Gilboa Snake: Is the Double-AR Really so Dumb?

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The Gilboa Snake is an Israeli rifle (from the same designer behind the Cornershot) that essentially combines two standard ARs into a single unit. In its civilian configuration it has two of every part - barrels, bolts (mirrored, so one ejects left and the other right), triggers, buffers, etc. In its military setup, the triggers and recoil system are combined into single units, and this makes the gun arguably practical. With a single trigger, a person fires two rounds simultaneously, resulting in either two simultaneous hits at close range, or the potential for one hit at longer range instead of what might be a miss with a regular rifle. This is a concept that has been experimented with by pretty much all major militaries over the past decades; the Russians, French, and Americans all had rifles like this. Other approaches to the end result included duplex and triplex ammunition (multiple bullets in one case) and hyper-burst firing mechanisms (like the Russian AN-94 and German G11). Ultimately all of the different systems were deemed poor compromises compared to normal rifles, but it's not as bizarre of an idea as it might first appear.
Unfortunately, the civilian Snake has to have two separate triggers to avoid machine gun classification in the US. It's difficult to fire both triggers simultaneously, and this limits the practical military applications of the gun.
Oh, and don't miss the unique elements in the Snake to allow for the barrels to be zeroed before mounting sights!
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[@Ramonatho]

I'm sorry, Tri-Barrel FAMAS? You can't just drop that and a bad picture on us and expect us to not wanna know more.

[@ironpirate8]

You never heard of it? I thought it was famas.

[@Primarch359]

I assume Ian has a burning desire to get his hands on one even more than we want to see it.

[@pbs1516]

_Single pull, triple shot_ "hon hon hon in your face mon ami!"

[@Dunkopf]

​@@pbs1516fun fact the rifle report actually sounds like "Hon" this is due to the baguettes used during construction

[@giantent763]

IKR I need to know how the bullets eject.

[@petersmythe6462]

Ah yes, the gun that solves the problem of ejecting spent casings in left-handed people's face by ejecting spent casings in everyone's face.

[@Frank-yb2hw]

lol

[@mneofthestate3515]

😃

[@kentlindal5422]

...and doubling feed issues.

[@lambsauce5312]

I think that would mostly only apply if it was a bullpup, but yeah ur gonna hit *someone* with those casings

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

Modern problems require modern solutions.

[@Vikingwerk]

Military version: interesting advancements in mechanical design Civilian version: two AR’s duct-taped together.

[@zachdugan7320]

ATF: "Yeah I'm banning both"

[@thecraftmasque]

fitting because some duct tape and a popsicle stick would absolutely solve the two-trigger problem 100%!

[@jumpergamer1913]

@@MegaZeta It's probably based and doublepilled

[@sheepmasterrace]

…aaaannd the civillian version is cheaper, easier to maintain, and more reliable.

[@PlatinumNath]

A "military version" is more than often usually the cheapest one rather than the most advanced one.

[@gideonschlen4022]

The "military version" of the Gilboa Snake started out as a technology demonstrator. It was intended to show off the performance of their proprietary recoil system and their engineering capabilities. They showed it off and discovered there was a market for it

[@deker0954]

Full gauge double feed auto lock. I call it Vera.

[@jeremywilliams5107]

I am surprised that Ian actually managed to say "tri-barrelled FAMAS" without breaking into uncontrolled salivation.

[@steveh1792]

Or giggle.

[@DrBunnyMedicinal]

There's no proof he didn't in another take though. Or even many takes, but this is the one where he didn't. Visibly. 🤣

[@Gary_Hun]

He is fortunately not the Homer Simpson of guns.

[@babablacksheep3950]

He's gun jesus, he could just turn 3 baguettes and 2 french fries into any gun he want.

[@releknatroj5174]

I read "salvation" and was disappointed when it wasn't the case

[@gz7006]

Haha that's so silly the civilian market is so wacky... >"this is a civilian version, different from the military pattern..." WHAT

[@randombloke82]

It’s noticeably more different than the average military→civilian market change though. For most ARs that have both, the difference is essentially the trigger group not having any auto/burst options. Everything else is more or less identical. This has a completely different gas system, stock, ergonomics etc.

[@crawdadlando4053]

2 triggers for the civilian. Military has just one. Semi auto firing 2 firearms in 1 would be a 2 round burst. So it has to have independent triggers.

[@tuukka518]

I wonder what happens when the mil version has a failure to extract

[@akusav333]

@@randombloke82 I as a european thought, that only the burst/auto fire is removed in such case. Why do they change any other part? Maybe some materials are not as durable in the civilian version? Can you guys help me in this in a short answer?

