Lebron is Doing Things Jordan Could Never Imagine

Lebron James Is Doing Things Michael Jordan Only DREAMT of according to Gilbert Arenas as he and the Gil's Arena Crew discuss Michael Jordan vs Lebron James' legacy and how nobody is paying attention to what Lebron is doing for the Los Angeles Lakers in year 21.
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[@kenerlyy]

You can’t convince a Jordan fan nothing

[@abemickeygaming7742]

If you have to convince anyone anything then it probably isnt true because if bron was truly what yall say he is you wouldn't have to say it

[@siphillis]

Jordan fans love to tell you that the best basketball has already been played.

[@jkj03_]

@@siphillisit has😂

[@franciscoarroyo9402]

I tell you what, I will believe anything you say when any player in this league plays 82 games at age 40. By the way, the player needs to play 82 games at age 40 with a bad knee. When you find me a player that can do that, you have some credibility with us.

[@jkj03_]

@@franciscoarroyo9402 idk what that has to do with good basketball being played but good basketball will back one day when offense isn’t the only thing everybody mainly cares about

[@bjbola1899]

I understand what Gil is saying. We still judge Lebron like he is still 24.

[@thefreakyrobber0]

He just got swept, that's a fact not judging 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@SumRandomGuy1]

@@thefreakyrobber0 cause the 96 bulls are definitely beating the 2023 nuggets lol

[@bjbola1899]

@@thefreakyrobber0bro he is 39.

[@thetechconsultant]

@@SumRandomGuy1real quick, how old was Jordan on the 96 Bulls?

[@IllMatic97]

​@@thefreakyrobber0 so, what exactly was your point?

[@dbell0408]

The interesting thing is at the end of Jordan’s career when he was In Washington no one was expecting Jordan to deliver a championship. Lebron in his 21st year is still expected to deliver on a chip. Says something about how well he’s still doing.

[@tamiyarobinson1861]

He's supposed to because he's playing with Anthony Davis come on now

[@sneakyshorts11]

Do we really tho ? lmao

[@TheSet6145]

We knew MJ was on bad wheels...playing FULL SEASONS and going hard pretty much every game will do that so no no one expected a chip. What i wanna know is how is THIS man escaping Father time?? SUSPECT if you ask me However regardless of his longevity hes not on Jordans level...hes just a Great once in a lifetime player whos played like Mayweather picked his fights. Recruiting for HIS benefit offense flows through him but the only thing i see is him basically doing the same thing. I never saw him do anything ive never seen before from a player putside of longevity. MJ put a career of firsts..and all this Pippem Phil talk is deflected and DESPERATION. Why did he leave Miami?? He saw the writing on the wall unhealthy Wade severly unhealthy Bosh which Gil doesnt even touch. Ran back home to a pretty stacked cavs.... then he ran again to LA where HE blew up the young talent to get AD anyone denying that is a STRAIGHT STAN IDC what anyone says...hes great but hes NOT greater than MJ...

[@suntansuperman26]

That’s because LeBron still chasing Jordan’s rings, let’s be honest. By the time Jordan was done in Chicago he was already the most accomplished player accolades wise.

[@kwamebrownofficial]

I would've been an All-star but Jorbum ruined my career. Facts.

[@allemoney]

I agree with Gil. At this age, anything you get from a 38yr old player should be icing on the cake for a team. Instead he’s still the best and most consistent player on his team in a league that has only gotten younger, longer, more skilled, and more athletic as he’s gotten older. It would be unbelievable if we weren’t actually watching him do it.

[@BryantBrady-xy4yv]

Still has 6 finals losses

[@cyber6sapien]

If he's still the best and most consistent player on his team at age 39, then that's an indictment on his teammates.

[@eappleby9702]

​@@BryantBrady-xy4yvHe wasn't blessed to play in an era where he was the only Talented player. Jordan was blessed. I watched a finals game when Danny Ainge and Dan Majerle guarded Jordan. A local YMCA player would of did better in Jordan.

[@christurner2684]

Ain’t no way Jennings said that Wizards Jordan would average 40 today😂😂😂😂that’s WILD lmfao

[@MrJthompson40]

Easily they let you score at will in this NBA..

[@alexmotts]

​@@MrJthompson40please jordan scored because if you breathed on him they sent him to the line. Even majic joked about it on an interview. Foh.

[@Breezy999.]

He not wrong nba is soft and way easier to score now then it was. And yeah what wizards MJ was doing was basic Skills but he mastered every single fundamental and was cooking. And his iq was elite

[@jasonszeto7790]

Yes he would

[@ThedonofalldonsFla]

John Stockton the assist and steals leader in the MJ era ….Lebron played against everybody that’s elite

[@Ready4Wednesday]

I've watched LeBron from year 1 to now. Probably anywhere from 30 games to 70 games a year (not always the full game). I'm so happy I've enjoyed his greatness and didn't hate on it.

[@treykennedy8897]

Same, he really grew on me the more he became a man. His dedication is 2nd to Kobe, he's a great family man, and seems like a great friend. He may call himself King, but he has a humility that i dont think most giys would have in hos position. It's been really cool to grow up watching him grow up

[@lukelucky1311]

I mean I’ve seen an equal amount of games give or take you know but I don’t know what this hate is Fundamentally he is not sound he is actually below average His jumper is weak His handles are not what u would call stellar He FORCES his teams to play five out even when it reduces versatile all star bigs like Love and Bosh to be spot up three point shooters One time real quick what’s the weakest part of their games? Oh yea I watched basketball since 1988 so I can appreciate the athleticism and also call bs on the beyond fake narratives Sad reality James lost in 07 due to his lack of a jumper. He knocks down threes and the mid range the defense listens up opening the offense making them unbeatable He failed to win until he built the most stacked team ever by far Then went .500 It’s fair to say he under performed at every stop The guys top thirty all time maybe close to twenty Personally I wouldn’t take him under any circumstances cause he is to limited in how he can play.

[@MBM_Blizzy_YBMBMBK]

@@lukelucky1311he has literally scored more points than anyone ever has in the NBA you are delusional sir lol and he’s top 5 in assist complete opposite of “under performing”😂😂

[@lukelucky1311]

@@MBM_Blizzy_YBMBMBK when u ball dominate and you played the second most minutes ever In context James is less the five hundred minutes away from being the all time leader in time played so you don’t say as much shots as he takes he got a lot of points No kidding he also has way less turn assists then Stockton yet way more turn overs Ones a great passer and ones your queen

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@lukelucky1311 why did Jordan lose for the first 7-8 years?

[@dienauto4087]

When Bron retires, some will understand who he is and what he achieved.

[@novelaego2404]

lol

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

I think once he retires, it’s gonna be even worse for his so-called goat case and he knows it.

[@yoboyspadeiii8345]

I love to hear how Gil takes up for the legacy and the GREATNESS of LeBron James and bring LOGIC into play....👏🏿👑

[@SuperJoshuaWorld]

If he was using logic he would be saying jordan the goat

[@yoboyspadeiii8345]

@@SuperJoshuaWorld Not necessarily! Besides, Jordan Fans don't even RESPECT Jordan's opinions from a logical standpoint...

[@McFrappin]

WTF are you talking about?​@@yoboyspadeiii8345

[@cyber6sapien]

Gil and the word logic shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

[@amiga4everandever]

Gil is right, I can imagine MJ playing with Bosh and Dwade lossing to Dallas

[@dalecovercomedy]

If I were Lebron, I would play until age 50 and hold the all time scoring list for the next 300 years.

