Ginault Ocean Rover - Q&A with Ginault, Blue Smurf Lume, and the 181175LSILN

[@ajaxforever5473]

I watch a lot of watch-review videos/channels on KZbin and i have to say you are one of the best.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks man I appreciate that.

[@diablobarcelona]

I keep on returning to this video. It convinced me to buy a 181175LSILN. It took around a month to get to me, but today it arrived at home. Sadly, I am in another country and don't return until around midnight tomorrow. Got a few unboxing photos from the wife, and looks great. She commented that the lume was amazing and that she'd not seen one so good ever before. Also saying that the quality of cut and polish was fabulous. So I'm itching to get home !

[@JustBlueFish]

Nice, congrats. I hope you enjoy it. Tag me on Instagram when you get home and take some pictures! instagram.com/justbluefish/

[@richdubbya]

This one has been out for a little while . I really like it. That will likely be my second Ginault.

[@JustBlueFish]

I think this one is their best model in terms of style.

[@jmoore20121992]

I’ve had my Ocean Rover for over a year now. It was the best I could afford right out of college. Within the first year the bezel broke loose and became bidirectional and the glide-lock clasp had a screw that kept coming loose. Sent it in to get repaired and they gave me a new clasp and fixed the bezel, but the new clasp has recently been having the same problem, a loose screw that blocks the clasp from opening, which is frustrating because I just want to enjoy my watch. The watch is beautiful and keeps accurate time, and customer service was good, but after a year of ownership I can’t help but want something more original. What I really want is a Sea-Dweller 4000 and/or the new OP white dial 39mm. But it will be years before I can afford them. I appreciate the videos man.

[@JustBlueFish]

Put some loctite on the screws they should stop coming loose.

[@eric21881]

I’m eyeballing this hard, I’d love to get it with a display case back

[@JustBlueFish]

Do they do a display caseback model? I don't recall seeing one on their website.

[@matthewfriend6672]

Great review sir! I’m going to get this watch, because I believe in their fantastic details and solid workmanship. Thank you so much for your insight and professionalism in this regard. Cheers, Matt 👍😃

[@chuinator9918]

Great video! I recently received a Ginault Ocean Rover 181175LSILN in mid August. I reached out to Ginault and they offered me this model that wasn’t available on their website at the time. They sent me a wrist shot of the watch and I had to have it. This is the first time I spent over $1000 on a watch. I was fortunate to get the 20% online coupon. I really like this piece, I find myself glancing at it from time to time. I have just within the last couple of years started buying nicer watches. I still don’t think I can drop $8500 on a submariner, but I have bought a Glycine sub combat Goldeneye version, a Steinhart Ocean 2 white, a Victorinox Ambassador 24148, and a few cheaper watches. I like all of those watches but tend to wear the Ginault more. I think I’m ready to thin out the heard and keep my favs. I must say that there are two things that I am not crazy about this watch. 1. The red second hand, although it’s kinda growing on me. 2. The bezel action, it’s kinda weird and feels sloppy, push it down and then rotating feels okay but when I’m just wiping the face clean and get to the bezel it feels like it’s loose. Anyway, thanks for the videos and great work!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching and for the comments I appreciate it Chuinator.

[@BobbyLegs]

Another great review. I am particularly not interested in homage watches or brands who only manufacture homage watches. However, I would like to see what Ginault creates in the future. If they take the same path as Tudor for example. I would love to give them a shot because they are an American company ( I’m not necessarily a buy American or else kinda guy. I just like rooting for the home team) but I’m not there yet.

[@JustBlueFish]

I think there is a lot of potential for good things to come from this company in the future. Keep an eye out I know at some point they do have plans of creating some new and original designs.

[@kylestewart4444]

I got the 181070LSILN which is essentially the exact same but with no date. I absolutely love this watch. I was worried that after watching and reading a bunch of great reviews that I may have built it up too much in my head and was going to be disappointed but the opposite happened. I was even more pleased with the watch than I had expected to be. Clearly this watch is a proper homage whereas so many other so-called homages are just shoddy lookalikes. However, I think this watch has a distinct identity of its own for a few good reasons. The fact that this watch, from day 1 of its design, was not an attempt to recreate any single model of Submariner shows that Ginault actually had to make several design decisions themselves and I agree with every one of those decisions. Picking the best features from different models and creating one watch with all of those features was a great approach and absolutely paid off in the end. The second thing that I think gives this watch a unique identity is the fact that it clearly features a level of machining and finishing quality that is very rarely seen at the $1,000 price point. The enamel dial, maxi indices, top notch lume, superb finishing, the very well regulated movement, the excellent bracelet and clasp, etc, are things we are used to seeing in significantly pricier offerings but very rarely at $1,000. I think the Ocean Rover was a slam dunk for Ginault and I’m very happy to own one. I might even buy a second one.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching I appreciate it. Always good to hear other owners perspectives on the watches I review. I think these watches by Ginault are really well made and impressive.