[@leonardusrakapradayan2253]

​@@akusav333Ian literally explained the reasons for the multiple changes on this gun in the video...

[@raijinmeister]

"Yo dawg, I heard you like ARs15. So we put an AR15 in your AR15!"

[@Melody_Raventress]

Ah, Classic Meme, *sips appreciatiably*

[@Eradicator_MkIV]

behold: ar30

[@urielpuertas9899]

@@Eradicator_MkIV matter of fact, armalite (modern day armalite, not the one from the 60s) made a bolt action with that name

[@austinrogers5607]

Alright, look here, Ian. You are now obligated to do whatever it takes to get your hands on that tri-barrel FAMAS. If sacrifices are to be made, understand that they are necessary.

[@konstantin.v]

2-gun match with it and the *double-barrelled 1911* when? 😁

[@johnto744]

This would be great 😂

[@harveynailbanger]

You four gun match...

[@konstantin.v]

@@harveynailbanger , 😂

[@KenneMCL]

Is there a holster for that 1911? Would be so funny looking!

[@ZiechieZeechless]

Dystopian future where you need two simultaneous bullets to incapacitated a Sci-fi soldier.

[@dacarrico]

AR-15 + AR-15 = AARR-30

[@NotALot-xm6gz]

Surprised that pirates didn’t buy a lot of AARR-30s.

[@IamOutOfNames]

A2R2-30

[@dacarrico]

@@IamOutOfNames Even better

[@afmo500]

Did the maths, this checks out

[@BrotatoWedges]

AARP?

[@c63amgblack]

As a mechanic working in rustlandia i am amazed when gun youtubers remove frickin m5 screws easily and without snapping them, and all the parts slid past each other without seizing.

[@termitreter6545]

Ian looked at a lot of historical guns in the past, I assume not breaking anything was always quite high on his priority list when dissassembling guns.

[@leeham6230]

​@@termitreter6545 I think the joke went over your head.

[@Cooe.]

​@@termitreter6545Woosh... 🙄

[@andrewdamore2571]

Cornershot is one of the guns I'd been hoping to see Ian review for a while. But this also was a really cool episode

[@shawn6860]

It was a great sequence in Wanted when the corner shot came out.

[@1978garfield]

Kitty Cornershot it the best Cornershot. It is a Cornershot that comes with a specially crafted plush cat to conceal the end of the barrel.

[@FabianMacGintyONeill]

Tri-Barrelled FAMAS? Wow, that breezed by way too quickly, 1980's sci-fi action movie armourers would have killed for one of those to put in Robocop 27 or whatever

[@jackmcslay]

Look up the TKB-059

[@TheGrinXpedia]

​@@jackmcslay Korobov was the greatest madman ever

[@PhoenixOfArcadia]

Triple barreled FAMAS, or "How to deplete the unit's supply of 5.56mm in one day"

[@Phearsum]

@@PhoenixOfArcadia And the enemy of every last liter of blood. 😆

[@hemidas]

Didn't Duke Nukem have something similar?

[@marioalessandrini8271]

The civilian version is cool because it can operate 2 different types of bullets without the need to change the magazine

[@pedro.alcatra]

Oh yes the ancient quadruple feed mechanism

[@Scroolewse]

I love it when youtubers do the ad in a different place/different shirt or something so you know where to skip to by hovering over the progress bar. I appreciate you Ian

[@SixTough]

If it bothers you so much you are on the wrong platform

[@Scroolewse]

@@SixTough They don't bother me, I never said they did. I have no problem with youtubers having sponsors because I can just skip the sponsor read. And it's nice when they make it easy for you.

[@OOZ662]

SponsorBlock even automates the process. Well, once someone else has marked it out, at least.

[@Typhoonbladefist]

What you just said is like thanking a street musician for putting out a donation cup, and, after the performance is over, donate nothing while walking away with a dollar in your hand…

[@Scroolewse]

@@Typhoonbladefist You think I'm stealing money from him by not watching the sponsor section?

[@Idlemind842]

Kel-Tec must dream of getting this designer on their team.

[@AntonAdelson]

Me an Israeli: South Africa is more known for wacky designs. Me after reading the above: Yeah, Keltec will give everyone a run for their money!!

[@EnderPearlRs]

​@@AntonAdelson Kel-Tech is Florida Men making guns

[@spacecatsftw]

@@EnderPearlRs yeah i was quite surprised when i found out kel-tec operates out of my home state, what wacky firearms...

