Gilbert Arenas BUILDS His Own NBA Hall Of Fame

[@mashedpotato982]

Gil is right. HOF is cheapened now. Deion called out NFL HOF too for the same reason.

[@JohnBurgundy]

Truth!

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

GIL don't know winning basketball, without Pau kobe would not win 2 finals mvp. Gil just want shot chuckers while he averages 16ppg in the playoffs

[@mashedpotato982]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p it's a team game everyone know that. pau great but not hof great.

[@cookiemonster64]

NBA is worst they just Let everyone in there

[@thedangerwich5476]

Define why it’s cheapened. It’s basically an international multi level hof. It’s criteria are just different, doesn’t mean it’s cheap

[@jayout05]

I like what Gil said . Gil told you he doesn't, he doesn't have enough monster years . Other guys are not able to stand when you take away titles

[@MrAaronBrown1]

Taking away titles is crazy. Sports are measured by wins and losses. Who cares how many points you scored if you lost.

[@anthonypierre2094]

​@MrAaronBrown1 it's not completely crazy if you just rode the bench or was the 9th option but just in the right places at the right time

[@Idk22221]

Gil is such a salty fucking clown… first of all I’m taking Gasol, Manu, Ginobili, and Draymond Green over Gil! Dray is a 4x All Star, 2x All NBA, 8x All Defensive Team, 1x DPOTY, 1 x Steal champ , 4x champ. Gasol is a 6x All Star, 4x All NBA, ROTY, and many oversea awards! Manu is 2x All Star, 2x All NBA, 1x 6MOTY, 4x NBA champ with many oversea awards…. GIL YOURE A SALTY FUCKEN CLOWN

[@johnnybraxton5539]

The biggest tragedy in sports is the NFL not putting Terrell Owens 1st ballot

[@Vichinsky-ox8px]

@Johnnybraxton5539 They blame his attitude but Randy Moss quit on every team he played on.

[@marcust6479]

Right

[@delmarfrazier2727]

He’s in do it matters! What about the legends that’s still waiting!

[@worldwiderell1812]

Barry bonds is a bigger travesty imo... but you're absolutely correct on TO

[@ImaniGroce-lm6by]

I'd put him in for giving me a ride home from The BeeHive in San Jo B4 his 1st big contract.

[@Andrew_Bogus]

Pau Gasol 2× NBA champion (2009, 2010) 6× NBA All-Star (2006, 2009-2011, 2015, 2016) 2× All-NBA Second Team (2011, 2015) 2× All-NBA Third Team (2009, 2010) NBA Rookie of the Year (2002) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2002) No. 16 retired by Los Angeles Lakers All-EuroLeague Second Team (2001) 3× Liga ACB champion (1999, 2001, 2021) Spanish King's Cup winner (2001) Spanish King's Cup MVP (2001) ACB Finals MVP (2001) 2× FIBA Europe Player of the Year (2008, 2009) 2× Mister Europa Player of the Year (2004, 2009) 4× Euroscar Player of the Year (2008-2010, 2015) FIBA World Cup MVP (2006) FIBA World Cup Top Scorer (2014) 2× FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2009, 2015) 3× FIBA EuroBasket Top Scorer (2003, 2009, 2015) FIBA EuroBasket Dream Team (2020)

[@ApasTalaz]

that's the reason i'm thinking Gil is just mad he ain't innit. Representation of the sport matters, and he represented the sport with a pistol, literally. Pau Gasol is a legend and very deservingly is in the naismith hof. edit: by saying that I meant that Gil might've made it as well because individually he's a great player. He had his off the court issues though which HOFers usually are not recognized for. His career then was cut short by injuries, which you could speculate were caused by his liking of the lavish lifestyle and not having to cooldown properly after heavy workouts or games, he prefered the night life is the impression I got as an amateur viewer of the game.

[@stoicesports8360]

Yup, Gil doesn't get it, and tries to bring down players with better careers than him. Sorry Gil, draymond is a better college player, nba player, and future coaching staffer than you could hope to be...

[@brettrobbins2707]

No body on this planet, even his kids his wife everyone would pick Pau on a team over Gilbert

[@kylecharley6859]

Still not enough! In my Peter Griffin voice lol

[@edwardnigma4087]

@@ApasTalazhow can you say Gil is mad he’s not in it, in this video they asked him should you be in and he confidently said no!

[@jallison5457]

Pau Gasol is a Goat. Those guys are tripping. He is one of four players in NBA history with 20,000 points, 11,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,500 blocks. The other Three players that have accomplished that are Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar , they been playing basketball 77 years and only four men have accomplished this. Put some respect on Pau”s name.