[@airborneSGT]

I have an Ocean 39 I could send if you really want to do some ultimate homage showdown. Great video and I can say first hand having had Date and Non Date Subs on my wrist side by side with my Ocean 39 that the Steinhart comes up short in many ways.

[@JustBlueFish]

Hey Manny thanks for the offer, shoot me an email at [e-mail] whenever it’s Convenient.

[@jackpurcell274]

I like this watch, I'm trying to collect watches made in US. Unfortunately I bought a RGM this month so no Ginault for me yet. Your content is always informative. I really enjoy them.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@Alex-1611]

Another thing is that in the second hand market someone can get one of these for around $750 if they're patient. Watch recon and watch patrol are good websites to keep an eye on. Only thing is the warranty isn't transferrable.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching buddy. I appreciate it.

[@Alex-1611]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews No problem, love the videos.

[@tennistron588]

I have a Cermaic date GS lume OR2. Hands down the best watch Ive ever owned. I like Submariner design, to me this is better. I only learnt about the controversy after purchasing the watch, frankly it makes owning the watch all the more exciting lol. Ginault have given watch lovers a gift for a watch of this quality at the price!

[@noelmurphy3450]

Many thanks for the really informative and interesting review Guy!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching I appreciate it.

[@CarloDimacali]

Quality, time keeping performance, as well as fit and finish is worth the money for what they're charging. I'd probably buy 2 or 3 watches for that price. But that's just me. BUT! Given the choice between the Ocean Rover and a well made replica for the same price, I'd probably pick the Ginault. Too bad I don't have that money to spend on one watch.... Life goes on... LOL 😉

[@JustBlueFish]

It’s a nice watch, I would recommend them.

[@thehandseesall]

@@JustBlueFish But it is a replica, it just doesn't say Rolex on the dial.

[@dmodi49]

Great video and appreciate the info. I like Sub homages and the Rover design is almost perfect in my eyes. I have been on the fence w/ Ginault as a company but will be pulling the trigger on a Rover soon.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching David. Other than being given the watches to review I'm not endorsed to promote the brand, I'm just overall impressed with their product - I'd recommend it if you like the design.

[@kevorknourian5442]

For me it’s a fantastic watch and it’s on my list waiting for the opportunity of an good discount

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching Kevork. Appreciate it buddy.

[@7rslender]

Great video Guy. Still love my Ginault. Daily wearer. That thing looks killer on a CWC nato grey nato strap :-)

[@JustBlueFish]

You know it's kind of funny. Pretty much everyone I've spoken to that has experienced them loves the watch, and all of the "it's a copy, crappy, overpriced watch" people have never held one in their hands.

[@MarkStark-dx9dm]

That is a really good looking watch. I really like it. I see no problem with the price tag and I would love one in my collection.

[@roblockstock]

Another great review Guy ,I own a Steinhart Oecean One 39 and two Tisell Marine Divers they are very good quality for the price.But now after the new information about Ginault you have provided today I want one gonna save ;) thank's .

[@Billeh556]

Rob Smith I don’t mind spending a bit of money on the Steinhart or Squale but I don’t see the value in an over $1000 sub hommage/copy there are just way too many other options at that price that aren’t a blatant copy.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching Rob. I’ve reviewed the Ocean One 42mm a while back. Good watch, but not to the same level as this one. I haven’t seen a Tisell yet though. How are those?

[@roblockstock]

I'm very happy with quality at the price point they have , sapphire glass ,miyota 9015,ceramic bezel, oyster glidelock bracelet, 348 US dollars Tisellwatch.com

[@Tomatohater64]

Guy, I like this watch and have nothing bad to say about it. I just like many others a lot better. I think 1,500 is fair and reasonable. No problem with the price.

[@JustBlueFish]

There’s nothing wrong with that. No watch is for everyone. And it’s not a small amount of money, you should really love it if you’re gonna spend over $1000 on something.

