NBA Greatness Is Built Off Of HORRIBLE Mindsets

NBA Greatness Is Built Off Of HORRIBLE Mindsets according to Gilbert Arenas as he and the Gil's Arena crew debate Scottie Pippen's comments on Michael Jordan and discuss why mindsets like Kobe Bryant's Mamba Mentality aren't the best for making friends.
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[@mrb.2497]

I greatly appreciate Gil pointing out how people did NOT like that “mamba mentality” shit when Kobe was playing. That shit didn’t become cool until his last few years playing.

[@joshuad24]

Nah that’s kinda cap it was around his last two rings people started coming around.

[@CaliCool91]

I find myself feeling like I'm in the Twilight Zone sometimes as an OG Lakers fan. That Mamba shit is incredible marketing, but it was NOT something positive during Kobe's playing days and after retirement he admitted often to not understanding being a good teammate during those times.

[@Ykthevibe35]

@@joshuad24nah

[@michaelperez3720]

🤡🤡🤡 people who weren't about it. People who couldn't handle it, didn't like it. The players that were about it loved playing with Kobe.

[@jaeaiithasolchyld1565]

@@joshuad24how did that clarify anything bro said?

[@oliveemorris6406]

Think Jordan became the so called selfish player when he realized is teammates were a bunch of crackheads that night in hotel room. Mj be like " I ain't passing the ball no more" 😂

[@msohniner]

Yo this shit had me screaming 🤣🤣🤣

[@brickywatters4571]

😭 they had 2 different meanings of “pass the rock”

[@DesignerBass]

I wonder where you got that idea from lol...Jordan. So when exactly did they get rid of all the crackheads? It was a coaching change. Doug Collins told them to give Jordan the ball and get out the way. They wouldn't run the triangle so the fired him hired Phil and ran the system. Had nothing to do with crackheads.

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@DesignerBass fired Doug because they wanted Phil as soon as he became an assistant, they thought they had some lacky in fpug but they didn't, same as with Phil in the end, that's why they told him u could go 82-0, you're STILL not coming back, toxic bulls front office egos

[@terrellsmith785]

@@DesignerBasstriangle didn’t exist when doug coach. Tex created it after they got pippen and others. The hell you talking about

[@beeislive]

So they're just going to ignore the fact that Scottie said "horrible player" and not just horrible to play with? If Scottie would have just said horrible teammate that would hold weight.

[@rellllzzz2473]

In the same breath say there's no such thing as a great player because it's a team game meaning the reverse is there's no such thing as a bad player because it's a team game

[@beeislive]

@@rellllzzz2473 facts

[@geezyeskabante]

By horrible player I’m pretty sure he meant horrible teammate. As someone who played you really don’t wanna play with the MJ/Kobe type. In todays context he is a horrible teammate as he only like taking 2’s and not that effective from 3. A ball hog who gotta get to his spots is not player what you wanna play with.

[@rellllzzz2473]

@geezydbl0012 most people call their teammates horrible when their teammate holds them to a higher standard and talks to them disrespectfully because they're disrespectful with their work ethic. Like Gil said I'm not selfish for not passing you the ball you selfish for wanting it knowing you didn't put in the work to deserve it. His teammates was trash and probably wasn't practicing hard until the 90's but Jordan never made them do what he didn't do

[@beeislive]

@@geezyeskabante What about a guy like Russell Westbrook? He's led the league in assists three times, but he's been called selfish. It's not just about passing the ball. Kobe said in an interview it's more about changing your teammates behavior that is more conducive to winning.

[@dmv_p]

No one ever calls them "meaningless stats" before winning. It's all a part of the process ... Dominique never got a chip but what he did wasn't meaningless. Jordan was NEVER a horrible player in any sense of the word.

[@kenjiang21]

i think if you’re in the realm of if you don’t win anything then you’re horrible. why do people call players like westbrook. chris paul and harden horrible. it’s bc their career and stats didn’t amount to a chip. but just bc it’s jordan. somehow he’s untouchable bc he won titles. i think what scottie said holds some value. some truth. not all truth. but phil jackson had to tell jordan that he has to pass the ball if he wants to win. phil jackson had to teach jordan how to play the right way. so scottie isn’t wrong bout him being a horrible teammate. player is probably the wrong word to use here.

[@jaymoneymo9963]

Right cuzz lebron first couple of years was meaningless then. Dont make sense

[@blowc1612]

​@@kenjiang21 mj did win titles. Westbrick, Harden and Choke Paul didn't. That's the difference. Also MJ took his team to the playoffs since day one. MJ has multiple titles, had the scoring title and was also all defensive at the same time. That's the difference. You're as dumb as these people on the couch who has no idea about working hard for something. Arenas is a bonehead dummy.

[@dmv_p]

@@kenjiang21 I'm not from the camp of if you win it didn't count. Just doesn't make sense. None of what Scottie said has validity. As someone who watched MJ play before the rings, it all counted and he was never considered a horrible player. Phil didn't have to teach MJ how to win ... he was always had a winner's mindset. Phil allowing the team to run Tex Winter's triangle optimized the team's success through constant ball movement and when it failed MJ bailed them out. Truth be told, the Pistons were just a half a step in front of the Bulls and when they finally took the spot they never really relinquished it.

[@gnnacharles1]

Thank you , finally a fan with some common sense

[@virgillesaca]

Wait tho MJ was the only player on his team before Scottie and Horace developed. Starting center was like Dave Corzine or some shit, Ed Nealy lol. Who else was gonna score. And when the Bulls started winning, MJ was scoring champ, 1st team all Defense, all NBA, All star, AND won the title. It’s not an accident!

