4.0, is to use a Self Bifurcated card that works in a x8 Slot. And said card is only PCIe 3.0. Which is another bummer! No one yet makes a x8 card that is PCIe 4.0. Everyone is just now realizing that, including Motherboard Vendors! Go figure. The only way this works would be if You use a CPU that has Video on board. And that stinks! Let's check Your Motherboard to be certain of Slot 3.

[@donjon7554]

@@BuildOrBuy I don't follow but firstly my unopened MSI x570 Godlike has got a x16 mechanical PCI express x8 electrical gen 4.0 twice m.2 nvme gen 4 card. Second, I use MSI x570-A Pro motherboard with a GeForce GT 1030 kept in 8x electrical slot. This gives nice results when testing with xpander card from Godlike motherboard. It feels right and biurification is present in BIOS so I have already made RAID0 in Windows 10.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@donjon7554, I hear what You're saying now. Got it. You're using 2 or 4 NVMe Drives? I like to have the Specs in front of me to see what is what. 1.) MSI x570 Godlike - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen supports PCIe 4.0 x16/x0/x0, x8/x0/x8, x8/x4/x4 mode. www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-GODLIKE/Specification - PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 x16 = expander card - PCI_E2 PCIe 4.0 x4 - PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 x8 = Video card! - PCI_E4 PCIe 4.0 x4 2.) MSI x570-A Pro - Has 1 x PCIe 4.0/ 3.0 x16 slot (PCI_E1). www.msi.com/Motherboard/X570-A-PRO/Specification - PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 x16 = expander card - PCI_E2 PCIe 3.0 x1 - PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 x4 = Video card! Not x8 Slot. - PCI_E4 PCIe 3.0 x1 - PCI_E5 PCIe 3.0 x1

[@mistakek]

Do you know if this card works in linux? I'd like all 4 drives to show up individually then use zfs to create a raidz pool. The board supports bifurcation 4x4

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi mr kek,, Welcome! Great Question! It should. As an Add in card, I/O is a function of the Bios. The 1st Question for JBOD, does Your Motherboard, CPU and Chipset have the PCIe CPU Lanes to accommodate this technology. Two Requirements, a X16 Slot, electrically and Bios Bifurcation. The next Step if so chosen would be RAID. This Add in Card can be either a Hybrid Bios Bootable RAID or an O/S RAID. Both are CPU based RAID vs a GPU based RAID. More than You asked but thought You might Appreciate knowing that path.

[@giannismavridis]

Hello! Well done for this nice review! I have a question. I own a Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 (rev. 1.0) motherboard. Can my motherboard run any of these cards? And if not, is there any similar card- controller that could work with my motherboard? Thank you in advance!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Giannis Mavridis, Thank You! This one will not. However, here is one we can recommend that will! Listed below! Research for other Users who may have need of this. Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 (rev. 1.0) Motherboard www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#kf ASUS [Motherboard] Compatibility of PCIE bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 2017... 18 Bios Updates. Last one, 7-2-2020, Wow! Reading through You PDF Manual, Page 6. Nothing about Bifurcation. Would require a Bios Update, if it could work. It will not. Here's why... You have 1 x16 Slot and 1 x8 Slot. When both PCIe Slots are populated they share Bandwidth. Therefor both run at x8. Not enough PCIe Resources. Have included the Link to ASUS so You can see what they're doing on other Chipsets from their Brand above. Your best Option: A Bifurcated card. That would be a Quad AIC with the PLX Chip for Lane Switching. High Point or GloTrends. We have a Video on the GloTrends Sky AIC. Requires 1 x8 Slot. To reiterate, that will work for Your Motherboard. GloTrends Sky x8 M.2 NVMe Quad card Unboxing and Setup Installed in HEDT X399 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 How's that? Let Us know if You need any more help! Thanks for Watching!

[@giannismavridis]

@@BuildOrBuy Such an amazing answer! You are the best. Thank you very much!

[@giannismavridis]

@@BuildOrBuy One more Question please! Will my system be bootable with GloTrends? Thank you again! Keep up! :)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@giannismavridis, Absolutely! Thanks for asking!

[@giannismavridis]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you again! Your videos are rock-solid information always on point!

[@lgf30022]

What were the alternative Backup software to Acronis you mentioned? Can you share them? Thanks...great info for my build.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Lee Friedman, Yes! Absolutely! Congrats on Your Build! Welcome to the TRX40 Platform! Most Users never test the Clone, Image or BackUp Solution to make certain their Solution works. Big Mistake! Thanks for Watching! 1.) Macrium Reflect - Free and PAID versions - www.macrium.com/reflectfree 2.) EasUS Todo - Free and PAID versions - www.easeus.com/backup-software/tb-free.html 3.) Clonezilla - Free and Open Source Software for Disk Imaging and Cloning - clonezilla.org/ Thanks for Asking! What are You Using Your Threadripper 3 For?

[@lgf30022]

@@BuildOrBuy First, I need it for work, VM and container development. Second, I'm a nature photographer and videographer. I'm using Lightroom, Photoshop, Topaz Labs and Davinci Resolve. So I need power for that. This is actually my answer to the Mac Pro. Being a paste Windows and Mac user, I went to Mac and now my Mac Pro is too old, the new Mac Pro is way out of my price range, hence a TRX40 build.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@lgf30022 , Excellent! This helps Us with our Videos. I've scouted Alligators and documented their presence in an urban environment. Nature Video and Photography. Ok! I have a few Videos up under my name, Gill Boyd. That was suppose to for Behind the Scenes Videos about what it takes for BuildOrBuy. Welcome back and welcome to the TRX40 Platform! DaVinci Resolve is also Bang for the Buck! We may cover DaVinci Resolve for Beginners. We've had questions even about the install. Just goes to show, take nothing for granted. We never know who might need help with something we take for granted. And as always, Adobe wants all the Resources we can throw at it! The recent Performance tests AMD showed Resellers on the Threadripper Pro that benefitted the most were Adobe! No doubt.

