Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating The Laziness of NBA Defense

[@davidmeza3157]

McCants hasn't worn the "rusty crown" since Swaggy P clowned him for it 🤣

[@EliDSage]

About time lol

[@blackcurlmagicgrey-sloan8640]

THANK YOU NICK.

[@tommyisdaboss]

What episode was that ? i gots to see that

[@EliDSage]

@@tommyisdaboss the nick young episode it streamed a month ago

[@michaelbenjamin504]

@@EliDSageHeading there after this. Lol

[@tehdood]

Gil mentioned the difficulty in having these, um, discussions, without a whiteboard and that would actually be a pretty cool thing for the crew to have from time to time. I really enjoy when everyone gets into nitty-gritty details but sometimes even they can't follow each other and it would be great to have some sort of visual. Doesn't need to be a computer thing - put a whiteboard off to the side that they can wheel in when they want it.

[@christian0925]

I agree, they should do a whiteboard segment and breakdown offensive and defensive would be awesome

[@quietsilence3327]

That would only solidify how dumb McCants is about discussing basketball.

[@willxkingmusic]

Haha to be fair, Rashad is entertaining even if he is wrong. They are in the business of entertainment, not education and most people don’t really care who is right. We just love to hear them argue 😂

[@nickmurray2236]

San Antonio vs heat. Golden state vs cavs. The whole word saw Gil’s point being proved

[@DonVDaArtist]

They killing Gil with this take tho.....all defense is, is effort...and YOU DONT SEE THAT ANYMORE

[@itskai253]

It’s crazy because when Gil was talking about phoenix suns offense he never even brought up how Grayson Allen is shooting the best 3pt percentage in the league. You literally cannot play defense the same way as 15-20 years ago

[@joshuamccall8043]

They also didnt let the offenses get away with travels, carries, and illegal screens 15-20 years ago.

[@legorovers9838]

@@joshuamccall8043yeah instead they had illegal defense rules which allowed u to have complete offensive liabiliteies on the floor and the offense still be able to function. in todays game u realistically dont function as an offense with more than one non shooter unless ur like the warriors

[@kenyonmckee2268]

@@joshuamccall8043half the stuff ya call traveling is ya not k wing the game it’s way more advanced now

[@joshuamccall8043]

@@legorovers9838 illegal for today legal back in the day. They should go back to defense being able to stay in the paint.

[@joshuamccall8043]

@@kenyonmckee2268 ive been watching the game since the late 80's. The gather step with two additional steps would be called for traveling. The moving screen would be illegal All those hesi would be carries. Half the shit they do in the nba you cant do in college, hs, and middle school.

[@5pazz]

“Every team doesn’t have shooters like the phoenix suns” while literally every team has 4 shooters on the floor at all times 🤣🤣

[@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408]

Warriors be having shooters on the court and I literally see teams live with a klay 3 over a Steph 3

[@5pazz]

@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 facts.. but the point is, just cause a guy doesn’t have a “name” doesn’t mean if you leave him open he’s not going to scorch you for 6 or 7 lol

[@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408]

@@5pazz I believe teams had that back in the day but it was considered Harlem globetrotterish to chuck a bunch of 3s up, They didn’t have as many as today but they had like 80% of the shooters, like Steve Kerr might only average 4 attempts when he played when today he would average 10, but teams absolutely will allow the 3rd or 4th option to beat them other than the 1st option

[@5pazz]

@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 there were GUYS sure, it was called being a “3 point specialist”. And you’re correct they didn’t let them let it fly, nevertheless that furthers my point because now EVERYONE can shoot.. the days of packing the paint and laying off waiting for drivers is over because you have to respect all 5 players most of the time.. that was never the case back then

[@Mr.matthewRiley-rg5ig]

And still lose

[@kdntelly7693]

Gils whole defense point has been mine for years now, help defense isn’t seen as much in the lane bc you have to guard the perimeter at all times now, no more 2 bigs clogging the lane for help

[@thetrib1]

Most teams In the 80s and 90s had 2 shooter shooters on the entire team. And probably only relied on one because the other one was so bad at defense. To where today there aren't even that many 3 point specialists in the league. Most offenses have players that are versatile. So when a player does rotate from one side of the court to the other to stop a catch and shoot opportunity, the 3 point specialist of a decade ago wouldn't have been able to attack the close out. In today's game Most guards or wings can attack the close out. It's so much harder today on defense

[@tittieman6294]

them niggas still shoot trash so its stupid every playoffs these teams get abused cause of lack of shooting

[@TA-ht4jo]

The point that Sheryl and Rashad have been mine for years. Players don't want to do all the defense work because it's more difficult to play defense today. So the players just give up.

[@drechillin2154]

Or they can just hand check and go back to physical play they had teams with full shooters back then too but come playoffs it didn’t work

[@D3liveringChaos]

@@TA-ht4jonot true. It’s just really difficult to play 80s and 90s defense today. For example you have the Thunder when Cason Wallace or Isiah Joe is on the floor with the starters, you have 5 people in the game who shoot 38% from 3 or better. You pre-rotate to stop the roll or you drop to cut off the midrange for shai and there is a plethora of threes and drives available. Shai throws it to Chet on the wing, your team rotates. Chet can beat the rotation of the dribble, now you’re in scramble mode. Chet from here can pull up a middy, post up, or dish to opposite corner. Point is when everyone can shoot, pass, and dribble, you cannot stay true to old principles because offense gets too easy

[@lightskinlantern]

Mccants started walking into them bullets lol

[@jamalmitchell5797]

When gil said maybe if you shut the f*** up and let me say it.....right so you was at the 2....after Mccants went on that rage lol my stomach hurts again😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@redconsciousness2090]

this is the best discussion that has been posted on this channel. I enjoyed it full

[@conorgardiner3284]

The old school game plan is to force players to shoot long jumpers. The modern NBA is about protecting the perimeter. The game has changed and the shell defence, split line help is never going to be effective in today’s NBA.