[@vante474]

Exactly!

[@christopherlevere1978]

And his coaches prior to Phil schemed the offense around him, that's a large part of why he played that way. Phil asks him to trust his teammates and straight tells him his numbers are about to dip and MJ chose to embrace it, team success followed. Scottie gets no credit for that change it's Phill who did that not him. And Mr pot calling the kettle black, if you're gonna call someone horrible to play with and a horrible teammate then maybe don't throw a temper tantrum when a last play isn't designed for you and refuse to go in the game. Or do, but then stfu about horrible teammate bs.

[@virgillesaca]

@@christopherlevere1978 100%. Scottie’s having a hard time with post-retirement. But all he has to do is say no to interview requests 😅

[@ragecage205]

Yeah I’m still trynna figure out how Scottie was disrespected in the last dance. I think Scottie issue is he don’t take any accountability. scottie signed the bad contract when advised not to,scottie didn’t go back in the game & doubled down during the doc saying he don’t regret it, scottie waited to get surgery and wanted a trade. They also painted him as one of the main reasons they won 6. 2 things can be true.

[@VI_VISIONS]

This right here is the best comment

[@jerelbeamon3548]

All facts.. ol girl said he was disrespected on the last dance. Mike said he doesn’t win 6 without Pip. Where’s the disrespect?

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

@@jerelbeamon3548 Exactly I’m like wtf

[@redmanjohnson4616]

Exactly...

[@zxcvb3772]

That's why I have no respect for today's NBA media, they run with a narrative without fact checking. Scottie Pippen was not disrespected at all in TLD, most of the fans watching didn't even came out with negative feelings for Scottie, but more so sympathetic. These people keep running with the narrative that Scottie was disrespected and made to look like a fool which was not true at all.

[@dj-vb9dm]

As a child the first time I ever saw the bulls play the game was on mute and scottie was so good I thought he was michael jordan 😂🤣

[@lavanceneely6214]

Yeah,you were just a sped ass child

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

Why Gil acting like those exact comments on being a ball hog and empty stats was literally the same thing they said about MJ till ‘91. Most thought he was the greatest to ever play just off ability but of course not in accolades at that moment (at least not until his 4th or 5th ring). EVERY GREAT that didn’t win right away like Bird, Kareem, Magic, Duncan for example has heard there stats were meaningless. Hell, KOBE HEARD it after winning 3 titles. Wilt heard it his whole career even after winning a title and outright beating the 60’s Celtics. Also, it’s interesting when people talk about the narratives when the stats just clearly show it differently. Sure, to a point when MJ or Kobe were averaging 33+ PPG they didn’t win (well MJ did average 31.5, 30 and 32.5 in his first 3 peat compared to 37, 35, 32.5, 33.6 the years prior) they should’ve got their teammates more involved but it’s not just one sided. They needed actually GOOD TEAMMATES around them. LeBron is no different. Sure the pre-Heat Cavs lead LeBron teams weren’t offensively competent but there style of play, there coaching and the league was all centered towards defense. Considering most playoff games had scores between 75-90 points as the final scores. The Cavs during those years with Mike Brown were always one of the best defensive teams in the league. MJ’s assist totals the 3 years before he won his 3-peat were MUCH higher than during his 3-peat years. His offensive win shares stayed at 14-15 during those 3 years and his 90-91 year then dropped to 12.5 in 91-92 & 92-93. Likewise with his PER and funny thing is his usage rate was HIGHER in his 2nd 3-peat where they were slightly more defensive focused due to Rodman, Harper, Pippen and MJ (and the league at the time) than his first three peat and every year before that except in 86-87 where he had no offensive help and averaged 37-5-5. Hell his usage rate on the Wizards was higher than ANY year he was on the Bulls except 86-87. So yea Scottie clearly butthurt the son that looks closest to MJ is next in line on his for the streets ex along with the Last Dance. But seriously some things can be explained or concluded by looking at the stats. Clearly once MJ had good enough talent to win for the era he nearly always won. It’s no different than any era for any team sport especially one where there’s a series. It just depends since some eras are weaker than others and the late 80s-early 90s is arguably the best era of having a ton of talent in NBA history along with today’s era

[@MrKT410]

Production matters and is probably the single most important thing you can do. Having said that, there are things that matter beyond production. You can produce a lot but at some point that production can having diminishing returns. One thing that I think seperates MJ with just about every other player is how accountable he made his teammates. He made sure they gave everything to the team not just because MJ was demanding it, but because that was also the example he was setting.

[@shadmcgill7623]

1987, MJ 1st scoring title. He was on a team were he had to score, that team lacked team talent. So he had to carry the team, he did until he trusted his teammates.

[@MrKT410]

@shadmcgill7623 I agree. The 87 Bulls were essentially the same team minus MJ. They won 10 more games. The production mattered a lot but MJ trying to score 37 on let's say the 91 Bulls would have been detrimental to their success. To get the most team success MJ needed to defer some to his teammates.

[@joelvitasa1121]

W/0 pigpen your mj is absolutely trash common fanatics 9 yrs of Jordan in Chicago bulls he is a loser that’s the fact, no one can argue about that, now go home…..

