Ginny & Georgia, Gilmore Girls, and the many faces of single motherhood in TV

0:00 intro
1:06 theme song/disclaimer
1:35 post theme song intro
2:27 TWs
2:44 what is Ginny and Georgia?
3:04 similarities between GG & Ginny and Georgia
4:37 Maxine
4:56 more similarities
5:07 Why Ginny isn’t all that bad
6:00 more similarities
8:10 Thoughts on Marcus and Ginny
8:36 What Bria represents imo
9:32 Ginny’s identity crisis
11:10 Why Georgia moves the audience
11:32 season two
11:38 season two similarities
11:49 Ginny’s mental health
11:59 Reaction to the ending
12:10 mental health representation in season two
16:47 Maxine in season two
17:06 Austin
17:42 Why do people love Georgia but hate Lorelai
21:40 Is Georgia a narcissist?
24:15 closing
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[@s.stevens4520]

I still haven’t finished Ginny and Georgia. TBH I think it’s too heavy on the sex scenes for people that are supposed to be in high school. Also, there’s just too much intense TV these days. That’s the beauty of Gilmore Girls…it’s cozy tv.

[@gabrielleelizabeth465]

I’m glad someone stood up for Ginny. She’s 15, we were all little overly emotional a holes at 15 and she is dealing with earth shattering information, even if she were a full blown adult!

[@sophiathefurbst]

right!! it’s like the “‘this character is problematic’ no, this character is 14” tumblr post. and she’s going through it!! Like-

[@nat3166]

That’s how I feel! “Ginny is so rude” “oh Ginny is a terrible daughter” NO! She just found out her mom killed someone. And she’s moving, she hurts herself…like she’s going through a lot. Chill out.

[@sophiathefurbst]

@@nat3166 I saw someone saying how she stole what symbolized to her mom her escaping her abuse and starting a new life and like yeah I get that those sunglasses were important but I think we’re really glossing over the possibility that she’s using stole in the like way families will use to mean, like, borrowing, or maybe borrowing without asking but with permission that’s been established. Like, I used to “steal” my mom’s clothes when we were abt the same size. Not to mention, Georgia never was shown as being, like, bothered (that I remember anyway but if it was I doubt I’d forget if I were significant), so I don’t think it’s really a big deal??

[@chaosspy6723]

even the actress doesn't like her behavior

[@emilyjo2158]

Also I’ve never understood how people make this 15 year old to be the problem when Georgia literally slaps Ginny in an episode in the first season. Like that’s literally abuse. I honestly stopped watching after that episode because it annoyed me so much how that was just completely glossed over

[@abodybrainheart]

people empathize with georgia and not lorelei for a couple of reasons. 1. traumatic events were talked about, not shown. 2. the abuse was emotional and not physical 3. her parents are now trying to be in her life (even though Emily doesn’t change her ways) 4. it’s hard to empathize with rich people/characters. we see all the things we wish we had, stability, privilege etc. and think “man what’s she crying about?” at least that’s also how i see Veronica Lodge in riverdale

[@beathelightandlove]

Thank you for making this! I watched the first season of “Ginny and Georgia” and was so annoyed by it being compared to GG! I saw Georgia as an anti-hero. I couldn’t possibly understand how one could compare Georgia to Lorelei! Season 2 did a really great job of humanizing Georgia and explaining her actions, but…oiy! It’s frustrating to watch her because she has gotten into the habit of taking the law into her own hands. Never would I imagine Lorelei suffocating another human being.

[@azzz7279]

Georgia & Lorelai both had their daughters at a very young age and they both have that cool young mom vibe about them. Georgia is more tough & edgy than Lorelai, but there are parallels with their love lives. Georgia = Lorelai, Zion = Christopher, Paul = Max Medina, Joe = Luke

[@M.A.Y.Y]

17:45 i feel like a large reason they empathize with Georgia is because of the times the shows were made. When gilmore girls was made teen moms (even as grown women)were severely looked down on. A great example would be the constant nagging about why she didn't marry Christopher. Not only from the Gilmores but also from when Strub and Francine say how she ruined Christopher's life even though he did that to himself. It wasn't like he was involved in Rory's life to the point where he didn't have the time or chance to do anything else, he was all over the place with the freedom to do whatever the heck he wanted to do. Completely disregarding the fact that Lorelai now runs an Inn (and later buys one) and has a degree, they didn't care, it was all about how Christoper didn't meet his 'potential'. The show was made at a time when it was heavily emphasized that it was the girl's fault and not the boy's. even though it takes 2 to tango. It was always about making the boy's life better while the girl was to remain a disgusting eyesore. and while we as normal people with proper brainss would see that that is utter bs, the entire tone of the show from these grandparents was basically yelling that in not only our faces but Lorelai's as well. (quite literally). It was all about how she ruined chris' life and how they should've gotten married and 'done the right thing'. Lorelai always seemed to be in the wrong and doing wrong things. even though they were right and her life turned out well with Rory, it wasn't the route society at the time deemed as 'right' on the other hand Georgia is from a time where, as much as teen moms are still looked down on, their success and hard work to make a life for them and their child is praised and empowered and people are more focused on what will be best for the mom and child, even if that means not forcing them into marriage. the blame culture around teen parents have shifted.

