Girl Scout Murders at Camp Scott | Was Gene Hart Guilty?

[@rociomiranda5684]

This is one of the most heartbreaking cases ever. Those little girls crying for help, calling for their mothers, and no responsible adult heard them. They were too small to be so far away from the counselors' tent. And the counselors were mere kids themselves.

[@michaeljordan317]

@Dr Todd Grande• ?

[@carolinarios2994]

@Dr Todd Grande• 👆

[@missylee1539]

@@michaeljordan317 that’s not Dr Grande. Another predator I’m sure. They are all over the internet. I reported him.

[@moonstruck562]

@@missylee1539 that’s what I thought too. Dr. Grande is too classy for this.

[@bthomson]

Missy - I left him a message on Patreon about this?🤔

[@lorihoffman4281]

Oh, those poor little girls! It just breaks my heart knowing one of them was crying for her mother.

[@OGitGirlJess]

That part has always bothered me the most. 😞😞😞

[@josefina5421]

Trigger: I read and watched some stuff on this case. I think Doris cried for her mom; she was raped when she was alive. She saw her two mates die and then raped before her eyes.

[@kennahowe7582]

I broke down when I heard that. The fact that one of the victims was the same age as my daughter didn't help ☹️

[@RYMAN1321]

I don’t understand how the counselors brushed off the threatening note. And didn’t check on them when they heard the noises.

[@beeimaginative]

Everything about this case was ultra creepy. The grunting, muffled screams, the drunk searchers, the stuff in the cave and a very sketchy murderer who dropped dead of a heart attack in prison at 35. Doesn’t feel like a lot of justice for those Girl Scouts and their parents.

[@nealkelly9757]

The murderer died young at least. Should have been tortured first

[@DottieMinerva]

Prisoners passing around wedding photos

[@beeimaginative]

@@DottieMinerva Very creepy

[@chad3232132]

Seems like everyone let these girls down - the prison officials, who let this guy escape not once but twice. The authorities who didn't take obvious written threats seriously. The other counselors at the camp who heard something unusual but didn't check. Literally everything about this case comes off like a stereotypical 80's camp massacre film - including the stereotypical, cartoonishly evil rapist/murderer.

[@beeimaginative]

@@chad3232132 All that was missing was the scene where the girls tell scary murderer stories around that campfire. Those poor girls! Feel so bad for them.

[@alexjames879]

My family lives in Oklahoma, my mom and aunt were about the age of the victims when they went on a camping trip with my grandparents and a family of close friends to a public campground just a mile or two from Camp Scott, about a week before the murders. My grandpa and the other dad stayed up all night on guard because someone was watching the campground from the edge of the woods, kind of skulking around and waiting but frequently visible from the pin prick of his cigarette in the dark. They don’t know if that was Hart or not, but I get chills whenever I hear that story. I went to Boy Scout camp in that same area as a kid (in the early 2000s) , and have wonderful memories, but the steep ridges and dense forests around there do have a heavy feeling to them…

[@ter131]

This was so sad and scary. I was a little girl in Oklahoma when this happened. I was allowed to go to OU Cheerleading camp at the University of Oklahoma age 15. I was NEVER allowed to go to any camping type camp. Because of the Girl Scout Murders. RIP Little Girls.

[@OGitGirlJess]

🙏🙏💔

[@chad3232132]

The whole thing sounded like such a stereotypical 1980's slasher film I had to look it up myself to be sure Dr. Grande wasn't pulling an early April Fool's Day joke on this case. Incompetent prison officials letting a psychopath easily escape... multiple times - CHECK Incompetent authorities who see seriously violent threats and ignore them - CHECK Camp counselors who hear unusual noises in the middle the the night, but disregard them - CHECK Extremely creepy/evil killer with a lengthy rap sheet commits multiple murders in a summer camp setting - CHECK

[@chad3232132]

Even his escape was stereotypical - a Native-American using smoke as a distraction to escape from prison. Crazy.

[@ChristinePerez903]

Those poor girls, very heart breaking. The prison and the camp failed them. Great analysis Dr Grande!!

[@pennyfruth9238]

Thank you for bringing this forward again. I lived in Tulsa at the time and the newspapers commented on the clanishness of the people who lived in the area and how loyal they were to Hart. Mrs. Farmer commented a few years ago that she attended the trial every day and was treated as if she was the perpetrator, rather than the victim. I read in the book SOMEONE CRY FOR THE CHILDREN, that one of the campers reported that someone grabbed her ankle when she was on the way to the bathroom. It seems hard to take in how many warnings there were without preventative action being taken. I am so grateful that you talked about this. The respect you showed in your video feels like you're honoring the girls who were killed. I appreciate you doing this so much. It seems like there is a wall of secrecy around this event, even though so much time has passed.