[@cebrayilqafarli9912]

What is the cheapest motherboard you can use AORUS Gen4 AIC Adapter?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Cebrayil Qafarli, Great Question! Generically, a Quad card requires a dedicated PCIe X16 Slot, Bifurcated in the Bios from X16 to X4X4X4X4 for Full Bifurcation. That is on a HEDT or Workstation class Motherboard. Some Viewers have used Consumer Desktop Motherboards for this purpose by sacrificing the Video card which can work in a X8 Slot or using Onboard Video if supported by CPU. Doing the math on CPU PCIe Lanes helps Us to understand the situation! In a nutshell, We need more CPU PCIe Lanes than 24. That only allows for 1 - X16 + 1 - X4 (M.2) and 4 Lanes left to connect CPU to Chipset. A HEDT with PCIe 3.0 would be Intel X299 or AMD X399. For PCIe 4.0, AMD TRX40. Both Intel and AMD are abandoning the HEDT. Therefore, the Workstation for PCIe 4.0 would be the AMD WRX80. ASUS has a Bifurcation Chart indicating which Motherboards of theirs can be Fully Bifurcated. ASUS Bifurcation Chart www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/ Hope that helps!

[@NavySeal2k]

On X570 you have 1 x16 slot or 2 x8 slots. So you will only have 2 nvme slots working when you add a graphics card. Or you put your graphics in the third slot with only x4 lanes shared with all the rest of IO on the chipset…

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi NavySeal2k, Welcome! Correct. Results of Limited, Shared PCIe Resources. Unfortunate situation. BTW: Thank You for Your Service.

[@NavySeal2k]

@@BuildOrBuy Not a Seal, just my nickname since my gaming days in the 90s. I was a 74D in the German Army during 9/11 and got out before Germany deployed to Afghanistan.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@NavySeal2k, Got it. Perception and Perspective. We're all about Building purpose built Computers for Content Creation Rendering. In the past We built Computers for work, SOHO Desktop Computers.

[@jaystol7988]

i have a gigabyte b550 aorus pro ac. it has only one pci-e 4x16. i also have an xfx rx 6600xt. i don't play games, i do creative work. from what i understand, i can actually place my 6600xt in the pci-e 3, so that i would be able to place the AIC adapter in the pci-e 4. slower speeds for rendering, etc would by minimal, having the 6600xt in the pci-e 3. or at least i'm guessing, and from what other people are saying. since i have the pci-e 4 open now, this adapter (or GC-4XM2G4) should work on my motherboard?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jay Stol, Welcome! That depends upon if that x16 Slot can be fully Bifurcated from x16 to x4x4x4x4. Always the conundrum with shared PCIe Resources. See PDF Manual, page 30. PCIEX16 Bifurcation. That PCIe Slot does NOT support full Bifurcation. Only partial Bifurcation - Options: Auto, PCIE 2x8, PCIE 1x8/2x4, PCIE 2x4/1x8. (Default: Auto). Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

[@metaleater9]

I don't think it's much of a performance hit if at all to move your GPU to an 8x slot especially if its PCIE 4.0 as I don't think GPU have yet to even saturate a 3.0 8x slot. However I don't see anyone needing enough SSDs to warrant using this adapter whilst not needing the capabilities of a true HEDT platform which x570 really isn't, Maybe if x570 had triple channel ram support like x58 did then the HEDT designation would make sense.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Anonymous .A, Agreed on both accounts. Doubt anyone will ever notice a performance difference with Video in a x8 Slot. We have since learned, what the Chipset is capable of and the actual execution of said Chipset are 2 different things. Meaning? While the x570 chipset, on paper, has 1 x16 Slot, that is a shared Resource. How's that? The only way to retain a x16 Slot is to keep the Video on the Processor. No Video card! As this applies to Gigabyte x570 Motherboards, when both the x16 and x8 Slot are populated, they share Resources. The x16 becomes x8. Not a true dedicated x16 Slot which is a real bummer! You'd be surprised how many requests we're getting where Users with x570 chipsets want a Quad card. Not happening if they have a Video card! The requirements are narrow and specific. For example, Motherboard Brand, Model and Revision. Solution? A Self Bifurcated x8 Quad card. Like the Glotrends Sky card here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 The only way to know this stuff is to do it!

[@metaleater9]

​@@BuildOrBuy Oh yeah I forgot that an NVME drive was default which makes it 4 lanes short, However I guess that isn't a big deal as PCIE 4.0 4x is roughly equal to PCIE 3.0 8x. I find it odd that so many people with x570 would be that interested in a quad nvme card when the drives are still expensive enough that most people would end up paying more on storage than they did on the rest of their x570 system just to practically fill it. Maybe in few years where the systems become secondary machines and SSDs are cheap would it make sense for many users to be interested in a quad nvme card for an x570.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Ji@@metaleater9 , What's amazing is the price of a Bifurcated Quad card. And that's the only option for x570 with a Video card! We've only looked at all of the Gigabyte x570 Motherboards. We'll check the other vendors as the question arises.... Brand, Model and Revision! Research takes time! Currently working on next Video!

[@meh8099]

There is a guy on youtube who tested this. PCIE3.0 vs PCIE4.0 for a GPU. No difference at all so I think this will be the same with PCIE4 x8 vs x16. One thing, the AMD 5000's have 20 PCIE lanes directly to the CPU where 4 are already taken for the Chipset. So the x8 and x16 will actually be shared...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@meh8099 , Which means 2 x8 Slots since that's a Shared Resource. And that precludes using any NonBifurcated M.2 NVMe Quad card.