[@nil.2713]

Thank you for this video and mentioning that you do not think that Ginny is an ungrateful brat. I, seriously, feel like people are so easy to judge a character but refuse to see the layers in that character. On top of having a limited perception to Georgia's past she is also just a teenager who has experienced things in her childhood, too. And navigating life as a young and still developing human-being isn't easy. Especially, if you have trauma. Her father and mother are separated etc. Yes, Georgia is a good mother in the way in which she tries to protect her children and would (literally) do anything for them. But from what I have seen, she also tends to overdo it sometimes. And I think that sets her apart from Lorelai (while yes, both are consequent), Lorelai appears to be more mature than Georgia. But then again, their past is vastly different. Georgia has endured on top of her teenage pregnancy, abuse. Back to Ginny: Yeah, I wish more people would take into consideration that she is probably also going through some things ... stress, friendship drama, trying to develop an okayish relationship with yourself etc. and of course that she cannot look into Georgia's brain to see what she has gone through.

[@aivlysplath]

I’ve had problems with self harm since I was a teenager, mostly due to childhood abuse and mental illness. I do find self harm scenes to be a bit triggering, especially if the wounds are shown. I didn’t get the urge from Ginny and Georgia though. They handled it very well, and I’m glad that they pointed out how serious of a problem it can be and that they showed her go to therapy for it.

[@kierralovestv]

I hope you’re doin okay ty for sharing your story ♥️

[@user-md3ji5pw9z]

My problem with Ginny that can honestly be brushed off as “she’s young so she’s not mature enough yet” is that she wants to be understood right like that’s a main driving plot point to the second season, but she never puts in effort to understand those around her. Like for example, Marcus is having a hard time and she automatically assumes it’s because of her. She’s just really self centered imo. I’m not saying she can’t grow out of it but it just bugged me that with a little communication a lot of the problems in her life could be resolved really easily.

[@lisal.1114]

I get were u r comming from. It could be that she is relfecting her mothers behavior here. Considering she is a teen that is actually a phase that people go through. At least if they grew up in a toxic houshold. Hopefully for most people it stays a PHASE. Thankyou for your input. I wasnt able to watch most of the show, because I just felt so uncomfortable, but watched some summerys on yt and I am so disturbed by how people glorify a parent who clearly did not do the parenting in a perfect way and how they blame the child for basically everything. (I know no parent is perfect, but some edits portray it that way in Georgias case) Yes Georgia has her reasons and I feel like the point of the show was to display how it affects both mother and child, when they r mentally not ready and when they have to go through difficult living situations.(Wich would be bit of an undeerrstatement) Sadly people who had a mom like Georgia can relate a lot with Ginny in the beginning. I agree that Ginny is not a good person herself, but Georgia is one of the reasons why. I really hope adult Ginny learns from her mistakes, but I do not plan on watching the whole show anytime soon.

[@M.A.Y.Y]

that intro tho .... even when you are not talking about the topic you're still entertaining lol.

[@kierralovestv]

Thank you

[@user45208]

i love singing the theme song with you, these videos make me so happy

[@em.val170]

I actually saw an interview, or one of those zoom meeting type things, with Brianne Howey and Antonia Gentry joking around saying that Gilmore Girls and Ginny and Georgia are alike but different lmao 😂 maybe it was planned

[@kierralovestv]

Maybe ASP is in the writer’s room.

[@em.val170]

@@kierralovestv most likely

[@daniellee.e_x]

​@@em.val170I doubt it, Ginny and Georgia falls really flat on the jokes, the plotlines and all that.. She wouldn't let that happen imo

[@MH-fz1yn]

Every time your theme song 🎵 🎶 ❤ comes on I have to sing it 🎶

[@k1ckst4rtmyh34rt]

I watched both, but gilmore girls is a comfort show, and ginny and georgia is not that much like it, imo. It's like a gilmore girls darkfic maybe, if uou really stretch it

[@daniellee.e_x]

