Gil's Arena FUMES Over The Favorite For The 2025 NBA MVP

Gil's Arena FUMES Over The Favorite For The 2025 NBA MVP as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew debate who should be the frontrunner for the 2025 NBA MVP between Jayson Tatum, Joel Embiid, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Nikola Jokic & more and discuss how the media controls a player's legacy through MVP voting.
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[@pluto2k]

“if you take away joker’s assists he wouldn’t be MVP” the man averaged 9 assists as a center bro . if you take away ANY ONE GOOD STAT from any player ever then they wouldn’t be deserving of an award

[@austinwilliams6239]

His team is surrounded by Lottery picks. He had the easiest route to mvp ever.

[@crazydumb1861]

@@pluto2k take sga pts away dude will be worse than ben Simmons lol

[@LeoorLeonard]

@@austinwilliams6239fact and the league were changing mvp requirements to hand him mvps

[@aircody345]

@@austinwilliams6239 in house development is a bad thing? what are you even saying right now? by the way, not a single 1 overall pick. The lucky ass Twolves have two #1 overall picks in their starting lineup. Jokic is literally a 2nd round pick himself.

[@austinwilliams6239]

@@crazydumb1861 Sga average 30 without those dudes bruh lmao

[@JATARO9]

"They use the assist" 😭😭😭😭😭 how dumb is gil dawg lmfao

[@ElsnaGz]

Whenever they bring up Jokic the spirit of ignorance and stupidity flies in

[@David-mt7tj]

They really said, "if you take away this important, game changing stat..." and then also said efficiency is a "white man" term. Let's get honest, Westbrook may have been a triple double machine but he also ate a ton of possessions up to get there. Efficiency is important... doesn't matter if you're black, white, green. Not sure why these guys always make it about race.

[@franklinfitzgerald6723]

Same as SGA. McCants is taking away from him for being efficient.

[@ntnnot]

💯

[@chikipsg]

Its the spirit of jealousy

[@gloryroad7452]

That is because Jokic is overrated he stat pads a lot 😂😂😂

[@pluto2k]

the fact that these guys genuinely believe only scoring and PPG determines the greatness and value of a player is crazy sl 😂

[@alimurph18]

That’s why none of them are champions

[@younglord777]

@@alimurph18mane sthu winning a chip is completely situational. Absolute bums win rings all the time.

[@ernestagwu]

@@younglord777absolute fact

[@user-oi3su7sw5n]

​@@younglord777gold girls setting on a couch Hating cause there basketball career ended before it started 😭😭😭

[@tbjb009]

​@user-oi3su7sw5n and you're sitting on your couch hating on them...so it's a revolving door

[@kennyscott2421]

The Joker hate and jealousy has to stop man. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Nuggets had the same record as the Thunder

[@van2.060]

Denver was suppose to be as the champs...OKC was not...expectations were different my boy

[@gerardrbain1972]

​@@van2.060Joker shouldn't have won the MVP

[@van2.060]

@@gerardrbain1972I agree...absolutely not..he had a MVP year no doubt...but SGA was rhe MVP in my book

[@MichealWalou]

​@@van2.060 but where's the reasoning when jokic was the no1 seed last year and didn't win. these same guys fought for embiid and said he deserved it as the 3rd seed, each year the narrative changes

[@joeymanny]

paid by klutch sports

[@aircody345]

Are we insinuating that Jokic stat pads? Or is he the guy that doesn't care about hoop and just his horses? Take away his 9 assists? The amount of hoops yall are jumping through to discredit him is hilarious. Jokic plays every game too, thats what really seperates him.

[@brittanywilson9361]

Russ did the same thing and they say he stat padded hmmm wonder why the difference

[@TripVino]

@@brittanywilson9361it’s not the same show me a season jokic averaged 5 turnovers per game ?? oh you can’t show me a season jokic shot 24 times a game and averaged a fg percentage of 42% ?? Oh you can’t show me any of jokic teammates moving out the way so he can get rebounds ?? Oh okayyyyyy !!!

[@van2.060]

@@TripVinoJokic has lottery picks all around his team so he doesn't have to do everything for the like Russ did..Murray lottery, AG lottery, MPJ lottery, KCP lottery what that means is be has a talented team...and not just lottery top 10 talent...name the 2nd best player on OKC team that year? Moving out the way for 1 reb when he avg a triple double is crazy lol...so guess we can say Jokic hold the ball to get the assist instead of getting a hockey assist on the swing swing lol...man stop lol

[@TripVino]

@@van2.060 bruh you sound so goofy tf are you talking about draft picks for ? Is jokic the gm of the team stoopid NO okc drafted many players who developed well it’s just Westbrook was a bad teammate and a ball hog during his prime you forgot okc drafted sabonis? the same year he averaged that bum a$$ triple double bruh couldn’t even stay around long enough to develop because Westbrook stat padding every night you forgot he got put out in the first round that year he had 50 point game with 46 shots and 18 free throw attempts 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣 jokic would never

[@nickjones5495]

He cares about hoop holy shit you're clowning all over this comment section

[@reggiewilliams6357]

This is why Tatum receives unwarranted hate, the media continues to put him in conversations he doesn't belong. He's a great player but it's going to be hard for him to win MVP because there will be several nights he won't be the best player on the floor because Boston is stacked.