[@rashaddix8556]

😂 I feel you on that lmao

[@dadillonful]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@elig4056]

And every other record

[@Kleancuttmason]

Facts just to be petty 😂😂

[@mayjaaudio6539]

And tht still want make him the G.O.A.T.

[@71jlanier]

Jordan's lifestyle off the court wouldn't allow him to average 40 at 38.

[@fresh2def23231]

Cap

[@deonspinks]

In todays league!! Aint no bad boys

[@Dollaupt]

Who’s fault is that ?

[@unclericosfootballcamp2854]

What lifestyle?

[@j.baptistecl.5758]

​@@unclericosfootballcamp2854 staying up late gambling and eating shit food

[@cctaylor96]

Most of us in our 30s are blessed to witness A Jordan era and a Lebron era

[@newagain9964]

u didnt see much of the MJ era if ur in ur 30s rn.

[@72vince27]

I am 30.. I was 6 when the 2000 started. What Jordan era did I witness 😂

[@rapidshareag3962]

HaHa, but I can judge both as I am in my 40s!!!! I no longer have jordan as GOAT, God, or even top 30- I simply grew up!!!! It took for LeBron to win the Cleveland championship AND continue to get better around the halfway point of the 2016-17 season for me to realize that he would be THE GOAT if you had to be technical and petty- meaning, I don't like a single player to be head and shoulders over the rest (I used to group the top 8-12 together, my top 8-12- Wilt, Kareem, Magic, etc....), BUT NOW, LeBron has done so much since then, it has or will soon become a clear distinction (stats, milestones, honors/rewards, awards, postseason battles as underdog and against historic teams, leadership and extended peaks) where he has a definitive, doubtless separation from any other player in league's history!!!!

[@Moshuun]

@@rapidshareag3962Jordan not top 30 discredited everything you said.

[@rapidshareag3962]

@@Moshuun OVERRATED jordan shouldn't be in the top 10, HE'S THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE TOP 100 THAT NEVER EVER PLAYED ANY KIND OF HISTORIC TEAM IN HIS PEAK YEARS!!!! (IT WAS PIPPEN NOT BEING DEVELOPED AS THE REASON TO WHY THE BULLS DIDN'T WIN ANY CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!) THE REAL TOP 10 LIST 01) LeBron 02) Wilt/Kareem 03) Kareem/Wilt 04) Jerry West 05) Magic 06) Isiah 07) Bill Russell 08) Bird 09) Shaq 10) Giannis (to me, he moves up to the 8th spot if, after 2021-22, he has another 4 dominant seasons and wins 1 more championship as the lead alpha) * At these levels, rings mean little to nothing when separating the most elite of the greatest players, so notable runners-up that fall outside of the top 10 for me are: Dream, Big O, Elgin Baylor, Kobe, Kawhi, Durant, Malone, Dirk * I would put these players into the next tier: AI, D. Wade, Doc, Moses, Duncan, Walton, Pippen, Worthy, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Pistol Pete, Drexler, Barkley, CP3, Harden & Dame, Kyrie and Westbrook

[@casualenjoyer5420]

Gil is speaking facts - Jordan would still average 20+ today and would bust dudes (probably on great shooting splits) but the team would playing a much slower style of offense. Guys don't get 40 so often today because defenders have gotten that much worse in two decades, it's because the offensive game has exploded in pace and speed. The average possessions have gone up while average duration of possessions have gone down, the game is played so much in transition now. Young Jordan, Prime Jordan, '98 Jordan would thrive in today's league, but 38 year old Jordan had lost the stamina and durability to average 40 in today's pace after two years off.

[@seansimms6693]

I’m no LeBron fan but I can’t deny his Greatness, I was 30 when he came in and 50 now, my kids went from kids to adults with kids all the way James has been consistently putting up solid numbers while going 4-6 in finals, how is this not Greatness folks??

[@JumpOffHisNutts]

PEDs

[@wurrskie]

because people have emotional attachment when it comes to the goat conversation. honestly embarrassing

[@fresh2def23231]

Who said it aint greatness? We just saying he aint the goat yall get so emotional

[@TOoLoUd89292]

Ppl act like it's easy winning a title especially when you compare the teams LeBron went up against vs what Jordan went up against it's not even a discussion LeBron had to deal with way more hof star power than Jordan and he wasn't double as much as LeBron.

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@fresh2def23231what makes you not emotional?

[@KingdomSoldier]

Saw someone mention Lebron played less games per year. Yet he still has more points than anyone that ever played the game. He is the most efficient overall player ever.

[@shakalaka1477]

dont like 40 players these days average more than 20points in the NBA whereas in the 90's and 00's there was like 5-8 the game is so soft and refs are a joke defending is a joke if you arent european you have no pride for the jersey they wear anymore its a different league and not for the better

[@blanktrigger8863]

​@@shakalaka1477Players sucked at scoring back then. Dont why y'all keep pretending otherwise.

[@elsamurai1220]

@@blanktrigger8863 that's not true. It's actually the same if not more ppg back then. It's easier now for individual players to put up inflated numbers when the defense isn't allowed to touch the offensive player at all. Imagine players like Iverson or Kobe if they played today. They're both averaging 40+.

[@blanktrigger8863]

@@elsamurai1220 Keep believing that. I'm seeing old players and old fans claiming bad defense on defense that used to be considered good just because the shots fall. And that's especially true when it comes to 3pt shots. There's a reason why stars used to take so many shots: it's because no one else could score well enough. Now almost every player can at least hit the 3, contested or not, even in motion a lot of the time. Offense is simply better because scorers are better. You can tell this is the case because when teams have poor shooting nights from 3 they still have 90-110 games like the old days. It's when the 3 is failing that teams get up to 110-127-ish. So if players were as limited as they were back then, the scoring would be the same as it was back then. Kobe and Iverson also weren't efficient enough to average 40 ppg without tanking their teams. Without a good enough 3pt shot, you have average 2k MyPlayer type 60-65+ percentage shooting to average 40 without ruining your team.

[@elsamurai1220]

@@blanktrigger8863 Bruh, ppg are the same as it was back then. So teams scoring better now is just wrong. Also Kobe has 4 rings and Iverson took his bum team to the finals by himself and lost to Shaq and Kobe. If it wasn't for them, Iverson would be the only guard and player in NBA history to win an NBA championship by himself. Iverson also led the league in scoring 4 times and LeBron hasn't even done it once. So no, both Kobe and Iverson were efficient. But keep thinking this generation is somehow leaps and bounds better then the ones in the past when in reality it's just the same or less. This no defense era is inflating individual players numbers and hurting the integrity of the NBA in general.

[@Boss3Nate]

This is one of Gil's best takes ever... Also I thought I was trippin when he suddenly went from a t shirt and shorts to a hoodie and sweats with no notice... hahahaha

[@dennisgafford3224]

No cap had me like wtf 😂😂

[@Boss3Nate]

@@dennisgafford3224 hahahaha

[@VCashForever]

Kenyon is a great member of this show! He always on point

[@ardeleanalex6906]

Straight up

[@jopinscott1777]

Gil's right; Lebron's been so great for so long, and we're so used to it, we just take it for granted.