Agreed, additionally you just don't get the humor ASP used in Gilmore Girls again. It's a once in a lifetime thing but I really hope there will be something similar to it someday. Ginny and Georgia is very underwhelming and falls flat on a lot. I think the only plotlines they do well are the anger ones. And gilmore girls just has so much more, better plotlines, better writing and imo it's a better show, very well created and it's just an actual world you live in while Ginny & Georgia is just singular plotlines around the main Georgia things and if your interest in Georgia doesn't exist - there's no other reason to watch it which imo Gilmore girls does better. While it was said in the video, I still think one can create good plotlines around the dark situations, they made it very one sided while there definitely was a possibility for something more which they just lacked on. You can watch gilmore girls with your dad, your brother aswell as you mom, your friends, grandparents. Everyone has something they can latch onto with good humour in-between. I think Ginny & Georgia could've been so much better with a few more well made jokes but there are barely any in all of the 2 seasons that properly hit.. So yea idk, Ginny and Georgia has some good parts about mental health, racism and all that but otherwise it's really just a very netflix show and I do not see the resemblance between the shows whatsoever I went on a rant, I'm sorry haha

[@TheTbear103]

I was saying i agree out loud through this whole video!!!! So well done Kierra. I'm greedy & want more videos. Yes while watching season 2 i was thinking Georgia was a narcissist. I noticed Ginny's eyebrows as being more defined & similar to Georgia in season 2 as well

[@kierralovestv]

🥰 definetly have more to say, while I was finishing editing I realized there’s still more to talk about bc I didn’t even mention Gill

[@kristy_Henry]

great video ❤

[@astridthecat7633]

I love how nuanced your opinions on these characters are. I've seen so many people talk about this show and they completely despise one character without giving them any understanding, then they think another character is incapable of doing anything wrong. I really agree with how it's difficult to tell who's side your on between Ginny and Georgia because they both have reasons to be acting the way they do. Georgia may be my favorite character but I'm so tired of people saying they hate Ginny because she has reasons to do the things she does. It isn't just that one of them is right and the other is wrong 100% of the time.

[@kierralovestv]

Thank you!

[@jessicac.4927]

Hi there. Thank you for putting out such great, thought provoking content. As far as money being the key to happiness.... I think it's a prerequisite to happiness in a lot of ways. Not crazy money, but enough to be comfortable and not stressed. It brings options, which quite often brings happiness. True there are people with mental health issues, and I am one of those, and I know the struggle... but the struggle without options is a whole lot worse. It's so quippy and easy to say that "money doesn't buy/bring happiness," and my naive self thought as much when I was younger. But in terms of Lorelai, the wealth she was raised in as a child gave her maaany options. Even down to simple things such as dental or health care, if we really think about it. Or just her simple access to healthy food, good education, and connections to any number of other things (art, literature, concerts, fashion, etc). I don't agree that this is some slight against her (having had wealth and abandoning it or whatever) or that she HAD to be happy because of her family's wealth, but let's not pretend it didn't give her a leg up (and the ability to know herself, have experienced the world, etc). Or the opportunity for one. Personally I don't have anything against her character at all, aside from the super unhealthy eating habits (just jealousy on my part lol). That's my sleepy ramble on poverty and Lorelai, I guess.

[@kierralovestv]

I was responding to alot of the comments I get where people essentially argue that bc she had money she should have been able to tolerate abuse which is where I diagree. But yes, I also agree it gave her a leg up in some instances, her termite problem, rory’s tuition, etc and just the basic upper class privilege.

[@jessicac.4927]

@@kierralovestv That makes a lot of sense. I was so exhausted when I wrote that, and probably shouldn't have lol. Thank you for responding with grace, as always. But yeah, no one should put up with abuse no matter what. However, I do think having rich parents was always in her back pocket. Like if something terrible had happened, she could have turned to them. She was just lucky that nothing did until she needed to pay for Rory's tuition. Not that that was "terrible," but you get what I'm saying. I just hate how that phrase has been hardwired into our brains. It feels like some great lie we all agreed to swallow. Money does buy happiness, or rather, it erases hardships that allow you to find happiness more easily than if you were dirt poor. Mental illness is a seperate struggle and ignores wealth. Anyway, thank you for being so lovely.

[@kierralovestv]

Yes of course. I think that the phrase lacks context and that it creates a much bigger and deeper conversation about what money means to people

[@clairelist1060]

... alright, you've convinced me to get into this show!

[@oliviasparklez3652]

I forget if you said this in the vid but Gilmore girls was actually referenced in ginny and georgia in the first episode

[@kierralovestv]

I didn’t but I saw that. Georgia said “gilmore girls but with bigger b**bs”

[@Sophie-qg9gw]

I love how she spent a full minute talking about kibble.

