Successor to the Scout: Q's 8.6mm Fix

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0:00 - Purpose of the Fix
6:03 - The 8.6mm Blackout Cartridge
12:33 - Rifle Features
21:13 - Disassembly
29:35 - My Complaints
31:49 - At the Range
There is a ton to go over in this video...I noticed the Fix when it first came out, but it didn't become really interesting to me until the version in 8.6mm Blackout hit the market. Fundamentally, the Fix is a very light, modular, and ergonomic bolt action utility rifle. In 8.6mm, I think it is a magnificent hunting weapon - virtually silent while offering excellent terminal performance with a heavy expanding projectile.
I am going to be using this rifle with an AGM Rattler TS35-640 thermal optic in Midnight Brutality, so stick around for that video tomorrow!
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[@mattp7828]

Yep I'm 53 and pretty deaf from my time in the military, suppressors are the solution to a billion dollar problem.

[@georgepoggington4896]

Especially if you use subsonic or lower-grained ammunition so it’s even less ear breaking, I honestly think more ammunition companies should start making more subsonic ammunition.

[@judgejimbobrowntown3214]

Ya now go tell the atf that what morons

[@zerozilch]

Percussion mitigation attachment

[@SuperCulverin]

Thank God the NFA and the BATF are there to make everything safer for us!

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

66, shooter and drummer, with tinnitus. 😐

[@warrenrhinerson6373]

Considering they’re called Q I’m half expecting their CEO to say “now pay attention 007” during all of their meetings

[@SuperCulverin]

Special Operations Group. Army of Northern Virginia. The Q group. Future proves past.

[@Chiller01]

Or the earth is infested w ith lizard people.

[@IloveTide1997]

ALL PATRIOTS GO, NOW ATTACK

[@Mr_Chode]

Or is it The Q from Star Trek? lol

[@Mygg_Jeager]

​@@SuperCulverin what?

[@kaneyoung7439]

This gun looks like a 'what if' where bolt actions remained the main line rifle after ww2

[@enloeeagle7258]

Absolutely perfect description!

[@eddiesmith7867]

Or just look at any modern military bolt action

[@zarnold1995]

Reminds me of a bolt action VSS Vintorez in a western chamber.

[@Tekdruid]

Kind of disappointed they didn't go with "Tip" for the rifle name. Because not only would that make it "the Q Tip", but also because no matter what kind of hunting or survival situation you're facing, you could always go in with just the Tip.

[@noturfather1106]

😂

[@gohunt001-5]

Q should hire this man as marketing director

[@mrastleysghost]

That should be the suppressor name

[@weege5.45]

@@mrastleysghost The Fix is in with just The Tip

[@FUBARguy107]

I think he calls his 5in 50bmg "the Tip"...

[@project_poor_runner]

31:00 Knowing Q, they’ll take you’re feedback on the electrical tape and come up with a silicone wrap, name it something exotic and charge $65.99 for it. 😂

[@philmickey7247]

Yep!🤣

[@Fadaar]

f4 tape gang for life

[@EGGfounder]

S

[@bubba200874426]

"What does this do over a regular bolt action." It comes with all the after market parts you can put on a Remington 700 in Tarkov.

[@pixelbucket8884]

costs entirely too much

[@Isaac-ho8gh]

Fuck Tarkov, its made by pro-Putin fascists. Though, this gun's still dumb anyway because of being too complex for what it is. Although its very light which is great for what its designed for, but it can be even lighter and cheaper if the handguard and stock were more simple shapes or if it weren't modelled off the AR15 lol

[@gamebriz4163]

Even before I read the comments the Fix was giving me Tarkov vibes 👍

[@sir_vix]

​@@hoilst265 traitorous teenage troll action figure now includes special edition turn-coat with popped collar and piss-soaked surrender shorts.

[@Mygg_Jeager]

>porkchop

[@tis7963]

Good attitude toward hearing protection. I have an uncle who was born in the late '40s who has been a hunter and shooter his whole life. When he started shooting hearing protection wasn't a thing. I don't know when he started using protection, but it was too late. He can hear conversation if it's in a quiet room and you're right in front of him. In a restaurant he can't understand a word.

[@joekahno]

I have the same problem for the same reason. What's really bad is the way it managed to sneak up on me. Volume isn't a problem. I can hear at normal conversation levels. I just can't discriminate sounds from multiple sources. A barking dog or passing truck turns whatever is being said into "gargle gurgle blurg".

[@dennisyoung4631]

Have had that problem since birth, due to being born with just one ear.

[@davidmills8726]

I have similar issues with no hearing damage. It can be a sign of (Central) Auditory Processing Disorder (C)APD, sometimes confused with or compounded with Dyslexia. There's not a lot you can do about it, but learning about it might help with coping strategies.