[@garygnu8775]

Gil is full of cap and contradictory

[@gastongonzalezjr.311]

@@garygnu8775what is wrong about that statement tho? Gilbert is right in saying that. i doubt we'll see another player be a top 5 player for 2 decades straight ever again

[@ldk8]

You cannot average 40 in todays NBA without a 3pt shot 😂

[@yung2o365]

Don't you dare bring up the only player in history to play 15yrs and have 9 seasons shooting under 30% and 2 more seasons they moved the 3pt line up and still say he can shoot lol. 11yrs is WILD, almost 70% of his career was trash behind the arc

[@garygnu8775]

@@yung2o365 he never needed that arc then...

[@garygnu8775]

@@yung2o365 Dreamer's point stands. Bron is trash outside of three feet.

[@powerinvolved-di3vl2yd6q]

Top scorers in the league are not even 3 point shooters B...

[@ldk8]

Because they're big men... MJ a smaller man than Embiid, quit playing

[@jusskb5844]

Thank you K Mart ive been saying this

[@OCBO2023]

Jordan was coming off the bench for a time period during that season. He couldn't keep up with those young guys for an entire season. He had to pick his moments. His biggest scoring games came against the weaker teams, like the Hornets and so forth.

[@PocketMr7901Ladray]

He scored 45 on the ecf champs 🤷🏽‍♂️ avg over 20 per game

[@sportstalkonly1442]

​@@PocketMr7901Ladrayand that's still not more impressive than lebron

[@PocketMr7901Ladray]

@@sportstalkonly1442I can’t tell you what you find impressive and vice versa , my comment was the inaccuracies of what I replied to

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@PocketMr7901Ladray I didn't say it wasn't impressive, I just said it wasn't more impress than lebron at the same age

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

Do you idiots know that the fact that you’re trying to argue about LeBron being 38 and 39 and comparing that to Michael Wizard years. Shows that y’all lost this goat argument along time ago? y’all just arguing about nonsense now 😂😂😂

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

“The man traded Rip Hamilton because Rip Hamilton talked about his knees” 😂😂😂

[@Polo22546]

Ayo! 😂

[@shrishv.official]

how he managed to diss pierce within the first minute is elite... and straight back to the point LOL he too funny

[@rhyministermc]

MJ accomplished scoring and defensive feats in his early years. He didn't just score. Rings aside, MJ was still a monster throughout his career.

[@cdalogdog]

They talking about age at 38 or 39 if what a player (MJ & LeBron) can do at that age.

[@micapalma9532]

@@cdalogdog players of today can manage to play as long as they want. load management and because nba is so different now.

[@cdalogdog]

@@micapalma9532 Yes. But there's still a different of this two players (MJ & LbJ) on how they played at that age of their career.

[@lebronechilds891]

They still don't get it mike was superior and the most fundamental player in NBA history he made his weakness his strength developed a shot that Bron try to emulate his shot

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

@@cdalogdog of course they have to talk about 38 and 39 because LeBron has never been better than Michael Jordan in their primes. Michael Jordan was the far superior player.

[@durantfan35ify]

The comp bron has faced compared to Jordan is just crazy. From Kobe,dirk,wade,dame,A.D., kawhai,Paul George an the list just keeps going of all the tough ass players he has played against an been great even the older players from the early 2000s

[@RudyDicka]

KD , KG, Kidd, TMac, Yao, Duncan, Carter, Harden, Westbrook.....

[@mondotooreal3498]

Steph curry Tim Duncan tony Parker Paul pierce Carmelo Anthony

[@mattehwbatiste4526]

When yall say comp vs Lebron, you're only talking about offensive players who play little to no defense. Jordan did not play against offensive weapons as Lebron, but the defensive upside of the era's are no competition. He didn't play against big soft let you go to the basket type of players. He played against big aggressive you better beware when you come into this paint type of players. Jordan would score more in this era because he was a great FT shooter. Lebron would score less in Jordans era because he would get fouled much more and can't shoot FTs.

[@slimes6129]

@@mattehwbatiste4526please shut up

[@bobbyjackson7325]

Which means Jordan was able to relax more on defense.

[@CWillGetWitCha_973]

👀👀 Watch how they try to discredit Gilbert like he didn’t play against BOTH of them

[@yenzooo]

Yeah but he’s obviously bias towards lebron, just like every other take he has on bron

[@_EYEQ]

​@@yenzooonaw he know bron like that he gave kobe 60 plus what do you mean??😂

[@yenzooo]

⁠@@_EYEQooh so since Paul pierce dropped 50 on bron and got fmvp on kobe, he know them like that too? Gils takes on bron are all biased af.

[@_EYEQ]

@@yenzooo thats a dumb ass response my guy. Paul pierce said out his mouth on him and kg pgodcast Bron is the goat u couldnt have missed it. Thank you

[@DMVCleaningGuy]

I say this every time lol. He actually was asked to bring in the era after Mike run with the wizards. So you know he got info and stories he will never tell lol

[@natejay82]

Jordan body was breaking down at the end and he had a ice pack on his knees every game. I’m a Jordan fan but it’s amazing how lebron is still going

[@chongyen7923]

Because lebron is playing in a much weaker era. Lol.. weakass cupcakes league

[@muteehall]

That’s because LBJ was on Peds

[@Northphilly-wu4oq]

Lebron been hurt on and off for the last 5 years Plus they really dont be playing defense. At least Jordan wanted to play all 82 games as a old NBA player

[@fullmetal1766]

Steroids

[@Legendary__1]

Because lebrones not getting touched ! It’s no physical anything! Lebron basically has a free pass to the bucket ! Don’t get me started lebron cool but let’s be honest todays NBA is soft

[@panafrican.nation]

If you wanna settle this, call someone who played in the Wizards with Jordan. Like Jerry Stackhouse

[@spoteylee3677]

One distinction always overlooked regarding Jordan playing now is most 2 guards and all small forwards are bigger faster and just as athletic a MJ in todays NBA. Jordan had superior athleticism in his era, today athleticism literally grows on trees and it’s coming with LENGTH! No more hornacheczs, kj’s, John Starks and So on.

[@Elgon-Teak]

Couldn't have said it better!

[@TellenJones]

Jordan played full 82 games 9 seasons. If today's players are so much better physically then why do they constantly ask for load management? Lebron for example played full 82 games only 1 time in his career. This video should be Lebron could never do the things that Jordan did, like winning a 3-peat.

[@suntansuperman26]

Jokic is slow and not athletic at all but killing all these athletic dudes

[@HasanMustafaa-en1tj]

​@@TellenJones. THE BULLS won a 3 peat. I think Scottie Pippen is 6-0 in the finals As well. So mj is not the Bulls. LeBron may not have had a good enough team to do it. But mj is not the only one to do it.

[@TellenJones]

@@HasanMustafaa-en1tj The closest scoring gap b/t Jordan and Pippen during finals was in 1991 when Jordan averaged 31 pts and Pippen 21. The widest gap b/c Lebron and his running mate during his 4 winning finals was in 2012 when Lebron averaged 6 pts more than Wade. So the most Pippen could contribute was still LESS THAN the least amount of support Lebron got from his running mate, and I'm ignoring Bosh & Love factors here for Lebron. You see it's just not close b/t Jordan and Lebron. Jordan won more while getting less help from his teammates. Jordan is simply better.

[@pkway9394]

Just as a basketball fan in general…. We take for granted Lebrons run… every year we’d say “okay it’s Lebron vs whoever comes out the west”. He had an entire conference locked down for a decade…. And I do agree that Jordan has sped up everyone’s timeline. They gotta win a ring asap. It feels like we as fans don’t allow players to develop

[@mayjaaudio6539]

I can't wait til Lebron retire.