[@sholovesholove4620]

Now imagine if the guy on your team making 20 million dollars and averaging 6pts per game. You can't just scream at them (that's called bullying nowadays), you can't punch them (the organization is filming everything and will release it to pay you less), EVERYTHING you say, will be held against you, by EVERY ENTITY including your organization. Not to mention if your coach doesn't win a championship or you have a down year, the coach is fired. The world and league changed so the same "forcing teammates......", is OUT. That style worked in the 90s. It didn't even work in 2000 when Jordan had Stackhouse, Richard Hamilton. Then he tried the same thing with Kwame brown, and that created one of the top bust of all time! Hell he tried it for 15 years after that and every team he put together and was putting his finger on has been horrible, whether they were the bobcats or hornets. Try telling your child what to do and their making 10 million dollars a year! 😂😂That style worked for 100 years because for 10 thousands years, that force could be used. Now, you have to accommodate a grown man's "feelings" by getting clearance from the team psychologist and you have to watch how you look at him because he might commit suicide. Times changed and Jordan and kobe represented the last time that sorry if "leadership" could be used.

[@mittendemon4493]

@@sholovesholove4620 man shutcho dumbass up typing out this crazy ass shit

[@bighomey4343]

The last dance started with pippen missing 2 free throws against the pacers in a random regular season game that was to minimize pippen that Jordan was reason for the bulls success because we didn't season Jordan's failures in the last dance.

[@el84oro]

we saw jordan's failures. aint nobodys fault pip missed the freethrows, had a migrane, had a bad back in 98, took a bullshit contract, like this shit happened. wasnt made up. pip trippin. he did the same shit with barkley in houston. charles was gonna put hands on him

[@bighomey4343]

@el84oro So why wasn't Jordan's 2 for 22 game against the Knicks in the playoffs when jordan was out drinking and gambling all night and if wasn't for pippen they lose that game why wasn't that put in the last dance because that wouldn't fit the narrative.

[@el84oro]

@@bighomey4343 i believe it was, i remember that game. damn i wish i could go out drinking and gambling and still win all these chips. now i'm actually jealous. dude aint take care of his body like that and still put in work. damn. i kinda get pippen's point now. i had a friend in school who never studied, partied with us, slept in class and still got As.....i hated that dude

[@RatedRex1]

@@bighomey4343 It was put into the documentary. So were Jordan's gambling, his political apathy, his being an asshole, and his failures on the court. All that was in the doc. There is NOTHING in the doc about Pippen that is untrue. NOTHING. I saw it all live, while it was happening. Pippen is just a bitch.

[@ninocrown3247]

@@bighomey4343 Jordan’s gambling issues were discussed in The Last Dance. Sure, some things were left out because it was MJ’s docuseries. But I’m sure Scottie had other things he did that didn’t make the documentary. Larsa talking about they were f*cking 3x a day, probably why Scottie’s back was f’d up.

[@KH54hhh]

Scottie saying it’s no greatest player it’s a team sport is the literal truth , both Jordan and bron get more praise when the teams helped a lot in there winning , one player can’t win a championship alone

[@qualiswilliams7403]

Naw Bron has literally carried teams Jordan didn't carry anything their team was great 🤷🏽‍♂️ he left the next year they won 2 less games lol that means the team is a good team they could've gotten any other great player and still won without MJ that's the difference Bron has lead many teams at least 3 bad teams to the finals at that

[@KH54hhh]

@@qualiswilliams7403 bro it’s a team sport bron is great but to act like his success wasn’t fueled by his teammates is naive , every team bron won rings with had solid foundations

[@sykomichael83]

​@@KH54hhh ur talking about the teams he won with.....most of the teams he won with he didn't have to carry to finals....he talking about the underdog teams or the injury riddled teams he carried to the finals and lost with....Jordan didn't do that (even tho it may count for nothing to sum...to others it counts)

[@hayboyshay]

@@sykomichael83 stop it. If jeff green didn't score 20 in that game 7 againts the celtics he wouldn't made it to THAT finals. Yall bron fans don't actually watch the games.

[@sykomichael83]

@@hayboyshay well I know u dont know basketball talking 1 game from Jeff green....we talking about players who lead they teams to finals....keep up

[@virgillesaca]

Scottie said he saw MJ before he got to the bulls, had a couple seconds to think about it, then fixed his mouth to say MJ was a horrible player. Pip it’s a reason why no one takes what he says serious.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

But Scottie won’t bring up the fact that MJ was great before he got there or the fact that MJ had to mold Scottie into what he became

[@fangshaopai]

I felt so strange that people forgot MJ embraced the triangle that Kobe refused to? that Melo refused to? when Pip said horrible teammates, play one on one, it is true, but MJ was always trying to find the answer if u really been there watching his games. that's why Winter and Phil was so surprised that MJ said YES easily to the triangle! he was OK to any possibility that can make his games better! I dislike how Pippen said this because he made it sounds like it's all because of him? hell no. if it's not Pippen but someone else who also has potential, Jordan would adjust his game to fit his teammates in his way. look at Pippen's stats in first couple years, his impact on games was limited, very limited. he always believe he got disrespected, I really don't know why! everything in the last dance is true, we all been there we know it. he is such a child, sadly but true. he refused to grow up, he refuses to take responsibility of his action. he blamed other people to make him feel better, to make him believe he deserve better.

[@zxcvb3772]

Jordan was all about winning, or else he would not have played defense and just score those points.

[@DesignerBass]

@@zxcvb3772 lol you just proved his point and you didn't even know it. Jordan's 1 defensive award came in 88. Guess what else happened in 88? Phil Jackson became the head coach.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@DesignerBass Are you serious? Doug Collins was the head coach until the end of 1989 season. Phil Jackson didn't become the head coach until the 1990 season LOL. I guess thanks for showing me you don't know anything. And by the way, I was agreeing with Maurice Fang anyway.

[@leonangelarevalo2596]

Damn, Gil made a lot of sense , and back it with good arguments, media keep moving the goal post to protect Jordan legacy and legend.