[@KingDavidTBE]

Granted but when you think all time power forwards you don't think Pau Lol

[@ERoss338]

@@KingDavidTBEbut you should

[@jallison5457]

@@KingDavidTBE He’s certainly top ten, and just because you don’t think about him doesn’t mean he not that guy. Those stats speak volumes

[@justingrant4860]

A goat? Goat is singular bro yall just throw that word around

[@jallison5457]

@@justingrant4860 Like I said if you are one of four people in the history of the nba to do something you are a goat

[@cainslawyer8058]

Pau is arguably the FIBA goat. He could be in the hall of fame without playing a single NBA game

[@McFrappin]

That's a ridiculous take. Completely off topic.

[@madizm05]

How is that ??? We're taking about NBA

[@carlosfernandez9023]

​@@madizm05no, Hall of Fame is about basketball.

[@L4-295]

​@@madizm05no we're not

[@michaelroelant7134]

One of the best and real shows,keep it up gil and company!greetings from belgium

[@lbarge85]

It's the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame. Not the professional basketball hall of fame. It's based on your contributions to the game overall.

[@thedangerwich5476]

I’m starting to think people ignore this point on purpose

[@recoil53]

@@thedangerwich5476 It was even brought up in the beginning of the video by the guy on the laptop, then they ignored it. It would have made for a more interesting discussion. Do Bird and Magic rank even higher since their rivalry really brought interest to the NBA? Dirk gets more importance because he legitimized foreign players?

[@abemickeygaming7742]

That's the problem...the hall of fame should be the very best of the best ...my bros and I have been saying this for at least 5 years ...no participation trophies needed...only the best of the best

[@thedon2161]

Because when people think hall of fame they only think about what you did in NBA like it should be. NBA should definitely have their own HOF

[@lbarge85]

@@thedon2161 I agree

[@92kev]

Pau is definitely a HOF foh

[@dusk6159]

These dudes dared to even mention Marbury in an HOF conversation too, on top of saying that.

[@ishay777777777]

Nah

[@92kev]

yes@@ishay777777777

[@Bigedub101]

Exactly when I hear people say Pau not HOF... I don't care what they say

[@tonyochiha9798]

The Naismith basketball HOF is about the story of basketball across the many levels. The NBA needs to have a specifically NBA Hall of Fame where it's only about NBA career achievements and they need to make it like the baseball HOF where it's a tough voting process for a player to get in.

[@Itsnowthetime]

The top 75 is the NBA’s version of the Hall of Fame

[@anthonypierre2094]

​@ericb3434 too bad they got that wrong too 😂

[@Itsnowthetime]

@@anthonypierre2094 exactly ‼️

[@significantnobody823]

Pau is definitely Gold. Look at how many medals he won and his body of work overseas

[@thedon2161]

They aren’t thinking oh his accomplishments outside the nba. It should definitely be separate because without FIBA he wouldn’t make it

[@sidneyday8927]

@@thedon2161 he would make off his nba accomplishments as well. 18ppg 10rebs. 2x titles, 6 all stars, like 5 all nba teams, rookie of the year, all rookie team. That’s a hall of fame player. The titles put him over the top. Gilbert arenas be talking like he had more that’s 3 great years on a average team. Gil literally had 3 great years that’s it. But he be talking like he a all time great.

[@thedon2161]

@@sidneyday8927 that man literally said he didn’t have enough

[@skillethead15]

Yea he dominated a bunch of Spaniards. But in the best basketball league in the world, he’s not hall of fame caliber. There needs to be a separate NBA HoF because euro league, college and asian leagues should not be mixed in with the NBA greats. They aren’t on the same level.

[@c.n.i7105]

@@skillethead15 There's two rings, one RoY, 20000 points, 3500 assists, 11000 rebounds, 6 All-star, 2 Second All-NBA Team selections, 2 instances of him taking an absolutely trash team to the playoffs and one retired jersey that say nuh uh.

[@douglasjohnson7880]

Also what about the defensive players with all defensive teams and all? Should that matter in the HOF qualifiers?

[@davidchandler6885]

U think if MJ Bron Kobe all great althetic guy just concerned on defense no offensive what they would do...Rodman shouldn't be in there,

[@Joshua-qc1li]

@@davidchandler6885Rodman and Draymond should be in there. You look at offense as though it is the only thing that wins games. Rodman was a elite defender post and perimeter and is the one of the greatest rebounder of all time. Along with being a good passer

[@nmbmemphisbeast3690]

​@@davidchandler6885rodman Draymond Dwight Ben Wallace go in ez

[@a-a-rondavis9438]

​​@@davidchandler6885defense is 50% of the game. People get in for scoring (A.I.), which is only 20% of the game.

[@ADG.Est.1988]

Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace are Hall Of Fame defensive Players

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Gil Cappin again Tony Parker has one of the highest in the paint percentage for point guard position in league history.

[@bryanttisdale2446]

Alot players judge on if I was playing one on one. Instead of team game! You can't have 5 guys trying to score 30 , but not playing defense like gil. Different jobs for guys on the court.

[@blackjesus6433]

It's not good enough for the HOF.