[@VolcanoGroupie]

This was one of the most horrible events which has ever occurred in Oklahoma. Thank you, Dr. Grande, for shedding light on this tragedy.

[@BenState]

im sure this is not true.

[@madeliner1682]

Uhh, you know they've had the Oklahoma City bombing, right?

[@VolcanoGroupie]

@@madeliner1682 I wrote “ONE of the most horrible events”. I would never discount any other tragedy, especially not the Murrah Building bombing.

[@treefiddy5424]

I think the massacre of the blacks in Tulsa back in 1921 was worse.

[@BenState]

@@VolcanoGroupie its not even close Kelly. How many massacres over the last 100 years have happened to people of colour? That's the point I think.

[@fourfurrypotatoes]

This case is heartbreaking. I can't imagine what those poor children went through. There is true evil in this world.

[@merrittascott3323]

The spirit realm of demons is nothing to take lightly. Demons seduce the minds of ppl. The seduction is by showing ppl, in their imagination, these bazaar acts to excite them to actually do the deeds demons entice them to do and provide the boldness. God is alive ,but ppl love the world's freedom not knowing that demons are not about freedom but enslavement to sins power. These are the Last Days written in scripture. Even the church has fallen away from God. God moves His arm of protection away and lets the ppl have their way. When God is not wanted, the door has been opened for demonic invasion. Romans 1&2 tells us that we have no excuse to not believe in God because of what He has created . God sent Jesus to make a New Covenant made in the blood of His sacrifice as Jesus paid the debt for sin.God wrote the covenant and by repenting of our sin we can come into agreement with God and know that obedience to Him is freedom to do so. God wants us to know Him. His ways and thoughts. Imagine, a God so merciful that He Himself provided for us ,not to have judgment, but rather, Eternal Life. This is between you and God and can happen wherever you are, day or night. Don't need a minister to pray for you to receive salvation. God is all you need as you pray in the Name of Jesus Christ. It is God Who forgives our sins when we come in Jesus's Name.

[@calendarpage]

I went to a Girl Scout camp every summer for maybe 7 years in the 1960s. When I got too old to be a camper, I worked for the camp. I don't think you can discount how different things were then, even down to the amount of news available. You didn't have every crime around the country pushed at you 24/7. 'Young ladies' were often told that certain news was not appropriate for them to know. While you may have been taught not to speak to 'strangers,' no one would think that a crime would occur at an official GS camp. By the time of this event, I was a young mother and still would would have been shocked that anything untoward happened at a GS camp. I would say it is unfortunate that the staff didn't take the note seriously, but it isn't unexpected, given the time and the location.

[@harrydemkee912]

Agreed, I wrote a similar comment, younger people usually don’t understand how different things were on most levels back then

[@LiLo-ob3iu]

Thank you for this insight!

[@andrewmaderer1989]

@@harrydemkee912 I mean I think we get it, we’re just going to laugh at how naive people were at that point.

[@jamesharen8607]

I can't get over the feeling these teenage girls running this place wernt involved in something they shouldn't be and/or having guys come to the camp..not their copeable nrccarily it just seems like they are holding something back..I'd be interested to know if any of these councilors lived close to the area or could have been going to it in the off-season to get high or fool around with guys or something....this thing was planned and they had intimate knowledge of the grounds and I think the actual operation..i'd be interested in hearing what you might have to say about this since you have a unique perspective..certainly not that you would of been involved in anything like this just having been in this position at this time if you could see something like this going on then or not..what was the culture like with 18 year old girl scout camp councilors in the mid 70's?

[@Jen39x]

Definitely agree - I was school age during the 70’s and a note like that would not have been taken seriously. And the camp counselors weren’t considered young by the standards either. And at the age those girls were they probably didn’t know what a sexual assault was until it happened. Amazing and not in a good way how things have changed.

[@kateogden6907]

I was a young girl living in Tulsa when this happened. It was huge news and an early memory for me. I was terrified of being a Girl Scout and chose Camp Fire instead. It is such a heartbreaking story.

[@lisabradford8180]

yes it is heartbreaking😢 when i learned that one of the girls really didn't want to go to the camp from the get go, that made it even more💔. imagine not wanting to be there in the first place and look what happened to her. my god!😢💔

[@carolnahigian9518]

Camp fire, girl,.. good Choice.

[@paultheaudaciousbradford6772]

@@lisabradford8180 Have you seen other vids about this case?