[@BooHefner]

I've always wondered how they could say It's all about rings when there's at least 8 people who have more rings and Pippen has the exact same amount of rings while averaging more Rebounds, assist, steals and was responsible for guarding the best player during their championship runs but somehow jordan gets all the credit

[@bosho871]

Is he saying all the numbers he put up himself don’t count? I don’t think so. Another thing,all those other guys put up the stats and everything and still didn’t win anything. MJ put the numbers up early and still won the most chips later. Can’t say that for those other big number guys. Big difference. His point in mute.

[@kabuliish2]

@@bosho871 Yea he won cause he always had the f-ing most stacked team lmao the bulls were the favorites in everx finals, it´s way easier to win with that (why are the bulls in the 90s considered to be the best team of all time, esp the 96 one, it´s not all because of Jordan, they were STACKED)

[@el84oro]

@@kabuliish2 bulls was the favorites cos of mike. cats need to stop changing history. and gil doesnt know when those scoring titles were won.

[@bosho871]

@@kabuliish2 They were no more stacked than Portland, Phoenix, The Lakers or Utah. Look at those rosters. They were favorites because of MJ. The Bulls were also great because of Phil Jackson’s coaching & staff. Phil was able to consistently get maximum results from those role players. That was the difference. Great coaching too.

[@anthonynorman7545]

Dang, Gil has amazing takes like 1 in 3 videos. He keeps bringing me back.

[@glo2fr823]

Dude on the side chair gets on my nerves he’s got horrible takes

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@glo2fr823 I honestly don't know if he's had a good one!

[@thamostgangsta12]

Cause he actually uses reasoning and facts to back up his stuff.

[@waseemcurry7062]

@@glo2fr823he’s so terrible at this

[@ariusmalone8948]

Most of his takes be dumb as shit fuck are you talking about😂😂😂😂

[@nathandodson3220]

This Pod is actually great to listen to when the Crown Clown ins't there.

[@713anand]

People don’t understand how good guys like bill wennington and will Purdue And Harper were on defense. And all the guys on the bench that could make huge shots. I agree with Scottie that it was a whole team effort

[@tmitche9]

@@spunterage what else is he going to say? Did his attitude/ play match with that?

[@georgecubie8560]

A whole team effort & you call out bill wennington & will Perdue 😂😂😂 You must be mad too!😂😂😂

[@imayeseekay]

Did she try to compare Pippen runnin' these streets to his ex wife gettin' ran thru in these streets? I'm glad Gil stepped in.

[@theyellowcafepodcast]

This why I can't stand women on sports shows. They tryna make a point while she stuck on tryna save Larsa Pippen's rep #FOH 💀😭😭

[@jackramsden9346]

There’s a difference between a bad team mate & someone who pushes you to win. MJ and Kobe were a lot of things but all they wanted was to win. If you’re not about that, you’re in the wrong sport.

[@TheDakAttackShow]

How tf you gone tell a NBA fall of famer that 😂

[@lorddj9910]

That’s why Shaq left right?

[@rell_5000]

@@lorddj9910 Wrong. Shaq disrespected Dr. Buss publicly during an offseason game, telling him to "F'in pay me" in front of the whole team. He also refused to take lesser money with his injury history and advancing age. Shaq himself has admitted this, that whole storyline about Kobe having anything to do with that is false.

[@MikeBNumba6]

@@rell_5000 thank you for explaining this

[@michaelikoro7305]

True

[@connmoney6109]

I agree with Gil. You tell someone how to feel about their experience with another person. Scottie has been telling the truth

[@cenvalleybasketball]

He never said horrible TEAMMATE, he said horrible PLAYER. "I saw him play, u saw him play... he was a horrible player" that's infact a absolutely lie, especially when greats like bird, Magic, even zeke was singing his praises going against him even tho they beat his teams.

[@turneryoung905]

Unrelated Scottie almost beat Kobe-Shaq late in his career with the Portland Trail Blazers with Sheed-Smitty which is crazy dope

[@Salah-fq2wi]

Almost doesn't get you nothing. Pippin was salty when he played and he's a mountain of salt now.

[@smokejones4484]

and only lost to some bad calls

[@jeyj4372]

Hes the third best player on that team tho

[@Salah-fq2wi]

@Gamingdoc A fellow Eagle fan, unfortunately, you're right 😂😂

[@DesignerBass]

@@Salah-fq2wi Pippen showed who he was when Jordan retired. Pippen was the 3rd best player in the league. That's what Jordan had on his team his entire prime seasons

[@livingright4733]

Personally, Scottie’s perspective of Jordan did alter after the Last Dance but as a man I also know SP salty about his wife. At the end of the day if you feel some type of way bout me for years and never said a thing, even if it was out of respect, seeing my son with your ex-wife WILL trigger you😂

[@HitmanHimmy]

What did scottie say that was wrong? Jordan was just putting up numbers and losing until Pippen and Phil. You can't argue that

[@srtghost3842]

Exactly! There are players putting up empty stats all over the league and look how people talk about them… I was talking to someone about Steph and I was like if Steph was swaped with Dame in Portland for the past 9 years how many rings would he have? The answer was Zero. Just like if Jordan didn’t have the best team/coach in the 90s he wouldn’t have 6 rings.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Better numbers on higher efficiency than he ever did at any point in his career.

[@paisan79_13]

They didn't win with Scottie or Phil either at first. It took time for Scottie to develop which he used to credit Jordan for helping him do that. I'm sure he would say otherwise now because he's mad at him but we all know.

[@whenisdinner2137]

There's the fact that there was nobody else on the team to pass to and he still averaged five assists per game and the fact that he averaged better stats on higher efficiency in his rookie season than any year Scottie Pippen ever played so why is his dumb ass talking?