[@bryanttisdale2446]

@blackjesus6433 There are alot more Gilbert arenas, Nick van Exel, Vin Baker, Tim Thomas, J.R. Rider, guys who can score play 1 on 1 . Than Scottie Pippen, Draymond, Robert Horry, Dennis Rodman. Guys who can do the tough jobs like Defense, Rebounds, sacrifice (but score when called on) . Alot fewer of on than the other. Teams want and need a Brook Lopez just as much as a star scorer.

[@brainmt]

Gasol is easily a hall of fame player and deserves it. Just for what he did for Spain. Add in his incredible NBA run on top of it. Duh

[@Trax777]

How can they sit there and say Pau Gasol is a selection, also career accolades matter not just NBA stats. He was Spains number one option for atleast half a decade, won olympic gold medals, 3 time Euro League scoring champion. He was also a double double machine for the Lakers. HOF imo definitely.

[@antione]

You view things as a fan, NBA guys view things as competitors. The NBA being the highest form of competition his stats and accolades pale in comparison to other NBA greats. Sure he’s had international success, but what they are saying is being good in secondary leagues doesn’t mean shit if you couldn’t do it against the best players in the world (NBA) so he should be in the “green HOF” and not with the certified gold members. It’s not a dig it’s just the truth, nowhere in reality does Pau belong in the same conversation with guys like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Russell, Chamberlain, Robertson, Olajuwon, etc.

[@whypascal]

@@antionewdym he couldn’t do it in the nba lmao he was a walking 18 and 10 as the second option for a team that won 2 straight championships yall acting like he was just there doing cardio lmao

[@antione]

@@whypascal I know using comprehension is a hard thing to do, so I’ll type slower. We all know he was averaging 18 points in the NBA. That’s cool, but is that HOF worthy? If you say yes, that’s great. Now what Gilbert is saying there should be two different wings for guys who average 18 and guys like MJ. Kobe, etc. Also - “couldn’t do it in the nba” he couldn’t do what he was doing in the Spanish & euro leagues in the NBA otherwise he’d be a multiple time MVP. This is where reading comprehension comes into play. Him dominating in secondarily leagues did not translate to the NBA, he was an above average player during his tenure in the NBA. If he were judged alone for what he did in the NBA he would not have made it, this is the genesis of this entire video.

[@nakathegreat9548]

It's not all about stats!! This man showing what his nba career was about, STATS!!!

[@King_Mac80]

Gil had some good points but as usual he also said some outlandish shit, if you were a elite defender for a long time you should also be in the HOF. Players like Dennis Rodman and Draymond absolutely should be in.

[@recoil53]

Yes, but Gil never played D. He'd never admit that was enough. Absolutely, shut down defenders or great defenders who QB great defenses while having big contributions elsewhere should be in. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder. Draymond is an offensive passing hub, QBs the defense, and makes their switching work while still being a help defender. OTOH a guy like Jrue Holiday, who can shut down a player but is an iffy passer and at best was a number two option on offense shouldn't be in.

[@jimmoore8951]

Draymond will get in for his podcast

[@kaptainkool408]

Draymond was the #1 man on defense. He dont recognise the vitality of a great defender

[@King_Mac80]

@@pureagape nah this part I can't get on board with sorry, role players shouldn't be in the HOF, and elite defenders aren't role players before people start doing mental gymnastics to try and call guys like Rodman and Draymond role players. There's no reason for guys like Robert Horry or Steve Kerr (speaking strictly about him as a player) to be in the HOF

[@pureagape]

@@King_Mac80 HOF committee might disagree. If so, maybe you and Gil can start your own Hall of Stat Stuffers.

[@indiefilmmillennial8338]

Gil is right, but he’s wrong for diminishing Big Shot Bob’s seven chips. I really do suspect Gil downplays titles because he never won in high school, college and the pros. And Gil couldn’t make the Olympic squad. Basketball is a team sport. Stats matter, and so does winning.

[@Vichinsky-ox8px]

Gil earned the right to play for t Team USA

[@back2back379]

He's not a winner. He can volume score, that's pretty much it. Robert Horry was a very high IQ player who knew where he needed to be to get the crucial rebounds, knew where and when to set a screen for someone, knew where and how to position himself defensively at all times, and of course was one of the most clutch players in NBA history.

[@jmoneyforlife3]

@@back2back379 rob horry was in right place at right time

[@jmoneyforlife3]

@@back2back379 nothing seperates him from other hard working role players

[@back2back379]

@@jmoneyforlife3 sounds like something coming from someone who had the opportunities, was in the right places at the right times, but just couldn't take advantage. You can be in the right place at the right time and still fail and come up short.

[@zoradelaney9412]

I agree with Gil. The Hall of Fame should be the Hall of the Greatest, and not just the Hall of the Very Good......

[@DynamicUnreal]

“If I take your rings away” - Reason Draymond Green has rings is because the sum of his parts are more impactful to winning than Harden’s 30 PPG. The more I hear Gilbert Arenas speak, the more I understand why he never won anything. Selfish players are obsessed with what their stats look like, great historical players do what’s necessary to win.