[@str8duval]

No teams would still rather you shoot a jumper than a lay up so that part hasn't changed

[@jaeslice1012]

If what ur saying is correct then they just haven't figured out how to defend then basically in this day ... cause it sure seems like most teams can't play defense not all but most

[@str8duval]

@@jaeslice1012 harder to play defense with the amount of shooting and spacing on the floor

[@conorgardiner3284]

Yeh I think this is the common misconception. NBA teams actually have figured out how to defend. Uncontested or corner threes are the most efficient shots on the court so defences are designed to limit these shots whereas from 1960-200 the most effective shot was the layup or show within 5 feet so defences were designed to limit those.

[@RealBreakBreadFilms]

As long as you have active players on defense, that understand the basics of basketball and that is to get the ball as close as you can to the basket, in order to get the highest percentage of scoring, basic basketball will get you chips... Shout out to the Spurs DYNASTY... Shit, STEPH ain't gonna hit every 3 point attempt... Nobody will go 20 for 20 from 3 in a game and sadly, that's the mindset of todays hooper... Nigga just SCORE

[@Keith_Courage]

I cant get over this man actually stealing michael Jordans whole wardrobe that shirt says Air Mccants😩🤣

[@TLR1988]

Maybe he has a deal with Jordan since he played at UNC cus damn lol.

[@PerformanceMatrix]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jwilliamson-xo8nd]

Yooo lmao, I would’ve missed it if I ain’t come to the comments. 😂😭

[@sido5857]

This is the comment I was looking for😂😂😂.

[@BigDilf3]

@@TLR1988he was wearing fake mikes hell naw

[@trudru1]

McCants doesn't understand the very simple concept that on average players today are more skilled and better shooters. So when he said there is no dead weight, he means there are no charles oakleys anymore guys who defend but not score. So defending the other 29 teams are harder because you have more shooters on every team.

[@Jasmoo25]

Oakley could shoot. Deadly from 18 ft. And he really wasn't a good defender. He was more of an enforcer (help defender) Your point would make more sense if you said Rodman.

[@HIGHROLLERMUSIC]

Players really just lazy, because if you play actual defense its a foul.

[@calsums914]

Those dudes could score.They sacrificed for the good of the team.

[@TheStrawThatStirsTheDrink]

No Charles Oakley anymore? Oakley can score during his early day. If we're talking now, players who defend but not score, what do you call the Morris brothers, PJ Tucker, Patrick Beverley, Draymond ain't been scoring in years now.

[@Just_B_a_GOOD_PERSON]

FYI it's a statistical fact that today's players are not better shooters with the exception of a few players than that of the players before them. They shoot the 3 more thanks to guys who says shooting 3s are better than long 2s. Also based on what I just stated can we please get rid of the notion that high volume shooters are not in the game today?

[@AlexS0h]

they needed the clip board for this convo

[@kingmunk9485]

They talking like the court is 6 ft wide 😂 nobody is rotating that fast when there’s 4-5 shooters on the court 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@hurricane3789]

Bruh it’s crazy because they played at highest level sounding like this

[@alkaline_water]

​@@hurricane3789there is a reason Rashad was out of the league quickly. Lol

[@GODSTRICKLAND]

4-5 people willing to shoot * is different then 4-5 who CAN shoot. just because everyone is jacking 3s up don’t mean they are hitting them at a high clip

[@wolvesliveforever6793]

@@GODSTRICKLAND true but it’s not like the ppl that are willing to shoot are terrible shooters

[@TA-ht4jo]

But I thought y'all told us that players today are stronger, faster and more athletic. So why can't they rotate that fast?

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

Gil is saying that most teams have 4-5 shooters on the court instead of 1-2 like in the past. It's easier to guard when you can crowd the paint. Nowadays you can't crowd the paint because the ball will keep swinging until it hits a open shooter.

[@jalilcook5113]

accidental basketball, like Kobe said years ago. they don’t run fundamental plays anymore just pick and rolls and kick it to the corner

[@Valorant_Dem0n97]

@@jalilcook5113Kobe's era was literally the trash era of offense

[@xDreMack]

​@@Valorant_Dem0n97more like the last era that allowed teams to play defense.

[@TA-ht4jo]

@@Valorant_Dem0n97 That was also Gil's era.

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

@@Valorant_Dem0n97 nah, the offense wasn't trash back, the game was more balanced. Players had specific roles instead of being expected to be everything all at once.

[@DaPrince135]

I listen to Gil talk about a whole bunch of things happening on the basketball court just for McCants to say “he doesn’t want to talk basketball.”😂😂😂

[@staticbb]

They really trying to argue that they should rotate the whole fuckin shot clock flawlessly. Thats crazy.

[@Vendiorr]

ong bro i was dying the whole video, they literally proved Gil right the whole argument

[@dtmuffinman]

Not to mention in a high pace era, you're asking the whole defense to just run around way harder because "well we did it 20 years ago" like, you didn't have to run as far to close out on offense because the floor wasn't spaced out, AND you weren't running up and down the court non-stop all game because the pace was so slow.

[@MasterSlime03]

What they fail to realize is the same way somebody can put up 1000 shots a day and still not be a good shooter you can give all the effort you want and still not be a good defender

[@penkima4923]

Doesn't seem like you can give any effort on defense at all.