[@J-Hue]

Boston is stacked, but he's also just not that guy. If he brought it on more nights, he'd get the shots and stats to be mvp. But other players outplay him often enough in big games that it highlights he's not mvp level.

[@MichealWalou]

what is sga's case over tatum because alot of people say mvp should prioritize winning tatum has that over sga by 7 games. they speak about stats. SG averaged 30pts/5 rebounds/6 assist. while tatum averaged 27pts/8 rebounds/5 assist

[@Sticktothemodels]

He’s been 1st team all-nba 3 straight seasons averaging 28-8-4 over that span. Won a championship leading his team in pts, rebs, & ast. You don’t know ball

[@kojirod.dragon3724]

@@SticktothemodelsNah, if you’re that guy there’s no debate. He didn’t even win FMVP or eastern conference MVP. Him and Brown on the exact same level of player.

[@GurtonBuster07]

Nah, you a joke.

[@justinhymes4911]

The hate for jokic is real ⚒️🏀🏆

[@louisreed25]

Don't nobody hate on joker 😂

[@user-oi3su7sw5n]

​@@louisreed25the gold girls mad cause they career was over before it started

[@user-oi3su7sw5n]

A bunch of broke trolls setting on a couch Hating on another basketball player cause they basketball career died 😢😢😂😂😂

[@xxtooshiestyxx8756]

Bro got 2 MVPs wit like >50 wins... Should've won 2023 yr but they cheated him nd gave it to him 2024 instead... SGA took a tm dat didn't make the playoffs to the 1 seed and avg 30ppg shooting 50% from the field...play both sides of the ball and won the tiebreaker by beating Jokic h2h... Y'all ack like nobody can critique dis dude meanwhile comparing him to prime LBJ and MJ is beyond laughable 😂

[@IncognitoSee]

He ain’t American fuck em

[@Go_Wit_Da_Flow]

It's funny how much Black players get triggered by a White player winning MVP. And it's dumb to come into a season with MVP frontrunners when you don't know what can happen throughout an 82 game regular season. The metrics to win MVP are a joke since the 90's, but Mainstream Media and Vegas odds having favorites before even training camp starts has caused this conversation to become even more ridiculous.

[@315giants]

the joker hate is crazy lol

[@Steveooter]

What hate?

[@315giants]

@@Steveooter The constant lies to diminish his legacy. A prime example is when he misstates his stats, Josiah tries to correct him, and then Nick Young chimes in with some stupid comment like, 'Oh, you're on the white man's side' or whatever tf he said. It's not a stretch to believe he's doing it deliberately, especially since he's admitted he does it for clicks and views (watch skap attacks new video where he states why he does it ). But people often overlook that context and just focus on the lies, perpetuating the hate based on constant defamation of his name for views.

[@Mia-wp6k]

Josiah talks like he is trying to make his voice deeper.

[@stever5753]

Josiah talks like he is trying to make his voice deeper

[@romeano4882]

Right 😂 nigga wanna be cool so bad

[@jay7166]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@iKingReLL]

🤣😂🤣

[@ocxcalhoun3190]

That’s HILARIOUS 🤣

[@LeoorLeonard]

The guy is a corny dude ngl

[@rory8254]

I understand the Caitlyn Clark hate cus shes only a rookie but hating on jokic? Bro been doing this shit for years just say u mad he’s white and move on with your day 🤦‍♂️

[@Bloomsburg14]

Everyone starts at 0 in the beginning of the year, it should not matter what you did last year. This years MVP is based on what you did this year.

[@369pendulum]

I think Gil is mentally disabled

[@uplayulay]

Na what Gil said makes more sense

[@richarddrewwaltoniv]

That's false. Certain people do start with an MVP boost from the previous year

[@presholla]

Shut up

[@van2.060]

Y'all did read that he said SHOULD right? He never said that's how it is

[@bigtizzy5931]

Watching guys dance around the fact a white guy is the best player in basketball is hilarious

[@Steveooter]

Says who

[@trueprophets4704]

Joker a great player but definitely not the best player I. Todays game

[@jamesiii2585]

Gil’s IQ everytime he talks basketball gets lower and lower everytime😂

[@jaymoore9181]

Says the random unathletic guy in the KZbin comments…

[@MrSuperman957]

@@jaymoore9181 IQ and athleticism have nothing to do with each other

[@jaymoore9181]

@@MrSuperman957 it actually does dummy. You bums in the comments swear yall have more basketball IQ than PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS. Y’all are unathletic weirdos that have never played on any team to even have IQ. That’s the correlation 😂😂

[@CobraKiller04]

@@MrSuperman957in this specific comment convo it does. Don’t be dense. His take was wrong. Gil’s bball IQ is Miles ahead of this guy posting. Conversation done.