[@LS98]

Another good review, Guy! I have a Tisell no-date Marine Diver. Overall, it seems to be very well made, with a ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal and a Miyota 90s5 movement. If I have any complaint it would be with the bezel. It’s looks great but doesn’t have the best action. The watch, however, is very accurate. They seem to sell for a premium on eBay, but if purchased directly are about $230.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for the info on the Tisell LS98. I've heard they're kinda hard to get, people have to get on a waiting list?

[@LS98]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews That’s what I’be read on the forums. I bought mine on eBay and I’m pretty sure the seller made a small profit. I could probably sell mine and at least get my money back. I think it’s a one man operation in South Korea. I’ve read the waiting list can be anywhere from one to five months. The person who makes the watches is Mr. Oh. For a $200ish watch, it really seems to punch above its weight.

[@kjakan79]

This is why I love my TC sub.

[@reverb508]

I bought one of the black no-date models with the gold sand lume last year when they were still doing the 50% off deal. It was worth the price then, and I wouldn't hesitate to pay the full price for another (I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a GMT). I alternate it with my Nomos Club and Speedmaster Professional, and in no way do I feel like I'm wearing a lesser watch. In fact, the bracelet on the Ginault is miles better than the speedy's. I'd put the Ocean Rover on par with the Tudor Black Bay in terms of quality. Considering the older Black Bay's had ETA 2824's in them, I'd have a hard time justifying the price difference. I understand the skepticism, and, to a certain extent, the criticism of the company's business practices, but the Ocean Rover is truly a great watch. It's beautiful, built like a tank, and runs within +2 seconds/day. If you're on the market for a classic looking dive watch and can get over the fact that it doesn't say "Rolex" on the dial, I highly recommend you pick one up.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience I appreciate it.

[@marsh1987jm]

I spoke to ginault and they said they was planning on making a GMT version

[@johnhargrave6012]

Another great review. I bought a Ginault after your last review and I totally agree with you that it's well worth the price.

[@JustBlueFish]

Nice, thanks for the update John. Glad you're enjoying the watch.

[@wsrush1985]

Just got the no date smurf off eBay and love it. I even swapped the bezel insert to blue just for a change. Quality is good and mine is running -5 per day for the last 4 days. Your first review played a big role in my purchase thank you!

[@JustBlueFish]

Nice thanks for letting me know, glad you’re happy with it.

[@MrLoughneagh]

Firstly thank you for sharing you're incredible watch knowledge and advise!! Best watch channel on the Internet. One question please if you where to purchase which of the above watches would you buy? Look forward to hearing from you.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching and for the mess, but I’m not entirely clear. If I was to purchase which of the above watches would I buy? What watches, I’m not sure in know what you mean.

[@yuri.borodkin]

Thanks for your vid. Wonder if Rolex tries to sue these homages.

[@JustBlueFish]

No problem thanks for watching.

[@craig2100]

Great review and information

[@JustBlueFish]

Thank you.

[@KenFritz-j8u]

I know I’m late to the party, but I like the Gio brand and will probably buy one probably the silent service. But my question revolves around the folded flag you have in the background. Tell me about it by.

[@TinBin-Craig]

great review cheers... really like the new Ginault

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Craig.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

I have purchased three Ocean Rovers, 2 for myself and 1 for my best friend's birthday. I have been collecting watches for more than 20 years and have ventured from major Swiss brands to micro brands to even the darkside of rep watches. My personal experience with the Ocean Rover is that the quality is simply amazing. Its quality and craftsmanship comes very very close to my Rolex Subs but at 1/8 the price. At the 1k price range, there is really no other rivals. The quality is truly that amazing. And for those who said this is a one man operation using rep parts, I really have to say that's a totally ignorant and baseless statement. I have been to the darkside and I can tell that nothing on the rep market can come close to this quality. Even the famous V6 and V7 are jokes compare to the Ocean Rover.

[@peacelove4994]

The Ocean Rover is not your average $500 pseudo "Swiss Made" Sub homage. I own a few Rolex Sports models as well as some of those everyday house brand Sub homages, and I can say with personal experience that Ginault's quality in the Ocean Rover is scarily close to Rolex and a few leagues above from other Sub homages.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@jfdomega7938]

Another excellent video guy!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks

[@_TheRealGod]

”How bought can you be?” ”Yes”

[@jerzeedan2688]

Keep up the good work Guy!

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks Danny.

[@Nicholas-V]

Did they mention anything about a GMT model? I heard rumors about Q4 2018 but we're running out of time this year.

[@JustBlueFish]

I haven't heard anything about it.