[@deajaidawkins6106]

Agreed, I feel like defense is effort AND athletic ability. Can’t think of elite defenders that lacked strength and/or speed/quickness, along with good instincts

[@wolvesliveforever6793]

@@deajaidawkins6106 true but you have to know how to defend. cutting off angles, where your help is, how to send ppl to the baseline, etc

[@TA-ht4jo]

@@wolvesliveforever6793 And Sheryl's point was that players today don't want to put in all that work on defense.

[@wolvesliveforever6793]

@@TA-ht4jo yeah that was her point, but players are way more crafty and there’s more space on the floor. that’s why the best defensive teams now usually have height and length

[@vonc5]

Lmaoo when Gil used McCants and his team as an example it was over and you can see it on McCants face

[@frankcarter3002]

💯💯

[@GmkSuperstars]

Yeah he cooked him with that

[@beedeehavisworld241]

Destroyed him mccants need a bathroom break 😂😂😂

[@mobrown1198]

Nah. It’s a bad take by Gil. McCants is making that face because he just stated that Gil keeps moving the goalposts.

[@mobrown1198]

@@GmkSuperstarsit was an irrelevant take. What does a team 20 years ago have to do with now? People glaze Gil for no reason. The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest or has the weakest argument.

[@dale614]

Gil explain it like this. There is too much ground for them to cover/recovery. The game is so spread out now. The specialist will make you pay for helping off

[@5starathlete804]

Because of the soft rule. No hand checking

[@schuylersavage276]

@@5starathlete804they still hand check and make contact with the ball handler every possession and yet less fouls called per game than ever before. Go look at what Luka siad to JJ about hand checking.! The guy who haters used as their poster child since he said it was easier to score in some ways, he himslef siad “what do you mean if they brought hand checking back? Guys do that right now. I get hand checked every game”. Seriously go watch any game right now from last night. Tell me that you don’t see guys making contact with the body on drives that isn’t called almosf every possession

[@argosbrave6415]

@@5starathlete804 that truly has nothing to do with spacing

[@5starathlete804]

@@argosbrave6415 but that helps the defender tremendously.

[@Caleed-gh4so]

@@5starathlete804how is that gonna stop Jokic?

[@Superbsolutions9]

The Bucks is a good example of what Gil is saying. Homie delusional

[@craigbradford4850]

Gil’s analogy applies to Suns, TWolves, Celtics, Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks, Clippers, Heat, 76ers. Almost every team has four guys that can bring the ball up the court. Every team has bugs that can shoot the three.

[@carlosmitts654]

i dont get why so many people cant get it, the skill in ball handling and 3 point shootin have increase A LOT, every one admit that but wont admit its harder to defend? its just about effort and mindset? lol

[@nydibs]

Anybody can bring the ball up the court today, there’s no full court press

[@zyckzyck6822]

Facts 💯

[@Fearseblack]

​@@carlosmitts654dude you cant touch these dudes while dribbling, the rules help these guys tremendously thats why it looks "better". Tim Duncan could bring the ball up in this era. Guys who shouldnt be taking 3s and bringing the ball up is why the game looks so fluky

[@dresantana7157]

They could d o that back in the days to they just didn’t need to

[@touremenace10420]

I swear Gil is crazy but when he's right he's right

[@nahrihickman1662]

Fr, the floor is so wide open due to just about everyone being able to shoot

[@704jizzle2]

This is NOT one of them times dudes are Not trying to play defense

[@jaybowman696]

😅😅😅😅 Gil dumb as hell

[@antmyrick2063]

​@@nahrihickman1662But everybody can't shoot

[@Kaybaptista]

But one out of 50 isn’t a good % 😂

[@DARTH-KTULU]

Defenders used to be able sag off into the lane, 2 guys on the blocks, sitting at the free throw line. Nobody was worried about the 3 point shot. Defenders had to cover half the distance, and even on a switch they are only covering 15 feet. Now that everyone can shoot from deep, defenders have to cover an extra 10 feet in every direction. That spreads the floor and opens lanes to the basket. Offenses are now doing things like having the screener on a pick doing give and go handoffs back to the ball handler while the ball handler is going downhill, then the screener steps back behind the 3. Defenses aren’t lazy, they can’t keep up with the firepower on offense.

[@lonnellgrigsby1367]

Nobody is posting up in this era so it’s not that much distant not many are kicking it out when they are going in for a Dunk.

[@jaeslice1012]

So are they really that athletic then

[@DARTH-KTULU]

@@jaeslice1012 Is who athletic? Do you even watch the game?

[@doralburnett9886]

💯 million percent truth🫡🫱🏽‍🫲🏾

[@LOMU925]

I love how intense Gil and Rashad always get going back and forth but in the end it’s always love and laughter.

[@jayydazoe1089]

I don’t even understand why Gill point was being argued against

[@stringer2295]

I swear I was confused on why they were disagreeing with him

[@HAHAyouLOSING]

I think it was because they were so sold on their point that they couldn't agree because they went too hard

[@TJAvant95]

He was talking ❗️❗️❗️

[@pookiepats]

they were saying if you WATCH the games today, it is obvious only minor effort is being made - so to point to all the reasons Gil was going on about (valid as they may be); it's misleading to point to those reasons as the SOLE reason given the obvious lack of effort.