[@abelnightroad5162]

@@CobraKiller04 His bball IQ is clouded by his racism and xenophobia

[@dafyyyyyy]

Let me guess. Nick wont choose any European/white guy to be a favorite.

[@vicecityJ305]

So Joker overrated stat padding huh Gil?😂

[@315giants]

lol but russ diddnt n sgas diddnt lol even tho we seen sga come in to hit 30 wen his team was up 15 with 3 mins left n was benched soon as he hit the 30

[@iwj6329]

They leave out that Joker is RIDICULOUSLY more efficient than Westbrook was. If they did some basic research they'd see how foolish they sound.

[@colinnixon7739]

Westbrook was averaged 8 turnovers it was awful😂

[@onlyfacts3178]

Funny how EMBIID was a FRONTRUNNER MVP for the MEDIA because he was playing PISTONS 4 times but LUKA with 0,6 less PPG wasnt when he was making 10 assists per game. STRANGE how narratives change according to what some media wants.

[@Subvroomvroom12]

He is white and European,this year he gets his MVP if he’s healthy i think,but i wouldn’t be suprised if they say he as a superteam because of Klay as they change the narrative every time Luka deserves something

[@onlyfacts3178]

@@Subvroomvroom12 Luka not getting the MVP this season..he is tired... This season the MVP is going to the EAST coast player..they really wanted to give it to EMBIID...I bet they are going to give it to SGA since he was 5th in the MVP last season without even making the play-offs...

[@Subvroomvroom12]

@@onlyfacts3178 I get u with the Embiid thing but SGA not making the playoffs last year?

[@christianluu2994]

These fools ignore percentages, usage % etc. russ and jokers triple doubles aint the same

[@kig4794]

Russ had one of the worse teams of that decade and took his team to the playoffs in the west... stop hating. Russ MVP >>> Jokic

[@Steveooter]

U don’t watch basketball 😂 one’s a 7 ft center and one’s a 6’3 point guard 😂😂😂😂😂 centers are expected to have a high fg percentage 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Steveooter]

Hence because they’re closer to the rim 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kevinlambert5854]

@@Steveooteryou never passed elementary school OP never mentioned fg% you just trying to cope so you making up arguments in your head

[@christianluu2994]

@@Steveooter using emojis doesnt make your point anymore intelligent. Riddle me this, why do jumpshooters have a better percetnage than russ ? Steph, kyrie, dame...all better fg. But yea go ahead and cry

[@hardwoodthought1213]

The fact they continue to equate what Jokic does to what Westbrook did shows exactly why taking N A player opinions as gospel is idiotic

[@the_shadow_healer]

So whose opinion matters? Guys who actually play the game or commentators who don’t play? I’ll take the player’s opinion any day over anyone else’s opinion.

[@axtro800]

@@the_shadow_healerlmaoo your logic of professionals being the only ones who can have opinions is so braindead. We literally watch the same game they do. If anything Gil’s atrocious takes should tell you that their opinions might be some of the worst

[@the_shadow_healer]

@@axtro800 your reading comprehension is a little delayed. I never said professionals are the only ones who can have an opinion, I clearly said I would value and choose a professional athlete's opinion over someone who didn't play professional sports.

[@axtro800]

@@the_shadow_healer your point is still stupid no matter how you try to phrase it you doofus. You’re watching a former professional try to discredit the the achievement of a 3x MVP and finals MVP and you still think the most credible opinions can only come from those who’ve played professionally? Try again loser lmaoo

[@chunknorris97]

Literally just joker hate. You telling me when he averaged a triple double for last years title run he was stat padding?

[@Steveooter]

Oh pls stop being a victim listen to what he said before u start crying like a little girl

[@diongreen3261]

these mf are wild joker is 1 or 2 seed vs 4th and lower

[@rovy1303]

Joker won it as 6th seed

[@jasoncoleman32]

You guys are making this harder than what it should be. If you watch Tatum and jokic play, jokic is clearly the better player. How dare y’all even compare Westbrook and jokic. This is embarrassing

[@KreyzAim]

Don’t compare Westbrooks mvp to Jokic MVPs. They are nowhere near the same narratives. Jokic was stuffing the stat sheet while being efficient and winning games. Westbrook was stuffing the stat sheet and it ends there.