[@tokskallnklokskalln1578]

Same problem here and i'm only 37

[@sneakyfildy]

Mb he's not interested in conversation 😅 sorry for joking about that, I got the opposite issue - I think I hear too well

[@supersonicbros23]

This thing looks like the survival rifle you'd find in your escape pod of a space ship.

[@iskandartaib]

Another reason for the high rate of twist - you've got a really long bullet. Long bullets need more RPM to fly stably. It's also subsonic, less velocity means less RPM for a given rate of twist. So to get the RPM up to the needed value you need a greater rate of twist. The fact that the rifle is a bolt action came as a surprise.. up to that point I thought it was another AR.

[@Tunkkis]

Exactly. People seem to think that faster twists are necessitated by heavier bullets, but that is only partially true. A heavier bullet for a given diameter will of course have to be longer, but the same physics also apply to long and light bullets like tracers.

[@jeroylenkins1745]

clever

[@agentoranj5858]

Still doesn't need to be as fast as it is just to stabilise the bullet, they're only pushing it so far because they're committed to the idea that spinning the bullet faster lets it carry more kinetic energy without breaking the sound barrier.

[@jackburton7959]

​@@agentoranj5858 after looking at some of the testing by Fostek and Discrete Ballistics, I would hardly call that an "idea." It appears that there is definitely greater wounding potential when a heavy bullet with higher spin rate hits the target. This is not a new idea, though.

[@Maximus98351]

@@jackburton7959 I would agree but I think you would have to design a bullet to take advantage of it. The faster twist isn't going to do much for your standard fmj round.

[@mookfishtehwise]

Hearing Ian use words like "dongle" and "dingus" in such a calm and confident manner to describe trigger parts absolutely made my day 😂 I'm also very glad he made a video about this rifle, seems to me Q's engineers really try to think outside the box without being too over-the-top about it, despite that they may be one of the "Apple brands" of the firearms world, I do appreciate the ingenuity and obviously Ian seems happy with the performance given its purpose!

[@792slayer]

Those are technical terms! Lol

[@miket2120]

I was thinking that thingamabob and doohickey and whatitsname would be in there too.

[@charlesballiet7074]

on one hand i dont like the proprietary nonsense. on the other. the execution is superb they really spent the time and tallent where it counts in design and it shows. truly what I would call the new standard in modern rifle design

[@alfredlear4141]

The boondoggles have all been removed tho 👍

[@patrickpendergast898]

Q is fake and a poser. The 300blk was a fluke and if you scale up .223 to .308 for 300blk then go to 308win and scale it up to 375 raptor is a closer comparison

[@PolenarTactical]

This poses the obvious question, will 8.6mm chamber in .308 rifle and will it fire? 🤔

[@Oblithian]

I have a feeling you could chamber it, firing seems slightly sketchy. I hope Ian gives you an answer.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@Oblithian If it's able to fire it will definitely be a kaboom - that's why i ask :D Reminds me of .300 blk in 5.56

[@squidwardo7074]

how would it if .308 is 7.62 mm?

[@JohnCBobcat]

@@squidwardo7074 The case is much shorter. There are images about showing how the Blackout's bullet ogive sits in almost the same place as the 5.56's case shoulder in the chamber, so it'll chamber fine. If the same can occur with the 8.6mm in the 7.62/308 chamber, that's a similar degree of problem.

[@austinchasteeny]

​@@squidwardo7074 they're referring to people blowing 5.56 rifles up chambering 300 blk

[@sir16-bit54]

Ian, the 'primary extraction by the bolt pivoting' system is also on the Denel NTW 20. I learned that from your video :)

[@HrZD16]

I was hoping someone caught that too while watching.

[@syc8150]

Yep definitely

[@ambivalentonion2620]

and it's on the british bms cam rifle

[@KNutZ365]

It is also used in the American Rifle Company’s Archimedes

[@metrazol]

"What I liked about the Steyr Scout is the weight and functionality, as well as how lazy AWP camping is, especially on dust_2..."

[@KillyBilly141]

this. also if someone dominates the map with a scout it really is more impressive

[@frenchfrey65]

@@KillyBilly141 if someone dominates a game with a scout, chances are they're cheating.

[@r0nb0h0ju]

I got a triple kill with the scout on Aztec three terrys crossing the bridge, double headshot also lol

[@shastamcnasta2802]

@@frenchfrey65 is putting a piece of blu-tac on your screen at the centre of the crosshair and then running around no-scoping headshots considered cheating? 🤔

[@therogers4432]

​@@shastamcnasta2802I like your thinking with the blu-tac, but I have 2 short (5mm), very thin (

[@happylittlewarlus]

My buddy hunts with .338 lapua magnum. Shot once without ear pro and learned from it. Now walks around the woods with actives on his head.