[@lisabradford8180]

@@paultheaudaciousbradford6772 yes i remember watching a vid on here about this case, can't remember the channel tho. this case still gives me the chills and it's so sad. it's also one reason why i'm not a fan of the great outdoors and remote locations.

[@jeffhoward1222]

Some of my classmates (Cooper elementary in Tulsa) were at that camp. As a kid two names stick with me. One was Uncle Zeb. Wanted so badly to be on his show and say hi to my mom and pop. The other was Gene Hart...the ultimate boogy man. Anytime my parents wanted to have me tow the line and wrangled in my orneriness they would remind me of Gene Hart.

[@beckycarter9211]

Even in '77, allowing 3 young children to sleep in a tent/cabin alone is absurd!! I went to campfire girl camp in '75, and our leader slept in the same cabin as us!

[@nancycoomer4301]

i was a girl scout back in 1960s. we slept in a lodge all together. having children alone in the woods was just a an invitation for all deviants. i don't care what year it was.

[@Ratquel]

I went in 77 and no counselor in the tent. I live in California and we were in cabins with 4 girls, but the counselors all slept in one cabin nearby

[@clarecollins3726]

@@Ratquel Exactly the same in Michigan.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Same here but I went to camp in 1963.

[@matthewneufer1758]

Hine sight is 20/20 I believe it looks like an invitation for an animal attack Maybe black bear or wolf's I would never let my daughters sleep out doors . But this case it was an attack of a wild animal of a different type.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a horrific crime, those poor girls. In many homicides, we can understand how the crime was non-preventable and there was nothing that could be done. However, this case is different. I think there are some items that could potentially have prevented this outcome. To name a few - the note signed by the “killer” was overlooked, the thefts, the fact that the girls (ages 8,9,10) were in a farther tent alone and Gene’s escape from prison. I have camped for years and even after knowing the group of people around, that does not stop me from being super vigilant. From animals to unwanted visitors, really anything can happen. Maybe that’s just me, a true crime fan, but still I can never be totally relaxed in environments as such, especially when there are children under my care. Fantastic analysis, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️

[@lisabradford8180]

this case is one reason why i never cared for camping out and other outside activities, especially those in a remote location. i was a child myself when this happened and i remember being very scared indeed. those poor girls, god bless them and their families🙏💔

[@rhys5567]

This just shows how irrational fear can be. Do you also avoid cars because you see crashes on the news?

[@bthomson]

Rhys - Maybe it's a matter of weighing the danger vs. the need? We HAVE to ride in cars often to live in the modern world but outdoor camping especially in remote areas is a forsakable entertainment!

[@bthomson]

Rejane - Happy New Year!🎉🎊

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@bthomson Thank you so much!😊 I wish you and your family health and happiness throughout the coming year!✨

[@D_Parks]

The fourth girl who was to be in that tent was a good friend of mine. She didn’t go the day before because she was scared to go away to overnight camp for the first time. I grew up in the area and went to that camp two times. I remember that tent because it was so far away from everything. These weren’t exactly tents. They were more like a cabin with canvas walls that could be rolled up or down. There was a permanent wood floor. Not at all like a staked down tent used when camping. The Camp Scott Girl Scout camp closed down permanently after the murders. Excellent video but one thing not spoken about was the large cult following that developed for Gene LeRoy Hart while he was on the run as a suspect and even thru the trial. This large group of very vocal people thought he was innocent and was being framed because he was Native American. He was definitely guilty.

[@nancycoomer4301]

they have no evidence that he was guilty.

[@D_Parks]

@@nancycoomer4301 You are a liar. There was A LOT of circumstantial evidence and DNA testing in 2022 strongly suggested Hart.

[@Ratquel]

They do now. Just did dna and it’s Hart. Look it up

[@Vydio]

@@nancycoomer4301 I can understand the acquittal at the time of the trial. I also believe that the jury was influenced by the knowledge that this guy was a fugitive and would be back in prison no matter what.

[@kimpossible1413]

@@nancycoomer4301 they do now 4weeks ago they said it was his DNA they only found the girls and his DNA on items in the tent

[@AnimalsMatterMorally]

What a horrifying case! 😭😭😭 Those poor little girls truly suffered! I cannot even fathom the trauma the girls' parents suffered as well. 😭😭😭

[@josefina5421]

I read that after Lori died, her sister concluded a school paper with this: With liberty and justice for all, but none for us. 😥

[@maxalberts2003]

Horrifying. I'd heard about this atrocity but you've presented it with calmness and authority. Great job, Dr. Grande. This story made me weep and rage.

[@kitchendogstudioamysears4338]

I was sent to camp near Stillwater just a few weeks after this happened. Fathers of the girls (including mine) volunteered to stay on-site each night we were there. They didn't tell us much, just that something happened to some girl scouts at a different camp and the Dads were there to keep us safe. I can't believe my parents let me go.