[@kohanu95]

Westbrook was winning games, got his team to the playoffs that mvp year, in a tough west

[@KingCarolina_]

@@kohanu95as much as I hate to admit it, all 3 of Joker’s MVPs are better. I’m a huge Russ fan.

[@kohanu95]

@@KingCarolina_ I disagree

[@demedusaacademy]

You tripping

[@van2.060]

Yeah bro you're tripping...that year OKC lost when Russ didn't have a triple double...they needed every single thing he did that year to be competitive

[@Starwaveomg]

The reason joker is the MVP is because he is literally the #1 on his team no one to carry him to wins, no jaylen brown no kristof porzingas more efficient more reliable lol jayson ain’t got shit on the joker straight up

[@dominiquebrown2890]

The reason joker is mvp is because embiid was injured

[@LeonterBossman]

His Pick And Roll Partner Is Jamal Murray And Jamal As Bailed Out Jokic Numerous Times Bro 💀 U Got A Got Hella Horse Buss On Yo Bottom Lip .. I Think You Should Wipe That Off

[@TyrellGreenlee]

No one to carry him??? Murray got several game winners this last playoffs alone 🤣

[@user-uj9kb3pk7d]

His third option is MPJr … and don’t forget Gordon .. tell me you don’t watch ball tho

[@Eye_Know]

⁠@@user-uj9kb3pk7dthe same MPJ that forgot how to play in the second round? you said his name like he’s KD or something lol

[@GreenBeanMrClean]

Brandon just casually sitting there spectating the debate is funny to me 😂

[@jasonforte409]

Lol don't be saying nothing

[@crazydumb1861]

They talkin bout padding stars but multiple times sga stays in the game during garbage time trying to get 30 pts lol

[@michaelknight5097]

These mfers don’t watch the games…Gil have all them screens up just to be scrolling on OF

[@crazydumb1861]

@@michaelknight5097 Fr lol

[@joshahlstrom2764]

This is straight up hating lmao SGA plays way less minutes than Luka for example and you’re not gonna call him a stat padder? Or Tatum? I can easily recall them doing it last year lol

[@van2.060]

@@joshahlstrom2764yeah if you watch OKC games the one thing you can't say is SGA is stat padding lol...that's crazy talk...SGA nor Jokic are stat padding

[@crazydumb1861]

@@joshahlstrom2764 bro I seen games okc up 20 and every starter gets subbed out except sga… and he tries hella hard to score 30 then he subs out

[@OmegalevelCord]

Gil’s xenophobia will always be present when a euro is involved

[@nickjones5495]

Cry. If Luka had the 1 seed he'd be the MVP. It's called yte flight.. foh

[@J-Hue]

Welcome to pro sports. You probably don't mind when white athletes are called intelligent and black players are called instinctual or when players like Nash win mvps averaging 15 and 12 when no black ph has ever gotten close to an mvp with numbers that low. Or when Nash won his 2nd mvp for leading the team in assists when he had a teammate the same season leading the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and steals.

[@MrDiMES123]

@@nickjones5495I mean you’re not lying… damn

[@dumagirl1985]

Well he is either a racist or a racist with insecurities😅

[@joshualester5154]

They’re blinded by the white hahaha

[@DrMcgrathmedical]

Mvp means if you take the player off the team they dramatically get worse than others. Put sga on the nuggets let’s see what they do put jokic on the thunder and Celtics let’s see what they do

[@J-Hue]

One aspect of that to not forget is to swap out their top costar with a complimentary costar of similar value to make things as equal as possible. That said, swap out Murray with a Adebayo which is similar value positional and I think Denver wins the same amount of games, maybe up to 60.

[@joeymanny]

These fools didnt know Jokic is the most efficient and also the highest winning p-ercentage, and still discredit him and undermining his assists? Then if lebron avg a 8 apg this fool Gil call him greatest PG but for Jokic its padding stats?? the double standards paid by Klutch SPorts

[@boblully5053]

Bros think jokic stat pads he’s capable of scoring 40 a night look at what he did to Rudy he scored 40 with 13 assists 0 turnovers lol jokic doesn’t care about basketball tatum stat pads at the end of games and sga Is a foul merchant how many fouls does jokic usually get ?

[@kig4794]

Jokic stat pads... every NBA player does it

[@boblully5053]

@@kig4794 you think jokic purposely misses for rebounds ? Lol bro cares more about horses than basketball

[@J-Hue]

Stat padding may be a fair assessment. Their team has too many quality scorers in the starting lineup to struggle hoe they have. But, when everyone has to wait around and can't operate with the ball because Jokic has the ball so much, it hinders the offense a bit. If he got in better shape to he able to gave a bigger impact on the defensive end, he could free up more space on offense for other players to shine. I'm not knocking his game, but their could be a fair point to be made about his play.