[@TJAvant95]

@@pookiepats eh , no 🤣

[@jonshin31]

Lot of respect for Gil as a past player respecting today's offenses - because he knows if he was in his prime playing now with 4 shooters around him he'd be averaging 33 on 48% shooting

[@el84oro]

you know he just does that to gain subscribers right? gil be on his bullshit a lot

[@MICjordanTPR]

@@el84oro No it's true. He was averaging damn near 30 in an era with WAY worse spacing. He'd be a monster in the current era. He was a monster _then!_ The only reason he's not in the Hall is because injuries cut his career short, on some Grant Hill shit. He was DOMINANT

[@josiahandre_]

@@el84orou would have a point if he didn’t have valid logic. This is a different league

[@baller0724]

​@MICjordanTPR why disrespect a generational talent like Grant Hill with mr only 3 good yrs😂😂😂

[@MICjordanTPR]

@@baller0724 Fair enough, Grant Hill's injuries robbed us of a far greater player overall -- he was basically LeBron 0.7 -- but my point still stands. BOTH would have made the Hall if not for injuries.

[@oldnbaschool]

Kobe said it best that nowadays it is accidental basketball, meaning they only run pick and rolls and pass to shooter if they open or drive in. They don't even know where each player is most of the time on the court, while back in the OG days, they ran solid plays so everytime down the line they knew where to find an open man if the defense gives you a closure.

[@jalilcook5113]

yeah that’s literally what they don’t wanna say tho

[@Valorant_Dem0n97]

I completely disagree lol, this entire season I've seen beautiful basketball

[@SkyraXD]

nah man what Gil described is the Houston Rockets with James Harden and CP3 the year they almost beat the Warriors it was that exact same type of setup 4 shooters 1 person can do everything but great at 1v1 they almost won the nba finals if they didnt miss all those 3s they win the series Harden avg 38PPG if its jordan or kobe they will avg 49ppg possibly 58ppg

[@mysteryfollowedbylogic]

love kobe but nobody in his era could shoot and i laughed out loud at set plays. players can score better now because they can shoot better now which opens the whole court. lakers offense was stagnant and slow and with two gods like shaq and kobe barely scratched 105

[@xDreMack]

​@@mysteryfollowedbylogicyea you drunk.

[@JoshBeenTrill]

Auntie Sheryl was instigating at 33:14 😂😂😂😂😂 love you Titi 😂😂😂

[@bigman50505050505050]

The nba handcuffed defenders by recreating the game as non-contact sport. NBA defenses are not allowed to meaningfully defend shooters because it is illegal to touch or even blow on them. Defenders are only allowed to be cones. Combine that with lack of effort and general competitiveness and you have a shooting contest/skills competition. We don’t know how skilled the modern player is because they have yet to be faced with defensive adversity.

[@amiga4everandever]

💯

[@Daffy_C]

The "HE CANT BEAT ME IN NOTHING!" rant is epic 😂😂😂

[@ajsneadii6765]

"Shootin.... XBox.... CAARDS!!!" 😆🤣🤣🪦👻

[@joshconner51]

McCants is legendary

[@FIRELINK75]

hahahah Gils face though when mccants was going in lol

[@VinceDaPops]

Best way to quash this debate is to show tape on how fast ball movement and player movement are done nowadays.

[@pxnthah_6616]

this is a fact, two clips side by side showing differences in intensity in the game. Old school defenders wouldn't last in the new NBA

[@ziginaigra]

u cant see any defense on that tape too

[@DefSocietyTV]

its crazy how they missed Gil point and I rarely agree with him but he was 100% valid and it shows how retired players don't take time to study new school basketball and don't understand what they're watching

[@alejandroallen1949]

Here's the point even with all that Gil said ...it's not working!!! So how about do it the other way what's the worst that can happen they score 140 instead of 135...come on we can see the defense is horrible

[@alejandroallen1949]

@JordanisOverrated2 nah it's teams jacking up bad shots that gets misinterpreted as good defense. I agree though that Boston is good across the board but you watch Phoenix or Denver or even the Pacers play and the defense is awful and lazy. It's just teams are chucking up 20 3s a night. I see countless plays that are just awful. Look up westbrook or harden or kd or even Rudy gobert!! Defensive plays and tell me they play just as good as the guys before . No

[@_Tyy.Boogie]

Gil adds the most important to any and every argument PERSPECTIVE AND CONTEXT, he’s 100% right it’s very simple why is this argument still a thing 😑 90’s early 2000’s there’s wasn’t 4 or 5 guys on the court who can shoot ALLLL 48 MINS.

[@firststep.boomswish]

Shoot for 48 minutes with 60% intensity games. Watch em crumble in the playoffs

[@bahj3758]

Yet watch in the playoffs they manage to get locked up by Miami or Memphis 😭😭 There is no reason Giannis can’t be a great defender besides effort

[@YangoBord]

@@bahj3758I don’t understand. Are u saying giannis isn’t a great defender?

[@bahj3758]

@@YangoBord He’s not. He is a corner piece for a good defense but he himself doesn’t shut his match up down. Then if every team is shooting 3s all game how are you a great defender for protecting the rim? 😭

[@juwonroberts8622]

Without this argument we can’t keep Jordan’s name alive it’s the same thing with bill Russell it’s cool to discredit that generation but to say this generation upgraded from 30 years ago like they did from theyre ogs we looked at as crazy 😂😂 it’s wild

[@faheemcurtis-khidr386]

No amount of effort makes up for being at a schematic/personnel disadvantage on defense. Gilbert is right. Currently the game is at an em pass with the amount of skilled players on the court at one time. It is not realistic to lock a high level team up for four quarters or a seven game series.

[@EXPREEED]

I don’t think they realize that if the defense is consistently rotating( which is good) they are at a disadvantage because they always have to be closing out on the man with the ball. And anyone who plays basketball knows that when you going against a defender that closing out , you will get an open shot.