[@EnderPearlRs]

@@spacecatsftw Fellow Florida Man👊

[@spacecatsftw]

@@EnderPearlRs florida woman but yeah

[@brianahern100]

If you use really shitty ammo you could technically get a quad feed 😂😂😂

[@no1DdC]

Ah yes, the Elbonian approach to hyperbursting.

[@theviolence2732]

*MLG jam clearing*

[@MadComputerScientist]

​@@no1DdC Elbonian Hyperburst is actually my new band name.

[@honestsoul7575]

Regarding why it has two buffer tubes and two gas blocks: I believe the true reason is entirely because it has two triggers. If it had one gas and recoil system then both bolts would always reciprocate at the same time. Meaning if one of two triggers is pulled, only one round would go off and eject an empty casing, while a live round is ejected out the other side. I cound also see it benefiting as a sort of safety system for the two triggers so if you tried to pull both triggers at once, and are off by fraction of a second, there isn't a risk of out of battery from the second hammer dropping while the action is in motion.

[@GRIZZLYSGEAR]

I would have thought the G11 was the best known firearm that allowed multiple rounds to fire before the recoil kicked in, with it's 3 round burst function. I know it wasn't fielded, but it's a weapon that was shown in various movies and because of it's use of an unusual front loading, 50 round magazine that used caseless ammunition; is often brought up in conversations about interesting firearms. It's also the only firearm that is loaded by winding it like a jewellery box, that has a spinning ballerina...

[@beezzarro]

Youre not wrong. I think, if i may offer my theory, is that the G-11's triple shot feature is overshadowed by its other novel attributes like its look, clockwork action, and caseless ammunition. I often forget that it even has a burst fire mode. Meanwhile, the AN94 is famous for its ability to give a two shot burst before the recoil has kicked in too much

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

There is some part of me that wants to say that this is silly, then there's another part that says "this weighs 5.6lbs less than an m249 and the replacement barrel is already attached.

[@BluntEversmoke]

Very much this. And it gives you mag interchangeability with the squad, a common manual of arms between rifles and LMGs and also some parts commonality and quicker reload while sacrificing only some capacity (60 vs 100). Makes one wonder why the actual fuck it isn't the common practice instead of being anexotica.

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

@@BluntEversmoke Don't even have to lose the capacity, 50 round mags exist, they're issued their own belts now, it would be perfectly doable to issue larger mags. The M249 does have a magwell to take standard mags if necessary though so the mag interchangeability is already there. The issue would be sustain, since both barrels shoot at the same time, and I assume the fire rate is roughly similar to an M4 (but firing 2 rounds per cycle), so you'd run them dry twice as often, and not actually get the benefit of less barrel wear. You'd have to reduce the fire rate somehow to half and make them fire staggered. In order to do that it would increase the weight from the single piston military pattern somewhat since a second piston would be necessary, but that wouldn't weigh 5 pounds. But at least in that pattern if you were trying to sustain you wouldn't have to be concerned about the gas tube. The idea has potential, I could definitely see it with some tweaks.

[@Appletank8]

​@@RandarTheBarbarian A lot of those multi-barreled AA guns seem to fire staggered, don't they?

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

@@Appletank8 I believe so, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it seems very doable for the snake to be a lighter squad automatic. I just say "somehow" because I don't know enough about the mechanics of doing that.

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

@@BluntEversmokeBecause you get all that just by having a SAW based on your service rifle that only has one barrel too, and then you don’t have to make your soldiers have to basically lug around 2 rifles for the capability of one.

[@jaredbaker5447]

A counter argument to the civilian version having separate gas blocks and buffer tubes is it makes it much more serviceable to the owners. If gilboa stops supporting it after a few years, any breakage would be extremely difficult to fix, but universal parts means easier servicing and better aftermarket support.

[@austinkroe]

Or because with two triggers you cannot guarantee you pull them both at exactly the same time. So if you fire one and then the piston is actuated you will be firing the other round straight out of the ejection port… or maybe it doesn’t cycle right… or maybe, if it is perfectly timed, you could ignite the other round just as the bolt becomes unlocked somehow and you get an out of battery detonation. But this gun would be pretty spicy if you combined it with two RDIASs.

[@Bigfoot42]

Another potential reason due to the separate firing triggers: not enough pressure from a single round to drive two actions. Or that you would eject an unused round if both chambers are loaded. Basically, if you can't fire both barrels with one trigger, you don't want the systems tied to each other.