[@suntansuperman26]

Just couple years ago Pippen was saying how Jordan is the GOAT and that there’s not 1 game he’s taking LeBron over Jordan. But ever since The Last Dance where he thought he wasn’t portrayed right, he’s been talking shit about Jordan. It just comes off as bitter

[@MeechMadeItHappen]

I feel what Gil said about having 10* scoring titles except 6 of the 10 came in the years Jordan won a championship so clearly he was just that good whether the team was good or bad

[@MikeBNumba6]

Exactly. I laughed out loud when Gil said that.

[@merrickjackson1623]

He said ALOT of stuff people don’t want to hear. I hate it when people do these goat comparisons but start the conversation off when Jordan started winning and act like he didn’t play 6 years before that. Or try to hold him as the gold standard for winning but fail to mention Bill Russell or say he’s the goat based on someone his stats but completely ignore everything about someone else.

[@xavierwilliams6744]

Your 1000% right because people don't realize out of bill Russell titles runs he won 10 finals straight but like you said he's not even mentioned because they will find ways to go around any facts that hurts jordans goat case but will try and find anything to destroy LBJ

[@redmanjohnson4616]

​@@xavierwilliams6744 ...when Russell was playing it was only like 10 teams

[@piccolo5346]

​@@xavierwilliams6744 Nobody was calling Kareem the GOAT in the 80s or 90s untill recently. Lebron fans started that argument to discredit MJ.

[@piccolo5346]

Yeah and once MJ started winning he didn't stop. Dude has the most rings+FMVPs in the modern era (post ABA and NBA merger).

[@xavierwilliams6744]

@Piccolo bro see this is why i hate jordan fans i swear its not MJ its the fans because yall lie for him and he don't need yall to smh. He ain't got no most rings thats a bold face lie Robert Horry is undefeated in the finals and has more then MJ but just because Robert isn't regarded as a player of MJ'S level we gonna chump him off and make excuses of why his 7-0 record don't matter but jordans 6-0 record does.......dang stop moving the goal post to praise jordan I hate that crap if......so if we gonna use rings as a brag and clear cut goat talk closer then if your not going to say Robert Horry is the goat then stop using rings period....like Gil said if they didn't win the chip all that other crap he got those other years mean nothing

[@kilzoldyck5114]

Bron might be paying Scottie to say things about MJ for all we know 😂

[@jermillecreighton]

You sound dumb 🤦🏿

[@MusicLuv80]

Even Jordan was criticized back in the 80's for stat paddling. So it is not just today's players that people talk about stat paddling. Jordan didn't get special treatments in that sense.

[@gnnacharles1]

Yeah “stat padding “ with those all nba, top scorer, all stars he had on the 1985, 87 and 88 Bulls team. Brilliant and oh every year the bull won the title, which player lead the league in points per game and total points? Isn’t that”stat padding “ suppose to affect the team in a bad way? I thought so too. Just saying

[@MusicLuv80]

@@gnnacharles1 I think important thing is how many turnovers you have that really matters. Like Jordan, he would score all these points with less turnovers compared to Russell who scores a lot but has lot of turnovers.

[@jacksimmons8767]

“She don’t deserve any more shots” Cmon Meeko! You forgot about them Gucci flip flops too

[@PigeonCoup]

Give me these guys vs Stephen A, Skip and the Herd are uncensored.. I’m taking my guys right here. 💪🏾💯 Real on here!!!

[@arturorodriguez8223]

Gil forgets to mention that Scottie had written a book that wasn't selling and may have been creating controversy to sell the book. I heard there wasn't a chapter about his wife being for the streets. So I'll placed to book in the fiction section🤣🤣

[@nikohunt5187]

Facts Gil ! Amen

[@millertime773]

They roasted Mccants for his customs and he chunked deuces 😂😂😂

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

I Mean What they Did Was Kinda Fucked Up

[@millertime773]

@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 definitely. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he decided not to come back. That was nasty business.

[@virgillesaca]

Please link me to that episode

[@millertime773]

@@virgillesaca I sent the link a couple hours ago…got deleted

[@Justjewels0]

I had two basketball posters on my wall as a teen girl: Jordan and Pippen. They were a duo to me. Everyone knew Jordan was great but to me Scottie was his assistant… in a way….so I’m feeling like there’s some truth in what Pippen is saying. However some things are better left unsaid. What does Pippen gain from saying these things ? I did not watch the last dance. Gil’s arenais an amazing show! Kudos to everyone involved🏆I don’t even CARE about this subject but here I am watching and commenting 👀

[@anthonynorman7545]

Maybe he gains some piece of mind getting it off his chest?

[@whenisdinner2137]

There is no way that Gilbert Arenas doesn't understand the difference between putting up good numbers on great efficiency while just not having the team to win and a player who's chasing stats inefficiently while playing basketball in a style that will never win. He's just purposely trying to put out bad arguments at this point.

[@ItdoMop]

Bro just because you heard Kobe say that James hardens style of play is "inefficient and will never win" doesn't make it or you right. Cuz by your logic the optimal way to play basketball is to shoot 100% from the three-point line on all your attempts

[@imayeseekay]

@@ItdoMop These dudes are weird. They really think they're professional basketball critics....over ex NBA players.

[@whenisdinner2137]

@@ItdoMop nobody is saying you have to shoot 100% from the field. Just not in the lower 40%s 💀 I said great efficiency not perfect efficiency

[@SO-if3yn]

I love these hot takes. You guys should comment on all sports, or just the top.

[@LoScrila84]

Man gill keeping it real!