[@washingtonrl]

Not everyone is a shooter on the floor and sometimes you have to force another player (4 and 5 options) to beat you.

[@nydibs]

Most nba teams don’t move the ball like that. It’s just dribble drive and kick out This is bc of defensive 3 seconds allowing the paint to be wide open Couple that with all the illegal screens, travels, carrying and touch fouls and you have the modern nba game

[@2nifty201]

@@washingtonrl4 and 5 options can beat you now. Clippers and warriors just played like 2 weeks ago. Norman Powell won the clippers that game. A dude off the bench that can create his own shot, dribble, a shoot open js. No other era has had that. Celtics 5th option is Jrue Holiday. Miami 6th option is terry Rozier, 76ers 4th option is oubre. All these dudes can really get buckets. Create their own shots. No other era has had that.

[@tahderich]

Even worse is that it eventually creates mismatches. which means eventually a big is over the freethrow line spotting a guard and a guard is being trucked on by a big going to the lane/calling out loud for the ball. Until the playoffs, the best defense is to try hard enough to give the worst shooter the ball and force them to kill 10 sec of the clock trying to shoot or give a grenade to the shooter.

[@kenyonmckee2268]

@@2nifty201thank you brother it’s not the old days anymore every team has atleast 2 Lou Williams an Jamal Crawford shot making ability coming off the bench for there teams

[@16duq]

This conversation goes to the next level with a whiteboard example. Y'all need something of the sorts asap.

[@quanisgaming8978]

Mccants was just loving how they brought someone else just delusional as him on the show🤣

[@novelaego2404]

rashad da best one dawg

[@keenanharris5248]

Sheryl’s swoopes my guy is the best defender ever in the WNBA check her stats

[@quanisgaming8978]

@@keenanharris5248 that doesn’t change their delusional think of the modern nba

[@Bigdude-bz9bd]

@@keenanharris5248Swoops played on a stacked team when the WNBA wasn’t that good

[@str8duval]

​@@keenanharris5248she never played in the NBA and from the sounds of it don't even watch it lol. Thinking she has the answers to song the different nuggets offense from the couch is wild

[@abrahamalvarez23]

Gil is right. With proper spacing and NBA level modern day shooting plus teams combining that with master scorers, it is incredibly challenging to disrupt modern day offenses. The game has evolved and it is not going back to how it was. It is possible to have disruptive defenses, but it takes innovation. Effort isn't enough in today's NBA game.

[@SymonPhoenix-w3u]

Gil is wrong. He usually is and avoids their points. Defense is lazy. Ask KD when he plays Celtics when allowed to be D up.

[@thiccshakedabber9193]

@@SymonPhoenix-w3uonly reason defense was tough in that series coz kd didn’t have offensive weapons outside of Kyrie

[@drechillin2154]

NBA modern day shooting is really no different from 60 years ago they just shoot it more they still be efficient asf unless you’re a specialist MJ would look good today if was allowed to take 15 threes a game and make 3 of them

[@mobetta2092]

@@SymonPhoenix-w3u If no defense is being played, what is the other team doing when the other team is on offense? Why are screens set if no defense is being played? Why are step back shots necessary when if defense is being played. Offensive moves and rapid ball movement is at an all time high so defense appears to be worse. John Stockton and Karl Malone did a basic pick and roll that was indefensible…but yet the 90s was the best era in defense. Stop it.

[@RxOxPx]

Exactly. People forget Giannis struggled vs the Raps in 19 playing box and 1. The following years other teams tried it and him and the bucks figured it out. Offense is just so advanced now.

[@MarkPerchatsch]

Let’s not sit here and pretend like this isn’t EXACTLY what Adam Silver wants.

[@SonnyJ-r8z]

I hate when Gil say anything to be right.He keep naming Elite players for his examples like everybody is elite.Stop it 5

[@zerosumprime]

No y’all are fin idiots - this generation literally has the greatest shooter ever- there are no fucking weak non shooting guys on the court

[@Tobias_Edith]

and you wonder why its sponsored by Underdog Fantasy! 🤣

[@Tobias_Edith]

I concur hence why the game is faster....@@SonnyJ-r8z

[@GameCritiquewithNeo]

​@@Tobias_Edithgamble gamble, money is a devil.

[@outnawfdp6863]

19:15 “Boo this man”😂😂😂😂😂McCants funny asf istg😂😂😂😂

[@mackstacks8913]

Jokic cooks all the BEST NBA Defenders. Giannis, Draymond, AD. He is way stronger than he looks, he can shoot from anywhere, he can score in the post. He can score in the mid range. He can pass from anywhere. He passes people open. Ive watched AD do everything against this man and not be able to stop him. This idea that Jokic can be stopped by “picking him up” and “showing effort” is fucking hilarious.

[@Gi-or8bk]

1 player

[@djjsmooth27]

McCants and Swoops idea is to make him work full court instead of just letting him dribble freely which I agree with. Also with pick and rolls, guys don’t fight through them anymore. They automatically switch everything even when a real pick hasn’t been set which is crazy. Gil is right about today’s players being more skilled and it being hard to guard but it is a lot of lazy defense too.

[@sjwilliams5883]

@@Gi-or8bkTatum, Brown, Dame, Giannis, Embiid, KD, Curry, SGA, Kwai, Paul George, Bron, AD, Kyrie, Luka, D. Fox, T. Haliburton, Jimmy Buckets, D. Mitchell, Ant Man, Kat, an Ja Morant. Plenty of guys that can’t be guarded all elite offensively.