[@realone296]

​​@@J-HueYou are dumb...😂😂😂 Jokic has THE LEAST amount of help out of any superstar on the league...Never even played with an all star... He makes them look bettter by playing winning basketball dummy... Learn basketball...

[@realone296]

​@@J-HueJokic has the least amount of help out of any superstar...never even played with an All Star... He makes his teammates look better by playing winning basketball... Learn basketball casual...

[@Eye_Know]

can these mfs do watch parties this season it ain’t no way they’re watching these games…

[@THEREALYOUNGREAL]

As long as Jokic is playing at the level he is playing at and they are winning he should be the MVP until someone else proves he isn’t he’s an Elite big man

[@van2.060]

Embiid before he got hurt was the MVP...Embiid healthy is the most dominant big in the league...it's definitely not a lopsided thing

[@J-Hue]

That's dumb. If every other player has to be the best player in the league and he just has to be elite, you're asking that he be given preferential treatment and awards even when he doesn't deserve them just because he's good enough to be in the conversation. This, in a nutshell, is the mindset that got Nash 2 mvps despite being statistically the worst single mvp in league history by far. And it's also why black fans and ex players are hesitant to heap too much praise on some of these white players. They know y'all can't wait to try and force them to the top even when they haven't earned it.

[@eddierivers3250]

Well if that’s the criteria Giannis should have won 2-3 in a row then

[@Lister-gf3hi]

@@van2.060 How many games did Embiid play? lol Luka finished with very similar stats to Embiid but with more assists and he did that over the course of a whole season not just a third of one or however long it was before Embiid got injured

[@nathanbedfordforest]

I love how the same people that trashed Westbrook triple double seasons day Jokic should be the MVP because he's close to what Westbrook did.

[@ghettoxgotti5571]

And that’s all there saying they not hating they just wondering why one guy gets credit for ALMOST averaging a Triple double and the other smaller guy is a stat padder for ACTUAL doing it 🤣

[@ricobaybee86]

Jokic is Top 10 in 4 categories with third best record in NBA and Nuggets wouldn’t make the playoffs without him SGA has a better supporting cast Thunder has a way better bench than the nuggets they run a 9 man rotation while nuggets run a 8 man rotation barely and they have to have two starters on the floor at all times

[@DIRTYMATTRESSWRESTLING]

Nah Gil talking bout “if u take away his assists” Nah ain’t no taking shyt away to make ya point

[@MrRockapoodle72]

These dudes completely neglect that Lukas stats absolutely shit on SGAs yet they all talk about SGA getting snubbed

[@qzsno]

it’s because of the media luka had basically no chance of winning so we just gotta talk about luka

[@dsmvfl363]

I used to be a SGA over Luka mvp supporter, but after the playoffs I agree, Luka should have gotten it this year

[@van2.060]

Stats is not just what makes a MVP...SGA had stats, played both ends better than Luka, and his team was better record wise and no one thought OKC would be that...plus Luka has Kyrie who's better than the next best player in OKC..Luka is the best player in the league IMO but last year if it's between Luka and SGA for MVP it's SGA easily

[@younglord777]

And here you go completely neglecting the fact that the thunder are the 1 seed while being one of the youngest teams in the league and sga actually plays defense.

[@deehayz573]

Because SGA led his team to the number 1 seed averaging 30 and tied for the league lead in steals, and if you want to add he out played Luka head 2 head in the playoffs thats why

[@tomazvibe4042]

The BB IQ in that room is precious

[@boopmcdoop7841]

Joker got the MVP this year because the media felt foolish after seeing him and Embiid in the playoffs last year.

[@kjjr3270]

No he won cause Embiid was injured tf? Did you even watch this NBA season?

[@Lister-gf3hi]

@@kjjr3270 Luka finished with very similar stats to Embiid bur with more assists and he did that over the course of a whole season not just a third of one or however long it was before Embiid got injured. People acting like Embiid put up those numbers for the whole season or would've but nobody knows if he would of

[@okramman]

This is by far the worst NBA show around. Buncha causal clowns man

[@TheBlk1boi]

DO YOU ENJOY WATCHING???😂😂😂

[@Steveooter]

Who’s forcing u to watch? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Steveooter]

Blink twice if u need help 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@315giants]

lol if you put it into chat gpt jokic still wins he has the best raw stats and best advance stats

[@van2.060]

No real basketball person gives a damn about advanced stats...and raw stats don't just make you the MVP....SGA had great stats, his team exceeded their expectations, and was the #1 seed in the toughest conference...that's the MVP...doesn't mean he's the best player but he was the MVP