[@freshy2115]

have you tested to see if the card would be of use running at x8

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi NaruHaxor, Good question. Only 2 Drives would be seen. In a x8 Slot, a self Bifurcating card with 4 Drives such as the GloTrends Sky card would be preferable. We have a Video on that card here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80

[@gabrielharias]

Hello, I could install this pci adapter on my CrossHair Fórmula VII HERO (wifi) using the first slot for a Geforce 1080Ti ? I think it has X470 chipset. What its your opinión ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Gabriel Humberto Arias, Welcome! Is this Your Model? Please confirm and We'll check the Specs! This may Require a Video Response for the What, Why and How. ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) X470 rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vii-hero-wi-fi-model/

[@gabrielharias]

@@BuildOrBuy yes, I confirm that's my model. I'm not completely shure if I could use at least two nvme in that pci Adaptor due to pci resources on my motherboard. Thanks in advance for your fast response.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@gabrielharias , Good timing today! We had a Video Premiere! Working on next Video! Need to verify Your Specs. Give me a few days. Appreciate Your Patience!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Gabriel Humberto Arias, BTW: What CPU are You using? We need to know what We're working with!

[@gabrielharias]

@@BuildOrBuy Hello, I'm using a Ryzen7 2700x CPU AMD, socket AM4.

[@BertKnispel]

Hou setup on a Gigabyte z790 aorus elite ax. (bios)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello user-bb8js9gw21, Welcome! Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10 1. Install Quad card in only PCIX16 Slot. 2. Set Bios Bifurcation In Bios see: PCIE Bifurcation Support Change X16 to X4X4X4X4 If Your only option is from X16 to X8X8 then You will only see 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives.

[@NazarMalyy]

Amazing content!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nazar, Nice to Meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! We have 2 other Videos on this subject. ASUS Hyper Quad x16 version 1 and Glotrends Sky card. We will be showing the other 2 ASUS Quad cards, in time. An exciting time to be Building a Computer! 1.) ASUS Hyper M2 X16 NVMe Quad card plus four Samsung 970s - AMD NVMe RAID 0 Upgrade - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmaqXq2ZntOYqJY 2.) GloTrends Sky x8 M.2 NVMe Quad card Unboxing and Setup Installed in HEDT X399 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80

[@RobWellard]

Thank you, this helped, how do you set up the raid on it, i cannot get it working at all.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Rob, Looks like we need to do another RAID Install. How far did You get? Bootable RAID or O/S RAID? Bios or Driver? This Video might help as a checklist: ASUS Hyper M2 X16 NVMe Quad card plus four Samsung 970s - AMD NVMe RAID 0 Upgrade kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmaqXq2ZntOYqJY

[@RobWellard]

@@BuildOrBuy I have it installed and sort of working, the ssds are set up windows can see them, however, if you open the aorus storage manager there are no disks present. I have it on irst running raid 0, but weirdly can't see the ssds on the aorus storage manager. I am booting off another ssd on the motherboard. I couldn't get it working to boot off the card itself with the two 512 samsung pro ssds, as that would have been awesomely quick. I am trying to get it to work with an Aorus x299x master, you would think it would be plug and play. :-(

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@RobWellard , Knowing Your Chipset helps greatly. Working with where You're at now... Did You install the Windows RAID Chipset Drivers?

[@victorgallon99]

Hi Gill, sorry for so many questions, since I have the ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 PCIe 4.0, I get it to read all 4 disks but I don't have the speed advantage, my question is: should I join these disks? I have the windows in a Sabrent Rocket 1TB and I want to keep the windows there in Sabrent, I want to use the ASUS Hyper as support for the work, how can I get the benefit of speed? I see many videos doing RAID but I want it to work as your configuration (not windows install in it) send a picture of how it looks to your email

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Victor, Good to hear from You! Here to help! If You want the fastest... You have 2 Options for RAID. 1. BIOS hybrid RAID. Choose Volume for fastest. 2. Windows RAID. Easiest to configure. Remember: Anything in RAID should exist in 3 places. A Bios hybrid RAID can fail. Although it's the fastest. A Windows RAID can fail but I've never had that happen. Get Your Bios current before creating a hybrid Bios RAID array. Updating the Bios can cause a RAID array to disappear meaning it has to be recreated. We're going to have to do another video on RAID. We did one on the x399 with ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 AIC Revision 1 doing exactly what You want except we show selecting Raid instead of Volume. We just did not get a chance to make the 2nd part to that video. Long story. Anyway... Hope that helps. Congrats getting this far along!

[@victorgallon99]

@@BuildOrBuy Excuse me again Gill, I sent you a test image of my pc to the mail, do you think it is working well? I notice a difference compared to a single 970 plus 500gb, I thought it would be faster than a 1tb sabrent, I will think about improving the NVMe, what do you think? is Hyper M.2 working fine?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@victorgallon99, I'm currently on Smartphone. Will not see Computer until this evening for email. Have a Client this afternoon... Will take a look then and get back to You.

[@victorgallon99]

@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gill what do you think of that performance? could you see the mail? really thanks for all this

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@victorgallon99, Absolutely! Sorry I did not get back to You sooner. Was Filming this last video. Your results are for PCIe 3.0. Not for PCIe 4.0. Which ASUS Hyper Quad AIC do You have! There are 3. Only 1 is PCIe 4.0. And the Drives? To reiterate: 1. PCIe 3.0 M.2 NVMe = 3,500MBps. 2. PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe = 5,000MBps 1st Generation. 3. PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe = 7,000MBps 2nd Generation. Something is off kilter.

[@punchatz]

Any chance on getting you to drive to Dallas to install mine?? 😂

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Gregor Punchatz, Welcome! Absolutely! Right now, only on weekends! Working a 6 month IT Specialist Contract. Going through 4 Pallets of Chromebooks. 4 more Pallets to Tag and Inventory. Then all 8 plus Pallets to introduce into Enterprise for Asset Management, Configuration and Use. And that's just a 2 week Project. My travel time would be 4 hours out and back. Plus food and lodging. I'm game if You are! First, does Your Motherboard have the Resources to handle a Quad card?

[@punchatz]

I somehow missed your response … I still need help with this, I have the motherboard that you were using in this video demonstration , I have a 3090 and also a 10 Gb Network card installed. Would there be any conflict with those cards?