[@ΓιώργοςΑντωνίου-υ7υ]

I don't see how Jordan disrespects Pippen in the last dance! Pippen knows Jordan's thoughts before the last dance!!! Horrible player? Jordan? Horrible to play with? In that way, I can understand it!!! And The Last Dance was not all about Michael Jordan!!!

[@arthor74]

This show is fire

[@HitmanHimmy]

We seen Jordan calling his teammates hos and bitches😂 he literally bullied players on camera but yall don't think he could have been a terrible teammate

[@Rockstopmotion]

He punched a teammate

[@dasanwilcox9063]

You can always tell when a girl gets around cause she’ll always revert the blame instead of just accepting what it is

[@Greatest989]

Pippen is mad his baby mom is getting pipped down by MJ son

[@12savage68]

Imagine being mjs son and settling for a ran through 50 yr old .

[@Dr_Magi]

😭😭😭😭

[@larryjordan23]

@@12savage68 well played sir

[@letsdoit-111]

If you think that you lame as hell.

[@aaronlampkin284]

@@12savage68Man that nigga got bread, He ain’t settling, he just taking that old school camero for a spin again for the summer.

[@ashtonbriscoe8522]

Mentioning Kevin Love in a conversation about Michael Jordan is crazy

[@TheSoulstar7]

The lady on this panel keeps saying MJ disrespected Scottie. Scottie disrespected himself. He had every opportunity to clarify why he did certain things but he double and tripled down in his interview on why he did what he did. He doesn’t take any accountability whatsoever. I’ve watched TLD again after Scottie voiced his disapproval and MJ spoke glowingly about Scottie. He didn’t tell about the time Scottie sat out of practice bc his cat died and Horace missed half of that same practice to help him grieve. He said that was his best teammate and you can’t speak about him without mentioning Pippen.

[@zeebartjavier1825]

The stats eventually matter once you win. Thats how it works.

[@dandyaniel5986]

8:51 he is speaking facts though

[@kig4794]

Crazy thing is Jordan praised Pippen in The Last Dance it was the fans that started to clown him

[@BlackKen_M]

Gil doesn’t know when those scoring titles were won😂 4:17 proof, NBA players just be talking

[@cmattjohnson1692]

Doesn't matter MJ isn't the goat and he's overrated weak competition at his position thrived in a era with dominant big men star guards

[@BlackKen_M]

@@cmattjohnson1692 get off Gil and Mike’s dick , they already have a bitch.

[@peanutwilliams6914]

Did yall people miss the part where Jordan clearly said there is know him without scottie what else u need to hear smh

[@kingcane5819]

They actually DID say Jordan's numbers were meaningless. Until he started winning

[@____2080_____]

0:45 because I’m someone who believed that if Len Bias lived, Michael Jordan would not have gotten those 3-peat championships twice, I can try to translate Scotty Pippen’s argument without causing the reaction that it has I’m glad that this podcast talked about the team game aspect of Scottie Pippen‘s comment. I think that is what he means. He was a horrible player. And because no one heard the first part of that podcast, the entire comment is taken out of context, even though Scotty himself , it’s partially to blame for that. He’s likely trying to say that Michael Jordan did not play winning basketball until Phil Jackson, and the rest of the Chicago bulls. Brain trust created the system that maximize this otherworldly talent. Before modern times, I would say that just like Jordan says, the team aspect, and putting together the best players around Michael is what allow them to win the championship. They don’t win without Scotty at his playing days was a top 25 player. They don’t win without Steve Kerr and Dennis Rodman in any of these other characters. They definitely do not win without Phil Jackson as a coach. Now, if we look at an issue that Scotty didn’t bring up about who’s best, LeBron James is leaning more and more towards the Wilt Chamberlain side of the argument. A simply dominant physical presence who got defeated by better teams. This happened to Jordan as well until his team was the best team. When they lost to Boston, Detroit, before they got to a certain level, they were more of an up-and-coming team versus they were the best team. They beat Jordan because Jordan’s teams weren’t that good, and to what Scotty is suggesting, because those teams weren’t good, Jordan tried to take on the Pistons, but his sheer well, and was not able to do that.

[@socalkylex]

I can’t wait until Gil gets a team to coach. He’s a genuine genius in the field

[@KevyWhit]

But Jordan was still getting to the playoffs on those “meaningless” years. And it wasn’t like he was getting bounced out by bum teams. At the end of the day, yes, you need a viable #2 and role players that understand their role. But NO player has ever for it alone, the greatest just need less to be. Perfect around them.

[@senmanzero6493]

Jordan didnt win anything when he didnt have the best team. It is what it is

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

@@senmanzero6493 But at least he was able to get sorry teams to the playoffs against the Bad Boy Pistons and Big 3 Celtics

[@DesignerBass]

Lol are any teams that make the playoffs bums? No so that's not a good point. See what you said about the greatest need less. MJ didn't have less he had a top player his entire prime career he had Rodman grabbing 20 rebounds a game. When Jordan retired Scottie won the All Star MVP. He finished 3rd behind Hakeem and David Robinson for League MVP. Not only that he finished 4th for Defensive Player of the Year!! He made the 1st All NBA team and Defensive team. Pippen finished 11th for the scoring title.

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@senmanzero6493 no one wins without having the best team

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

What? M.J. won six scoring titles during championship year and 2 more losing in the conference finals. 8 of his scoring titles came during meaningful seasons. Horrible take Gil.......

[@m.0605]

Bron got his WHOLE team paid BIG 💰💰 even when they didn't deserve it in Cleveland. Best teammate ever.