[@jaredbaker5447]

@Bigfoot42 the main reason for two triggers is that firearm laws in America say that if more than one round is fired when the trigger is pulled its full auto. So even though only one bullet is leaving each barrel, it's two bullets total, and the atf could argue its full auto and have the gun be banned. It's stupid but that's the atf for ya.

[@commando552]

@@jaredbaker5447 It is not actually the law, but companies think it might be and dont want to risk it. There have been numerous volley fire guns that are not classed as machine guns when the fire 2+ rounds from a single trigger pull, most commonly older stuff and antiques but even newer guns like the god awfull Thunderstruck.

[@insertname3977]

​@@commando552 Will point out that a lot of older models are grandfathered or simply unknown to the ATF for them to classify them as such. They're not a consistent organisation when it comes to applying their own rules.😊

[@teknoaxe]

I'm getting flashbacks to the fighter jet-decepticons from 1985 for some reason, and the blaster cannons they had slung parallel to their forearms.

[@MatthewCochrane9622]

What seems absolutely absurd, is that they could have easily have manufactured simply custom triggers to have the two triggers jog closer together, either towards the center, or simply jog the left trigger to be right beside the right trigger. Yes, you'd likely want to incorporate some sort of bearing to keep the off-axis forces on the trigger from impeding trigger function substantially, but that's what this rifle "needs". And simply making unique offset triggers (and I mean just the trigger itself, not the trigger assembly) seems like something easy to spin up locally here in the US to avoid compliance issues... And as said before, technically they could simply manufacture new/custom "left triggers" and leave the right trigger completely stock. Seems like there's a large opportunity for the aftermarket, and I'd think anyone dropping $2,200+ on an AR wouldn't mind spending another $100-200 (grossly overpriced, massive profits, like what you'd need to justify a low volume item like this) to make the trigger system more logical.

[@Axt3r]

Standard issue for all GDI Mammoth Tank crewmen

[@AfroMan187]

The Soviets did it first for their Heavy Tank crewman. It was just two AK74U's welded together, but it was cheap

[@bennyb.1742]

what it really needs is a massive, counter rotating dual feed drum thing.

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

A pair of mirrored snail drums

[@Skorpychan]

A pair of Beta C-mags?

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

Glad i'm not the only one who thought abot this

[@BleedingUranium]

What about binoculars as an optic? You could zero each eye to each barrel. :D

[@pricelessppp]

@@SkorpychanOr surefire mags?

[@RamadaArtist]

I love how the gun has all these fancy adjustment features to get the barrels and sights and everything tuned in exactly how you want, and then it's still functionally impossible to make use of any of it because there's not practical way to ensure you're hitting both triggers at the exact same time, since they aren't mechanically linked.

[@Jharug87]

unless you make some inventive use of 3d printing but then i guess you better hide that augment someplace

[@TZmayo]

Gonna run this as my primary and start saving up for a AF2011A1 for my sidearm

[@TristanMorrow]

Someone _finally_ makes a nice left-handed AR :-D ...and it's got a bastard conjoined RH twin :-/

[@11aaguilar]

There have been left-handed ARs for decades! Stag Arms made them starting in the 2000s

[@aazelion5189]

Just don’t be wrong handed

[@Rb889]

@@11aaguilar They still do, last I checked.

[@why6212]

True ambi

[@CNe7532294]

Looks like you're stuck playing Counter Strike my friend. That or what 11aaguilar said. :-P

[@Pilvenuga]

Ah yes, the fully semi-automatic double-barreled 30-round clips.

[@Pickelhaube808]

*magazines 🤓

[@todokuta]

yeah better edit the clips to mags before you get 500 comments from gun expert

[@owen1079]

For double the "assault!" (ATF!)

[@dinkelheit88]

​@Pickelhaube808 the point where the joke went over the head

[@owen1079]

​@@Pickelhaube808... You realise clips was a deliberate ATF joke?

[@HPS47Nicky]

really glad somebody finally went over the function of this thing, its been basically just shooting videos until now.

[@janmarucha9138]

Ah, finally, AR-30

[@novemberonetwo]

*ARAR-30

[@scottwarner2146]

$0.98 hose clamp has entered the chat

[@vyvianalcott1681]

For the triggers? Not sure how that's supposed to work but you need a solid linkage to make the triggers pull simultaneously. Welding a ribbed plate between them would be suitably stiff.