[@315giants]

​@@van2.060The Celtics team was built off advanced stats; the GM came out and said, Advanced stats are where our focus is, what we are trying to build our team around, and they just won. So miss me with the 'oh, real fans don't care about advanced stats' when it's obvious it's what GMs focus on. You only don't care about advanced stats when they don't back up the player you like. If SGA had the best PER and box plus-minus in the league, you would absolutely use it to advocate for him for MVP. Stop the cap, bro

[@van2.060]

@@315giantsI played ball bro pro ball...I don't give a damn about PER or advanced stats and no real basketball people do either lol..and you show me where Brad Stevens said he built a team on advanced stats lol...cause I bet you Boston doesn't have a tean full guys that led the league in much of anything individually outside of Porzingis have the most postup points and that's not a advanced stat...Boston won cause their D on the wings was outstanding and their offense ran a 5 out and all 5 could shoot it...had nothing at all to do with advanced stats bro😂🤣...no real basketball people give a damn about advanced stats lol

[@van2.060]

@@315giantsand notice in my original statement I never said FANS don't care about advanced stats I clearly said real basketball people meaning the players that actually play or played the game...big difference my boy

[@315giants]

@@van2.060 LOL, Google 'Brad Stevens advanced stats'; it's literally the first article from ESPN. To say the Celtics had nothing to do with advanced stats and their winning is either a flat-out lie on your behalf or you are just completely ignorant of what's going on in the NBA. I'm not going back and forth with you because you seem to think you speak for all NBA fans just because you played pro ball, so only your opinion matters, I guess? LOL. But yeah, you are wrong; today's NBA is the most analytical it's ever been. We see that by how many threes and 5 to 8-foot shots are put up versus how few midrange shots are put up in comparison and thats just one point to point too.

[@jayklay5709]

Embiid been in the league since 2014 never made the conference finals but he’s a mvp and top 5 every year smh yall be moving goal posts fr

[@WillieSirmans9ll]

The Michael Jordan MVP award is a regular season award...Keep that in mind

[@xaviersanchez6224]

@@WillieSirmans9llyeah but notice how tatum is the "front runner" from last season...so they do actually look at the past

[@WillieSirmans9ll]

@@xaviersanchez6224 Tatum is their front runner...it's all opinions..mines is Lukas or SGA..Possibly Curry

[@moneymarr]

Embiid didn't even play the first 2½ years of his career, so please STOP making up stuff dude! 🙄

[@J-Hue]

​@@xaviersanchez6224 He's been looked at as a front runner early on for a few seasons, but his stats never measure up. I think a lot of people are tired of putting him in conversations he simply hasn't proven he should be in.

[@brianerisca6822]

Everytime they talk about Jokic im convinced these dudes don't watch lol

[@GregoryFergusson]

Gil's reasoning about SGA over Jokic is the same bias that he's accusing the media of because when the players were voting, they were even worse. They picked their favourite players. He had a point almost where the metrics should be used and things like true value stats measured and so there's no need for voting unless there's probably a tiebreaker needed. Denver minus Jokic = a playoff team? OKC minus SGA = a playoff team? That differential needs to be calculated or estimated when determining MVP too. Take Tatum off Boston, we know they're still a top 3 contender in the East and that's the problem. Now, if the team was constructed more like Denver then Tatum would be more in the running for MVP

[@programme9363]

Why are they discrediting Jokic assists as if he's not potentially the greatest passer ever? Easily top 5

[@danielmaia3559]

Why don’t we just divide the players stats by 82 instead of by the players player games so we can actually have a discussion about their season. Rather that than separating the fact some players did not play as many games as the joker for example.

[@iworkharvey4103]

MVPs used to be among the best defenders in the NBA, and now this decade’s MVPs are among the worst defenders in the league. 🏀No one seems to care about defense when it comes to MVP voting, but it definitely matters a lot when it comes to winning close playoff games and championships 🏆

[@randybailin4902]

Rashad looks like he's waiting for his Whopper.

[@harisbakaliaou2982]

A few days a week I watch this podcast so to see how to avoid STUPIDITY

[@kyleshipp1140]

Fuck it. Bronny MVP 2025

[@keiseanb1]

Facts. #JamesJrMVP2025 #Jamesgang #livelaughlove and whatever else LeBron always throws in the hashtags 😂

[@michaelknight5097]

@@kyleshipp1140 GLeague MVP!!!

[@wpdmir2155]

This trolling shit needed stop 💯

[@RealWordsTv8]

Gil really shows more and more why he ain't last in the Nba😂

[@BaithNa]

The front runner for MVP is all about narrative and they rarely win so this whole conversation is moot.