[@oraka10]

Hi I wonder what was the speed read and write that you get on that configuration . If i get 4×sumsung 980 pro would it support that speed of 7 gb of 24 in total on PCIe 4 or is there any bottleneck some where in the design

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Or Aka, Good to meet You! We are working on that Topic right now as an ongoing project. We have tested 1 - 1TB Samsung 908 Pro Drive for performance on 2nd M.2 NVMe Connector. Single Samsung 980 Pro achieved 6,700 MB Read and 4,900 MB write on 2nd M.2 Connector. Using 4 - 2TB Sabrent PCIe 4.0 1st Generation Drives, we achieved 8,400 MB Read; 12,000 MB Write in Windows Software RAID. Using 4 1TB Samsung 908 Pros should do better since those are 2nd Generation! We tested using CrystalDiskMark7. Default parameters. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! We're working on a Video of those Stats. Stay tuned!

[@Xaser77]

Hi, AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor runs on other Motherboard brand TRX4 (Asus, MSI, etc) ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Xaser77, Nice to meet You! Any TRX40 Motherboard, Absolutely Yes! Terminology may be different but same concept - ASUS Hyper Quad vs x4x4x4x4 vs Bifurcation. All meaning the same thing. Yes! Good question! Thanks for Asking! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@Xaser77]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for your fast answer, your channel is awsome, Happy Thanksgiving from France!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Xaser77, Thank You for Your Comments! Anything You'd like to know more about, let Us know! Yes, Happy Thanksgiving! Love Your Family while You can. I lost my Mom in March 2020. Family is everything. I'm honored to have a Subscriber from France!

[@rango_unchained]

You mentioned this card on an X570 mobo will need the PCIe x16 slot and the GPU will then need to be installed in an PCIe x8 slot. I understand why, but I'm curious as to what happens to my RTX3070 in a slower slot? Is there another option or should I get a different GPU?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Anorexic Rango, Nice to meet You. Keep Your GPU! The problem is the Motherboard. Not enough PCIe Resources if You want both the GPU and an M.2 NVMe Quad card. You need 2 x16 Slots. Not happening on x570. Give Us Brand and Model of Your Motherboard, we'll check what You have. And let You know Your options. Another option is to use a self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe Quad card. Would require a x8 Slot. If Your Motherboard has 1 x16 and 1 x8, they will both be used as x8. Why: Shared Resources.

[@rango_unchained]

@@BuildOrBuy I have not yet purchased a motherboard. I have the Ryzen 9 3950x cpu and I'm building around it. I'm now trying to figure out how to incorporate 4 or more NVMe M.2 drives. I greatly appreciate your vids and information you provide!

[@BuildOrBuy]

@@rango_unchained Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Here to help! Let's cut to the chase from the direction You've just mentioned. You want 2 x16 Slots. That's a HEDT. Or, considering the CPU You have, You want an X570 Motherboard with 1 x16 and 1 x8 Slot. When both Slots are used, because of shared Resources, You end up with 2 x8 slots. Video card x 16 is cut to x8 and NVMe Drive Lanes are cut. Why? Shared PCIe Resources. Your option then would be a self Bifurcated PCIe M.2 NVMe Card. You want PCIe 4.0. Since You have a x8 Slot, You're only going to have access to a self Bifurcated PCIe 3.0 card. There are no self Bifurcated PCIe 4.0 cards that give PCIe 4.0 performance yet. Lots of tradeoffs. The other direction is back to a HEDT x299, x399 TRX40 or WRX80 Motherboard. The chipset is the Foundation of a Motherboard. For 4 NVMe Drives, using what's possible even on the Motherboard like a HEDT, You might have 2 through the CPU and 2 through the Chipset. Four PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD Drive on a Quad card keep them equal in performance since that Slot will either be connected through the CPU or the Chipset. Crazy right. It's just a matter of adding up the PCIe Lanes and figuring out their respective Distribution. I don't think enough is being said about this subject. Seems like lots of smoke and mirrors.

[@rango_unchained]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much! I have some choices and will consult with my CFO before I make a decision. I'll catch up on more of your vids in the meantime.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@rango_unchained, I hear that! Let me know when You're ready to proceed! Or if You need more insight on the subject. Hope that helps!

[@Outdoorshuntingshooting]

I have just installed mine in the 8x slot on a msi x570 tomahawk as only using two drive at mo, only one drive showing, which i will check the bios for bi-furcation, but is the fact the slot is not 16 electrical relevant?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Andrew, Not being in a x16 Slot electrically is very relevant. Once Bifurcation is enabled in Bios, 2 Drives are all You will see. The only way to see 4 Drives in that Slot would be to install a Self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe card like the GloTrends Sky card. Hope that helps!

[@Outdoorshuntingshooting]

@@BuildOrBuy hi thanks for reply. I should have also mentioned I am using the motherboard M.2 sockets as well. Looks like I am outta PCI lanes. So, what I have done is put the two x 2tb 970 evo drives back on the motherboard and 1 on the card. the gfx card (3080) is running 8x but I am not losing any performance so good enough. what I did observe is the CPU connected m.2 is about 10% faster than the non direct coupled pci lanes. I got the card on a deal for £60 so happy enough.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Outdoorshuntingshooting, Absolutely! Here to help! Changing one thing, changes everything! Glad You figured it out! PCIe Resources. Let's talk chipsets next time You Build.

[@FreestylerAlbert]

Is there any cad like this with raid chip?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi FreestylerAlbert, That would be pretty wild!

[@peterbrepoels2079]

Hello i have a x570 mobo and i have that aorus adapter with 4 nvme in it. But my bios only sees one drive. Bifurcation is on 4x4 and i am running the latest firmware. i am doing something wrong . But i don't know what....

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Peter, Nice to meet You! Are You in 1st x16 Slot? Which x570 Motherboard are You using?

[@peterbrepoels2079]

@@BuildOrBuy hello yes i am in the first 16 slot . I am using the aorus master X570 board. I am Running the latest bos version. And put bifrucation on 4x4 manually. But Hen i look in pcie in the bios. It says my first slot where they card is in is a 8X . And i tok the card out and on the mobo is 16X so i'm in the right pci lane. I have a m.2 on the motherboard but i rook that one out already and booted the pc again via An SSD. But stil nothing. The pc Sees only one nvme. And they are all Four out of the box new gigabyte pci4.0 nvme's.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@peterbrepoels2079, Give me a few minutes. I need to research Your Motherboard. Be right back!