[@roscluaran]

What a tragic, horrific, and senseless crime! Those poor, innocent girls.💔

[@theresacarter2093]

Thanks for all of your awesome content! Such a sad case when the girls went to have a good time! Always enjoy your witty commentary Dr Grande!

[@wendysmith8365]

Thanks for the opinion on these murders. At the time, I was a Girl Scout leader in Virginia, with my daughter a junior scout. We didn't inform our girls until the father of one of the girls wrote a very heartwarming letter included in the Girl Scout newsletter. In it, he explained why he and his family did NOT sue the Scouts as the other two families did. He told how much being a Scout had meant to her and how they didn't wish to denigrate the organization. I'm happy to have a realistic opinion of the event.

[@LDiamondz]

The father of one of the murdered girls? How gracious of him. He must have been an amazing dad. So sad. ❤

[@willow9145]

Poor baby girls.. im so disgusted at how mant parties failed them. The camp, the counselors, people in the area, the jail, i get that it was a different time but these crimes should have never happened. Especially with such a specific threat/warning..its just...ugh...i hope those girls find peace

[@nicklager1666]

Despite the grim subject of kids being murdered i can always trust that Grande will analyse in a calm and methodical manner.

[@eddiebingbong7977]

Thanks for this deep insightful comment it has given my life purpose you are the most philosophical person I’ve ever encountered.

[@murder.junkie4l974]

Never diagnosing. Just analyzing. Thanks for pointing that out. Haha

[@doggyfrienddoggyfriend9095]

My God, if the chime on my dryer is too loud my crazy neighbors call the cops! It sounds like at least 5 people heard strange noises, crying, and traffic at 3 am and they were all just cool with it?

[@marthabarrett2479]

What chills me is the counselor who said she saw a faint light moving about in the woods just beyond the camp that night. He most likely had been stealthily watching them all day from the protection of the brush. I suspect he had been planning this attack for quite some time. He knew exactly which tent to target that was the most remote and furthest from the counselors tent.

[@dustyrose5994]

I grew up in Oklahoma and I remember my mother telling me that I could not go to an overnight camp with my Girl Scout group because a decade earlier, 3 little girls were murdered. I had no idea what she was talking about until much later. So many things in the could’ve, should’ve, would’ve vein with this. But hindsight’s 20/20 and it is so easy to blame the victims or the counselors or the camp administrators or the parents, etc, etc. There is no one to blame except the absolute horrific example of humanity that carried out this horrific attack.

[@TheWorstThingEver]

I'd say a note threatening murder is something that should probably be taken at least a little seriously.

[@Guinevere.625]

Unreal! They thought it was a JOKE??

[@georgezee5173]

@@Guinevere.625 In fairness, the note itself, announcing the crime and being signed by "the killer" sounds more like a prank than anything else. In hindsight it's easy to say it should've been taken seriously, but in that moment I can totally see that note looking like a corny prank (who would've thought an actual killer would announce a future killing like that?).

[@jenniferlane9000]

You would think, especially with children involved.

[@RYMAN1321]

@@georgezee5173Was stuff like that not taken seriously back then or something?

[@paul9156c]

"Nothing says safety like hundreds of drunk volunteers." 👍

[@DirtySanchez943]

They beaten the living daylight out of scalp collector...

[@aaronflagg3573]

Likely armed as well.

[@shrapnel77]

264 feet is almost 90 yards from the head counselor tent. A football field away - 8,9 and 10 years old kids from the head counselors. Really? That's seems safe?

[@marthacarson7561]

My thought exactly.

[@1Brokemillenial]

I listen to each of your videos multiple times. Don't take this the wrong way -- your voice is wonderful to fall asleep to because the volume and speed at which you talk is consistent! Thank you Dr. Grande!

[@michaeldelarge9582]

Watching this today after seeing police confirm Hart as the murderer. Glad this case finally has closure, although it's too bad justice wasn't served while he was alive.

[@RYMAN1321]

They didn’t have the technology when the crime was committed though.

[@toniemorrison4263]

He was soooo guilty, Dr. Grande. Like the volunteers, I could use a drink after this story. Our flawed justice system fails us again, and just maybe a note threatening murder and signed, "The Killer," isn't as funny as a regular joke. When you said one was heard calling for her mother, my heart broke. Those poor girls...

[@vandeolkon]

Yikes! I went to Girl Scout camp in Florida in ‘79. I don’t remember hearing about this case. So scary.