[@pixelbucket8884]

what in the world is he hunting that requires the use of a .338

[@davemichael4808]

@@pixelbucket8884yeti

[@harrisonbuck2749]

@@pixelbucket8884 id rather have half a deer in my yard than a whole deer in my neigbors.

[@happylittlewarlus]

@@pixelbucket8884 Moose mainly.

[@mattthekiller9129]

​@@pixelbucket8884 those goddamn rabbits down here carry glock18

[@williamromine5715]

I am 81 and got my first antelope at 13 with a 30.30, although mostly hunted with a 30.06. Boy, has "hunting" changed. A box of ammo would normally last 4 or 5 years. I generally used a 180g Silvertip, which had no problems taking down deer and elk, and have never owned a new rifle. Of course, I hunted to put meat in the freezer, as did my father before me and the guys I hunted with. The idea of spending $3,500 on just the gun would have seemed fantastic to us. The gun Ian showed is science fiction to me. Why you would need a 20 round magazine and a suppressor plus a folding stock is beyond me. Still, I love this channel. It's interesting to see old guns and how much hunting has changed since the "old days".

[@wstavis3135]

"Need" is always an incorrect question.

[@charlesdemers1197]

No one needs this rifle, they created it because they could, not because they should.

[@overcastandhaze]

The question if need if asked relative to the purson asking it.

[@machinotaur]

This gun allows you to be vewy vewy quiet while hunting wabbits

[@Scott.E.H]

Man I didn't realize what a seriously innovative rifle this was. Q's colors may be a little funky but man this is really something else. They put thought into this. That bolt is seriously fancy.

[@fiskersproductions]

If the factory colors bother you, spray paint is only a trip to Walmart away

[@praharin]

The 6.5 fix is all gray and brown. Barrel swaps are easy

[@williamallen7836]

I wonder if they offer a more conservative color scheme. Not everyone likes funky color setups.

[@ShapezPuller64]

Deuteronomy says nun them queer colours on y'alls armaments gim brown or gun metal gobless

[@REDACTED_shenanigans]

When in doubt, spray paint it, that way you get any color you could possibly like

[@kamferjau]

Ian, the rearward motion on the bolt handle for extracting a cartridge from the chamber is found in the Blaser R93 and R8 rifles which have been out for some time. The guiderails are also found on the Blaser rifles. So I am sure Q took some inspiration here.

[@CascadingDream]

Q actually copied the action from the Merkel KR1.

[@kamferjau]

@@CascadingDream I am not familiar with that one but that doesn't surprise me at all.

[@HotboiEngineering]

Also from the NTW-20.

[@MrPh30]

Merkel is a good one, not a straight pull but oridnary bolt. But it struck out,due to R93 and R8 . It looks so much like one this one . All needed is a swap barrel like the others have . Similar barrel swap system on them

[@MrPh30]

And a little bit of Newton Leverbolt this also have. Some guys that read up on things working.😊

[@rtbdmd]

"trigger dingus lever" is now an official technical description term.

[@oc_historymemes2190]

This is a very pure video. It's just Ian talking about a weapon that he really likes for some very interesting reasons.

[@Vollce]

What a genius design. That makes the simple thing they did not realise to make the trigger guard thicker so the mag won't wiggle even more impressive.

[@Khrrck]

Is it possible that they were testing with a different magazine model which has slightly different clearances? I'm not a real gun guy so I'm not sure how much variation there is in fit between those "standard" magazines.

[@davejob630]

Speaking of hearing, your new microphone sounds much better. It no longer has the subtle (or not so ) distortion the old one had for many years. Jolly good show I say!

[@hoilst265]

I'm still getting it. There's still some pop.

[@Marcin206pl]

I dont hear difference. Also this is big channel, and its 2023, there is no valid reason for Ian to not record and upload in 4k already. Or at least in 60 fps. See how bad it looks at 0:55

[@ToxikDouche]

​@@Marcin206pl As much as I'd like to disagree with you, you have a very good point. Even if it just means the quality of the historical footage will be higher, on that merit alone.

[@RobertMilesAI]

Yeah just buy a Zoom F2, it's like $200 and records in floating point so you don't have to set gain. Set and forget audio

[@scrotor189]

His mix still doesn’t sound great. But you’re not wrong either it’s better than it was.

[@jeroylenkins1745]

I enjoyed the aside into the ammunition very much.