[@bahj3758]

@@sjwilliams5883 yet all of them have been locked up before and none of them try to lock anyone up besides 3-4

[@whoisbrandonfml_]

Too add on to your point,Jokic is way faster and mobile then what he looks as well

[@williamthomas4676]

They are all right. Yes it is more difficult to defend because teams have more shooters. But you can also watch and see guys don't prioritize defense like they once did.

[@atowari]

It’s funny, I think the reason why they’re getting this worked up is they can’t slow down to see that they’re both right! Teams have sacrificed better defenders to stack their teams with better scorers, so of course these better scorers are not going to work as hard as the old defenders did.

[@ziginaigra]

and why scorer wouldnt try hard on defense too? oh its too hard ok :)

[@koryk9090]

That ending was pure gold

[@djbballer7389]

i’d love someone like Mccants to magically return to his physical prime, get on an NBA team and influence defensive rotations to play the way he’s describing and watch as the worst teams in the league torch them night after night on pure shooting 😭😭

[@stringer2295]

Record breaking 3 points made 😂😂😂

[@ninocrown3247]

He’s talking about effort. Even Kenyon who was an elite defensive PF said he watches games and sees a lack of effort or little things not being done to ruffle the offensive player. But because Rashad and Sheryl are saying it, well he was average player with a short career and she starred in the WNBA, so their opinions are irrelevant. Most of the best ex-player coaches weren’t stars. Kerr, Udoka and Lue never averaged more than 15 in a season either. So trying to ascribe basketball knowledge to Rashad’s NBA success as a player, is misguided logic. You have high IQ stars, but some aren’t. I don’t consider Ja Morant or Jayson Tatum high IQ hoopers. Not all these dudes are Kobe, MJ, Magic, Bird, Jokic, Lebron, Stockton, Duncan, CP3 etc. Many of these new players are coming into the NBA after 1 year of college, so they’re grasp of the game isn’t level with their skill and talent.

[@djbballer7389]

@@ninocrown3247 i agree with the sentiment of effort on the defensive end not being as prominent but i think what ppl are failing to see is how optimized the game has become and the reasons behind that. It’s not because people don’t want to play defense it’s because that type of defense doesn’t work in the same way on a night to night basis, it’s not sustainable. You can put in the extra effort on defense but 9/10 times when you are up against offenses that are just factually statistically better at every level of scoring on the floor, you are going to get torched reverting to the style of defense they are talking about. it’s not just about the star player anymore

[@djbballer7389]

@@ninocrown3247 basically what you said in short is: the game is different than it was. i disagree that their opinions are irrelevant also but the problem is the best ex players did not play in this era, they played in stagnant offenses because people were less skilled than they are now because they adopted a proven style of play that worked for them back then. its just the evolution of the game. i think that there’s a way to apply more effort on defense in a more modernized set style and i believe we see that in the playoffs defensive schemes. but what rashad and sheryl were saying basically just amounts to “dudes are lazy and don’t play defense if they played the way we did things would be different” they right teams wld be getting absolutely torched 😭

[@kenyonmckee2268]

This day an age u have to be able to switch the worst thing to be caught in is a scramble. This day an age a minimum of 4 players are always gonna be able to shoot on the courts u can’t play old style defense which is why people think defense is so bad everyone can shoot this day an age

[@mr.hackathon]

Défense is incredibly hard. In team defense, you want to force the lowest percentage shot for that team and individual. At the elite level, you can't stop them shooting. Now, even the 5th scoring option has shots that they can shoot well enough to be a threat you just have to pick your poison. Just saying run shell drill against some of the most skilled and athletic basketball players in the world is crazy.

[@Learning2Bme87]

That sounds like the NBA promoting its product. Players have evolved so much😂. Nah defense just aint apart of what appeals to todays fans. At an elite level you force the offense in to taking the lower percentage shots (whatever is apart of your game plan). We are watching an era where the best defense you’ll see is teams willingly trading buckets😂

[@KeshawnHarris-hv8qr]

Crazy thing is defense isn't about talent and really can't be taught its a mindset and a will to say I'm not letting the person in front of me score

[@givenchyoverall]

Yeah stop a 6’4, athletic guard that can shoot from 35 with a tight handle, you fucking can’t n wont bro. If you could get stops, you’d be in the league, be real with yourself.

[@nydibs]

Defense can be taught. Knowing how to navigate screens is teachable and is huge. Knowing how to force a player to go a certain direction, all learned skills But yes, it does take effort

[@washingtonrl]

Defense can and is taught; how to play a screen on defense and offense is taught in college. AAU is not teaching players how to hedge a screen to slow down the ball; whether to go over or under a screen on defense if you’re on the ball; how to communicate as the defender if your man is setting the screen. Taught in college for sure.

[@pradayou5405]

​@@washingtonrlnone of that matters when you're going up against the most skilled players in the world. There's no formula to stop a big who can pass, shoot, and dribble like Jokic

[@FireAngelChris]

lol you can say that all you want & they will still score

[@its-dg2987]

I don’t think these people realize that once a defense is in rotation someone that can shoot will be open. It is an automatic open 3. And you can’t win giving up nothing but open 3s

[@merrickjackson1623]

It’s funny. Past nba players are so mad that they are actually saying that guys are only getting stats because of how the game is played. It’s never the greats, it’s always tester years role players. It’s hilarious that McCants actually said Joker isn’t as good as people say he is? 😂

[@bahj3758]

They are right. Higher pace and less defense = more possessions/ more stats. Wilt era and Magic era never stopped running look at the numbers compared to 90s & 2000s

[@Flagrant32]

It takes so much more effort to play team defense today. The floor was shrunk with a lot of non-shooters and a lot of people not willing to shoot back then. The ground you have to cover these days is crazy. To give that effort for 82 games with more possessions than ever is a crazy ask. Only a team with the best of the best defenders can do it.