[@peterbrepoels2079]

@@BuildOrBuy no problem take your time. I am glad someone is Willing to help.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@peterbrepoels2079, Reading though, page 10 in PDF Manual. Lots of double talk. In a nut shell, no go. You should only see 2 Drives. Otherwise, You need a self Bifurcating card that works in a x8 Slot. GloTrends has a card that will work in Your system. It's PCIe 3.0. We have a Video up on that one - GloTrends Sky. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 The only PCIe 4.0 self Bifurcating card, currently on the market, is from High Point. That card requires a x16 Slot. I have read some x570 Motherboards can do what You want but not this one. Bummer! I'll do some more research and see which x570 will support that card.

[@cebrayilqafarli9912]

Hello. I bought and used AORUS Gen4 AIC Adapter and plugged it into the motherboard. There are 4 2tb samsung 980 pro attached to this adapter. But the system only saw 1 2tb. How do I solve this problem? The motherboard and cpu model are gigabyte z590 aorus pro ax, Intel i511400.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Cebrayil Qafarli, Welcome! Great Question! Neither Your Motherboard nor Your CPU will Support a Quad Card. Not enough CPU PCIe Lanes. And... Your Motherboard only supports partial Bifurcation which would allow 3 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives to be seen and not 4 If installed in the 1st Slot! You have that 1 - X16 Slot, electrically. The other 2 Slots are X4, electrically. Furthermore, that X16 Slot Shares Bandwidth with M2B_CPU and M2C_CPU which leaves PCIeX16 with only 8 PCIe Lanes instead of 16 PCIe Lanes. Bummer, right. Such is what happens on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard with Shared Resources. Motherboard Manual, Page 37, PCIe Bifurcation Support Auto, PCIe X8/X8, PCIe X8/X4/X4 Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Pro AX Motherboard www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z590-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10#kf Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

[@cebrayilqafarli9912]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for your valuable opinion. There is PCIE Bifurcation support x8/x8 and x8/x4/x4 support in the bios of my motherboard. But even though I plug the Aic Adapter into the 1-ci x16 slot, it only shows 1 m.2.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@cebrayilqafarli9912, You have to make that change in the Bios to enable or turn on Bufurcation. Enable that feature then Reboot Your Computer for that feature to take effect. Q: Are You using M2B_CPU & M2C_CPU? In a X8 Slot using those 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives on the Motherboard, You will only see 1 Drive on the Quad card even with Bifurcation enabled. Not opinion, fact. X8 = 1st Drive only! Remove those 2 on the Motherboard to see 3 Drives on the Quad card. Hope that helps! Your other Option would be a Self Bifurcated card like the Glotrends Sky card which works in a X8 Slot.

[@cebrayilqafarli9912]

Hi, @BuildOrBuy These are the components currently plugged into the motherboard. Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB Seagate HDD 2tb Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB Samsung NVME 980 PRO 2TB Sabrebt NVME 1TB Sabrent NVME 1TB Samsung NVME 980 PRO 1TB 10Gb PCI-E Network Card All nvme and sata ports of the motherboard are full, an ethernet card is installed in the x8 slot.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@cebrayilqafarli9912, To reiterate, You do not have enough PCIe Lanes. The only X8 Slot, electrically, is the 1st Slot. And if all of the M.2 Drive Connectors on the Motherboard are populated, to reiterate, You are out of CPU PCIe Resources... The only way to Add anymore M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives will require a Glotrends Sky Quad card which is Self Bifurcated and will work in that only X8 Slot You have which is the 1st Slot. Count Your CPU PCIe Lanes.

[@Fjaelyep]

Does the gen4 adapter work with z490??

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Filip, Welcome! Working on next Video. Related. Will include Your Question in that Video. Relevant Question. Deserves an explanation.

[@Michaelmaertzdorf]

no need to use linux --> just open control panel --> Administrative Tools --> Computer management --> Disk management (Or just open "Computer Management" directly. No mather what FileSystem, it should always show in disk management (just with a filesystem it does not know what to do with it...)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Michael, I wish it were that easy. Yes, it should but IF it does not. If You ever run across one of those Drives, You'll know. It happens. Appreciate Your Input.

[@Stefandrobota]

Hi Gill, Do i need to install the amd raid drivers for a raid 0 (not bootable) either made in windows or bios on the gigabyte aorus aic gen 4? Same one you have in the video. I’m on gigabyte trx40 aorus xtreme, threadripper 3970x. Card is already in slot 1 and bifurcated. Only issue i have is slow benchmark tests (all bellow 1GB, even less than 100mb’s sometimes). Many thanks, Stefan

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Stefan Drobota, Welcome! Yes, for the Hybrid Bios RAID whether Bootable or not. Congrats on Your Build!

[@Stefandrobota]

@@BuildOrBuy hi Gill. Something’s wrong with my setup as cannot get it to work properly. Only managed to create a bootable raid array and speeds are disastrous. Less than 100mb/s. There’s a bottleneck somewhere. I even removed the other 2 nvme drives from the motherboard and only left the aorus aic gen 4 connected. In bios i have bifurcation on x4x4x4x4, gen 4 pcieslot, csm support disabled, nvme raid enabled. What am i doing wrong? Right drivers installed during windows setup..

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Stefandrobota Very odd. Tell me more. Which M.2 NVMe Drives are You using on the Quad card. Brand, Model and Capacity?

[@Stefandrobota]

@@BuildOrBuy 4x samsung 980 pro 2tb, updated the firmware through samsung magician. I reinstalled windows probably 6-7 times in the last 3 days. I’ve tried even the aorus storage manager and still slow speeds (no amd drives when made the raid 0 with the aorus storage manager, just bifurcation in bios and thats it). So far i tried bootable raid 0, aorus raid and raid 0 non bootable (updated 2 drivers in storage controller and device manager but 3rd one don’t know which one to update, as per instructions from that person in your video).