[@dr.burtgummerfan439]

$0.05 ziptie 😂

[@pierremoore4916]

Hahahahahhahahahah

[@tylermallory2504]

here in the heck are you still getting hose clamps for under a buck? with these bidenomics I haven't seen a hose clamp that cheap in a few years...

[@bh6532]

jUsTaSGooOd!

[@Beandealer]

You see, Ivan. Double the barrel, double the bullet, double the damage.

[@blackcountryme]

Sounds like an infomercial

[@boxofrox619]

@@blackcountrymeNow that’s a lot of DAMAGE!

[@lordharu8682]

double the barrel, double the fun!

[@catsspat]

Double the damage... to your wallet.

[@Bagginsess]

Have one point backward, now you shoot two directions in once da? Also cancels recoil!

[@Dlweta57]

Ian.. Always a wealth of knowledge, thank you , not a gun owner, but love your videos. Especially the break downs, thank you again

[@ViolentCriminalOrganization]

you could occupy land twice as fast with this

[@Atombender]

At least it doesn't have two forward assists.

[@phucletran2860]

😂

[@KrikZ32]

they could do twice the nothing

[@gus.smedstad]

After watching Ian explaining the various Rube Goldberg schemes for firing multiple rounds at once, I was reminded of Aperture Science. “We fire the whole bullet. That’s 65% more bullet per bullet.” Maybe not coincidentally, the animation for that shows two rounds being fired at once out of twin barrels. If “launched by a spring” is really firing a round.

[@mw4222]

I think one missed opportunity here is they could have had custom triggers that bend sideways and meet in the middle. That way it's still technically two triggers but you can much more easily pull them at once.

[@grants7390]

doing that may have been to close to the line for their comfort. the intention would be quite obvious and could supply regulators the ammunition to create even more regulations.

[@estamnar6092]

Can ya put two suppressors on it?

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

Hold my beer, and hand me my duct tape.

[@giulianoforti542]

"watch this"

[@runristaren]

I've been practising using my middle finger a lot lately, knew it would come in handy 😊

[@curtisbrown547]

exactly what I was thinking. some ductape or a bent up piece of wire hanger to link the triggers and your golden.

[@galaxyproductions2076]

@@curtisbrown547 I think he's talking about duct taping his two AR's together

[@curtisbrown547]

@@galaxyproductions2076 I hope not

[@Patriot66699]

The original concept was 2 bullets to be fired with one trigger and ATF put the Kibosh on that so it became 2 triggers, which made the concept even worse…1 trigger would have been a fun novelty. This information about the triggers was directly from the director of sales of Gilboa at the time.

[@atomic_wait]

It seems pretty straightforward to be a volley fire gun, like that 22 mag revolver. Guess being semi auto scares people

[@junichiroyamashita]

I would love for more volley fire guns. Only,i wonder what they could do that others cannot. Just to justify a Pieper Volley Rifle replica.

[@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337]

Which is odd because they didn't say shit about the AF2011A1 double 1911

[@atomic_wait]

@@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 It looks like a grandpa gun, less threatening.

[@nc_classics9767]

You know Bubba with a welder did it.

[@SeblaccSoft]

Ah yes, the real life Storm Bolter

[@landotucker]

Was looking for this comment 😄

[@oldschoolben438]

I made the same comment two months after you and am shocked that you only had 2 likes 😂😂😂

[@lindybeige]

While I see the legal difficulty, would it not be fairly easy to make a Y-shaped trigger where the finger pulled the bottom part of the Y and the the two upper arms of the Y operated both hammers?

[@DerekIcelord]

The shop I worked at had one of these sitting on the wall for *years*. It was one of 2 rifles that sat on the shelf through the pandemic.

[@BD.1996]

What was the other?

[@ZGryphon]

Or two of three, depending on how you look at it.

[@letsdothis9063]

I would've bought it.

[@thedumbguncollector5546]

I’m sure anyone who has one of these immediately went to the store and found some heat shrink tubing to put on the triggers to unitize them

[@rmhaven142]

your dog will hate you for this

[@thedumbguncollector5546]

@@rmhaven142 I don’t have one! Lol

[@rmhaven142]

@@thedumbguncollector5546 then you dodged a bullet right there!

[@no1DdC]

@@rmhaven142Or rather two bullets.

[@vyvianalcott1681]

You guys have the worst solutions, how is that supposed to work? You realize tubes are flexible right?

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

Another reason for the two buffers may be that no matter what you pulling two triggers will result in small differences in the timing of the two chambers firing. You wouldn’t want to shoot the left barrel with the spring half compressed already

[@ihatethisusername2]

ATF, upon seeing a featherless biped: "BEHOLD, A MACHINE GUN!"