[@jamesberry3230]

unnecessary to shorten case to use longer heavier bullets, just seat the bullets deeper ; case size change done to create proprietary cartridge for monetary reasons only

[@dstark3383]

​@@jamesberry3230 not great to crimp on an ogive

[@logant4217]

​@james berry if the bullet is seated too deep it will also cause accuracy issues because the bullet can yaw inside the case when firing

[@kcpwnsgman]

My favorite eccentric and odd product name from Q is the "D-Bag". A bright pink or blue discrete rifle bag that was obviously inspired and named after Q founder, Kevin Brittingham. I assume Kevin would find this joke amusing.

[@LordOfSilense]

Oh wow, that slot on the cross pin on the firing pin so that you can turn it around to line up properly so you can put the striker in properly is genius. It's the little things like that that really make it seem like someone cares when designing it.

[@justin4323]

My buddy has that same thermal scope. It is absolutely wild how well it works. Then again it should for the price lol. He also has been messing with 8.6 blackout and 338 spectra. Both really neat cartridges.

[@jerrylancaster256]

I'd love to try out 338 razorback

[@surfingtothestars]

@@TheFirstCurse1there’s tons of ppl using thermals for hunting hogs hat you can find all over KZbin. It’s also been used in Ukraine and Afghanistan

[@bc30cal99]

Greetings from south central BC, thanks for another fine video sir. About 40 years back a buddy and I talked about building a folding stock, short barreled rifle with a reliable QD scope mount for chasing mulie bucks up in some steep local canyons. When I saw that rifle it reminded me of our project which never came to fruition. Suppressors make so much sense, but we're not holding our breath for using them up here - unfortunately. All the best.

[@danielbeck9191]

Yeah, your "King" Trudeau thinks that suppressors are ONLY for nefarious deeds like assassinations. Same thing here in the USA. Good luck with Firearms Rights!

[@kaoskronostyche9939]

What? You mean you haven't handed your hunting rifles into our Beloved Leader? You wouldn't be thinking for yourself now, would you?

[@ScottKenny1978]

You guys haven't started pushing suppressors as a piece of safety gear?

[@noturfather1106]

Just make one lol

[@jeffprice6421]

Taper on the muzzle device will be self centering like a morse taper. Very cool.

[@brandonrich6342]

100% agree with you about hearing protection Ian. I'm 40 and have severe hearing damage/loss from my time in the military. I was an Infantryman for 11 years. During training we always wore ear pro, however during live fire training and during deployments we did not wear ear pro because of the need for communication. Have 90 percent hearing loss in my left ear and 40 in my right. If i could go back in time i would have worn the electronic ear pro with built in comms. Yes it was awkward and annoying but I (and several others I served with) very much regret not wearing ear pro. Especially looking back on it now being basically deaf in one ear and only being 40 is a bummer. Considering we had the option for electronic ear pro that worked with our communication devices is a very stupid decision. FOLKS I PLEAD WITH YOU, USE EAR PRO!! YOU'LL REGRET NOT USING IT AS YOU AGE.

[@Woodie-xq1ew]

the other nice thing about using a standard mag is that you end up with less complaints. if people have to modify their mags then some people will do it right, others will do half a job. thats a big issue with mags because as you've said before mags are a very important part of making a firearm reliable. if bubba is going round with his dremel modifying people mags for your new shiny cartridge and as per usual he does a bad job then people are going to think that your cartridge is the problem

[@NikEdw70]

For me, this was probably the most interesting video from Forgotten Weapons. It had a lot of your personal opinions and it was in itself a really interesting weapon mechanically and full of interesting solutions, and flaws that can be imporoved. Thanks a lot for showing this weapon. Best vid so far, but it can only get better!

[@spiritofthetime]

I can see exactly why you chose this gun Ian, it's a clever piece of engineering and does the job you want it to do very well. The people who designed it clearly gave the design a great deal of thought.

[@terminusest5902]

I would like to see the 8.6 Blackout on the Sig M-5 Spear. More capable than 300 Blackout. Sig is huge on innovation and support 300 Blackout on a number of guns. Could be useful. Hopefully with a quick change barrel for the Sig 6.8, 7.62 NATO, and possibly 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@Buzzdog1971]

I want to see what Henry at 9-hole can do with this rifle.