[@kobebryant346]

Horrible take by Gilbert lol

[@dusk6159]

Checked the useless race-baiting and snaky host in a smart way though. And was smart in describing the broad

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Yes it was

[@kobebryant346]

@@jefferybarefield6372 Yup both him & Scottie were waffling

[@TheDiaboliq666]

Meaningless? Well, 6 of the 10 scoring titles (not 9, but 10) were in seasons when Bulls got the championship. So, I guess he did do something with it ;) People seem to look at things in a strange way. When you are great player, esp. in this era, you better get ahead in most statistical categories if you play 20 years. LeBron and MJ are not 4 of10 and 6 of 6, they are 4 of 20 and 6 of 15... and then there is Bill Russel :)

[@georgecubie8560]

He not saying this shit out of respect!! He saying this because he thought someone else was going to Big him up in their story!!

[@MacheddieFr]

for me, the “empty stats” you put up on bad teams don’t matter but they do matter if you put up the same or better numbers on a good team. devin booker was labeled as an empty stats guy early in his career because his team was one of the worst in the league. the man dropped 70 but nobody cared because they lost the game and his team was trash. then he got a good team and put up even better numbers so now those empty stats you got before matter because you put up the same numbers on a good team

[@SKTV1991]

They matter period. They don’t matter to you cause this generation sucks Kobe and Mike off. Plain and simple. People talk too much about a sport they can’t play

[@DavidWilliams-pw1bz]

The 70 was trash from Book because the game was in hand and I think they were fouling late so he could reach that number. Now if it came as a result of him trying to get a W but they lost whatever that happens it was the scoring equivalent of Ricky Davis triple double.

[@SKTV1991]

@@DavidWilliams-pw1bz that's the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life

[@theshire5239]

Pippen quit on the team, failed to secure the deal he wanted, and after MJ bring you 6 rings, he’s still sour as hell. Grow up and move on!

[@BooHefner]

Did Jordan quit when he literally walked away from his team while under contract twice? So jordan never made it out of the first row or even won a total of two playoff games without Pippen but somehow he brought Pippen six rings? ya'll just can't accept the fact everybody doesn't dick ride jordan like ya'll do

[@srtghost3842]

Jordan literally quit on the team.

[@Nomorequestionz62]

Jordan got 10 scoring titles he made the playoffs every year he won the scoring title 6 of his ten scoring titles came in his championship seasons

[@wesmyone9562]

The sista was on that bs, talking about, "he's for the streets too, he was getting ran through too🥴". Women, if you don't sit down somewhere😒...

[@21nitsua]

Gil keeping it real 💯

[@bradleydawson1819]

Jason Hehir said in an interview with Dan Patrick that didn't interfere with the making of the documentary and said MJ had the power to override him but never interfere & let him make the documentary. The interview is on KZbin 5/4/20 Scottie should be mad at ESPN and Jason Hehir since he so salty.

[@llman03]

Scottie told the truth. Basketball is a team game.

[@khaledzahlan3962]

7:15 shawty spittin, that and the fact MJ’s kid did.. we’ll you know what😂

[@bm102883]

If you’re playing a competitive sport. Its always Mamba mentality. Period.

[@geebster.]

Scottie has taken it a bit too far, but MJ was considered a selfish bad teammate before they started winning (go read an article from a Chicago newspaper when Jordan was getting bounced in the first round). The difference was that social media is much bigger so everyone sees the negativity, but the same negative things were said back then too.

[@elovette1923]

It’s funny how soon as Gil was talking about being fooled by these rookie videos the one w/ Scoot drop. Bra might be a fortune teller lmao

[@jasonnelson6624]

It started with Wilt everyone said yeah he is the greatest player statistically offensive and defensive but Russell is a team player and why he wins rings. Ignoring the talent they played with. Jordan was labeled the same way just as Kobe was when Shaq left. Its a team sport 5 will beat 1. LeBron always needed at least 2 hall of fame level players to have a chance for titles. The best teams win not the best player.

[@charlesgaboton]

Correction, LeBron James made Chris Bosh and Kevin Love Hall of Fame players. With no rings, Chris Bosh and Kevin Love are simply all stars, nothing more, nothing less

[@tyjones9663]

@@charlesgaboton you don’t need a championship to be hall of fame

[@jasonnelson6624]

@@charlesgaboton ok so we are still judging hof by rings? But even with that criteria I still think you are minimizing Bosch and love. There stats and roles took a huge hit by teaming up with LeBron. Maybe it highlighted weakness in there game. But what did LeBron have before bosch, wade and allen? A superstar who didnt want to shoot free throws or take the last shot. Maybe he needed them to build his confidence. Its not easy to find superstars willing to be role players even if its to win. Ultimately it's a job and paycheck for some.

[@jasonnelson6624]

@@charlesgaboton to be fair I did expect more from bosh. When Jerry West felt love wasnt as good as his stats showed, and not to trade klay for love. So even though I though love was a double double machine I know Jerry West know more and can evaluate talent. Just saying I agree with you on there All-Star talent. But both could have arguable had better careers had they stayed or not joined lebron. With no rings of course.

[@Joe-yv4vu]

Helicopter treatment classic

[@lukekylestanley4072]

Almost NObody says that player achievements are MEANINGLESS. That's why the people actually get AWARDS and are celebrated for single player ACHIEVEMENTS!😉 The misunderstanding is trying to equate those achievements with being the captain franchise player of your CHAMPIONSHIP team. People are saying those single achievements are GREAT and have meaning with awards and recognition, BUT do not diminish the value of a captain franchise player that wins CHAMPIONSHIPS, and act like when that Captain Franchise player wins a ring that-that is NOT of extreme importance-because THAT-actually is the entire goal or pinnacle of competition in the NBA. Captain Team Leader Franchise Player of Championship team

[@n.dewayneb9258]

No reason for Scottie to make up anything. He can be as brutally transparent as he feels. He is a grown man. Jordan or whomever, speak facts.