[@Sammie1053]

Legal precedent is a wacky thing that creates all sorts of irrational incentives. With the US judicial system working the way it does, I see the logic behind defining a machine gun as "one trigger pull, more than one bullet" and refusing to make any exceptions ever for any reason ever

[@ihatethisusername2]

@@Sammie1053 I totally understand the hard logic to reach that conclusion, it does literally fire more than one round per trigger pull. It's a spirit vs letter situation, I doubt anyone could call this a machine gun with a straight face or any firearm that doesn't sustain automatic fire with one trigger pull, which is the common, non-legal, understanding of what makes a machine gun. All that said, I totally understand the legal bastardry used to get where they need to go.

[@BleedingUranium]

I enjoy that this definition makes all shotguns into "machine guns".

[@ihatethisusername2]

@@BleedingUranium don't give them ideas. It's fair to assume they'll always take the least generous interpretation given the chance

[@MT-lv3ls]

Meanwhile if I even saw this thing at all in the hands of someone walking around in those open carry states, I am leaving instantly. A concept for a purpose for one, is not ideal for another. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[@who167]

Fun fact: Silvershadow who produce the Snake are one of the manufacturers that will produce new AR-15 type rifles for the IDF

[@patrick6935]

Waits impatiently for the range test…

[@shoopusdawhoopus]

>one long middle finger to pull both triggers or: one hot-glued metal tab

[@asierurteagaaguirre3462]

ATF open the door! Those would be the last words your dog would hear

[@gagekieffer772]

​@@asierurteagaaguirre3462what the ATF doesn't know can't hurt the dog

[@killazaawl]

yeah when he was explaining the trigger i was laughing, the thing is like 5 seconds away from being illegal. but ian is a respectable gentleman he didn't want to say the quiet part out loud

[@Skorpychan]

Nah, just a fancy ring would do it. 3D print one today, or just make it out of a pipe.

[@SlavicCelery]

​@@asierurteagaaguirre3462Volley fire is legal. See also: the stupid double barrelled revolver.

[@9mil1313]

Great review. I have one of these. You did a fantastic review on zeroing the rifle. It's very different then most..

[@kyinvestor]

Can I get it in 556 in the right barrel and 300 blackout in the left? I’m sure there would never be any issues with that setup.

[@johna4371]

"To my mind the practical thing to do with this--" Let me stop you right there man.

[@Alpha.Phenix]

Ahh yes, the guardsman version of the storm boltor.

[@Del_S]

If it wasn't heresy, you just know there'd be a budget hellgun equivalent made of two Lascarbines side by side. But only Space Marines can innovate and get away with it.

[@Dovakhin94]

Cut off the barrels and remove the stock and there you go😊

[@mkvi_minis9036]

Happy gas mask noises

[@goatah]

There’s a Krieger leaning out from around the corner, and despite the eyepieces being reflective and the mask in place over his face, you can sense a smile.

[@crustybomb115]

idk why im so surprised to see warhammer 40k references here... but could you imagine ian doing a video talking about bolters? how wierd would that be...

[@kypparmstrong2775]

In recognition of the ATF I also recommend using the longer Middle Finger!

[@AverageJoe4063]

I'm surprised they didn't make triggers that were closer together or staggered front to back like most guns with multiple triggers.

[@vii7031]

Yo dawg i heard you like Ar's so we put an AR in your AR so you can shoot AR while you shoot your AR

[@messmeister92]

This is a case study in “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.”

[@robertcuny934]

I did not know of the examples cited but the Gilboa Snake's configuration did conjure up the Villar Perosa Double Machine Gun in my mind. Very intriguing design. Sighting adjustment reminds me of harmonizing guns on a WWII fighter aircraft. I suppose maintenance is the equivalent of cleaning two firearms simultaneously. 😏 Thanks for the very enjoyable video!

[@Tekdruid]

My Jagged Alliance -addled brain: "So you load one side with AP and the other with hollow point, right?"

[@RVR121]

Heck with it being so damm thick when you run out of ammo you can use it as a club.

[@stanislavczebinski994]

Or - have almost twice as much parts to throw.😉😆

[@PaperworkNinja]

This is perfect for the Elbonian Army

[@PumpkinDefender]

I would love to see this concept combined with an Echo trigger system. Having a single trigger operating one barrel on the pull and the other barrel on the release would go even further to skirt the ATF on fast firing ARs and would also allow for thinner profile barrels since their respective rate of fire would be halved as opposed to the military model.