[@eyewatch2see77]

@@mayjaaudio6539 you got a LONGGG wait Lebron will be in the NBA with BOTH his sons

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

We can throw the rings out, and Michael Jordan will still be the more superior player. The number show it, advanced analytic show it LeBron has never been greater in Michael Jordan so we can stop the conversation now.

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

@@eyewatch2see77 he better play as long as he can. That’s the only flimsy argument his fan boys are gonna make for him being greater.

[@JRos_22]

The difference it's that at 38 LeBron still scores using every move in his repertoire because his athleticism it's still there but Mike at 38 was mainly scoring from the post and in todays NBA he could get a few buckets like that with the better spacing but you can't beat teams scoring like that all game with teams taking 35 3's per game, LeBron can still do his thing because he's still a threat in the open floor and driving to the basket which breaks the defense and creates 3pt opportunities for his teammates, a post up doesn't do any of that so MJ wouldn't be able to take 15 post shots a game with a few mid range shots to avg 30.

[@yung2o365]

Someone with some logic.

[@TheTonytone77]

Iam not sure if ur retarded or not ...spacing helps players that drive and shoot midrange...not the other way around ..look at jokic he plays like a 50 year old stiff and slow ....he be destroyed bron and spacing .....old jordan would score atleast 10 more points agame

[@blanktrigger8863]

Old fans and players don't understand this, period. Jordan was averaging 30-35 before phil and pippen and couldn't get to the Finals. You can average a bunch of points by taking a bunch of shots and it'll do nothing but tank your tank your team if they're unproductive points.

[@birdbig1]

​@@blanktrigger8863Jordan's PER is better than Lebron. Wtf are you smoking

[@blanktrigger8863]

@@birdbig1 PER is a stat that reflects total stat gain. His better PER wasn't reaching the Finals because he was putting up a bunch of empty points.

[@drichardbailey]

Gil - "What did Kareem look like at 38?" Forgetting/not knowing that Kareem won Finals MVP at 38

[@sportstalkonly1442]

The only guy that can compare even remotely to lebron's level of play at this age. And definitely in the GOAT debate

[@JazzyJ5G]

Facts! 💯

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

@@sportstalkonly1442 the fact that y’all have to talk about LeBron at 38 and 39 years old when all he’s doing is stat padding . Who’s in y’all mine he lost this goat debate long time ago which wasn’t a real debate to begin with. Yeah, I’m trying to compare Michael Jordan wizard years to LeBron now, and Michael Jordan went to that team so he could own a team.

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

Of course, he won’t bring that up doesn’t fit his narrative.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@alltheworldsastage8597 lmao you can't compare because he doesn't compare. If lebron is stat padding wtf was jordan doing? U sound slow

[@benedictreyes8270]

Preached Gil preached!

[@sirreginaldiii8567]

I agree I’ve always said LeBron should be compared to magic IF ANYTHING, I don’t like to compare players I respect everyone’s greatness but I’ve always thought that LeBron plays more like magic and does it better than magic than he does compared to Jordan. LeBron is the magic Johnson 2.0 and Kobe was the closest thing we got to a Michael Jordan

[@mightywisdom88]

You know hoops, that's on point!

[@sirreginaldiii8567]

@@mightywisdom88 yessir used to ball for real for real back in middle school and high school so I always think like a hooper more than a fan, and ofc I’m wrong sometimes but that’s what’s fun about debating and picking other people’s brains you just gotta accept the facts and not be stubborn like some of these die hard fans

[@NicolasAlcalde]

He's really a Magic/Jordan hybrid, mixed with some Rodman or whichever elite/versatile defender you want to throw in. He can guard anyone on the floor while averaging 30/10.

[@Stopphating]

Lebron is 1 of 1, no need for comparisons

[@GeraldHarris-jg1zb]

I said the same thing lebron plays like magic they both tall and like to make their teammates better around them and Kobe more like Jordan how's he emulates Michael's basketball moves his attitude stuff like that

[@ballinhard8694]

Gil made a fair point on where were these stars at 38 years old but Kareem at 38 was still a monster in the 85 season 👀 so yeah him excluded

[@DeathWing572]

If he 2nd and all time scoring without shooting a lick of a 3 ofc he had similar longevity to lebron idk why Gil said that

[@poloking7906]

@@DeathWing572bc he can’t remember EVERYTHING 😂

[@poloking7906]

Big facts

[@leanchasersx]

So what if he looks good at 38. Go back two years. What was Jordan doing at 36? Winning his second 3-peat. Longevity doesn't mean shit if at your peak, you are way below the peak of the guy you're compared against. Lebron is great but he can't get to Jordan's heights

[@saplez]

Its just how ever way you want to say the bulls team was assembled, Jordan had way more freedom to be Jordan than Lebron being able to be Lebron. I mean the defense alone.@@leanchasersx

[@relwashere5121]

They didn’t “allow” MJ to be selfish.. he was just THAT good…

[@w.w.1348]

Gil said in his own words during an interview; Abe Pollin "brought me to the Wizards to make people forget about Jordan". That's why he got his contact with them. It told me everything I needed to know about his takes on Jordan.

[@thomaspressley6762]

That’s not a lie tho. Everyone gets replaced eventually. Even at your job when someone retires the bring in a new person with the expectation they can get productivity from until they can give what you are losing. SN: MJ wasn’t MJ in Washington he was JJ (Jeffrey Jordan. He left Mike in Chicago

[@suntansuperman26]

@@thomaspressley6762Washington used Jordan to sell tickets by telling him he would get the president role. Jordan himself said if he knew he wasn’t getting it he never would’ve agreed to play for them

[@Its_Domo_official]

Thank you Gil. Definitely needed to be said , fans get lost in the moment and won’t appreciate the king until he’s an owner

[@retireearlyandhappy3095]

Na MJ was GOD in the moment

[@Mamao419]

@@retireearlyandhappy3095NA different era for NBA

[@ezpz7482]

​@@retireearlyandhappy3095god of ballhogs 😂😂😂

[@CharlesManson-tr4uq]

Owner of what lmao. Once again chasing Jordan again to try be a owner 😂😂😂😂

[@ezpz7482]

@@retireearlyandhappy3095 God of retirement and ballhogging

[@lamarnelson9830]

Amazing analysis Gilbert hit the nail in the spot.

[@solodeus_rey8548]

I’ve never seen so many comments that start with “I’m not a LeBron James fan, but…”

[@antoniorodrigues5455]

Best talk i've ever witnessed. Gilbert honesty is hillarious. I like the ranking, 80´s Jordan (1), Bron (2), 90´s Jordan (3) and then Kobe (4). But let all witness History on very eyes and real time with Bron and no need to compare with no one.

[@YungKorn]

Gil be speaking facts regardless of others thoughts very encouraging

[@lokilucario]

People hate LeBron too much to ever treat him like they treat the other superstars. They'd rather find any reason they can to hate him cuz they don't like that Jordan has competition in the goat debate

[@315giants]

im saying tho he is the only superstar calling his self the goat u never hear mj sayn he the goat nor kobe or any other great they usually hype up they contemporary's

[@lokilucario]

@@315giants Jordan was constantly saying he's the best tf you talking about lol

[@Heemkeem_9]

@@lokilucariono he wasn’t lol

[@lokilucario]

@@Heemkeem_9😂🤦

[@Heemkeem_9]

@@lokilucario show the clip

[@MossBigWest]

Jordan is a 6’6 midrange slasher stop this “average 40” narrative this era of players are actually athletic tall and can move this ain’t Pat Ewing and them😂

[@Tonio5100]

I don't believe he'll drop 40 but SERIOUS question who would be able to stop Jordan at the basket with the lack of size at the basket in this era Jordan played in the era of the BEST bigs ever and this era lacks rim protection which is one of Jordan best strengths

[@quincytidwell5019]

And plays no defense 😂you think Jordan wouldn't be more athletic than he was back then

[@rameroyale5189]

Demar derozan is as athletic as MJ was, he was athletic playing against cokeheads and alcoholics in the 80s.