[@mariaotto6732]

This story scared me to death. My 10 yr old daughter went camping with the Girl Scouts troop last summer and to be honest, I was very confident chaperones are watching for the girls the whole time. Nonetheless, they were away and in the woods. Nothing bad happened. There were so many previous signs on this case, I would have said no way my daughter is going. I feel terrible for those little girls. Thanks for the video Dr. Grande.

[@d.giordano2190]

I sent my Daughter to Girl Scout camp around 1990. They had the girls in open platform tents scattered all over. I was surprised how far away the leaders were. They had the girls swim, then they had to sit with wet hair at a campfire on a cool night. My daughter got sick and we drove 1 1/2 hours to get her. In retrospect I now would not trust anyone to watch my daughter like myself, family, or very close friend would. I spent a lot of time with volunteering with her troop. The leaders were much more interested in watching their own daughters than any of the others. But I'm sure most leaders are capable.

[@OGitGirlJess]

@@d.giordano2190 I agree with you. My one experience at summer camp was terrible. Nothing like this happened of course but I was bullied terribly, the counselors were all high school students who were way more interested in the boy counselors than us, food was not given at the normal meal times, and a lot of the activities were way too strenuous and/or difficult for 8 year olds. Needless to say I never went back.

[@gregorylubbers8533]

Thanks for this video, Dr. Grande. I was a 14 year old boy living in Oklahoma when this happened and I've always wondered if he really did it.

[@sandyburkett2732]

I went to a Girl Scout camp at a place called AlandraPark in South Cali in the early 60s. We were all in our sleeping bags out side and I opened my eyes and there was a man setting there on the bench smoking a cigarette. Apparently, he had gone though our camp and took all kinds of things. It was creepy because he looked dirty. I didn’t let him know I saw him and our leaders didn’t do anything about it. There was probably 14 girls with 2 leaders.. Weird things happen at those camps…FYI

[@leostitcher]

I lived in Tulsa when this happened. A coworker had 2 daughters at the camp and I remember the shock and fright we all felt as the coworker learned of the murders and rushed to the camp. We were so relieved to learn that our coworker's daughters were safe but so sad and heartbroken for those who received the worse news any parent can ever receive.

[@nightwood4379]

Morning Dr. G. Good day Tuesday…thank you for a rational approach to such a horrific camp story.

[@JaneMiller0101]

Received your book today. Harm Reduction. Can’t wait to read!

[@nessuno9945]

Perhaps there were 2 murderers? That would account for the smaller shoe print and different thumbprint from Hart's. Also, I think it would be difficult for one man to beat and sexually assault 3 girls without at least one of them escaping, despite their youth. It was mentioned earlier in the podcast that people saw 2 men skulking around the camp...and didn't the note say "we" are looking to kill etc...? So, perhaps Hart had an accomplice.

[@anne-marieh6128]

That’s why we don’t Torture anyone. I or at least legally we are not supposed to. Who’s to say what actually did occur. Though it was likely the guy that dropped dead in jail at age 35 from a heart attack- evidence appears to suggest there was a second person if not an entirely different person. How often has it been found post execution that a person who had sat on death row for 20 some years was in fact innocent. We get so bloodthirsty for revenge and we need to be careful when we propose someone should’ve been tortured before they died

[@nessuno9945]

@@anne-marieh6128 Whose comment are you replying to? My post says nothing about torture or capital punishment. It only speculates that there might have been two culprits. That was the only topic of my post.

[@anne-marieh6128]

@@nessuno9945 a former comment. Not yours. Sorry for mistaken placement

[@mathewgrelr7084]

I was thinking the same things

[@truecrimeblackcoffee9133]

I agree, I think it was Gene and an accomplice, perhaps a local. I think they should consider this and follow-up, so that his accomplice is revealed, deservingly so. Even if dead, like Gene ... I hope they suffer even more than the suffering they caused, absolutely evil.

[@clestemanning6357]

GREAT VIDEO , AND SUPER INFORMATIVE. I LOVE HOW YOU GET SO MUCH INFORMATION IN SUCH A MINIMAL VIDEO. I'VE WATCHED SEVERAL VIDEOS ABOUT THESE MURDERS LATELY , AND THEY ARE DIVIDED INTO 3 OR 4 SEPARATE VIDEOS THAT ARE APPROX. 1 TO 11/2 HRS. LONG. I GOT MORE OUTTA THIS VIDEO , THAN ALL OF THE OTHERS I'VE WATCHED. THANK YOU

[@davidbrett1958]

Breaks my heart that sweet and innocent girls or any children for that matter have there lives cut short and so horrifically and makes me extremely angry that things like that (doesn't deserve to be labeled as human monster would be much more accurate) walk this earth!