[@peterheinrichs7634]

First things first: the whole video was interresseting from beginning to the end! Thing, that catched me the most: ear protection. In my military time we were shooting the HK G3. Nato standard ammo. Beginners lesson at the range. I can ensure you: ONE bullet is enough to cause a trauma and ruin your ear for a lifetime!!! It's exactly the thing that happend to the poor guy next to me. He forgot to plug in the ear protection, shot a single round and BAM! - trauma. For the gun design: I'm absolutely with you in terms of weight and size. But, I'd prefer a design less open. While at the hunt, you're crouching through bushes, laying at the dirt, leaning to the trees... Every little piece of dirt, every tiny stick, every leave, bug or stupid squirrel will be catched by the open surface of your gun! ...it isn't even a matter of dexterity or clumsiness. It's just Murphy's Law. :-/

[@illiteratebeef]

Q: we have an exorbitantly expensive gun using exorbitantly expensive ammo and the striker alone has more parts than an entire AR. Ian, for some reason: sounds great and not at all overengineered.

[@de4dbutdre4ming]

guess you're deaf as well as being illiterate huh

[@alfredlear4141]

Uberengineered

[@mat_tamarin]

I wasn't expecting it to be so quiet! Thats incredible, love being able to see the sight picture too, what an impressive bit of kit!

[@subbot8077]

21:02 Check out the American Rifle Company Archimedes action! It's an R700 Clone-style action with a lever-based primary extraction system like the Fix.

[@chrisdavisunofficial]

When I first heard about the 12" Fix in 8.6 BLK when Kevin first teased it several years ago, heck even the 16" 308, I saw this as a scout rifle replacement. If you only want one rifle, and you can stomach the cost, The Fix is an amazing choice.

[@benjaminboyle7329]

I saw this tested against 3 blocks of ballistic gel laid in series. It zipped right through all of them like they weren't even there. Nice penetration but it was supposed to be an expanding round. They haven't really figured out the ammo for this yet beyond the standard FMJ. Its probably because of the crazy fast twist rate.

[@highlandoutsider8148]

I love seeing anything that's had that extra little bit of thought into it regardless of what the thing is, this is definitely one of those 🥰👏👏

[@Hybris51129]

As someone who has tried to modify a Gen 3 40 round Magpul mag for 458 SOCOM modifying the internal structure of the magazine is absolute hell.

[@jasonleigh4938]

Excellent little rifle and so quiet. Great video as always Ian .😊

[@TheBauwssss]

Loved this video in particular, Ian! Seeing you all excited and get all giddy was particularly great! 👍 😃

[@sigilvii]

The design of the stock lockup reminds me of Cold Steel's blade lock on some of their knives. The lock is designed to be secure even after a lot of wear.

[@nayanjittilak2584]

Sir, you are my far the most ELOQUENT and well-read firearms aficionado I've ever seen anywhere. You've got a great channel. Keep up the good work

[@therogers4432]

Yup... ^THIS^ 😊👍

[@zqj000]

One of the coolest rifle set ups I’ve ever seen. Good job Ian

[@madisbacks1945]

I've been around for a while and this is the first bolt-action bolt disassembly that I've seen on modern rifles. Thank you very much for your hard work. Amazing video!

[@martinroskres1297]

A very cool gun. Thank you for sharing. The scout rifle concept was a short handy rifle of reasonable light weight. I would think the colonel drew inspiration from the German rifle with the Zf 40 scope. Stripper clips were the way to feed that firearm. Detachable magazines were not very available for bolt guns. Now low power variable optics are very readily available along with quality magazines and yes the scout rifle can evolve. Seems there’s a barrel extension for the bolt to lock into. Very well done. Explains some of the decision making process going into the cartridge and firearm.

[@claytonwilliams1474]

American Rifle Company's Archimedes action uses the bolt handle as a lever for primary extraction. I believe they were the first to do so.

[@praharin]

Didn’t the archimedes come out in 2019? The fix was 2016 or 17 I believe

[@ambivalentonion2620]

it's also used on the british bms cam rifle and that was designed in the late 80s after the semi auto ban so i think that's the first

[@FUBARguy107]

I'll be 35 in June. My ears sound like cicadas all the time from my hearing damage. Raves, concerts and shooting with subpar or no hearing protection ruined me. I regret it all. I sleep so poorly. I'm in my living room at 4:12am. I work at 5. So I'm enjoying your video and even with my phone at maximum volume I can clearly hear my messed up tinnitus. The last really bad damage was accidently setting off a .357sig Glock 32 in my tiny condo while trying to set it on top of my safe. It was my carry gun at the time. I didn't have it all the way on the safe and it fell. It DID NOT go off from hitting the ground. The Glock fired because I rushed to grab it and in my haste I grabbed it wrong and my finger set off my super ridiculously light trigger. My left ear has never been the same and that was 2019. Since then I wear hearing protection for a everything.

[@louiss.w1944]

I highly recommend putting some sounds like waves/running water and put it under your pillow. Helps me sleep. Also listen to a podcast or audiobook with a Bluetooth earbud in the less effected ear. Also run a fan. You got this and you ain’t alone dude

[@erikm12]

I really dig the aesthetics of this rifle. The cut down and skeletonized appearance with the blue accents give it a sporty, almost rally car kind of feel.