[@programme9363]

Nuggets literally have the same record as the Thunder. What? Why is this point even discussed

[@WeezyApologist]

The subtle shot at K.Love 😂

[@wilboricua149]

I actually asked chat gpt to analyze all the stats and advanced stats… Chat gpt concluded that Nikola Jokic should be the MVP. So there you go Gil

[@darnellclemm135]

They’re acting like 1-3 in the west wasn’t decided the last two games of the season. In the voter’s eyes, all three teams had basically the same success.. which is valid

[@garybush5471]

2025 mvp predictions should be based on numbers and mvp voting from last season but in all actuality, 2025 mvp conversations shouldn't even happen or be taken seriously until after the all star break

[@uplayulay]

Sounds like Angel Reese at 8:00 cause I refuse to believe a professional hooper can miss that many layups 😂

[@teddyhart2913]

Ricky Davis was his reference. Missed shots on purpose so he could get the last rebound necessary for a triple double. Andre Blatche did it too

[@King93Cash14]

The problem is "Voting" for MVP. It should be an overall consensus just like any ranking system.

[@acedup00]

Westbrook did literallyyyyyy stat pad, the man used to scream at Steven Adams to leave the rebounds to him.

[@Gsynce]

Isn’t this a reupload? Pretty sure i seen this before

[@ross7423]

The reason Tatum didn't get the MVP recognition from voters because he was carried by his team mates all year when he had average-bad games, they still won by 20+ usually. Which showed when he did have big games, they don't mean as much because they're not as dependent on him to play well. If Luka, Jokic or Shai had bad games, their teams almost certainly lose that night. Tatum it didn't matter so much. Hence the 6th place voting. Hard to complain about not getting MVP votes when there's 2 other 20 PPG scorers on his team. So clearly he's not doing it all, and the reason they won the chip is exactly that reason. They had so many guys to contribute. And this panel will lose their mind once Wemby knocks out Tatum of all NBA first team for putting up insane numbers on both ends and making it an all NBA first team with no Americans.

[@theofficialrywilly]

Joker will go down as one of the goats. Hate it or love it. And he wasn’t a lottery pick.

[@ethanjohnson8048]

Aye Nic, stop it with the backwoods man I can hear it 🤣

[@patrickweah8973]

MVP is a an individual award not a team. Doesn’t matter your team wins every game. It’s whoever was the best player that season base on that’ll individual stats

[@Knyghtrida]

First they complain about how some people get awards who shouldn't get them. Now they say the awards odds should be based on how the previous year finished. Stupid.

[@HurrikaneBEA5T]

To be fair to jokic regatding the passing thing,he literally will be swarmed or double teamed once defenders think hes gonna score. He just uses his IQ to pass to someone to get a better shot,more than stat pad imo based off how he plays

[@jamesiii2585]

The first time I heard some one say “stat patting assist” that’s crazy hate

[@j4genius961]

I just watched the video where Kwame Brown tried to clown Gill because his platform was popping at the time...How the tables turn lmao

[@joejeffery5454]

Acting like joker is stat padding when they’re actually winning and he’s a center almost getting 10 assist. Not a guard stealing rebounds from his center when he’s down 20 with 30 seconds left

[@Steveooter]

Gil speaking facts about Jokic

[@Spidahman4283]

The Joker v Westbrook discussion was on the right thread but they dropped it. If you remember those years, Adams/insert PF here boxed out and let the ball drop a LOT of times so Russ could grab it to initiate the offense without needing an additional pass or whatnot. Call it what you will.

[@CrisJunkie]

The problem with Gil and Nick is they're just basing it off on stats, when that's only one part of the equation. Voters are also looking at how you make your team better and how it results in winning. Didn't Denver finish 2nd in the West? They did. As a matter of fact, they have the record as the one seed. They're just second due to a tiebreaker. Jokic's IQ is through the roof and his triple doubles aren't forced. His IQ is so high he can read and predict the movement of the defenses well and then he makes the right plays based on what the defense gives them. Whereas Russ would only regularly drive hard and then drop the ball to a teammate or kick it out to somebody and that made their offense very predictable. Joker directs his teams traffic like he puts everybody in position. With or without the ball, he directs them. That's not Russ. And we know how creative he is at passing he makes you wonder how he has made some of his passes.

[@williamgrierson4133]

Tatum & Brown play in one of the largest media towns. Their comments on social issues eliminate them from every being pushed as they should be. They are better activists than basketball players is the comment that made me realize the why.

[@DrTull-backyard-health-healing]

Its all about "win shares." What percentage of your team winning are you contributing. In the history of the NBA, most MVPs lead the league in win shares. Look it up.

[@seretsed]

I’m convinced Maccants just be talking lol

[@jacktv9503]

Listen if Paul George accepts he’s the 3rd Star and just plays his game and stay Healthy good fcking luck NBA

[@StuntmanBeatz313]

4:53 but why would you “take away” someone stats.. that’s not how it works..