[@hellothankyougoodbye6812]

So everything matters except rings? «You gotta take everything into account, except rings» - gil Makes sense in a team sport😂😂

[@mustafahudson4718]

Yo real talk this podcast is number one in sports I don’t even watch ESPN no more between this show and camron and mase show they keep it 100 percent real authentic hands down !!!!!salute to all the real ones

[@Tiss75014]

The disrespect for Tony Parker is crazy how many European players in the NBA have this resume: 4× NBA champion (2003, 2005, 2007, 2014) NBA Finals MVP (2007) 6× NBA All-Star(2006, 2007, 2009, 2012-2014) 3× All-NBA Second Team (2012-2014) All-NBA Third Team (2009) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2002) No. 9 retired by San Antonio Spurs FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2013) 2× FIBA EuroBasket Top Scorer (2011, 2013) 2× FIBA Europe Player of the Year (2013, 2014) 2× Euroscar Award (2007, 2013) 2× L'Équipe Champion of Champions (2003, 2013) LNB All-Star (2001) LNB Pro A Most Improved Player (2001) Pro A Best Young Player (2001)

[@grantprice9768]

Gil just tore down his whole argument saying Marburgy in for sure dear lord

[@jamaalsjourney]

He won 5 chips in china

[@johnathanjamesdavis5842]

Gil said what everyone been thinking lately, like what is the criteria...they just giving participation spots in the HOF now 🤣

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

GIL says marbury should be in the hall of fame lol what? HE WANT non winners shot chuckers like him to get in. Ignore playoffs and winning basketball basically.

[@TheNyion912]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2pHorry shouldn’t be in!

[@robert-h2x]

no. only morons think gil is right

[@cookiemonster64]

NBA just let anybody in the hall of Fame lol

[@12savage68]

​​@@user-gc1wj8tt2pif vlade divac is in how isn't marbury in?

[@abhisheksatkar5886]

I was waiting for the ep to drop 🎉

[@austinlink68]

I actually like this take on the gold jackets honestly

[@thaipham2276]

Gil is absolutely right on this. 💯

[@Chris-ti3gq]

No this is the worst most biased take ever. He wants the rules to change to revolve around his success in a team sport. This isn’t tennis or golf it’s basketball

[@LeroyJohnson-fi7xy]

@@Chris-ti3gqthank you

[@tayburke9804]

No he's not bc pau is def hof

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

GIL thinks marbury should be in the hall of fame lmaoo what

[@tayburke9804]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p that's not what he said

[@certifiedchaos4643]

Halll of fame criteria You would just need a tfew of this items to check off based on your position. Pts scored 15k higher Assist 7k or higher (perimeter player) Rebounds 9k or higher (for c or Pf) All star selections 5 or more All nba teams 4 or more All nba defensive selections Mvps Mvp standing (top 5 finalist) Finals mvp Scoring titles Dpoy Gold medals Playoff performances Rings We’re amongst the elite players in your playing era. If a stranger saw your numbers would they say oh damn he could play. Or if he was a defender does he have the rebounds the steals blocks all nba defensive selections dpoy etc

[@SolaceMcfly]

This makes too much sense for them to implement it

[@certifiedchaos4643]

@@SolaceMcfly keep it simple and straight forward baseball has the criteria 400 homer runs you get in 800 rbi u get in 500 stolen bases 2500 hits All star appearances Batting titles Golden gloves All pro team

[@robert-h2x]

plus add more spots. so it doesnt bottle neck first ballot second ballot

[@mical2great]

Most of that shit is MEDIA awards tho😂😂😂 thats why i hate mvp award cause its voted on by people like Stephen A who has knowledge but NEVER played

[@certifiedchaos4643]

@@mical2great I hear ya 🤣🤣but if you have mvp you were the best in the game that year. It’s valid tho u got get some awards or leave some impact

[@godtiergr8ness84]

The hall of fame should for players that were absolute game changers!!!!!

[@James-nt4uc]

Gil had me up until he said Pau didn’t deserve it l. He had a career in FIBA and the NBA which both separately could have landed him in the HOF.

[@IamYudzie]

I don’t agree 100% but i can see his POV. Excellent criteria

[@moneytrails1812]

Draymond is a hall of famer. Put him on any team and he’s averaging 20, 10, 5

[@KingL1500]

What about electing an all time starting 5, using the players in the hall of fame, by position, every two or fours years?

[@Blacklist324]

Marques Johnson is one of my all time favorites. He was a big time player.

[@lyonhartboxing]

Lets just forget about Pau Gasol's game 7. No shade to kobe but he was bricking for the most part of that game . Pau kept the LAKERS in that game .

[@justaw2982]

The best solution is to add a NBA Hall of Fame that is solely based on NBA accolades and statistics because the Naismith Hall of Fame is based on all pro levels of basketball.