[@s0Lstar18]

@@rameroyale5189No he’s not. You don’t know shit about basketball

[@ClarenceBeeks64]

Jordan would hardly ever see these athletic tall players. They aren't even playing full 82 game season anymore despite having better travel, medicine, nutrition, and conditioning. 😂 For example how in the hell LBJ & KD haven't played each other in 5yrs as active players?

[@productivecitizen2066]

Jordan wasn't expected to win a championship in Washington!!! LeBron still expected to win chip every year!!💯 Rebuttal that!

[@humbertoacevedo5343]

Like lose 6 chips. Like get swept, like give up on defense and on his team, I must say he has the greatest longevity.

[@alectateformayor5129]

Never got swept in the first round like Jordan did. Twice

[@general5scooby382]

Jordan was taking 30+ shots a game

[@bigpoppa6658]

And your point is 💁🏿‍♂️

[@kennethgivens]

​@bigpoppa6658 he's gonna average 30+ if he takes 30+ a game. Even if he shot under 50% he would almost average 30

[@general5scooby382]

@@bigpoppa6658he didn’t average 30 with the wizards when he shooting 30+ shots

[@CC-gr7zv]

Cmon, he was avg 22 shots a game his first year with the wizards and 18 on the next. Look up stats before posting. Jordan never avg 30+ shots a game, the most was 28, that’s the year he scored 37 for the season. The bulk of his career has been between 22-24 field goals per game. During his prime years his fg percentage was around the 52-54 percent mark.

[@bigcurt7820]

Bro for these people to act like as slow as Jordan was he can run with these guys now IS CRAZY. THESE GUYS ARE HUGE AND FAST.

[@adgee5401]

Slow lol. You have to be in your 20’s

[@ryanhammonds919]

@@adgee5401compared to the younger guys at the time a 40 year old Jordan was definitely “slow.”

[@suntansuperman26]

Meanwhile Jokic who is slow af not athletic at all, killing all these big, fast dudes lol

[@sportstalkonly1442]

​@@suntansuperman26and jokic is in his prime not a 38 year old mj that can't shoot the 3.

[@suntansuperman26]

@@sportstalkonly1442 Still slow af tho

[@markwalker5543]

Lebron James is the greatest basketball player ever! He’s so great we have not caught up with his greatness yet! Think about it, every time this man scores a point he is literally rewriting history in real time. With that being said, “shout out to all the greats and the not so greats”, because at the end of the day it’s hard to be a professional anything, especially an athlete, no one should be put down for another. Let’s just look at all the ex-players highlights and enjoy them in their moments in the sun. I looked at all the people on your panel’s highlights. I came away with a greater appreciation for all y’all. We should do this for every great player. I wish there was more highlights of Wilt Chamberlain’s games. P.S. Also, we should stop discrediting players for not winning championships, basketball is a team sport, one great player alone can not win a championship you need a whole organization behind you.

[@mayjaaudio6539]

I "strongly" disagree.

[@jiveturkey1367]

Only 7 ppl agree with you 😂

[@sroland3533]

Wen you speak this way I hope you're not one of those who says wht has MJ Won without Scottie, bcse hey as much as they all bellow tht out LECHOKE has never WON a CHAMPIONSHIP with a meager team he has always had 2 other SUPERSTARS who has already proven themselves in the NBA.

[@redmanjohnson4616]

Lol not even top 5

[@k20ngpadrino8]

The scoring record will need be broken

[@antonioguglielmetti2661]

Jordan if not for his miniscus tear at 38, was an track to averaging 30 at 38 years old and had the wizards at the 4 seed. The man came out of retirement to make a team he owned better by playing himself

[@ck.standard]

Mike was being held together by tape and ego @ 40. You’ve gotta be on that good good to think Jordan on the wizards would’ve avg anything more than he actually did. This is so irresponsible.

[@GHOST91141]

😂😂😂 held together by tape & ego

[@landonforan8879]

He averaged prime Kobe numbers before he got hurt and had the wizards on pace to make the playoffs

[@bradgreer761]

@@landonforan8879he was averaging 25. Are you telling me prime Kobe was averaging 25? Lmao

[@fresh2def23231]

​@@bradgreer761yes in 2001 season prime kobe was aver 25..kobe aver 25 for a career. Bro you got Google just like us all

[@kdfan35]

@@fresh2def23231Prime Kobe was putting up 35 a night don’t disrespect Kobe like that 😂

[@eappleby9702]

I think this era is hated because Lebron is in it once he retires i think ppl will start respecting it cause the no defense comment is crazy Giannis Pat Bev Jrue Holiday Mikal Bridges Draymond Gobert Jimmy Butler etc all looking like "wait we do play defense"

[@CBoogie91]

Can't forget kawhi either, it's crazy how they change the narrative to fit their hate for Bron

[@eappleby9702]

@@CBoogie91 lol I was going to say Kawhi but old heads will say he never plays and that they didn't sit out games in their era

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

Why is LeBron "hated"? It has nothing to do with the things he says? It's easier to score now. Every Euro player acknowledges this.

[@eappleby9702]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 lol what did he say that was so bad? It's not easier to score now, the talent is just better.

[@thediseaseisthecure]

You're right, 7 players actually play D 😆😆😆

[@JayBrad_TLM]

Gil made a lot of sound and intelligent observations during this conversation. #JordanStillTheGoat

[@alphamalementality7105]

LeBron beat on Gilbert arenas so much he got the man 🥩 riding 💯🤣

[@coold4356]

So Gil just skipped past the 91-93 MJ. That version of MJ was just as good as the 80s version and with a 3 peat.

[@fresh2def23231]

He so trashhhhhh bro he just be talking

[@cameronno6039]

Gil says whatever to fit his narrative. He lied multiple times throughout this segment to help LBJ by doing the exact thing he claimed didn't happen to MJ. If MJ was never criticized for not having rings, where did the "Scoring champion can't win" narrative come from? Further, LBJ left CLE after losing in year 7. His first ring came in year 9 after losing the year prior in MIA in a fashion we NEVER saw from MJ. The 7 year narrative was a thing to keep LBJ on pace to pass the standard bearer at the time (MJ). It was not a moving position. It's been LBJ-stans (and his media team) that are constantly moving the goal-post which is their only way to "surpass the ghost."

[@noleyestoad4477]

@@cameronno6039 smart people know what’s going on! It’s just sad MJ did so much and they tryna lie about it to cover lebron shortcomings I don’t get it MJ 3peated 2wice that’s it enough said!

[@fresh2def23231]

@@cameronno6039 exactly

[@Dipset415]

@@noleyestoad4477this is the main reason why lebron is hated so much🤨

[@Freshgrass524]

If Jordan sat out half the season like Lebum he might still be playing 😂

[@roderickwhetstone7902]

He sat out 3 years and didn’t. So what’s your point

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

​@@roderickwhetstone7902He retried at 35 after completing 2 3peats. Retiring and load management are two different things. It's much harder and isn't beneficial to comeback to a sport after being gone for significant time.