[@TA-ht4jo]

Sounds like a bunch of excuses. So I guess the players should just give up on defense, huh?

[@Flagrant32]

Who said give up? I’m speaking about what your body is able to handle. Playing defense takes much more energy than playing offense. If the ball is moving more than ever and offense are covering much more ground than ever, how will a team be able to do that at 100% energy 48 minutes 82 games? Go back and watch games in the 90s they’re practically walking around on defense because there was less shots, less ball moving and less spacing. Youre not respecting the level of difficulty it is to play elite defense

[@SymonPhoenix-w3u]

@@Flagrant32yet KD has issues playing Celtics when allowed to have to defend physical defense. Defense also wears down that offensive man. Gil gives excuses for players being lazy.

[@Flagrant32]

@@SymonPhoenix-w3u I have some homework for you. Go look at the spacing and ball movement in the 90s compared to now and also notice how less of a threat there was for teams tk actually shoot the 3. You had to cover a lot less of the floor then.

[@quisejeter1470]

@@TA-ht4johow do you hear excuses out of cold facts??? If you’ve ever watched a full 90s basketball game, you’d INSTANTLY see and understand it was easier to play defense and crowd the paint back then

[@quintonetienne2050]

I have an idea. Gil & Brandon vs Rashaad & Ms. Swoops in a game which they are the coaches. It could be an event at end the year, where both Gil and Rashaad go around the world recruiting the best none current NBA players to form an at least an 8- person team. You could also get underdog to sponsor a 4-part series leading up to game. So you could have behind the scene footage of recruiting, practice and most of all trash talking. Have a 1 million prize for the winning team and 50k bonus to the games MVP voted for by the Fans watching live

[@KONSHENSTV]

This guy mccants gotta be acting. Players are faster more skilled more athletic more stamina and everyone on the court will absolutely kill you and they all shoot it. The role players then and now are not the same so the defense cannot be the same. If u overcommit you die in a split second.

[@bushmastersavimbi3379]

and WAAAY more soft and stupid

[@tjones2991]

The game is outside the arc now. Its to difficult to play defense with the floor spread and the skills of the nba players

[@ziginaigra]

it is with pussy rules

[@tieball2]

Both are right main problem is the more offensive fire power u have the weaker the defense is.. since everyone copies each other especially a championship team if there winning without having a point of attack player or just more offensive then defense.. no reason to change

[@Clipperfan_Tra]

Murray is a good defender kcp is a great defender gordon is a great defender mpj is 6'10 and a good shot blocker and jokic takes up Hella space

[@NJ-sd9zb]

The league has never been more skilled. At the same time defense is not being played the way it used to be. And all you have to do is see the switch up when the post season comes around.

[@kevinjenkins950]

Gil and Marshal be having the best debates go from facts and good opinions then to talking shit to each other

[@Bilbo_Swaggins-sm4gw]

Gil's "I got it" at 30:29 was all of us

[@TA-ht4jo]

Gil acts like he was a 10 All-star HoF player. He's not even a top 75 player. Gil does a little too much sometimes.

[@christophertaylor1695]

@@TA-ht4jowhat was you ?

[@jaylontyson8403]

@@TA-ht4jo wasnt for that knee injury he would been.. know basketball with context before you say that

[@xcreenplay7264]

19:03 gll look he about spit a hot 16 freestyle lol

[@JacJon]

Lol😂😂😂 facts

[@1ajgtwm]

You can tell which older players keep up with the game and those who stayed in their era lmao

[@Jujubees225]

Lol freaking exactly. The reason why 2016 cavs actually beat 2016 warriors was they switched on everything to neutralize their shooters getting open. These old heads think defense is lazy while teams today are screening multiple times. Curry is one of the best conditioned athletes. Try chasing him all game and call this era lazy.

[@lpeeps2]

Two things can be true yal. Players don’t give the same effort to defend anymore and these stretch 4,5’s are much more lethal than in the 90’s and 2000’s.

[@fadercreek]

50% of defense is effort wtf is gil on?

[@BigBossX007]

McCants said he’d average 30 points but he never averaged more than 14.9 in a season. LOL WHAT???

[@bushmastersavimbi3379]

in this soft recreational wnba league i'm pretty sure he actually would average 30

[@33MEECHIETV]

Everyone understands what Gil said but the effort the force on defense is lacking how he sit up there and act like it not is krazy

[@davidcici11Evolution]

There is effort on defense. The game has evolved offense is far ahead of defense.

[@kinglyone7172]

Seriously, this was a great conversation.