[@dboitg3406]

Gil be talking that shit I feel him💯💪🏿

[@kig4794]

Trippin, PAU GAOSL IS GOLD

[@diamantecarter8625]

Even tho Manu only had 2 all star appearances there’s context to why he didn’t have more… he was put on the bench to be a sixth man to give spurs more of a scoring boost 🤷🏽‍♂️Manu was a dog on the court even with his stats not popping out,that was for the betterment of the team…that’s a Hof type career in my eyes cause Manu could’ve easily pouted with the spurs and went to another team and stat padded and got more accolades on his resume🤷🏽‍♂️ he sss that good

[@DynamicUnreal]

He was an absolute beast and a superstar on any other team, but he accepted his role in order to become a 4 time NBA champion. That’s what Gil doesn’t understand, some players give up the individual accolades in order to achieve team success.

[@s.g.e5523]

i think what gil is talking about is an NBA hall of fame. i think players should get an nba rating like gold/sliver/bronze kinda like 2k packs right after they retire, then a league of elite players call it the nba hall of fame keep it tight sub 20 dudes. because the current hall of fame is everything basketball, u could be a coach and get in so...

[@jonpoon3896]

I think some guys got in first ballot just because they needed enough people that year. In 2020, when it was KG, Tim Duncan and Kobe, I dunno if Grant Hill and T Mac make it if they were eligible that same year

[@robert-h2x]

@user-ky8nd2rz4f yes and remvoe that first ballot sh..... if they in they in

[@Munchkkinz]

the pau gasol disrespect is crazy, people really forgot

[@jabrielhall]

It’s not everything but team success should factor in. Draymond makes it on his 8 nba all defense teams, defensive player of the year (and 3 runner-ups) and 2x all nba plus his impact on his teams success

[@randomthingswithbigsib8965]

He’s also a 4 time nba champion and a Olympic gold medalist. Gil is to offensive minded to see the true value of draymond green

[@marcusking4737]

I agree with Gil. As great as the potential T-Mac had but his injuries derailed his career's success. I didn't understand how he was a "first ballot" with minimal career stats, not saying he shouldn't have gotten in but damn....."FIRST BALLOT". IDK.

[@darrencare2427]

Pau was a six-time NBA All-Star and a four-time All-NBA team selection, twice on the second team and twice on the third team. Gasol won two NBA championships, both with the Los Angeles Lakers back-to-back in 2009 and 2010. He was the NBA Rookie of the Year in 2002 with the Memphis Grizzlies, being the first non-American player to have won that award.

[@blackjesus6433]

That's not HOF worthy. 🙏🏾

[@HighwayMerc]

Was never the best player on his team

[@g.o.a.tsports2880]

@@blackjesus6433 He’s 1 of 30 players with +20k Points & +10K Rebounds.

[@najachero1384]

​​@@HighwayMercHow old are you? Gasol was the Grizzlies best Player from the day he was drafted by them. Sure they sucked at first but then he got them to the playoffs regurlarly.

[@Kover_Boy]

Pau Gasol had a HOF career just based solely on his International career. It's the Basketball HOF not the NBA HOF.

[@imon361]

I agree 100% with GA on this.

[@danielbaity8571]

I'm with Gil, case in point. Len Bias. That man went against Jordan and company in college and did his thing. Didn't play in the NBA. It's an extreme example but his college career projected well in the NBA but we will never know. Any player needs to be measured against the best at their position, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Jordan. Measure up to those guys. Do well and your in. I'm a Celtics fan so there are so few numbers players can have because too many guys are in the Celtics Hall. The HOF is becoming the same thing. WMBA HOF starts with Cooper, then my favorite player Swoops.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

Pau could have easily been gold if he got a chance to have his own team

[@vaudou_]

He did have his own team in Memphis

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@vaudou_ Yeah but right as he got to a point of putting up I guess the magic numbers of 20 plus points per game, he was traded to the Lakers, he more than likely wasnt going to be averaging 20 plus points per game on that particular team, it just wasnt going to happen, so I dont agree about Pau.

[@pradayou5405]

​@@gangstagummybear3432Pau would've been another Vucevic if he didn't get traded to the lakers. Unfortunately for Vucevic, Demar or Zach can't elevate his game the way Kobe did for Pau.

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Pau was a monster! KG couldn’t stop him in the finals

[@ghjk75]

Pau literally almost lead Spain to beat the greatest team ever assembled

[@thecourier6067]

I’d rather have Draymond Green than Gilbert Arenas on my team. Peak Draymond was an elite playmaker and defender who did all the dirty work. I trust draymond to make the plays that count to win (mostly) , I trust Arenas to get his stats. Plus can you imagine Arenas playing second fiddle to a better costar? His ceiling wasn’t high enough to win a chip as top dog, and I don’t see him conceding shots for the sake of the team.

[@jeremyrichmond82]

Gil makes some good points but what he is not factoring in is being a winner and impact on winning something he just don't understand. Skills and stats only tell part of the story.