[@marsh1987jm]

I asked ginault and they said they were working on a GMT version

[@4034miguel]

Are they thinking on producing a GMT model in the near future?

[@JustBlueFish]

I don't know what their specific plans are, but I don't think they have any plans for significantly different new models this year.

[@triples4good]

Great video Guy. I have looked at Ginault for a long time. They seem very nice, but, it' still a pretty big trigger to pull. Would you say it's up there with Oris, Christopher Ward and that range?

[@JustBlueFish]

I haven't seen a Christopher Ward yet. So I couldn't say. I've reviewed both the Aquis and the Divers 65 from Oris and all of them have their pros and cons. In generally yes it's a similar level of quality with each of the models excelling individually in different ways.

[@Mark-sd7fc]

Mine has numbers on the center portion of the case back, others have numbers on the outer part of the case back that is polished what’s the difference?

[@privateinfo4820]

Great review, good job! I've considered a Ginault … not sure what's holding me back.. but I'm saving for an Omega Speedie .. side note: is this as good as the Hulk Replica Rolex you reviewed? lol :)

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching buddy. I think the Ginault is a better made watch in a few ways. First of all that replica had some issues with things like a stiff bezel, bad screw down crown threading, and a number of other little things that made it feel unrefined and not smooth. Like I said in that replica video, it was a very good look-a-like but when you had it in hand you could feel things didn't feel quite right. This watch has none of those types of issues. Also while I didn't talk about it on the Replica video, I did notice the replica didn't run well at low power reserve. I took it from a dead stop and give it a little power, just enough to get it running, and then put it on my timegrapher. In that low power state it ran like a dog with 2 broken legs. The movement in this Ginault seems to be more consistent and better regulated for both positions and isochronism.

[@privateinfo4820]

Ah, understood.. think I'll hold off for the Speedie though .. crossing my fingers I get a good xmas bonus and can keep the boss lady from finding it :)

[@garywilliams589]

Hello Guy, I just ordered my OR 181175LSILN, John gave me the option to get the watch with the new SW200-1 movement. So I said yes. Can you tell me if I made the correct decision?

[@JustBlueFish]

I didn’t know they had an option to buy it with a Sellita. I think a lot of people with opt for that over their 2824 clone.

[@guylezius9775]

Great review Guy, yea I’m looking to get the Ocean Rover model Number 181175LSILN, probably late October, trouble for me is at $1499USD, that translates to around $2100AUD 🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ hope they have a discount code on their site when I’m ready to pull the trigger on it, either way I’m adding one to my collection, cheers Guy. 👍👍

[@kainak7603]

Is it twice as good as the Steinhart Ocean 1 Black Ceramic or the Squale 20 ATMOS Maxi Ceramic 1545?

[@JustBlueFish]

I did a comparison video of 6 different Submariner Homage watches, including the ones you mentioned. Check that video out!

[@riseuplight]

Yes

[@Mtalll1]

What I do know about ginault is that they lie a lot. My guess is that they were a replica business at some point. But what I dont really like is that they are not really a homage but a parody in my opinion with their "kinetic continous" and "precicion chronometer" "hand build in america" that not even a thing. I would not pay that kind of money for a parody like that.

[@JustBlueFish]

Lie about what?

[@Mtalll1]

They used to claim "made in america" they got caught in that lie. Now they say "Hand build in america".

[@JustBlueFish]

Aside from the Bracelet, which is entirely sourced from Asia and a few small components in the movement the watches are made in America. If I had to guess, I think they made a mistake or had a misunderstanding of what the FTC requirements for using the phrase made in america were, and corrected the mistake. But if you have proof that shows there was some nefarious intent to defraud consumers I'd of course like to see it.

[@Mtalll1]

Are they still claiming they discovered a gold sand lume from argentina? I look It myself, and now they say, "we travel far to acquire this material" They have been caught in a lot of lies, is up to you if you believe they were buying reviews at a loss. For me I dont even believe theres a jhon mcmurty, he used to go by the name of carl ginault at first, maybe now hes using his real name. But I am a cynic, so dont mind me.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

After reading this, I now am 100% convinced you are just full of SH@T and making stuff up deliberately to defame. I have been following Ginault on the forum since day one. The founder's name is Charles, that info was there since day 1 when they released the BM1. Seriously dude, stop emberrasing yourself.

[@Mark-sd7fc]

The bracelet is the only part that is better than a Steinhart, I own both Steinhart and the ginault ocean rover, in fact some of the ginault watches have cloned ETA movements while Steinhart has a genuine ETA the watch heads are pretty much equal but the ginault bracelet is awesome

[@RandomRobReviews]

Great video. I have owned most of the so called homage competition you listed. Ginault is way better then all of them, so yeah you pay more for that.