[@RetractedandRedacted]

Puts a whole new meaning to double tap

[@gilgamecha]

There is a physical effect called constructive interference that gets VERY destructive when two bullets hit close by at nearly the exact same time. WAY more than twice the damage to plates or tissue.

[@whyjay9959]

Interesting, I was wondering if that was significant. Waves collide...

[@rotwang2000]

Must be why the double shot S333 revolver has "not being able to hit a door at five yards" level accuracy.

[@carnage77]

On plates that are not solid steel . On something with a greater mass, it will make little to no difference. On soft or brittle ceramic plates - hell yeah. Just think of 2 of those gel block temporary cavities an inch apart 🤯🤮☠️

[@gilgamecha]

@@carnage77 True. The main effect though is on tissue - not pretty. It is like an exponential version of the (already scary) hydrostatic effect.

[@jguillot72]

Now we're talkin.

[@jg8263]

KelTec designer on seeing this: *does spit-take*, "somebody hold my beer, I mean my mirror and dollar"

[@lostalone9320]

KelTec ain't bumping rails with a dollar.

[@sam8404]

I remember seeing the Cornershot on some Discover Channel show when I was little and thought it was the coolest thing ever.

[@matteohetzy7599]

Maybe If this at least had 2 independent safes(maybe when they engage they both do, but each of the two can be disengaged independently) might offer the option for switching between non-Lethal/Lethal bullets

[@sniperwolf50]

Firing your side barrel is faster than reloading

[@lp9280]

Double win for Ian, two ARs and neither of them have forward assist!

[@Von_Langstein]

This would be insane as a smooth bore slug thrower, the combinations you could load into both mags... oh man

[@kylejohnson4340]

You could theoretically cross the gas tubes to go from one gun to the other remove the trigger mechanism from the left side and just have a hammer with a disconnector and a select fire trigger on the right side, and you would either have two round, burst or full auto firing from alternate barrels

[@macalvand]

Really like that the gun allows the user to regulate the barrels on their own for different loadings, I wish more double barreled shotguns and rifles were like that!

[@donalddicorcia2433]

Ha! My first thought when you were explaining the rifle was, “that’s as dumb as the corner shot”.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

I remember when I was a kid and Future Weapons did an episode on the Corner Shot. I thought was the coolest thing back then lol

[@AntonAdelson]

Corner shot is actually not that dumb. It's used by a lot of professionals!! Have a look en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot

[@no1DdC]

@@Calvin_CoolageI really liked it when they put a plushie on the gun in order to confuse enemies for a second or two.

[@alanocarlossur9440]

Back when us left-handed shooters had to use brass deflectors on the M-16, I would have like to have tried one of the mirrored bolts with a milled out left side ejection port. I bet it would have saved me some neck burns.

[@ukon2062]

Now that's a thick gun and I reckon some would definitely fancy that.

[@jamessaltzburg9549]

I always thought this was an answer to a question no one was still asking

[@la_creatura_fea_y_bella]

my first thought was actually that you could just run one side, and have an entire spare ar15 with you at all times in case of the one side becoming inoperable. in terms of insane prepper guns, I feel like it's got a purpose there.

[@MumrikDK]

One gun to protect you while you reload the other.

[@Appletank8]

the 2nd trigger is still annoyingly far for your finger to reach though, and may be awkward to use with the other trigger in the way?

[@chrismaines1285]

Early MetalStorm models were cool and put a lot of lead down range fast. Love to see some of those here.

[@stephenballard3759]

"It's just a way to get more projectiles down range and increase your chances of a hit. " Shotguns: Are we a joke to you?

[@lahma69]

If they would have integrated the 2 triggers closer together (essentially side by side, nearly touching), this could have much more closely emulated the experience of the military version. With the 2 triggers so far apart, it appears to make it much more difficult to use it as originally intended.

[@teufeldritch]

Double your pleasure, double your fun with the double boom gun!

[@user-oi1fd6fx2j]

Dammit, you beat me to it, but i said a lil diffrent

[@anomilumiimulimona2924]

One side as a sbr, the other for elr. Perfection 😊

[@water9111]

When he pulls back the charging handle how do both of the bolts lock to the rear if he isn't pressing the bolt catch?

[@dulio12385]

Intelligence tells you, you can do it. Wisdom tells you why you shouldn't. Charisma tells you to just sell it to an American. This is one of those times.