[@HotboiEngineering]

The primary extraction mechanism reminds me a lot of the NTW-20.

[@KaDaJxClonE]

Woo! My favorite francophone mustache man with rare firearms!

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Today: Ian presents new rifle ‘cause he loves the design aspects. Tomorrow: forgotten weapon, definitely.

[@ihcfn]

Really well thought out features on that rifle, I'm impressed!

[@Spacialvekter]

I'm surprised just how quiet the suppressor makes it. I expected it to be much louder even with suppression. Seems like a cool gun that I'm literally never going to be able to afford 😂

[@Polarian1]

Fascinating video mate. It does seem to be a cracking upgrade from the Scout BUT - for me, nothing beats the basic, utilitarian look of the Scout - iconic!

[@Mothdir]

Definitely a cool rifle. I also like having a look at the hits on the paper a lot. I'd very much like to see this on every range video!

[@cameron5802]

Got to use the Fix at a public event and run a decent amount of 8.6 through it, and boy, it's just one of those sort of dream/youtube guns you see that was such a blast to plink with, regardless how expensive the ammo was. I really find these appealing to the new gunowners that are ready to invest in a bit of a higher end recreational option.

[@dvldog_]

I know this channel is Forgotten Weapons, but I would love to see more vids about modern weapons like this as well... this is absolutely one of the best firearms vids I've ever seen... also, seems like the folks at Q thought through this really well... i'd love to see their take on an AR platform......

[@Bert2368]

Having used 6.5mm Swede with a 1 in 6.7" twist and solid copper bullets with skives at around 2600gps MV, I can attest that the centrifugal expansion into a 4 bladed blender blade like shape is a "thing". And that it does blender like things to soft tissues.

[@boldventuresintl]

As usual...outstanding video, Ian. Many thanks for doing what you do and for just being you.

[@Mystery_Meat]

Really enjoying the look and style points this rifle brings to the table. What a cool rifle!

[@jl6569]

Knowing Ians taste for peculiar and one-of-a-kind French rifles, it makes sense that his hunting rifle is also something I have never heard of…

[@556hp]

Ian, once again, has taught me an impressive amount of information in such a clear, direct format and I just eat this stuff up. I now know so much more about the production & application of the 8.6 than ever. 5/5, highly recommend

[@Ben.....]

never understood that round. now I understand why

[@JunkyardBashSteve]

The Denel NTW-20 has the same primary extraction method. It uses the bolt handle itself as a pivot to increase leverage; just on a much larger scale

[@hotcols1171]

Fantastic review - loved the strip down and details of all the mechanicals!

[@therogers4432]

Yup... ^THIS^ 😁👍 And that's what makes Forgotten Weapons the best channel ever, so thank you Ian 😊

[@hessex1899]

There is an analogous cartridge to the 8.6 Blackout for the 6.5 Creedmoor: The 6.5x47 Lapua. It gives up some envelope but allows the user to use much longer bullets while still fitting in a short action magazine. My current rifle project is likely to be chambered for 6.5x47. I think that my next rifle project will be something like this, however. I am using an Eliseo (Competition Shooting Stuff) chassis and a Borden action.

[@KyussTheWalkingWorm]

The 6.5x47 actually predates the Creedmoor by a couple years. Now that Lapua is making their own Creedmoor brass with small primer pockets the only real difference is that the Creedmoor has slightly more case capacity.

[@hessex1899]

@@KyussTheWalkingWorm The 47 makes a lot of sense, for me anyway, since getting to a crazy long range is basically impossible unless I move. I had no idea about the Lapua Creedmoor brass. It sounds like basically they're .308 Palma brass with a different profile. That's probably very very good brass for the Creedmoor.

[@johncashwell1024]

Hearing damage is cumulative. Thus, every single shot fired w/o hearing protection (suppressor, muffs, plugs, etc) adds to the damage caused by the previous unprotected shot, and so on. Even European gun control countries recognize this and allow the use and possession of suppressors, which are much easier to purchase than they are here.

[@SamuraiMensch]

That is a new thing though, many countries in Europe, at least used to, have very strict laws about silencers. Luckily where I live that has changed, for hunting at least.

[@Landoftheignorant]

The other benefit of Q-Sert is the mounting points don’t go under the hand guard, so you need less overall diameter.

[@TheFlea1987]

Building my first bolt action for hunting and was originally looking at the 8.6 but had to go with 6.5 creedmoor cause I don’t have a suppressor big enough for the 8.6 yet. The 8.6 really cause my interest but was hoping it would get the interest it has been getting. Seems like an awesome round for hunting.