[@amyg.333]

Seriously, I thought the mice infestation at my Girl Scout camp back in the early ‘80’s sucked. This is awful 😢

[@reneejones7807]

Sounds like the note threatening the girls was not made public, denying the parents the information. As a parent, this would have added to the bitterness of the loss. The parents should have had that information.

[@bthomson]

This is true in so many instances! Cover ups are so dangerous! All the information, however uncomfortable or ruinous needs to be imparted to those effected so that they can gage the danger, etc!

[@DMalltheway]

And is sad that the parents lost a wrongful death lawsuit

[@RYMAN1321]

@@DMallthewayWhy?

[@DMalltheway]

@@RYMAN1321 Ask the judge and jury.

[@DoubleAplusJ]

This story is one of the most heartbreaking and gruesome ones I have ever heard. So many people heard things but didn't investigate enough to make sure the girls were safe. I understand the children in a way, because of their youth. However, the counselor hearing gutteral noises should have investigated each tent to make sure none of the girls were choking. I personally feel like there couldn't have been just one person because the girls were subdued too easily. They would have become panicked as the assault began and the beatings/killings commenced. I can't imagine they would just patiently wait their turn.

[@bthomson]

And that size nine shoe print!

[@jpc3603]

Wow...multiple people/systems failed these girls: from the prison which allowed him to escape multiple times to the camp ignoring a note threatening murder, stolen items and men seen "hanging around" a girls camp. Thank you for your analysis, I really appreciate how you manage to present/examine exculpatory evidence when sooo much points to a guilty verdict; it helps us understand incomprehensible court verdicts today!💜🌟

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Men hanging around the camp, what do you do?

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Threatening notes would likely be fakes, who is stupid enough to broadcast their intentions like that? Stolen items is a common occurance. If you don't know who stole them, you don't know how to act. And when it comes to men hanging around, it's not illegal and if their faces are seen, they can easily be caught on any criminal activity. Trying to battle the _hindsight bias,_ I'd probably pretty much ignore the warning signs.

[@OGitGirlJess]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe Except the note wasn’t fake & someone was stupid enough to broadcast it, and still got away with it! Every parent should have been notified about this before they sent their child. They should have tripled Securiry at least, if not added even more than that. As usual it was about saving $$$ SMDH

[@jpc3603]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe There have been many cases such as the ‘Zodiac killer’ for example where letters have been written by the perpetrator. Plus all the things you list happening in combination with one another are likely not happy coincidences... seriously. The parents should have been notified so they could make a choice whether to still send their children. Hoping folks unable to put two and two together do not take employment with children, vulnerable people or law enforcement...

[@Cordoba82]

While there's no doubt about this man's guilt, I just have to wonder, what about accomplices? Just one man was able to do that much damage with no help? Just wondering...

[@jann3204]

Hart abducted two pregnant women by himself and brutally assaulted them just a few years prior.

[@lisabradford8180]

@@jann3204 my god, what a monster he was🤬🤢

[@Preservestlandry]

A man can kill a female easily. or more than one. And these were just girls.

[@GoodnightJLH]

There was a nonmatching fingerprint and a footprint 1-1/2 sizes too small at the scene. An accomplice is therefore a strong possibility.

[@lesliejacobs3605]

@@GoodnightJLH Lori Farmer’s mother has always felt Gene Hart did not commit these crimes alone and she thinks he had a female accomplice

[@renee1961]

Those Poor Little Girls! 💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏 My heart breaks for them! I can't believe the Staff blew everything off! Prayers for the Families.🙏🙏🙏

[@morriganwitch]

Between you And Ken Mains you’re solving the world xxx

[@judowrestlerka]

Your dry but sharp sense of humor is HILARIOUS. I appreciate your observations on all of these cases.

[@judowrestlerka]

@Dr Todd Grande• 100% Thanks doc.

[@nameunknown007]

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[@cynthiatolman326]

How can any responsible adult, particularly one with young vulnerable girls in their care, not call authorities when finding a note with such a threat? Everyone would be on alert regardless of the veracity of the note. This was preventable, as so many violent crimes are. Camp counselors should never be out of hearing distance of their charges. Then and now, in an open environment such as a camp, being near the children is the first line of defense for their safety.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

You're correct about his alternative method to be released from prison, Dr. Grande. You might say that he was dying to get out of prison!

[@LiddlestLady]

Idk why i’m surprised but i got a sample of Harm Reduction and then blew thru it and immediately bought the book - It’s fantastic dr. grande!!! Srsly!! i thought i’d be reading it in your voice but it’s not that way at all. is her last name Ocean bc of the acronym?? ha ha

[@theowlshowofficial9563]

This case is very tragic. But the fact that the fingerprints didn't match and neither did the shoe prints makes one think there's more to this. Perhaps he had an accomplice.