[@tyquanwright7062]

I would say the wife situation simply helps fuel an already strained relationship between the two legends.

[@allenpyi]

MJ did not disrespect Pippen in the Last Dance documentary. The contents on Pippen were true. It embarrassed him but it did not disrespected him.

[@pskila]

Man, Brandon Jennings is on point, respect is going directly to the dude MJ and telling him how you think. Larsa Pippen is a harlot, and dating your ex's teammates' son is lowest of the low. Fcvk what that chick was talking about, this modern day mind-set and social media has fcuked up reality

[@seeeyegee3061]

Lebron has been a threat his entire career. Jordan wasn't, for the majority of his career Jordan was seen as a Player that hobbled his team by being a one-dimensional scorer. Consistently failing in the first round (if they made it) he didn't win anything until the Bad Boys were over the hill and out of the way, and Pippen joined the team. Jorden left and the bull still won 65 games. Lebron leaves a team and they go from contender to lottery picks. Brandon Jennings needs to grow up. It's obvious Scottie has tried to be a professional by not laying out his criticisms of Jordan and the Last Dance was the final straw. That's what motivated him to change his tune.

[@TheWayMyMindWorks]

Yeah that snatched his Ex Boo was pretty lame. Ppl out here worried bout Larsa more than Pip 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@moc_fitt]

LIKE I LOVE HOW SCOTTIE JUST DISREGARDED when it come to mj playstyle???.. Bro would know more than anyone on a play by play, game by game, yr by yr basis of what mj actually did and not just the nostalgia of it.. THANK U GIL. TY GIL.

[@m.j.w.2876]

Scottie has zero credibility at this point, hes all over the place at this point

[@brandonwells9435]

At the end of the day, Jordan always gave Pippen his respect. He always said that you cannot talk about MJ without Scottie Pippen and said he was his best teammate ever. Pippen salty

[@marcusleary8571]

Michael has credited scottie enough he doesn’t need to go in a tour to say how much he appreciates when he asked the question he credits him to his n the teams success idk I can see why pip on Jordan was a bad teammate in the beginning because he trust em but once he did they were winning n honestly hall of famers credit scottie too your peers are giving you praise who cares what ppl who critique n never played at the level think

[@moneymakingking5144]

Scottie was talking years ago. He he'd said 8 years ago on ESPN that Bron was the GOAT

[@cooperdeshawn]

Those old enough to remember Jordan playing in the 80s decade also remember the media saying his style of play would not lead the Bulls to a championship. The media and opponents said a scoring champion couldn’t lead a team to a championship until he did so in 91. Then again in 92. Then again in 93. Then he retired. And the naysayers could only call him great!

[@alshawnbrown3166]

Bruh! Gil gets it!

[@khleung1306]

Very much like Kawhi, just because MJ doesn’t speak doesn’t make Scottie who been speaking loudly on national television right. Exact same thing goes to Gil, you’re not automatically the wise one because you speak more and louder.

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Scottie act like we didn't see him... everything that was said in that Doc about Scottie was true.. nothing new

[@r2rmi11y7]

Top people think singular first and then they become open arms

[@alexanderchristian8809]

“Shit was different when Mike left and it was Scottie team”

[@StuntmanBeatz313]

Jordan is the only player to be MVP, All NBA, All Defense, Scoring champ & Finals MVP all in the SAME season & he did it FOUR TIMES… that is more impressive than accumulating stats over 2 decades.. What are we talking about

[@Faust_YT]

To be fair if you're on the opposite team I'm not here to make friends with you, I'm here to beat you and prove I'm a better player. Which is what MJ and Kobe are all about. And it's just sad Pippen acting that way, dude is too salty.

[@kanieluspryor126]

Pippen ain't lying. Jordan himself said I couldn't win without scottie pippen and Jordan fans ignore real facts that will take anything away for his legacy. Scottie always lockdown the best player not Jordan.

[@BIGHOMIEBUBBA]

Brandon Jennings sound like he going through something 😂😂

[@erics3113]

Gil wasn’t even alive to see Jordan career in the beginning he has no dog in this fight

[@srt392_quay4]

Meaningless is so goofy… rookie of the year etc. meaningless ???

[@williejackson9919]

I 100 percent agree with Brandon Jennings!!!!!

[@dough5415]

Man, Scottie didnt even send condolences after MJs pops got murdered! Scottie been salty since 91

[@datadude295]

Gil is spot on here

[@darhylbenson3128]

6 outta 10 scoring titles were in championship years!!!!!! N 2 others were him going to the ECF

[@Murph2008]

Lies.....If Jordan FG% was 51% his first season. Hurt year 2 minimum games....and shot 48% year three before Scottie....his FG% went up to 53% Scottie 1st year...if that's horrible play averaging 28-37pts a game the I hate to see good...

[@prod5429]

Say what you want, but Scottie was speaking facts. The Bulls we're struggling before him, Rodman, Couchoch and Grant joined the team. Scottie shut the floor down enough for Jordan to clean house. Rodman stayed on the glass and Grant was an all star legend that didn't get to prove himself until Jordan left, because the team format was to hand the ball to Jordan.. Jordan was smart and leveraged his position to recruit all of the people he couldn't beat.

[@rhazelx]

Horace Grant an all star legend? Boy kindly log off KZbin and never come back for saying that dumb shit 😂😂😂