[@JordanLamont-hg6xq]

That’s Because Gil Never Won Shit😂..

[@amazing2five274]

I mean a hall of gamer shouldn’t be roll players that play ok or even good though. Like what’s the value of the hall of fameaccolade if everyone could receive it. I believe there should be regular accolades then there’s that best of the best one which is a hall of famer!

[@amazing2five274]

Hall of famer

[@jeremyrichmond82]

@@amazing2five274 There are no role players in the Hall. Trust and believe a lot of thought has gone into every selection. Name someone who you feel doesn't deserve to be there?

[@DynamicUnreal]

@@amazing2five274Draymond Green isn’t a role player. He’s a significantly above average passer for his position and he’s one of the greatest defensive players to ever live. Knowing how to win games > empty stats.

[@EricK-ir8np]

He’s WRONG!! Dennis Rodman DESERVES TO BE IN HALL OF FAME!! Everyone doesn’t have the same job!! Some guys are strictly defense , and rebounds!! How does he not know that??? 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@universoullifebalance]

Marcus Johnson is the most criminally snubbed HOF in All sports! Mike had HIM on his wall cuz he was HIM! GO BUCKS!!

[@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShow]

.....is it? Is it really?

[@universoullifebalance]

@@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShow if you know basketball and seen Marcus Johnson you would know absolutely it is

[@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShow]

@@universoullifebalance He was before my time, but I can compare his numbers to people of my era who also either aren't making it or have a possibility of being left off due to the politics and say other players are more deserving Example: Marquez has career avg of 20/7/3, Marbury has career avg of 19/8/3. Keep in mind OG MJ had the privilege of playing under Don Nelson who was so ahead of his time as far as offense goes.

[@universoullifebalance]

@@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShow both Marbury and Marcus Johnson belong over a lot of these mediocre players who are in Starbury a sure Hall of Famer to me

[@albertoo428]

Look all the medals Pau Gasol got in FIBA olympics and tournaments

[@o-g-ob4399]

Gilbert Arenas is one of the best guards ever to do it, and it's a shame that his career wasn't long enough to get him in the HOF. So many players in the HOF have no business in the HOF.

[@Maxjuliann]

His career was long enough it’s just that he wasn’t at his absolute best long enough and there was no way they would let him make the Hall after what happened w the guns

[@NSmith-hh1ys]

​@@Maxjuliannexactly right

[@scooterduncan3262]

He had a good 3 to 4 years nowhere near one of the best to do it hes salty is all he is

[@killaman227]

@@Maxjuliannsukuna a fraud bro get it together

[@elzrobinson3307]

No hes not lol

[@sundalo1217]

You should check Pau Gasol international career. He is a HoFer

[@Bigedub101]

Exactly these dudes just don't feel like paying attention

[@kevinintheoc]

Marques Johnson: 1) one of the best HS players out of L.A. 2) College POY (Wooden Award - UCLA National Champion 3) multi time NBA all star and 3x 1st or 2nd team All NBA. 4) Was a top player during Doc, Kareem, Magic, Bird NBA. How in the HELL is he not in the HOF???

[@StillWatersJay]

Who?

[@JG-xt6eu]

@@StillWatersJayExactly lol

[@TBtheking405216]

Cause he brought a knife to the court when Sidney and Billy hustled him😂😂😂

[@robert-h2x]

they know him more as an announcer

[@Rafa_AISA]

You serious bruh?

[@chrishenderson801]

Gil I definitely agree with your take on about being a Hall Of Famer.

[@sunandwind2983]

The amount of clutch shots Robert Horry hit. Dude was cold with it. Hitting big shots to save a series is different than averaging 25 in the regular season. A ton of bums can ave 25 in the regular season. Only a few men on earth can hit game winners with one billion people watching the game. Gil never did that!

[@DreamFactories]

Anyone averaging 25 ppg is not a “bum.”

[@cruzanstx6661]

That don’t make you a HOF tho

[@eviltwin4760]

You’re not a bum if you’re averaging 25 bro…Even if it’s on a bad team I wouldn’t call that player top tier but I definitely wouldn’t call them a bum.

[@eviltwin4760]

I agree tho Big Shot was a baller.

[@robert-h2x]

@@cruzanstx6661 yes it does

[@MICjordanTPR]

I liked Bill Simmons' solution to the HOF: The Pyramid. It allows players like Draymond who WERE dominant in a certain way to get in but also accounts for the fact that there are levels to this ish

[@velcapitan]

Similar to what Gilbert said. Green jacket Gold jacket

[@princellasmith7562]

What's not being said here is that it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. So, they are considering some people's college careers as well.