[@hariypotter8]

Gil is just plain right here, why tf would teams trying to compete for titles just “be lazy”? Cmon

[@robertlee572]

I love the convo here

[@ew8600]

I don’t think it’s the players effort. I think it’s the rules that are handcuffing the defense

[@randyfeelme1]

Gil your best show... this is the convo I wanna hear

[@vanjamihajlovic999]

I never thought i would hear so much sense out of Gil lmao

[@JerseySchmutzler]

It doesn’t matter if it’s old basketball principles or not it’s still same thing even when they got 4 shooters out their boxes and elbows when ball is skipped to the corner and when the ball is air they have to rotate and close out and force them off the line doesn’t matter if a middle pick and roll or not the game has got lazy on the defense end and they just switch everything because they are lazy to fight over the screen or pick your man 94 feet or at half court line

[@MannDaSSaint]

“SHOOTING, XBOX, CARDSSSS!!!!! HE CAN’T BEAT ME IN NUN!!!” I’m cryin😂🤣🤣🤣

[@KenGlo]

Timberwolves is a prime example of what Mccants was trying to explain as far as effort in defense & rotations

[@bosshoss1209]

They kinda both right it's harder to guard today because there are more shooters on the floor but they not putting in the effort on defense either

[@anthonymiller8107]

Facts like when the 76ers beat the mavs in Dallas a couple weeks ago there is no way Kyle Lowry should be constantly blowing pass Luka

[@Chad5ter]

I just can’t accept the narrative that players are now more skilled and better shooters. If players are more skilled at offense, so they should at defense too ! I believe nowadays, defense is set up to save superstars energy in detriment of game efforts. I’d even go further saying that NBA being rigged is true at some point.

[@MrEOM41]

They need to bring back hand checking 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MM-ce1zg]

Gil didn’t play defense soo of course he don’t understand 8:14

[@vankai06]

They began by stating that they are lazier now than before. Gill is the only one demonstrating the changes over the years. I'm not sure why there's confusion. they basically only had one defensive strategy and that was effort, rotations.. The label of being lazy or lacking effort is a media narrative that verges on disrespectful. Without question, today's shooters have significantly improved. Both offensive and defensive strategies have evolved. laziness is not why the WHOLE league has changed.. saving lazy players is a wild statement. noone is in that league for free

[@emperorlivion]

21:58 that is not true....Defense is more about intelligence and discipline than effort....some of it is also raw athleticism....i have seen plenty of people and teams give honest effort and get WHOOPED. You need a plan on defense.

[@jaygainer7955]

11:57 y’all mf’s act like teams got 3 ray Allen’s in each corner sound like excuses to me

[@cusumano91]

Love how McCants was garnetts little boy in Minnesota and now McCants acts like he’s tough. His mindset allowed him to flame out and I love it

[@flacostacks9666]

10:48 you just made his point back then it was just 1 team and now it 20+ teams that can do it now

[@DST9090]

The Phoenix Suns with that all world offense never made it to one NBA Finals. Defense wins Championships.

[@LanardDuncan]

Gil said fifteen years later what you think they decided to do!! (Dam he good) Eddie Murphy voice from Coming to America!!

[@AjNerd]

"unless your coach say don't come off Curry" LOOOOOOOOOOL

[@kaleehayness]

Why mccants talking like a defensive expert . He didn’t get PT for being a good defender or scorer and let Lebron drop 30 plus every matchup? Am I supposed to just take what he say because he made the league for 3 years?? The same league that drafted kwame brown 1st overall out of highschool?!?!?

[@imhere283]

This conversation was over 2 minutes into it!! There's players on the floor now that you can't leave so where is the help coming from? Sometimes older players don't wanna keep it real

[@sebastiancalmet-medone8856]

The level of skill is through the rough, no matter how hard u try, ur not stopping these dudes from cooking

[@LanardDuncan]

Gil in this mode turns into Lonzo from training day, (you been planning this all day, I been planning this all week son!!)

[@entertainingsportshighligh7525]

@ 11:10 ....... I LOVE THAT LOOK ON GIL'S FACE, HE KNOW HE JUST HEARD SOME BULLSHIT COME OUT OF MCCANTS MOUTH, AND HE JUST CANT WAIT TO RESPOND TO THAT NONSENSE, LOL 🤣🤣🤣

[@flacostacks9666]

12:04 really shut them up with that take 😅😅😅😅

[@toerawyea]

they both right . u don’t have a choice but to rotate when beat , but there are more shooters now as well .

[@OSoloJr]

One thing I learned is off ball defense is very slept on from hs to the pros. Teams play way too much help defense sometimes and it's like the coaches never tell the off ball defenders to stay home.

[@mobetta2092]

If no defense is being played, what is the other team doing when the other team is on offense? Why are screens set if no defense is being played? Why are step back shots necessary when if defense is being played. Offensive moves and rapid ball movement is at an all time high so defense appears to be worse. John Stockton and Karl Malone did a basic pick and roll that was indefensible…but yet the 90s was the best era in defense. Stop it.

[@Campaigncorey]

This was a Gil cook session 😂

[@georgecubie8560]

He talking Shaq & Lakers when there wasnt a three to spread the court😂😂

[@Puffthefan]

10:41 HE SAID IT RIGHT THERE…. NOW EVERY TEAM DOES HAVE SHOOTERS THAT ANOMALY IS EVERY TEAM NOW THEY MAKING THEIR POINTS INVALID

[@ikush5091]

They are so informative about basketball. When they start talking about rolling and “hard fronts” I really wish they would consider adding visual effects maybe even a white board to show the people their perspective.

[@drae1976]

Gil proved his point at 12:21. Convo should have ended. Everyone today is playing like the Warriors. Even the bigger teams like Minnesota and Milwaukee shoot threes and stretch the floor. You have to guard a ton more space today compared to 20-30+ years ago. Go back and look at games from the 90’s. Dudes were laying way off of guys that couldn’t shoot. The defense would never consider guarding guys 30 ft away from the basket like they HAVE to do today.

[@Mr1000raindrops]

Gill is 1000% right on this

[@toryhooks]

GIL IS 100% Spot on - BUT - THIS IS THE PROBLEM - freedom of movement - enforcement against defensive holding and hand-checking, allowing offensive players more space and opportunities to score. The fact you can't cut your man off, is one of the reasons why LUKA can dominate the way he does.