[@Stefandrobota]

@@BuildOrBuy i also tested each drive individually and they perform close to advertised specs. Doesn’t seem to be an issue with the drives.. either i’m missing a setting in bios or something is bottlenecking the raid. Bios version is FC. Trx40 aorus xtreme rev. 1.1 ,

[@promico]

ca you use the card and use it with just one or two M2 at first and add later on?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mico production מיקו הפקות, Welcome! Yes! However, what We found though was a load balancing issue if less than 4 Drives are used. Your Results may vary. Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching! Any more Computer Questions, please ask! This helps Us to make better Videos!

[@promico]

@@BuildOrBuy TNX

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@promico , Absolutely! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!

[@promico]

@@BuildOrBuy sorry for asking i just can't get a good answer. im looking to set up 2X 4TB m2 straight to my 16 or 8 pci . what kind of solution will you recommend? which extension card or raid card can i buy? it can have 2 slots or 4 slots so i can upgrade in the future and the raid is optional for me

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@promico, Here to help! Let start with Your Motherboard for Specifics. Do You have the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard? If not, which one? We need to know Your Motherboard Resources to know what You can do.

[@Terelle-2026]

Whoever is hitting the thumbs down button; were going to come over to your house and stand on your windshield

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Terelle 2026, Thank You! Very Much Appreciated! I needed that today! Gave me a chuckle.

[@LiverpoolfcEPL]

but but I dont have a car

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@LiverpoolfcEPL, I'm certain Terelle 2026 can find another creative Solution to accommodate anyone. Serious, Thanks for Watching!

[@tothepoint551]

I have this AIC with Gigabyte Aorus extreme v1.0 MB running F6 BIOS, even with Aorus storage manager the fan runs at full speed all the time, there have been 2 occasions where it mysteriously decided to operate at a quieter pace, but I have no idea why/how, and on reset it goes back to full speed again (forever), anyone had this problem and found a resolution? (Thanks in advance)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi To the point, Welcome! We never installed Aorus Storage Manager. We considered that extemporaneous software. Love Gigabyte Hardware but not a fan of Gigabyte software. Yes, We endure and put up with the Fans running full on. Sorry We could not be more helpful. The HEDT was a great Platform!

[@tothepoint551]

@@BuildOrBuy I decided to try and initiate XMP in BIOS, the profile didn't take, and my poor old RAM is still running at 2133, however it somehow had the side effect of reducing the fan speed on the AIC, I have tried multiple resets, shutdowns, and even PSU power off after shutdown, and the quiet blissful fan speed remains, I wonder if you could perform the same operation to see if you get the same result?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@tothepoint551, Supposedly, the only way to control the AIC Fan is from Aorus Storage Manager. We have XMP enabled and have not had any problems with the AIC Fan. But since We never installed Aorus Manager, Our AIC Fan also runs full blast. Hope that helps!

[@dearheart2]

It keeps confusing me, he say "put some memory in it", for me ssd are disks and not memory, where ram is memory!?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Bent Mathiesen, Memory is my shorthand for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD. Thank You for Watching!

[@thedavepe]

I Just Installed One of these card Aorus Gen4 AIC SSD 8TB, On my Asus Prime X299-A II, with i9-10980EX, 256GB RAM, and a RTX 3090 GPU. I can only see one NVME of all the four.. (the 2nd one..). Could it be defective card?

[@thedavepe]

ALSO, the cards FAN is running at full speed al the time

[@thedavepe]

O.K solved the 4 Disks Not seeing Issue. now only got Issue with the FAN of the card. it runs full speed at all times. very windy...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi David Peled 1.) You have at least a 44 Lane CPU. Good. 2.) Your M.2 Quad card is in PCIe16_2? 3.) Is the card Bifurcated? I'm looking in Your Manual. There should be a setting called Hyper Quad under the PCIe Slot configuration. I do not see anything about that. ASUS Quad card Compatibility PCIe bifurcation Hyper Quad card www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 From the ASUS link above, Your Chipset will work. Your Motherboard will work. But the card has to be Bifurcated. Bad card. Possible. One way to test, swap x16 Slots. Unless You have a 3 Slot RTX 3090 card?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@thedavepe, Correct. We can see LEDs out the back. And the 2 Dip Switches on the card control how many M.2 Quad cards can be installed in a Computer. Up to three. No Fan Switch. Full speed ahead!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@thedavepe, Bifurcation setting. Windy, yes.

[@IamY00t]

There are times when you watch a youtube video, and you just know you're smarter than the guy doing the video. This is not one of those videos.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Banzai, Welcome! I'm Honored! Thank You for Watching! We've just Premiered a Video about GPU based RAID You might find interesting for either a HEDT or a Workstation! GRAID SupremeRAID WRX80 Workstation Build Specs kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHWbf4Knlqetbc0 Stay Tuned!

[@GSXone]

Will this work on a b550 vision D?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Germaine Breakenridge, Nice to meet You! Gigabyte B550 Vision D www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-rev-10#kf PCIe Resources: PCIEX16, PCIEX8, PCIEX4. If You are using a Video card, NO. You would require a self Bifurcated card. Or, place the Video card in the x8 Slot so the M.2 card can be in the 1st and only x16 Slot. If You are not using a Video card, yes in 1st and only x16 Slot - electrically, if Your CPU supports Bifurcation according to Your Motherboard PDF. Otherwise, nice Motherboard! What CPU are You using? Hope that helps!