[@roderickwhetstone7902]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 who’s fault is it that mj kept retiring. Nobody but mj

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

@@roderickwhetstone7902 Who said it was anyone's fault? Jordan retired on top in 93 & 98. Then retired when he was 40.

[@kylonp7311]

@@roderickwhetstone7902Yeap retired 2x after he 3peated 2x who’s fault is it lebum couldn’t 3peat like goat jordan 🤡

[@twon1357]

Gil that's crazy..now we playing the commercial 80s MJ vs 90sMJ....

[@a-trainbeastmode5300]

My son was 2 when LeBron came into the league. He’s 22 now finishing up college. Let that sink in!

[@CommonNotCommon24-7]

Gil we use to be at MJ neck about not having a ring before he ever won 1. Gil be the main person saying "older generation like to move the goal post when it Lebron to discredit him" this whole episode Gil moved the goal post to discredit MJ and Kareem smh

[@vernonLV]

Mj played 82 games. Let's see, Bron, do that at 40

[@Sports-media180]

That’s with the PED use.

[@vernonLV]

@@Sports-media180 they have stronger stuff now

[@SummerAwe99]

let lebron retire for 3 years...

[@Westbrook__]

"It's easier to get buckets now" no it isn't. The reason it seems easier is because new players have offense so great that even good defense can barely stop it. Jordan had the offense for 80's - 00's. His offense would get shat on in today's league. And that's not a bad thing. Its' just he had the offense that was great for his time but now players can do that AND more. With greater accuracy and efficiency. Like bro today's players are better scorers than Mj. I know it's a shock, but they are. They're stronger, they move faster, defenders move faster and stronger, their shots are more efficient, the play speed is faster, etc etc. Jordan's scoring was amazing for his time but these mfs are on a different level now.

[@cbournes100]

Gil 100% correct..

[@Themayseffect]

Lebron hasn't played 60 games per season in over 6 years. And only played a full season once. Jordan played 82 games per season 9 times and on his final year. And to say LeBron couldn't ball hog compared to MJ is fruitless because his APG average is barely higher than MJs.

[@MKL3165]

That's actually a good point and should be included in the Convo. That dude miss hella games.

[@Themayseffect]

@@user-if7yg2hs3q i don't understand what you're trying to say. If you're talking about LeBron, like i said, he only played 2 seasons over 80 games, most of his career he's averaging less than 70 games.

[@Themayseffect]

@@MKL3165 right, but to be fair he's still played well over 100 more games than MJ as of now.

[@MKL3165]

@@Themayseffect tbh I will admit LeBron has a argument just as much as mj does. Believe me I'm not completely against the idea of LeBron being the best ever.

[@Themayseffect]

@@user-if7yg2hs3q you right, I'm wrong. I looked again and he did indeed play more than 70 games per season. But the point still remains he is not ending his career playing a significant amount of games and he has missed more games than Jordan has per season.

[@countryboystretch]

It Got QUIET⚠️ When They Mentioned “Kareem🔥” … #RESPECT❕💯👌🏾

[@ryankissee4333]

Gil loves to talk about mentality. Just imagine roles were reversed and Jordan came in the league chasing Lebron’s records. My point is Jordan really had nothing left to prove at the end of his career and had no motivation to continue playing at an elite level. Also, training and recovery technology had massively progressed from 1985-2002 to 2003-2023.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

He could've chased all he wanted to but there's a reason he retired after 5 deep playoff runs. So that's a moot point.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

It wouldn't matter of he had the motivation or not. If jordan could've played that good at that age he would've. U jordan fans love hypotheticals

[@aaronroberts616]

Thank The basketball Gods for agent 0

[@adayala2006]

Yeah right, MJ in year 15 was 2 years older than Lebron in year 21, with early 2000's defenses. You CANNOT compare

[@sportstalkonly1442]

U can't compare because lebron came into the league at 18 years old. He was good enough to come in straight outta high school. Jordan wasn't. Furthermore compare 2018 lebron to wizards jordan. That's a wash. You're right u can't compare because jordan simply doesn't compare.

[@Riddick_Group_Collections]

LeBron could never imagine 3peating twice!!!

[@Original94]

Of course not in a better more talented era

[@obiwanyutuben]

Gil understands this completely.

[@mikhailsubero4323]

Jordan in todays game not averaging 40 at 38 fuck what Jennings talking bout

[@PoppaDoc87]

It doesn’t matter what Lebron does from here on out. To a lot of people he removed himself from the GOAT convo when he lost in the finals and moved to South beach. People are invested in the myth of MJ and the hatred of Lebron.

[@blackestvex2921]

It's not hate. No one told him to do " the Decision. " No one told him to get on that stage like they was a rap group talking about not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6...He was RIGHT by the way. Then get, on arguably his BIGGEST stage of his career ( 2011 Finals ) Not only choke, but run and shrink from the moment. No " GOAT " in ANY sport, I've ever watched, did that. That's not hate, hyperbole, emotion, ALL that happened. He's great, but he ain't the " GOAT. " Not for me.

[@cenvalleybasketball]

So you're the one invested? 😂 you're the only one that alluded to something as a myth and hate😂😂

[@ClarenceBeeks64]

Took 3 teams to get 4 rings. 😢

[@philminor2880]

The guy used roids be accused twice FOH yall so desparate to like a guy who cheats the game

[@yungesjosef]

@@philminor2880y’all just desperate in general. Y’all mad at grown men for not worshipping a man because y’all do. Jordan fans are fucking weirdos

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

“How sensitive do you have to be about your knees for you to trade a whole human being”

[@ucanhitme]

he took that personally

[@alexliu6012]

JORDAN AT AGE 40 CANNOT AVG 40 IN TODAY'S LEAGUE, WTF! A PRIME TIME LUKA CAN ONLY GET 33 WTF ARE THEY SMOKIN

[@chrisheadley1222]

Jordan legit looked his age with the wizards

[@llkla4507]

ppl don’t realize after 98 mike was literally in his prime .. pippen was on a bad back .. rodman was on the downhill of his career and they were underdogs for the first time .. after that season he retired cause he wasn’t chasing anyone or anything .. he set the golden precedent which still hasn’t been replicated .. in 2018 i said that bron gon break every stat record in history chasin those same rings mike got 😂

[@sportstalkonly1442]

What about the rings Bill Russell got?

[@alltheworldsastage8597]

@@sportstalkonly1442 well here’s the problem. If you tell a LeBron fanboy that Bill Russell deserves to be in the goat conversation they won’t buy that either so stop bringing up Bill Russell. Apart from Michael Jordan being the more superior player than LeBron James. He changed the paradigm of winning. Before Michael Jordan you needed a big man and a great guard to win multiple championship, but especially a big man he completely changed that paradigm. He got criticized that you couldn’t win championship with his style of play. He won 6 3 repeat both times.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@alltheworldsastage8597 and he did it vs weak competition. The only reason Bill russell is brought up is because ring logic dumbass. Which lebron fans don't use. Having more rings does not automatically make u a better individual player otherwise you'd have Bill russell as your goat. I mean how slow are u

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@sportstalkonly1442 Michael Jordan didn’t just win 6 rings ; he was the best player on both teams in every championship he played so better than Magic, Pippen, Barkley, GP, etc. He didn’t get outplayed by a sixth man in the Finals like Lebron. He didn’t shoot 44% from the field as a starting center like Bill Russell.

[@Kingstyles05]

When Jordan was getting scoring titles, he was leading his team to be competitive for titles. He also had to do what he did because it was necessary for his team to win.