[@Blodhelm]

"They were in such a hurry to see if they could, they never stopped to ask if they should,"

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Somebody from Kel-tek infiltrated them

[@Kumimono]

Strength tells you, it has more mass, thus makes a better club to bash with.

[@d133710n]

What if we took the bullets and put them on really long belts so you can shoot longer?

[@FabianMacGintyONeill]

Apparently magazine design peaked at the Villar-Perosa according to these designers

[@InCognito-vx8gi]

How about we just fire the wholre cartridge instead of just the bullet? Tha'ts 65% more bullet per bullet! - Cave Johnson

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Bullets on belt? So silly. Pockets maybe, but belt. Ha ha!

[@babayaga6376]

Hey, you might be onto something here...

[@marcogenovesi8570]

what is this sorcery

[@lordMartiya]

Italy did this first with the Villar Perosa. That's why they didn't try again during the Cold War, they already knew it was a stupid idea. But everyone else thought they were better... And Italy laughed.

[@TristanMorrow]

That double-barrel FAL 😂

[@kesmeseker9593]

Villar Perosa actually had a purpose which justified two barrels(AA duty, with an smg, lol.). But some ended up in ground troops.

[@lordMartiya]

@@kesmeseker9593 Some? All of them, after it was clear it was underpowered for aircrafts.

[@no1DdC]

@@kesmeseker9593Well, it was mounted to WW1 aircraft, which were little more than fancy flying tents. You don't need a large caliber to bring one of those down, especially not at the ranges that air combat was fought at the time.

[@johnoberst1045]

Gilboa Snake? Did Rocky and Snake Pliskin have a baby? 🤔

[@lucassmith2332]

I love it. I could think of some uses.

[@paddy2081]

A binary style trigger on this gun where the pull fires one barrel and the release fires the other would be wicked cool

[@PJ-he5zk]

Oh boy, another doublegun

[@skeven0]

the only who i can think of before i saw this was the "2011" double barrel Colt 1911 and the Vilar Pirosa machine gun of WW1

[@x808drifter]

​@@skeven0The DP-12 has entered the chat.

[@Trenaime]

Frommer stop MG and M1912 steyr experimental double barrel thing entered the chat

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

This thing's pretty much the ancestor to the Storm Bolter.

[@mattjames6847]

An April 1st video on the development of the Bolter would be awesome

[@zudukaiKilo44]

you need a longer trigger for the second barrel, so it can sit under the first normal length trigger like a dual finger trigger paintball marker, be fully separated system but actuated by either your middle finger or offset behind or closer to the first trigger in a tight "\ /" configuration.

[@mirko5469]

09:02 watch comes into frame *HERE, HAVE ALL THE NOSTALGIA* I think I actually still have that thing somewhere around the house...

[@davidharper9772]

I'd rather work with the old 3-round burst limitations and save the weight for more ammo.

[@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh]

If you can have a 3round burst, you can have a single trigger, fully auto version.

[@davidbanan.]

Was there ever an M16 that was ACTUALLY locked to burst?

[@jeanpierrepolnareff9919]

In a perfect world we have triple barrel shoot burst, that's 9 shots in a single trigger pull.

[@user-ui4hs6xh1s]

@@davidbanan.If by "locked to burst" you mean "has only 3-round burst but no full-auto", then yes, it was army variant of M16A2 (marines had it with full-auto capability).

[@abstractapproach634]

Does a three round burst legally have to stay that way, guess I'd get one for the investment but I want select fire. 3 shot burst was hated by everyone from the troops to Stoner himself and especially gunsmiths. I'd go for stacked, side by side seems like a novelty item but stackek would be dope.

[@overthinkingisbad]

>1800's: pepperbox pistols/rifles >2000's pepperbox pistols/rifles cowboy logic will always remain

[@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER]

Pepperbox pistols do not fire all barrels at once, you had to move the cylinder manually.

[@no1DdC]

@@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPERChainfire enters the chat.

[@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER]

@@no1DdC The stuck sks firing pin of the 19th century.

[@jasonfitzpatrick2197]

I remember the guy in one of the Phantasm movies welding two shotguns together, I'm kinda surprised this took this long.

[@Vlad-fm3gk]

8:34 im the same way, look at it from the side and it looks more or less normal, but when you look at it from top or bottom is when you really appreciate the physical bulk

[@MattWaller04]

The military version would actually be sick though

[@user-oh6gz9er6h]

With 2 triggers and buffer tubes, it really does seem like a novelty. Would absolutely love to see if you could get your hands on a military one, that fire control group must be quite interesting