[@JimDee885]

They did state it early in the video

[@Thugofchoc]

It's literally one of the first things they said

[@oscarubierna4500]

The college careers and the High school I think shouldn't be considered but the international competition is a other topic of discussion

[@Traylormade_Chief]

I like that they use all of ur basketball career from HS to NBA retirement. That's 🔥 to me

[@yokoblitt2157]

I’m crying after Gil kept saying Select 😂😂

[@christianpaulacas544]

Right Gil!! that's why Drose for me is a HOF hell monster in his bulls career

[@TrahNO2]

Gil's perspective is so reflective of how he played. He only values the individual success, and offensive stats, and not teams success and all around accomplishments.

[@Exhibit_C_me]

He talking about the HOF which all of that should be what the criteria should be..

[@skproductions8495]

he does make a valid point. the hall of fame is an individual accolade but people want to bring up team accomplishments to get players in that weren’t as great…

[@WhatThaFlocka]

It's the HALL OF FAME. If the NBA treated it like the NFL does 80% of these guys wouldn't be in it. We're talking the most legendary basketball players of all time. People want to toss in good players just because. It's the HOF not the hall of participation

[@TrahNO2]

Then half the history of basketball wouldn't be included if we're talking a group for only "monsters". And just because an NBA player wasn't the first option doesn't mean he was just participating. Ben Wallace is a good example of how you can be extremely valuable without putting up gawdy numbers and scoring the ball. Dennis Rodman, Rajon Rondo, and even Draymond today. Guys that have individual and team accolades based off their play, regardless of playstyle. Don't have to be a shot chucker to be a HOFer wth

[@Exhibit_C_me]

@@TrahNO2 exactly why they need Honerable Mentions HOF.

[@trentonphillips1732]

Hall Of Fame is for those who change the game and the culture. The Fab Five should be in the Hall Of Fame. They literally changed the game and culture.

[@peopleschamp1944]

College hall of fame

[@robert-h2x]

none of the fab 5 should get in

[@jamaalsjourney]

You should be fired like Jalen rose

[@Mav0011]

@@peopleschamp1944it’s the basketball hall of fame…

[@joshualevi3652]

Vince is non negotiable. Vince Carter is first ballot and with the names he listed, he's the head liner.

[@BBall-gz1wr]

They changed the NBA HOF to the Basketball HOF because they knew it was going to be a challenge to get Bill Walton into the HOF. So they changed the rules and criteria to get into the HOF. Bill Walton definitely was a HOF'er when you look at his High School, College career. If you ONLY look at his NBA careers AIN'T NO WAY!!!! So they changed the rules at that time...

[@antoni.guzman]

Walton won mvp and finals he was a hofer regardless

[@BBall-gz1wr]

​@@antoni.guzman - Very poor argument. So are you saying everybody who wins a MVP and Finals MVP should be in the HOF?!?!?! Bill Walton had 2 1/2 SOLID seasons. No doubt he was awesome those seasons. His career stats 6,215 points, 4,923 rebounds, 1,590 assist and to his credit played good defense. Now look at those stats against other HOFers... Now I would say, one of these things DON'T BELONG HERE... But if we include his College Career at UCLA he's definitely a HOF... Take away college NO WAY!!!!

[@turk3sh]

@@BBall-gz1wrthat's why there's a NCAA HOF LOL

[@BBall-gz1wr]

@@turk3sh LOL!!!! Exactly!!!!!!

[@docioraw21]

How a regular season and finals MVP not hof cut the bs

[@theblackcyde2506]

Gilbert was right 100% we are talking about the best to EVER touch the ball

[@Byshop14]

Kevin Johnson needs to be in the Hall of Fame

[@g.o.a.tsports2880]

He does but off the court politics has prevented him. Similar to Tim Hardaway

[@dusk6159]

KJ getting in would be a perfect sketchy HOF example.

[@Byshop14]

@@g.o.a.tsports2880 what did he do to be considered sketchy

[@pstick8]

I’m with GILL 100% !!!

[@adgee5401]

Basketball is also a game played on the defensive side of the court. Draymond is as important defensively as Steph is offensively.

[@bluefiss2966]

😂

[@mibbzx1493]

Man hell naw draymond is not even on a dennis rodman level yet, he did what draymond does but better on every level and draymond stats as a career is 10 ppg which isnt gold level

[@medwards285]

There are so many ways to contribute other than stats. Defense, keeping the others involved for the long hall, big plays when the pressure is on a they really count. If you are a key contributor to multiple championship teams, you are a hall of famer. Draymon, Manu, Rodman. Sometimes great scorers don’t make the team great. Gilbert, James Harden, Carmelo,

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

​@@mibbzx1493thats cause you dont know basketball and only understand scoring. THEY DON'T WIN 2015 without him and 2018 they almost lost to the rockets without him harden scores more in the paint

[@KDubb-ws9zc]

I agree the there needs to be an NBA only hall of fame like for NFL it’s called the pro football hall of fame

[@ronduece9066]

I COMPLETELY agree with Gil. (I can't believe i just typed that)

[@rmelo2382]

you’re wrong (partially)

[@bluesafari5405]

😂😂😂

[@Bigedub101]

Especially Pau Gold cause he got both NBA and Euro

[@johnsalchak7495]

Kevin Johnson,Shawn Kemp,Amare Stoudemire,&Marques Johnson.