[@barrichardson5002]

Lmaoo jordan led the league in missed shots 7 times chasing scoring titles🤡🤣 got swept twice in the first round lost 3 times in total he lost twice in the second round twice in 3rd lol all these scoring titles didn’t comes with rings🤡

[@wnnfrhrw4452]

​@@barrichardson5002 6 Scoring Titles came with rings, even with a perfect Finals Record.

[@khleung1306]

Despite all these still got more rings? How is that even possible right?

[@barrichardson5002]

@@khleung1306 more rings than bill Russell?? Who did he beat?? Charles Barkley?? Gary Payton Clyde drexler? ? 🤣🤣🤣 get off your knees 🍆 eaterr by the time jordan won his first ring Larry bird was 34 with back problems everybody knows he owned jorfraud

[@DeshawnHamer-ut3np]

Despite all that mj never faced finals competition like lebron be clear here bro

[@MiguelGonzalez-nx6gn]

"87 Jordan, Lebron, 90's Jordan, Kobe" lmao couldnt have said it better bruh

[@user-yr7kt2du5j]

I like Gilberts analysis and takes

[@mical2great]

People dont give Lebron credit at 21 years old carrying a ymca legend team to the NBA finals but instead they hate and bring up he got swept by a team with 3 HOFers😂😂. So at age 38 while NOBODY wondered if jordans wizards would win a championships theyll kill lebron if he doesnt win one

[@teddyanderson4938]

U act like he had bums on that team

[@CC-gr7zv]

It wasnt that bad of a team, it was impressive for sure. IMO, one of lebrons most impressive parts of his career even though the East had the lesser conference than the west during those years.

[@OneManGSG]

@@CC-gr7zvis the east lesser now?

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

The 07-Cavs had the number one defense in the Playoffs. The 07-Cavs gave the same offensive production that 91-Bulls gave Jordan in the Playoffs. He played two injured 41 win team and 53 win team led by C.Billup. We already saw AI and Kidd do the same thing in the 00s East than Dwight did it in 09. Jordan joined a provety franchise at 38. Jordan didn't have a AD or Westbrook. Ya'll better be grateful Jordan didn't have LeBron mentality and join Dirk in Dallas like Cuban wanted.

[@CC-gr7zv]

Yes, they are. But what’s the point?

[@JuanMedina-ml1qx]

People only look ant the point average with the wizards but they don’t realize he shot like 41% fg and like 23 from 3 in 2 years with the wizards

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

That was after his meniscus tear. He was avg 25-6-5 on 43% around Kobe and McGrady percentage around that time. Jordan was an early frontrunner for MVP and had the Wizards 26-21 at All-Star break. Today Era is far easier to score in. LeBron still dosent have a consistent outside shot. Wizards Jordan injury free is cooking and winning chips with AD and Westbrook.

[@PrinceHbk08]

Also shot 18% from 3 the first year 💀

[@sportstalkonly1442]

​@@sideshowbobsaget8876bro just stop the d riding. Wizards jordan was not better than lakers lebron. Lebron averaged 30 8 and 6 with ad and Westbrook on that team and missed the playoffs. How tf would jordan win with that when he wasn't even close to being capable of putting up those numbers

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@sportstalkonly1442 Simply because MJ isn’t a ball dominant player taking away the role of another ball dominant player ( Westbrook) so the fit would likely be better. Lebron missing the playoffs with AD and Westbrook and going 33-49 hurts his case not the other way around lol. Only a Lebron fan could spin that as a positive lol. Literally worse than what MJ did with Richard Hamilton lol.

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@sportstalkonly1442 Are you saying Lakers Lebron is better than Wizards MJ or his teams were better than Wizards MJ? The answer is yes to both and that’s because Lebron joined LA at age 33. The equivalent for MJ would be 1995-96. 1995-96 MJ is easily better than any. Version of Lakers Lebron. MJ joined Washington at age 38. Not comparable. As far as teams, Lebron joined a 35-47 win team that added AD. MJ joined a 19-63 team that got rid of Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse the next year. None of their situations are remotely comparable.

[@MightyJo3]

Gil speaking the truth

[@eliasarechiga1927]

I finally agreed with Gil at the very end.

[@josiahgoshert5023]

The problem that Gil is addressing he is doing himself. He is saying there is a double standard for Jordan, so thats why people don't have him over Lebron. But he's saying Lebron is better. So if Jordan having 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 10 scoring titles, DPOY, etc. doesn't make him better than Lebron, how does it make him better than Kobe, Steph, Duncan, Kareem, Shaq, Bird, or Magic?

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Because he's individually better than them all except lebron.

[@mikejones1765]

@@sportstalkonly1442😂😂

[@josiahgoshert5023]

@@sportstalkonly1442 Based off what? The only thing LeBron has over MJ is stats, and MJ didn't play for the stats, he played to win.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@josiahgoshert5023 and jordan didn't win the most. if it's about winning alone bill russell is the goat, he won 8 straight and 11 in 13 years but I don't see u arguing for him.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

@@josiahgoshert5023 stats are individual, championships are not.

[@johnspeights69]

Your right about that, bouncing from team to team trying to stack the deck and he's still not winning, 4 rings in 21 years and they still crying that he doesn't have enough help.

[@michaelsilmon3209]

When is the last time, that LeBron has played 82 games???? I'll wait?????

[@Smartphone-fw6fv]

Respect girbert your a hall of famer and what you sayin is true bro

[@n.dewayneb9258]

Gil is spot on. As soon as Kobe aimed at personal achievements and individual accolades, he was labeled selfish. It def makes a huge difference when you are able to come in the league with the triple green light. And no way slowed, un-athletic, pump-faking Wizards Jordan is averaging no damn 40 ppg

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

People are really underrating defense in todays nba, it's not played in the regular season but they play hard in the playoffs and it's tougher than ever to play good defense because of the rules.

[@ReachxGames]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 and if teams really believed that he could they double him to get the ball out of his hands. The defense might not be as physical as it’s was 20+ years ago but it’s definitely smarter.

[@ClarenceBeeks64]

James Harden average 35pts by foul baiting. The league will let the GOAT MJ get away with murder in today's game at 40yrs. LBJ is averaging 57 games a season games since he joined Lakers. He knows how to protect his scoring averages 🤣

[@CrushWildman]

Last night lakers nuggets had great stretches of defense from both teams

[@fresh2def23231]

​@@CrushWildmancap it was horrific

[@donaldb93]

One thing they didn’t talk about is Jordan injuring his knee that first year he came back at 38 he was dominated and still had a quick first step

[@tonybryant7823]

Dominate is a STRONG. Word

[@Juntao1989]

@@tonybryant7823he DID DOMINATE, was averaging like 29/6/6 at that point

[@ScoutsHonor.]

Give me one Jordan flaw.

[@pwehDuraSaFace]

@@tonybryant7823 he did. he was 26/6/5 2tls... knees blew out and wizards didint made the playoff. they were the number 1 def team at that moment if im not mistaken and on the way to a playoff trajectory.

[@youngfabb4200]

He put up pointless points losing every game shooting 30 times getting 30 points then the next year was coming off the bench.

[@donavonedwards1512]

As far as the longevity conversation

[@puidemare2337]

Like flopping, pretending to be a social justice "activist," needing days off, wearing a "case" after losing the finals, whine about injuries, recruiting hall of famer players, etc? Yeah, MJ would never dream of doing those things.

[@BeingJermaine]

Jordan was different no matter what year you picked

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Not at age 38. Lmao lebron smoking him.