[@tulaysidani]

I love Gilmore girls, but have never watch Ginny and Georgia but I loved how you went over Lorelai and Georgia’s past individually, and talked about the fights that occurred in both shows! Great video! ❤❤

[@kierralovestv]

Tyy

[@Elled.lifestyle]

Keep up the content 👏

[@lyricallyfaight]

So I love Gilmore girls and I love how you've linked it to this new show I liked a little but definitely like a lot more now that I see the parallels. I do have to say tho that the reason I empathize with Georgia more than lorelai is because lorelai had not only her parents to fall back on but seemingly her whole town for the entirety of Rory's life. Georgia had Zanes parents in theory but they wanted to take custody and other than those two she was really on her own. So when she makes these crazy rash decisions it's because she has always been backed into a corner and had to do whatever to get out. Lorelai on the other hand just has communication and maturity issues when dealing with her problems and it's harder to root for her.

[@evie-fn1sp]

I just wanted to mention this because you brought up Robin Williams at the end, his wife made a documentary about Lewy Body Dementia because they found after his death he was suffering from Lewy Body Dementia. It's something not a lot of people know and it's a very emotional watch.

[@kierralovestv]

Oh god. I loved watching Robin Williams on screen growing up

[@AromaticSympathy]

I want to love Ginny and Georgia but there is something about this show that feels empty, especially when comparing it to Gilmore Girls. I see the similarities though but it just feels forced. I am only in season 1 so maybe it gets better… here’s hoping my opinion will change.

[@kierralovestv]

I definetly felt the show mature in season two

[@daniellee.e_x]

Have you watched to season 2? Did your opinion change or not necessarily? Very curious ❣️

[@AromaticSympathy]

@@daniellee.e_x yes, I did watch season 2 and felt it was better but there were some things I didn’t like as well. Georgia’s character was more developed in this season and I liked that. I actually empathized with her a few times. There was a heavy topic with Ginny that I felt was forced a bit. Overall, it’s an ok show as it stands. I believe tv shows get a lot better around season 3 so I hope that will happen. I think from a superficial aspect I see the Gilmore Girls comparison. But Gilmore Girls has a lot more depth and goes deeper into the generational dynamics of mother/daughter relationships.

[@AromaticSympathy]

@@daniellee.e_x also I liked Ginny and love how Kierra breaks her character down. I know she gets a lot of hate but I understand her and felt like her in high school. She’s crafted as a flawed character earlier on. In contrast to Rory who was seen as the stars hollow prodigy, and was humanized much further into the series.

[@daniellee.e_x]

@@AromaticSympathy couldn't agree more on everything you said I do like that you gave season 2 a chance tho for sure, regardless if one would think it's good or bad. But yea no I fully agree w you, I also didn't like the way they handled the sh storyline of Ginny but that's a whole different and complicated topic

[@staricats]

I honestly don't hate Ginny. The only character I dislike is Max. I still love GG more but G&G is a great show.

[@jenny-jx5ut]

wait I never noticed how similar the shows r whattttt

[@tabithalayton2001]

I love Lorelei but I think the reason some people don’t is because she is put on a pedestal by people around her whereas Georgia is ostracized so we see her as more of the underdog

[@wordswrittenbyme2109]

I love Ginny and Georgia. And GG. Georgia and Lorelai had very different lives. Both suffered and went through alot. Lorelai sheltered Rory alot longer than Georgia sheltered Ginny. Georgia had herself to rely on. Lorelai had the town and Luke for support. I could see these characters being friends sharing stories.

[@filmandsuchh]

i loved this. i made a video abt the similarities and differences also and i would love to hear ur opinion!

[@kierralovestv]

I watched it, I liked it and left a comment 🤍

[@janiceandthomas]

Where have I been? How am I just seeing this? Oh, I know why, I've been too caught up with the mess that is Love is Blind 😂. Would you likely do any trashy reality show reviews? I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of them.

[@kierralovestv]

I’ve been watching a ton of Baddies West and BGC I’m more on that side of reality tv lmao I thought about it but it kinda goes against my whole “don’t say negative things online about real people” rule so I don’t think I will but I’ve been binging those lately

[@janiceandthomas]

​@@kierralovestv Oh cool, I haven't watched Bad Girls Club in a while...not since the good old days of 🎵" I didn't get no sleep cause of y'all!"🎵 😂 I understand re the "not commenting on real people rule", it's a reasonable line to draw. Sometimes I listen to come commentary and cringe because of how harsh it is and I wonder how it'll affect the cast members hearing it all

[@kierralovestv]

I agree. I don’t want to use this space to hurt real people but I’ll trash a character in a heartbeat 😂

[@heyheyhey7988]

I love Lorelai and Georgia. I think georgia is a more realistic persona. Like she is more complicated. The show makes it clear she is often not right although her motives are often from fear and love which are very real feelings and motives.

[@kierralovestv]

Yes!

[@heywheresjade]

I'm specifically mad at Ginny and Georgia S2 E9. Had so much potential for suspense, emotion and real heart and it just sucked! Some of the worst writing on Netflix all in one episode.