[@HandFromCoffin]

I never knew the rotational energy could be used to design better expanding bullets. I get it now that you say it but I've just never heard of it being considered before. I was an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and have had hearing protection beaten into me. People.. you have 2 remote senses, eyes and ears... why on earth would you take a chance and hurt your hearing? It doesn't come back... Never shoot without hearing protecting (less a suppressor and subsonic) but you know what I mean... Shooting that is so crazy.. I've shot BB guns louder than that thing.. The ricochet sound is so pronounced because you're so used to hearing the big blast of the shot first then the "quite" ricochet. In this case the ricochet sounds so loud because there is no big bang.

[@pain7958]

As someone that developed life long tinnitus in one ear for merely shooting off a few rifle shots at a ranch when I was a teen, wear your damn hearing protection, people!

[@TheBeastlyFollower]

@@GMdrivingMOPARguy You're probably so used to your tinnitus you don't even notice it anymore. I didn't realize I had it until I took a break from shooting, didn't shoot a gun for five or so years compared to popping a couple hundred rounds off with handguns and shotguns every weekend. Didn't use hearing protection with shotguns/rifles, but did with handguns. Went to the hearing doctor after the break and I have moderate tinnitus. I'm 23. My old man, a lifelong hunter, had it, his old man, a Vietnam vet, had it, most of my uncles who were hunters had it. If you don't have it now, you will in the future if you keep it up. Your ears aren't any more resilient to loud noises than anyone else's.

[@BigBoiLoses]

Love Ian’s stance on hearing pro. Setting an awesome example for his viewers!

[@bentuovila5296]

WHAT?

[@dbrown2264]

As always, you’ve presented some interesting and unique content. You remain one of the greatest firearm reviewers ever. Thanks for your great work.

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

As far as the hunting and hearing protection thing goes, I haven't hunted in years but when I was hunting it was always cold as hell. And you were just sitting around. So I was wearing like two hats and sometimes a hood. So shooting without hearing protection was actually dramatically quieter than any earmuffs I'd ever used lol. Which partially just seems to be due to my biomechanics it seems almost impossible to get my eye behind an optic without earmuffs getting squished off, and foamies never seal correct in my right ear. Now I use those surefire things and they work pretty great!

[@scowler7200]

I have that same problem. Have you tried 3M foamies?

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

@@scowler7200 yeah, I've tried most types. The trick for me seems to be just using a larger size in my right ear. Which definitely works but those ones never seal right in my left ear so then I have to open two packs and throw away half every time. So I just have several pairs of those rubber surefires around so it's pretty hard to be caught out

[@wallyzworld7108]

You missed your prefect chance. The 6.5 Creedmoor is actually based not on the 308 Win but the 30 T.C. (a truly Forgotten Cartridge). Originally developed, the 30 Thompson Center, was to give 30-06 performance out of a short action T.C. Icon rifle. Been following the Q Fix and the 8.6 Blackout development for awhile, but can't have the short barrel or supressor here in "Kalistan"/"Commifornia".

[@mellowfellow7]

Great content! American Rifle Company has two actions that have a pivoting bolt handle for primary extraction.

[@fluffywarhampster]

Little tip for folding the stock as a seasoned fix owner. Place the palm of your hand along the bottom of the trigger guard and the pistol grip, kind right where they meet and place the knuckle of your thumb right on the stock pivot point and just push down with your thumb. It usually pops loose the easiest that way since it's pretty much leverage going straight down and overcoming the spring.

[@johnrambo5619]

I like how Garand Thumb demonstrated that the 8.6mm round still sounds like a freight train going down range compared to the .300 Blackout

[@sevenproxies4255]

It's impossible to tell when hearing damage will occur. Sometimes a single shot from an unsupressed rifle can be enough to cause permanent hearing loss. No good reason to risk it when suppressors are available.

[@stevencali3539]

I've been saying for years that if Cooper was developing the scout rifle today, it would probably be a Fix with a light LPVO, like a Trijicon Accupoint, on it. Ian, I have found that the easiest way to fold the stock is to grab the pistol grip in the right hand, with your pinky under the bottom of the grip, place your thumb on the hinge, and squeeze it to pop the hinge loose.

[@applechocolate4U]

Love all the future weapons you feature

[@webtoedman]

Bolt rotation is not directly dictated by the number of lugs. The Lee-Enfield action has two lugs, but sixty degrees of bolt rotation.