[@seanfraser8456]

I know he didn't say kobe wasn't "allowed" to be selfish. Stop it. Everything he did was to be like mike, so he was definitely trying to score like mike

[@michaelharris1254]

Mike won 10 straight scoring titles while taking the most shots by far each season … Kobe wasn’t able to duplicate that lpl

[@seanfraser8456]

@@michaelharris1254 kobe literally said he did not trust his teammates, so he was pulling.

[@michaelharris1254]

@@seanfraser8456 he played wit smush Parker and Kwame Brown lol

[@seanfraser8456]

@@michaelharris1254 he only played with 2 players? I think he also played with shaq, Derek fisher, rick fox Robert horry, Paul gasol, there's others. He also won 5 championships.

[@quentincassell840]

Naw he was getting criticized when Shaq got traded. The media and fans was saying he can’t win without shaq. He was dropping 40 and 50 consistently and being an 8th seed

[@mikecarroll9110]

people forget how much more people got beat up at the rim years ago , LeBron wouldn’t be in the same condition if you played in the same error . if Jordan played in LeBron‘s era, side-by-side without taking time off because of his father‘s death, or I should say, murder, and without trying a new sport, there’s no way LeBron would’ve kept up with MJ.

[@Lesssvav]

The most unbiased truth is this: You have to defend Lebrons legacy WAY more than you have to argue Jordan’s. That’s not even close lol only thing Lebron has is longevity.. I wonder why he’s guarding that so closely 😂👀

[@adrianalex27]

At the same age, jordan played 82 games.

[@chu2ks2dfutur]

The thing about this GOAT thing across all sports is that it loses validity because of eras. The era now has gained massivley from the era preceding it. The technology that has aided the enduring physical health and longevity of players was thought of in the previous era. There's a story from a player about Lebron in high school and the diet he was on, the fitness regime he undertook, and that was because of pros like Jordan doing it, and it trickling down to high school coaches and players. So those high schoolers already had the jump physcially before they got into the league. It's the same in many team sports. And there's no way to level the playing field across eras. Lebron and Jordan are both great, why can't it end there?

[@yoshimixsu]

this how i see jordan is the goat if you look at any list lebron is top 5 most the time jordan is no lower than 2 even on bron fans list

[@8CSKN8]

Exactly. Anything modern is usually better than what preceded it by virtue of evolution, so any comparison is unfair. The iPhone 15 is better than the original iPhone in all aspects, but if the original was never invented, then the 15 doesn't exist...

[@leanchasersx]

​@@8CSKN8 You have a point but no. You compete against your pairs. One guy is who every team build their roster to beat while Lebron builds teams to take on other teams. One guy is the juggernaut, while another guy even when he built a super team, still got his ass whooped by a One man team. One guy got swept in the conference finals with another super star on his team. One guy never made the finals get to a game 7. One dominated the league once he got another star player. One guy has been up and down even with 2 other Allstars on his team. One guy needs recognition for still playing well at age 38. Go back to years earlier and you will find a guy who won his 2nd 3-peat at age 36. One guy got crowned by the fans as the goat. The other guy is trying to crown himself. One guy didn't load manage when the game was tougher. Yet another guy load manages in an Era when the game is softer. Yet some people want to ignore this and crown him king. Dude has been load managing since he got to the lakers. Like wtf. You don't get credit for that. Dude is literally load managing to stay in the league longer and break longevity records. Dominance is what makes you goat. If you aren't who everyone is coming after year after year, how the fuck can you be the goat. For about 5 years GSW was what teams aimed to beat (not Lebron and his team). Even after lakers won that lame bubble championship, teams still did not see them as the team they needed to build a roster for. Name any 3 year period Lebron has played in where every year, his team was what others aimed to beat. That was Bulls led by Jordan ever since he got Scottie until he retired from Bulls in 98. Lebron is not the fucking goat and even the league shows you that.

[@marcelsansalone3829]

Yes and no to the longevity thing. No1 else is doing what Lebron is doing longevity wise. Even his contemporarys that came in at the same time as well as later. He's now the oldest player in the league and is still great and efficient, in year 21 lol

[@user-eh7lw5rx4b]

​@@leanchasersx​I definitely see your point, but what I think your comparison fails to account for (and would weaken this argument immensely) is that Jordan got to the finals only 6 times in 13 playoff appearances (compare that to Lebron's 10-16) and Lebron has won rings with three completely different teams. Winning with the same formula over and over again, while still very impressive, is objectively less difficult than doing it with different teammates, coaches, and environments each time. It's not just longevity that makes Lebron so great, in fact to say that is ignoring all of what he's accomplished. Lebron was the best player in the league for over a decade, and continues to live up to the pressure and expectations that are set on him (Jordan was always the NBA's cherished star throughout and after his career).

[@flacostacks9666]

Gil is making sense actually

[@hollywood4012]

And im doing shit Martin Luther King couldn't even imagine 😂😂😂

[@jefffeathers9116]

MJ at age 40 played in every Wizards game and averaged 25 points per game

[@jamanwashington9478]

Story lying bro. He average 21pts a game lol

[@Yucki3]

He didn’t average 25 and even if he did. Remember niggas use to scream the east is weak. Who was his competition?

[@yung2o365]

He avg 21 bruh... didn't even get a single vote from the coaches for the All-Star game stop the lies

[@petegonazalez23]

And never made the playoffs after 98.

[@luhmax_]

no way you sittin up here lyin like this😂

[@MrTwms838]

Question for Gil...put Jordan on those Miami teams that went to the Championship four years straight, and what is the outcome? Lol Gotcha😂😂😂

[@trusoule365]

I love how Gilbert arenas neglected the fact that Michael Jordan not only played offense, but continued to play defense at a high-level. Michael Jordan also played 82 games most of his seasons if not close to that. There was no I need to take a break. And we all know that the rules are completely different and why is that because Michael Jordan set the standard that everybody else is trying to catch. And if I were to look around the people having this discussion do I see LeBron James shoes on their feet or Jordans 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@yoursportsnow9729]

No team is going to sit and watch Jordan in the post today. The game is not played like that anymore, he'll mess up the teams he's on trying to play that post game.

[@rayshonrichardson8823]

Say it louder 🎉

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

That's a lie. Joker and LeBron don't go to the post? Embiid dosent post up? Post is also used to get off ball action, it dosent have to be just for scoring.

[@yoursportsnow9729]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Joker goes in the post naturally because he's 7ft. Goofy. And the post is neither of their bread and butter. The post is Jordan's bread and butter and he's going to post up and try to get his fadeaway 80 percent of the time, no SG in today's game would survive playing a post game. You have to be able to move around and shoot 3s at a high clip. Like Gil said 80s Jordan would do his thing but not 90s Jordan even though 80s Jordan didn't shoot 3s he couldn't be guarded.

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

@@yoursportsnow9729 Jordan is one of the GOAT post players, no Coach isn't going to exploit that. Jordan was also the Bull best post player and played in the triangle. Jordan was never in the post 80% of the time. Where are you getting this from? Jordan was an elite passer, playmaker, slasher, off-ball, catch and shoot, etc. Jordan was never reliant on one thing. Jordan mastered the game. Booker, DeMar, Jimmy, etc. And none of those dudes compare to 90s Jordan.

[@kylonp7311]

@@yoursportsnow9729the post wasn’t jordan bread and butter 🤡 he has 10 scoring titles and has the highest ppg in the regular season playoffs and finals which means he gets buckets from all around the court 🤡 Man U kids today are dumbbb as hell