[@jann3204]

My older sister was supposed to be the fourth girl in the Kiowa tent. She told my mom she did not want to go because she wanted to stay home. My mom listened to her and let her stay home. The girls used to meet at my mom’s house in Broken Arrow prior to this incident. My sister was devastated at the loss of her friends. She still cannot believe how she escaped Hart’s attack. I’ve been to Hart’s grave. He is worshipped in his town. His tombstone is the largest in the cemetery.

[@eveapple4928]

That’s horrendous. Why is he worshipped?!

[@jann3204]

@@eveapple4928 Everyone thought he was innocent and being framed by the police. My husband fished with Hart. He remembers him well.

[@jann3204]

@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 My husband said Hart was a pleasant person to talk to and fish with. He was very thin. He never saw any violence. They talked about the type of fish they caught and type of lure they used. They fished at Lake Hudson dam. It was my husband, his brother, their father, and other guys all hanging out when they would see Hart. When the murders happened, they did not believe Hart did it at all. Hart was (to them) a decent guy. He was Cherokee and the cops were white and racist against all the Indians there, so the rumor was the cops set Hart up.

[@jann3204]

@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 I think it was all about perspective back then. My husband is 60 years old now and totally sees how Hart could have been the killer. He was only a teenager back in the 70s. But on the other hand, my husband suspects a camp counselor. He said one of them ran off just as the investigation was underway.

[@tiffanyyoung9671]

There was another fourth girl that was at camp and they did put her in the tent with the three girls! due to het tent being overcrowded but Right before lights out they made room for her in the tent with her original girl scout camp and she left their tent to go back to sleep in the tent with her girl scout troop

[@John_Notmylastname]

You’ve been a roll lately. Keep it up!

[@BrisLS1]

This is a great study! There was another vlogger here who did a walking tour of that camp some years ago, in case you want to see what it might have looked like. I agree with this conclusion that the camp authorities and law enforcement seemed to be asleep at the wheel. Death threats ignored, property thefts ignored, multiple jail breaks, reminds me of that Geico commercial where the kids hide in the chainsaw shack instead of getting into the running car and drive away.

[@georgezee5173]

It was one single death threat, and the note was found inside a doughnut box that the killer had emptied (either by eating them or just stealing). That added to the signing as "the killer" made the whole thing look like a very poor taste prank. Can't blame them for not taking it seriously.

[@BrisLS1]

@@georgezee5173 Right about this time in history, I was in Middle school ( 6-8 grade); if the phone rang and a bomb was mentioned, the school would empty us out to the street for an hour. In comparison, these people did nothing to tighten up security? Could they give each girl a whistle to blow, or put an adult in each cabin? Create some locked doors? Just looked bad. Thanks

[@georgezee5173]

@@BrisLS1 I know what's to be evacuated in school after a bomb phone call was made. In my country there was this terrorist group that killed and kidnapped hundres of people all around the country, including detonating bombs in all kind of places (the biggest one in a supermarket that killed 21 people). Again, to compare that kind of staff to this, in appearance, silly note (signed by "the killer", nonetheless) that was found inside a emptied doughnut box, well, I'm sorry, but the latter looks like a poor made prank, even though it ended up being legit. And we're talking about a camp, the kind of place kids keep telling spooky stories and prank each other. I can guess it wasn't that weird to find that note. Actually, if it wasn't for the fact that the note was as specific as to say they would kill 3 girls, which ended up happening, I would still have my doubts about it being actually related to the killings.

[@robertdye1788]

Again Dr.Grande you have lifted your science to an art...everyone wanted to share the precious momemts...awesome...

[@MotJ949]

This case was top of mind when I showed up to a Girl Scout property to an unknown vehicle that was not supposed to be there. Called the county sheriffs and they failed to respond for 45+ minutes. I locked myself in a building and called the adults that were transporting the girls and told them to stay away until they heard back from me. Eventually people turned up, got in their car and drove away, sheriffs never did respond. I was definitely freaked out and missing my EDC in that very long hour!

[@NonaSmith_mysocalledlife1977]

It's pronounced kai ·uh·wuh. I live on the Kiowa/Comanche/Apache Reservation in Kiowa County in SW Oklahoma. The Granite Reformatory where Gene Hart took those pictures is only 15 miles away from the town I live in. This really hits home for me. I appreciate your analysis of this case.

[@marthacarson7561]

I noticed the mispronounced name too.

[@kimbali77]

The devil works hard, but Dr. Grande works harder… I was like “This doesn’t sound familiar…” Oh! New content!