[@therogers4432]

That's because the SMLE was designed and built by superhuman gods with short pencils tucked behind their ears... 😉👍 In draughty brown sheds, using slide-rules and lathes, while drinking gallons of brown tea and smoking pipes stuffed with brown Rough Shag tobacco, and eating bland, unappealing, soggy foods in various shades of brown 🤢🤮 in brown cities like Enfield and Birmingham... The utterly splendid Lee Enfield bolt 😍🥰😊😘 is the direct result of those Engineers being surrounded by so many bad-to-mediocre brown things that they created something so perfect in every way as a very subtle "Up Yours" 😉🖕 to everything brown and shoddy in their environment, while maintaining the stiffest upper-lips imaginable, just because they could... And yes, I'm a (sadly, pitifully un-armed... 😕🙄😭) Brit 🇬🇧 who knows far too much about such shoddy brown things... 🙄

[@IWatchedWhat]

Ian, I hope you are saving all that brass and reloading it. I have built both an AR10 and a Remington 700 based 8.6 and I am loving them.

[@JohnCBobcat]

The rearward motion as primary extraction can also be found in the American Rifle Company "Archimedes" action. They use the bolt handle as a lever for primary extraction.

[@sealove79able]

A wonderful video and rifle and a very curious caliber too MrGJ.Have a good one.

[@asteroidrules]

A lot of interesting features in that bolt design. Now that I think about it I'm kind of surprised that there aren't more bolt action designs that fully shroud the bolt like that, all that really comes to mind are the dust and mud covers on World War era rifles.

[@freddiepreston3786]

Don't think its the exact same but that primary extraction method seems pretty similiar to the Denel NTW 20

[@Pocahonkers]

First thing I thought of myself when he said he hasn't seen something like that before. To be fair you could argue the Denel NTW-20 isn't just a hunting rifle...on the other hand you could also argue that an APC is just very big game.

[@fdr3898]

The BMS CAM rifle has the same system, and it has been around since the late '80s. Bloke on the Range has a video about it. The American Rifle Company Archimedes action also has the same system...

[@docmoreau7540]

So cool. I remember Ian talking about this weapon a while ago, iirc. glad to see he got it.

[@josephmadonia5995]

As a kid who grew up playing with GI Joe's and making bullet and explosion noises, I really appreciate your ricochet noise at the end haha. Cheers!

[@Jrez]

Would probably have been a good idea to put steel inserts or helicoils in the top of the receiver for the picatinny rail. Not that people expect to take their rails off all the time, but it will absolutely wear out sooner than you'd like, being aluminum. I get it's an added expense that a lot of people won't have a problem with for years (and the Aluminum incl. the threads may even be coated or hardened after machining), but I've seen that exact thing fail so much my inner machinist is a bit traumatized and paranoid about it now.

[@Totemparadox]

Actually a fair point.

[@ryanpeck3377]

Properly hardened Aluminum Pic rails have been used for many thousands of rounds and multiple scope changes over many years on the same rifle by the military without problem.

[@stevailo]

I’ve seen the bolt handle as a lever for primary extraction in some premium straight pull hunting rifles at a gun show recently, it was Blaser if I recall correctly. But again, it was a straight pull, so not too similar to this rifle, and it recocked the firing pin too if I’m not mistaken

[@ambivalentonion2620]

yeah the blaser r8 does do that

[@joshuacartwright9300]

The penatration of that cartridge is something to behold I was watching garand thumb do a ballistics gelly test with it and at 150yds it went through 3 16" blocks of gelly so slick it was amazing. Not to mention the report is virtually non existent

[@ErulianADRaghath]

That primary extraction reminds of the Denel NTW-20, which also uses a lever in the initial rearward motion of the bolt throw.

[@parrotraiser6541]

Q can fiz the magazine wobble in the short term with a shim on the front of the trigger guard, and in the long term by a small adjustment to the mould for the receiver. (Assuming that it's cast,which seems the most likely technique.)

[@enb3810]

I highly doubt they cast their receivers. It's probably 5 axis cncd.

[@Revener666]

Yeah taper lock... Ford used sparkplugs with that on their V4 engine in europe. Was so fun to get the sparkplugs out. Crank nothing nothing snap! and your hand hits the exhaust owie..... :)

[@ambivalentonion2620]

the british BMS CAM rifle also does its primary extraction with a rearwards movement of the bolt handle and that was designed in the late 80s and based around an ar15 bolt

[@lordlupusrex3781]

A less ghetto way to fix the mag problem is to buy stick on velcro. You cut a thin strip of the "soft" side of the velcro and stick it to the flat front part of the trigger guard, then take a lighter to it while dabbing it with your finger. It makes a stipple like texture pad and if you need it a little thicker do the same to the mag side👍

[@nicholascrespo9003]

Thanks for sharing! This is a very interesting platform, especially as a hunting rifle.