[@GSXone]

@@BuildOrBuy I'm currently using a ryzen 3600(placeholder until I can get my hands on a 5900x) thanks a lot for the quick reply, I just discovered this channel yesterday and really appreciate the details in your videos.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@GSXone, Thank You very much for Your Comments! When someone is working on a problem, help cannot come fast enough! Always try to reply as quickly as possible. Even though we try to keep it simple and hit the high points, Details matter! OK. Either way, You should be good to go. Slim pickens on PCIe Resources. Thanks for sharing! AMD Ryzen 5 3600 = 24 PCIe 4.0 Lanes. AMD Ryzen 9 5900X = 24 PCIe lanes. If Vendors talked about PCIe Resources, no one would Buy anything less than a HEDT. Just had to throw that out there. Anyway, knowledge is power only when shared and utilized. Getting parts is crazy ridiculous right now. Success on Your Build! We're going to be doing a heat Test comparing 2 different M.2 cards soon. Working through the mechanics. Stay tuned!

[@tomex73able]

Can i use it with an X570 mobo with amd ryzen 9 5900x cpu will it work for a raid 0 using 4x samsung 980 pro ???

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Abdullrahman Alghamdi, Welcome! By Chipset design, yes. By implementation, depends. What Motherboard are You using? Greater chance of Success with ASUS. We'll check and verify and list the exceptions.

[@tomex73able]

@@BuildOrBuy Asus rog strix X570-E i am gonna put the GPU on the other x16 PCI-E Slot which is electrically only x8 lanes so i can have the expansion card on the x16 PCI-E lanes, so will it work with x4 samsung 980 pro so i can have theoretical speed of 28GB/s sequential read and 20GB/s sequential write with RAID 0 ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@tomex73able, ASUS ROG Strix X570-E rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/ To the CPU... - 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8). Through the Chipset... - 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (supports x4). Video card here it will work. Otherwise, You would only see 2 Drives. Suggest a self Bifurcated card like the Glotrends Sky card. That works in a x8 Slot. However, PCIe 3.0. Hope that helps!

[@tomex73able]

@@BuildOrBuy so i can put the expansion card in the video card slot for 4x4x4x4 bifurcation and then put the video card in the the other x16 PCI-E slot which is an x8 lane actually but physically x16 lanes and sacrifice half the GPU bandwidth for a better storage management speed that's fine by me, thank you sir you are really an amazing and a nice person you have been really helpful thank you❤

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@tomex73able, Yes but You will only see 2 Drives unless You place the Video card in that 3rd Slot which is only x4. Bummer, I know. Not enough PCIe Resources! Thank You, Very Much! Appreciate Your Comments! Here to help! I Love my Subscribers! Success and Best Wishes!

[@kalamarades]

Is there a way to make the 8GB version (which has 4x2tb nvme) bootable with RAID 0 ? TRX40 mobo.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi SaM PaR, Yes! From the Bios - Hybrid RAID. We have another Video to help with that. Give a moment to get the link for You... ASUS Hyper M2 X16 NVMe Quad card plus four Samsung 970s - AMD NVMe RAID 0 Upgrade kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmaqXq2ZntOYqJY Hope that helps!

[@kalamarades]

@@BuildOrBuy wow thanks so much for the response, but im not reffering to hybrid raid. We wanna make the Raid 0 array with 4 disks, complete total of 8GB, AND install OS on it afterwards. I was trying but i couldnt make it :(

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@kalamarades , There are 2 types of RAID We can create with a Quad card. 1. A Hybrid RAID, which is accomplished from the Motherboard Bios. Bootable! 2. A software RAID, accomplished from the O/S. Not Bootable! 3. A true Hardware RAID requires a Hardware RAID Controller which the Quad cards are not. A Hardware RAID card has its own Bios. Bootable! The Video about the ASUS Quad card will help You understand what to do for what You want.

[@kalamarades]

@@BuildOrBuy in your video you already have a drive with os, right? But i do not have any os installed so we need a hardware raid, which i already have made, and at the bios it seems to be fine but the thing is windows wont let me do the installation. All i see is 4 drives at full capacity and each one has a small partition of 16mb too. Shouldnt it be only 1 drive at the installation window if the raid was working properly?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@kalamarades , Good question. Easy! You need the Controller Driver. Once Windows sees the Controller, then Windows will be able to see what's on the Controller! The RAID array. Go here: www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-strx4/trx40 Click in the + next to Windows Drivers. Download all three! You need the third Driver. Copy that to a USB Thumb Drive. Next time Windows gets to that point, point Windows Install to that Driver! Voila! Simple... once You know how! Enjoy! Let me know if You received Your monies' worth! Subscribe! How's that for Service!

[@BertKnispel]

Only see one drive, can you make a video.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Bert, Welcome! Context. Which Motherboard are You using? We have several Videos on this Topic. Your Motherboard Bios has to support PCIe Slot Bios Bifurcation.

[@LiamLèēé]

Does it work with Z490?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Joseph, Nice to meet You! Can You be more specific? If ASUS, to a degree. Here's ASUS Support List: www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 The most Supported on an ASUS Z490 are 3. Not 4 according to ASUS. Requirements: 1.) x16 PCIe Slot (electrically not mechanically). 2.) In Bios, Bifurcated PCIe Slot from x16 to x4x4x4x4. ASUS defines that in Bios as Hyper Quad support. Tell Us the Brand, Model and Revision, we'll take a look at the Specs for Your Motherboard. Suggest a x8 Card with Bifurcation built-in. Glotrends Sky. We have a Video on that one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80 Hope that helps!

[@LiamLèēé]

@@BuildOrBuy I want to use Aorus Z490 water force Xtreme and I want to know if that Pcie card will work with it.

[@gillboyd2956]

Hi@@LiamLèēé, Are You using Onboard Graphics? If not, that's going to be a problem. Not enough PCIe Resources. Hence a Glotrends Sky x8 card, self Bifurcated. This type of Card is made for a HEDT. If this were ASUS, they have Bios Updates for their Motherboards. Not optimal. Sorry. Hope that helps! BTW: According to Your Motherboard Block Diagram in PDF, the x16 Slot becomes x8 when using the x8 Slot. In other words, using both of those PCIe Slots, they will both be x8 Electrically. Which means Your Video card will run at x8. A stated on page 7, 1 x16 or 2 x8. Just FYI. Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Xtreme Waterforce Intel Z490 Intel Z490 Express Chipset www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z490-AORUS-XTREME-WATERFORCE-rev-1x#kf

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@LiamLèēé, Switched accounts! Here's Our Glotrends Sky Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3eaYmBro82ld80

[@LiamLèēé]

Oh no I'm using an RTX 3090

[@bencrosthwaite3542]

It has taken me 2 weeks to try and get this thing working. Thought my computer was the issue so rebuilt it twice. SO ANNOYING!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Ben, What are You trying to accomplish? We need to know Your Motherboard Model, Revision and Chipset. The question being, does Your Motherboard Chipset have the Resources to handle this M.2 AIC. In other words, do You have a HEDT with x299, x399 or TRX40 Chipset?