[@MrMex44]

Pass up open shots to get an assist….if that’s ever been a real thing, please provide receipts. So you’re saying joker is sacrificing points for assists??? No one is doing that. Also efficiency does matter. If someone is missing more than someone else, they aren’t as good of a scorer. A bad shot is no different than a turnover.

[@King93Cash14]

MVP is about favorite in the media. Nash won for his record, Jokic/Westbrook won for their stats. There is no criteria, it's who they favor at the time.

[@EJ-mf6vo]

Rashad actually making sense…his 30 don’t hit like other players when they get thirty

[@laudymadecam9467]

That’s because they were blowing teams out bro really should’ve been at like 25-26 a game

[@gerardrbain1972]

Having AI replace the media in voting for awards is a good idea

[@williamgrierson4133]

You're just getting 30 a game is WILD😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@flavachasers4543]

What was that noise at the 4:37 mark?? 😂

[@ericjohnson9803]

😂😂😂

[@ericjohnson9803]

😂😂😂

[@danieljett3251]

This era of media does not like the old school players what Gil talking bout

[@moneymoney3235]

We were talking about jokic like he was gonna make 8 straight finals and couldn’t even make back to back in his legit mvp prime. There’s levels to this shit. Lost against a 22 year old inefficnet play with a 7 footer who can’t shoot

[@docKAM]

Gil not understanding True Shooting% is 😂. Dude doesn't understand that stat actually benefited guys like him. He was a decent 3 pt shooter and good FT shooter so he was actually more efficient than FG% would let on. All it does is tell you that this guy is putting up points on fewer shots because he makes 3s and gets to the FT line. It's not some witchcraft shit bro

[@brxndaveli5834]

Why they keep saying Luka got privlages for voting like he didn’t finish 3rd in the MVP race with 4 1st place votes behind SGA🤣🤣🤣

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

Add 9 Assist???? WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT??? The Jokic convo was fuking stupid.

[@capitalj1987]

Bro had a 71 point game then disappeared for like months wtf was that shit

[@Biggerdawg30]

You can’t keep fuckin up the present because of the past..you can’t protect the past anymore…bro said some shit right there

[@user-lq7rr4ns6z]

The whole convo is stupid. The award is based on next reg season’s play, how can you be a favorite for an award like that before playing a minute?

[@eazymoneysnipe]

7:06 - there’s absolutely no way they actually watch Jokic play

[@chelillingworth9466]

Always sounds like MVP is only offense are we going to give credit to somebody who's a complete player?

[@user-ky7le9bf2m]

MVP is which player has the most impact on a successful team. Tatum has Brown, they share the impact. Durant and Steph shared the impact just as Kobe and Shaq shared the impact. If you take a person off the competitive team and they fold in the RS, that player is in the MVP discussion. These ex players seem to not know how their own fucking awards work.

[@nazeemfonemgaddafi]

It’s a race thing jokers like the 4th best player in the league

[@joeportnoy-qh9en]

you could say the same thing in reverse

[@Sincity702boy]

I get that Shai finished #1 but record wise they were tied with Denver. Tatum has to worry about getting out of Jalen Browns shadow first before thinking MVP.

[@ringbellz1062]

Yeah they don’t tell the full story during these conversations lol. They make it sound like OKC won by 10 games lol and i completely agree with your brown point. Jaylen brown looks more like an mvp than Tatum to me on a consistent basis.

[@van2.060]

You guys sound absolutely crazy lol...1st thing Denver were the champs they were expected to be where they were, OKC was not so by expectations alone being the #1 seed puts SGA over...2nd thing stop the crazy talk man lol...Brown is not better than Tatum period..Tatum led Boston in pts, rebs, and asst, and Brown shot 50% and Tatum 47% and in the playoffs Tatum led Boston in pts, rebs, and asst it Brown was more efficient..y'all stop going wirh this crazy narrative Brown is not under any circumstances to anyone who really knows ball better than Tatum

[@deehayz573]

But they were 3-1 against Denver during the year

[@ringbellz1062]

@@van2.060i personally believe SGA should’ve won. I’m just saying they make it sound like they won by a bunch of games. In my opinion I would take brown over Tatum 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@van2.060]

@@ringbellz10621gm or 10 they were the #1 at the end of the day...and taking Brown over Tatum is a narrative you and others have bought into simple as that...because Brown is not better than Tatum period lol

[@edfgc]

I love how they talk like european players are being putting in a easy pat when you now the nba a the media want that a usa player became the new n°1 player in the league, you just need to look at anthony edwards this playoffs to see that he have 1 good run and they talk like he is the new MJ