[@JustBlueFish]

I remember seeing your video with the Tisell and the problem you had with their version of the glidelock. Whatever became of that?

[@greatlakescruiser5720]

Just out of curiosity...in your live stream when you were asked about a single watch collection under $2000 you suggested Oris....not Ginault. Now that you've seen the new watch would you revise that advice?

[@JustBlueFish]

I just forgot Ginault when that question was asked. Another option I forgot during that live stream is Nomos if I was going to look for a non-diver.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

@Mtalll1 are you Mike Ball the famous Ginault hater on WUS? I have been collecting for more than 20 years. I have traveled across Swiss brands (entry and mid-tiers), Chinese, Russian, Germany, Micros and replicas as well. I can tell you that no replica Subs, even the most high end pieces like the V7x, that I came across even come close to what Ginault is doing if you know what to look for.

[@JustBlueFish]

I think you are still trying to reply to someone but it's not exactly working for you.

[@marsh1987jm]

I recently bought this watch and it's great , but the glide lock keeps adjusting itself it doesn't click into place well enough

[@joeyben2733]

James Marsh how it your glide lock is it annoying that once you lock in place it slide/glide over or skips

[@usergrade1841]

What gives me pause about Ginault is they claim to be a U.S. company yet their website reads like a bad Chinese translation... Good video though.

[@JustBlueFish]

There website is not laid out very well, but I wouldn’t have jumped to the conclusion that it’s a Chinese translation.

[@usergrade1841]

@@JustBlueFish The sentence structure and word choice seems wrong for a native english speaker. It's entirely possible that someone involved with the company is a non-native American and that's cool. It just sticks out to me.

[@nobletype]

So you prefer the blue smurf lume over the golden sand?

[@ssvs0485]

Still no ceramic upgrade:(

[@JustBlueFish]

I don't know if/when they intend to do a ceramic insert.

[@bendavenport5056]

I do like this watch guy ,I think it a fair price .I have a Steinhart Ocean one.This watch is definitely better, I think if it had the Swiss movement everyone wouldnt think twice.maybe A snobbery attitude why people don’t go for it .Ive seen it with twenty percent discount lately.I am saving for my first Rolex otherwise I would definitely buy,but you never know in the future.

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching Ben I appreciate it. The Steinhart Ocean 1 is a good watch, but like you say the Ginault is higher quality. Maybe a Swiss movement would improve the perception of the watch, but the movement they've built is an ETA clone, just like a Sellita, so I'm not sure why it would matter.

[@mackie1567]

Homage enough said

[@pdg61met]

Would love to purchase the Smurf but it's just too overpriced. Should it be priced higher than a Steinhart? Yes. But 3 times the price is a no. The Ginault should be at the 700.00 mark. IMHO

[@JustBlueFish]

I costs them more than $700 to produce the watch. It’s never gonna be $700 bucks.

[@galaga8834]

Guy, If you had a choice between the Ginault and a similar priced Seiko diver or even say a Sumo or SBDC051/53 what would you choose?

[@JustBlueFish]

Definitely not the Sumo, that watch didn't blow me away. I haven't seen the SBDC watches yet, although I would really like to. As far as similarly priced Seiko Divers, I've never really seen a $1200-1500 Seiko diver close enough to give you an honest answer. That said, there are so many factors at play even if I had experience with a watch like you're describing it would be a tough decision. Since I have a Submariner already I don't think I would buy a Submariner homage watch. I like homage watches, but I wouldn't spend my money on one when I have a Sub. Assuming I didn't have a Sub and wouldn't realistically be able to get one the Ginault would be a heavy contender for sure.

[@galaga8834]

I have an SBDC053 on an OEM bracelet and the watch is superbly finished. The movement is solid but is still prone to positional variance, I basically have to lay it dial down to keep it accurate. This is my biggest gripe with the 6R15. I'm confident the Ginault has a better movement but in my opinion, it lacks soul compared to many Japanese and similarly priced dive watches from Doxa, Zodiac and Squale.

[@JustBlueFish]

You bought the 053 then bought the Seiko bracelet separately?

[@galaga8834]

Yes. You can buy them separately or together at Seiya Japan now.

[@JustBlueFish]

That’s cool. I need to check out one of those divers eventually.

[@damecuscroom4966]

Can you source me one of these?