[@bencrosthwaite3542]

@@BuildOrBuy What do the switches do on the Gigabyte Aorus Gen4 AIC Adaptor? I believe i initially had it working in the other pci slot. I gave the GPU the pci 4 slot. I understand I bought the wrong mother board. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED! X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI Rev 1; AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor 3.79 GHz; Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4; Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming OC, 8GB (in pci 4 slot): Gigabyte Aorus Gen4 AIC Adaptor with 4x PCIe 4.0/3.0 M.2 NVMe Slots (in pci 3 slot); Crucial P1 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD (OS) 4x sabrent rocket NVME cards.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@bencrosthwaite3542, You're gaining experience! Practice makes perfect! Good to hear from You! How are things going? Troublesome? 1.) Those Switches are so You can install 3 cards in one Computer. Gigabyte has software to control the Fans. That switch setting allows their software to see each card individually. This would only work on 2 chipsets. An x299 ASUS Workstation Motherboard with PLX Chips or on a Threadripper Pro WRX80 Workstation Motherboard with 7 PCIe Sots. Otherwise, using only 1 PCIe M.2 NVMe Card, leave swiches in default position. 2.) Your Motherboard - X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI Rev 1 www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI-rev-1x#kf 3 PCIe Slots. GPU in PCIe x4 Slot. OK. Look in Your PDF Manual on Page 30. Bifurcation. The x16 Slot must be set for Bifurcation. For PCIe 4.0, that setting should be automatic. If not, manually change that to 4x4. Each NVMe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Hence a x16 Slot. A Bios update should solve that eventually. Hope that helps! Next time, let's talk chipsets!

[@Tyler-er6ob]

37:58 😐

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Tyler, My point was to show things can happen. This is a 3 voice conversation concert going on. Thank You for pointing that out. Sometimes I forget whether HDMI or SDI is on screen. Whether it's a Decimator or a Video Camera. And then the little things come into the mix like plugging in a Computer power supply cable. Issues like with SMPTE Level A or B are easy. I'm sure You can relate, even with a running checklist.

[@donjon7554]

Am I in? Testing...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Don Jon, Oops! Too much excitement!

[@donjon7554]

@@BuildOrBuy I wrote that comment just to verify if I am still rejected by KZbin or not. You're good Champ.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@donjon7554, Good to go! Good to know. I need to check the Channel messages more often. Sometimes messages get flagged for whatever reason and I have to approve them. And sometimes, I don't get notices about messages. It happens. Anyway, Good to hear from You! Thank You! I have to hibernate when Filming & Editing to get finished.

[@dearheart2]

Have anyone counted how many times he say "16 lane slot" ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Bent, Welcome! IF You had answered that question as many times as We have, You'd better understand the context of the confirmation of that affirmation. Thanks for Watching!

[@98f5]

The highpoint cards also have bifurcation because they have an enterprise raid controller built on board, along with 2gb memory. This is why so much more expensive. And the x570 sucks i built a few of them and while the zen3 is amazing chip the expansion abilities are pa pa pathetic

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi s s, Welcome! Yes, Highpoint uses the Broadcom PLX Chip. Big difference from the ASMedia PLX chips. Different class of Chips. We have a lot of Subscribers using the x570 asking questions after they bought instead of before they bought. Looks good on paper. Not so much as implemented. Thanks for Sharing!

[@bambangirawan9219]

terlalu banyak ngomong .

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Bambang Irawan, Welcome, talk too much. Got it. Interesting. There's a lot about this technology most Viewers do not understand. That, requires an explanation. Thank You for Watching!

[@applepine1048]

holy shit u can boot from it 39:10

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Apple Pine, Welcome! Behold! Wicked, right! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!

[@applepine1048]

@@BuildOrBuy i mean pcie-nvme-cards like Aorus Xtreme Gen4 AIC SSD or intel optane are the fastest drives today so why not boot windows from it instead from m.2 nvme with just pcie5 x4 or even s-ata

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@applepine1048, Right now, there are 2 (8) Drive M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 cards, Highpoint and the Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme. Intel Optane are PCIe 3.0. Whereas PCIe 4.0 now has 3rd Generation M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives with a Read of 7,300MBps and a Write of almost 7,000MBps! And Yes, PCIe 5.0 is coming soon! SATA is still here and going to stay for massive storage. However, once You go M.2 NVMe PCIe anything, no going back to anything slower if You can keep from it! Thanks For Watching!

[@pawankk2k7]

Thanks for video and benchmark of Glotrends 4 bay m.2 sky nvme card...nice useful test and information....my question is will it work in Asus Prime x570-P/CSM board or gigabyte x570 gaming x or gigabyte x570 UD all have pce16_2 second slot working from and x570 chipset x570 in pcie4.0x4 (8000mbps) lanes bandwidth mode which is equvilent to pcie3.0x8 (8000mbps). secondly as this card is gen3 means pcie3.0 card is its version 2 gen 4 pcie4.0 launched or not. I am sending you below screenshot of manual page if pcie lanes of Asus prime x570-p ... www.linkpicture.com/q/asusx570primeppcie_2.png www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-X570-P-CSM/techspec

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Pawan, Looks like Your message was either Posted twice or Duplicated. Hope both messages come through. Answers are in other message. Thanks for Asking! I'm working my way up the message tree! 42 Messages, takes time to Reply!

[@mrq332]

you talk to much