[@ssj-rose4572]

Noah hof ?

[@matchesmalone2625]

Top 5 player in the league in 2014 Defensive player of the year All star team All defensive team That year he was top 5 in mvp voting in 2014 vaults him a little Bit, but I don’t think it’s enough to make the hall

[@delmarfrazier2727]

And he played like 30 years! I’m sick of these broke down body’s! Who can’t play 5 years in the league

[@miquelcanosasanteularia1678]

Pau Gasol could get in the hall of fame just with his fiba games

[@gangstagummybear3432]

I lowkey think Peja can get in, or should, dude was putting up crazy numbers, 4 times 20 ppg or higher, was a monster 3 point shooter, 3 times all star, and got a championship.

[@mobformoney6850]

Negative

[@sardeegaming]

​@@mobformoney6850nahh it's a basketball hall of fame not the NBA Hall of fame he could definitely make it. But there really should be 2 Hall of fames at this point

[@dusk6159]

I've never seen a more fraudolent performer than Peja Stojakovic

[@solomontackie923]

Dope idea wit the Gold jacket members and Green jacket members

[@lordbeerus6182]

Right tracy mcgrady and grant hill shouldn't be in it yao too

[@frankmathews]

I disagree with tmac being in

[@matchesmalone2625]

Tmac was a top4-5 player for a 5 year stretch. He’s a first ballot hall of famer

[@delmarfrazier2727]

@@frankmathewsno I disagree with Grant Hill after his injury he had a great second career cap 🧢

[@Vichinsky-ox8px]

​@@frankmathews I disagree with Grant Hill.

[@frayoungblood5029]

@@matchesmalone26255 years not long enough. But still my all-time favorite

[@raysavestheworld]

Josiah's logic: If Gil stood healthy, he'd be first ballot. If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike. Unironically trying to argue for HYPOTHETICAL exceptions to careers derailed by injuries is stupid. Wish there was a nicer way to say it. I hope you were playing devil's advocate. Makes no sense analytically. It's just muddying the waters and creating static for no reason. Coulda shoulda woulda.

[@eddietalley534]

I do agree there should be levels to the hall of fame. Guys like Kobe and LeBron should not be in the same conversation with the bottom tier hall of famers

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

Facts

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

Vlade made it

[@karelsantimi7531]

HOF should consider Rings Individual Accolades Records Broken or Made Impact Consistency I think meeting those criteria’s should do it.

[@ahmorgan]

I agree with Gil on this. The goat and Robert Horry in the same HoF??? That doesn't make sense.

[@FuVkemmmm]

Pau career was better then all you guys tho 😭😭

[@leemccloud8768]

Nice analogies, Gil. Gold and regular

[@blackjesus6433]

The key word is fame, so a player should have a house hold name. The name on the back of the jersey should hold as much weight as the name on front of the jersey. 🙏🏾

[@demetriusjones6693]

This is why I have always believed to be a NBA Hall of Fame, separate from the Naismith basketball Hof

[@timhodges3754]

Marques Johnson should be in the HOF. Gilbert is wrong about Draymond Green. Take him off any of the GS championship teams and they don’t win. His impact is bigger than his stats unlike Horry who just hit big, timely shots.

[@cutamuta]

I understand about robert horry then again he has 7 chips being one of the greatest clutch shooters in NBA history that cant be ignored

[@ohajreese6592]

So make him an honerable mention 😂 He wasn’t the #1 or #2 option .. Hall of fame is for the best of the best

[@AntGuy213]

Deion Sanders said it best, should be a vip section in the HOF. Just like in a club you can get in, and other people sit behind the rope…def should be an upper level

[@Blacklist324]

I usually don't agree with Gil's takes but he's right about The Hof being an individual honor.

[@memoirsofalegend5472]

Hey Gil, Dray is a certified hall of famer bro.

[@mjacksonjones]

100% agree with GIl!

[@almightyone2198]

I appreciate Gil unbiased take on him not being a hall of famer…. I believe 2 solid more years excluding the injuries would of done it

[@robert-h2x]

nope

[@krazysmooth4]

IMO you need at least 10 years of consistency to be considered one of the greats

[@mxhughes]

Hell no dude team wasn't winning on a high level or even seriously contending in the playoffs outside of 06.Gilbert was a empty stats guy

[@lerajdrallop7024]

Trippin, gasol is def a hall of farmer…what!?

[@williambreeze2659]

Good clip guys!

[@quintinbowman7993]

I agree, if you’re letting everyone in then it’s loses its prestige.

[@stanleycantave8077]

I agree, there’s no reason Jaochim Noah should be in the same club as MJ, Lebron, Larry Bird

[@alkebulanlion6198]

Gil is right it’s the best 1 options then a really great 2 wade and dirk and pop that’s it’s Tony and pau for sure selection