[@pauljackson6593]

I had one didn’t think the quality was that good. (The bracelet )And customer service was poor.

[@JustBlueFish]

That’s surprising to hear.

[@dr.stephengillen695]

I feel like this watch is way better than my hulk. Why would anybody spend 9000.00 on a tool watch that became I made it in life watch. This watch keeps perfect time and a tool watch without worrying about scratching it. It's worth every penny. Save your money guys. This watch is very very good. My Rolex looks stupid next to this for 8 times the price. This brand will shut down every other watch brand that looks like a classic diver.

[@PortugalCarp]

That blue lume is lovely, easier on the eyes if you ask me. Just a pity it has a cyclops.

[@navarrolevel7]

PortugalCarp no pity, cyclops looks better. There is a 1400$ with no cyclops w blue lume

[@kylestewart4444]

I actually prefer sword hands over the Mercedes hands but that’s just me.

[@JustBlueFish]

I like them both, but on this model it's nice to see swords.

[@navarrolevel7]

Kyle Stewart it is just you! Which is why sword hands are used on cheaper tudors than on the rollies

[@sheldonsplace4511]

Won’t lie that gold sands lume stands out man

[@mickb5854]

“It’s all intense enough and long lasting enough to be completely functional for the entire night.” My ex fiancée would disagree.

[@JustBlueFish]

They make a pill for that!

[@joshuahinson160]

Hahahahaha

[@Sef211]

3 X Steinhart = 1 Ginault? Really?

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@Taller-yl9yn]

It’s amazing how this watch rates so well with all the controversy behind it. I read that it is own by a Taiwanese man who made fake Rolex watches. Also, not made in America and movement made in China. Don’t know what to believe anymore

[@lonewolf30531]

The problem with the price of Ginault is the following . The Ginault watch was offered at one point for a entry price of $500-$600 bucks if a KZbin review was done. At the price of $500 bucks there was a profit no business operates on a loss. NOT A WATCH COMPANY. The watch is nice but it is overpriced and that is the truth. It is not worth the $1500 bucks sorry.

[@JustBlueFish]

So you're saying Ginault is lying to me?

[@lonewolf30531]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews , no but they are probably curving the truth . It’s okay though they are trying to build a company. Keep up the good work?👍🏻

[@JustBlueFish]

I really doubt they are curving the truth. Plenty of companies operate at a loss to build the brand. Video game consoles are typically sold at a loss when they are first released to bring in early adopters. KZbin is a loss leader for google, in one article I read their operating budget was something to the tune of $175 million dollars in the negative. When Ginault was offering 50% discounts to people who would review their products they were probably losing a little or breaking even as a part of their marketing budget and the cost of doing business.

[@lonewolf30531]

JustBlueFish Watch Reviews , TESLA also operates at a loss. We are talking about things in a bigger scale. Watches are not on the same $$$scale especially a start up watch brand. If they were not cursing the truth good for them. I hope they continue to grow .

[@romanopeterj]

Great video! My only concern about the Brand is their lack of Marketing to build brand equity. While it does seem that they make a superior product (I wonder how it compares to Monta?), what creates desire and demand is Marketing. I see many other micro brand companies building not only good watches but commiting to educate the public with Brand Marketing particuarly on social platforms like Instagram and KZbin. I realize not every micro brand can jump right into marketing because of budget constraints, but being in the Marketing business myself, I always appreciate a good product supported by creative advertising and marketing.

[@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571]

I agree 100% with you. Value is also determined by the brand's effort in marketing. People pay 8k for Rolex Subs not just because it's a quality watch but also for that logo, that brand prestige it brings. However, marketing is a double-edged sword for us consumers. If they spend a lot on marketing, creating higher brand value, that would in turn translate into a higher retail price for us. What I like about Ginault is that this group is composed of just master watchmakers and machinists, quietly building super high-quality timepieces at a reasonable price, kinda like that bespoke suit tailor, or cobbler in the hidden alleys of Paris, not super famous, but producing fine quality men's wear at fraction of the cost.

[@hugoherrera5567]

I wonder how it compares to the Monta ocean king? Or for that to the Tourby!

[@danniecarmona2509]

Tissel watches are no better than the chinese Rolex knockoffs

[@JustBlueFish]

Thanks for watching.

[@tompiscitelli2548]

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[@eileens6713]

An interesting read about Ginault here: lexic.co/deepdweller/exposing-ginaults-illegal-past-tsung-chi-and-thomas-caddell

[@bustyouup4free]

TC Lives On!!!

[@JustBlueFish]

What?