[@badmomsonly]

This is a case that haunts me, and I was hoping you would do this one some day!

[@memomorph5375]

9:50 For the shoe size discrepancy, I wear a size 10 and once fit into my friends’ size 7 shoe for PE class. It’s possible, especially if he was on the run and using what gear he encountered (like trying in the glasses)

[@notsure4878]

The issue is that there were two different sets of shoe prints found in the tent. Neither shoe was Hart's size. There are 3 new suspects being investigated by the Cherokee Marshal Services who now have jurisdiction on this case.

[@michellevickersdixon1141]

Thanks for covering this story. I have been reading about it. You made the answer clear to me. If I had been on his jury there is no way I could have acquitted him.

[@douglasducoteclown228]

I was a little kid when this happened. Going to Tulsa we had to go through Locust Grove. An eerie place.

[@ATXviIIIe]

Thank you Dr. Grande for shedding light on this case. Police and jailers and most everyone can learn from these videos

[@marilynmcmahon5932]

I feel so bad for the poor girls and their families.

[@gram5963]

I was doing my eye makeup during the “no hard feelings; here’s a saw” part and I nearly blinded myself laughing. Note to self: no eyeliner during Dr. Grande.

[@gram5963]

@@mikedeleon5617 I can only hope my next comment will be up to your standards.

[@Throatzillaaa]

@@gram5963 right? mike sucks.

[@paultheaudaciousbradford6772]

I liked your funny comment. Better see an eye doctor, though. 😉

[@gram5963]

@@Throatzillaaa YEAH. 😂

[@gram5963]

@@paultheaudaciousbradford6772 I appreciate your support. And concern. 😂

[@stephaniekanoun4409]

I was super excited to put Dr. Grande's book on my wishlist for Christmas, but all my family avoided it. Guess they're just not that into true crime. 😂

[@828enigma6]

Side note, young girls should be taught not to be screaming or making unusual sounds unless something really is wrong, particularly after dark. My granddaughter is 11, and often I've had trouble telling if something is seriously wrong, or if she's just goofing around. It's one thing to be squealing/screaming at home vs at a camp.

[@geeksworkshop]

Very sad that more effort wasn't made to capture such a dangerous person. Seems as if he was just allowed to hide out near his mothers home and then lay in wait for those young girls. Seems like the owner of the camp should have done something about the petty crimes and secured his propriety.

[@sheilagravely5621]

It seems that the logical thing to have done would have been to cancel camp when the first note was found.

[@bthomson]

Imagine the headline ( if the families read the paper?). Killer/Rapist on loose near Girl Scout Camp! I think this would have prevented this tragedy!

[@rachelv9408]

I was just surprised with your book Harm Reduction as a belated Christmas gift!!! So excited to delve into this one!! Thank you, Doc!!!!!

[@OhtheSuffering]

Continuing the theme of camp murders, can you do an analysis on Pamela Voorhees, the original perpetrator of the Crystal Lake Murders?

[@anne-marieh6128]

Well done- including the dry humor. Thank u Dr.G

[@estelle9414]

There's enough blame to be assigned to various parties in this one. A note which is received at a camp should not be dismissed when it was threatening murder. Law enforcement/jail was incompetent to not be able to keep the prisoner in custody, twice. The drunken volunteers were pretty outrageous. Doesn't sound like an area where anyone would want to visit or live because the mentality is pretty nonchalant when it comes to safety from violent crime. I'm going to add the camp counselors as well. If cars were driving up and down the street enough to be heard by neighbors, crying, grunting and a girl asking for her mother was ignored by counselors who are responsible for children's safety, that is also pretty outrageous. I'm shocked a wrongful death lawsuit was not filed by the girls' families. Very tragic, but avoidable if people had just used common sense and even a modicum of responsibility for the important job of being a camp counselor of young children. Thank, Dr. Grande!

[@monicawylie3985]

I was just going to go into my own rant about this horrible miscarriage of safety and Justice. It’s pure insanity in the first place for them not to close the camp down after the first attack. As a parent I’d be insanely angry. I’d make sure I made the camp pay for the loss of those lives as well as making sure this would never happen again. On another note this is the first time I’m ever hearing about this. I grew up in New York City. In the 70s it had its own rampant crime. So if something like that happened in another state when I was a kid, it went right past me.

[@rhys5567]

What's more common, a sick prank or a spree killing? You're going to shut down people's holiday plans for what is more likely to be 13 year old boys being disgusting than anything else? You might be upset about volunteers conduct. You could change that. When did you last volunteer to search with police.

[@ShawnTheDriver]

@@rhys5567 Yes, because of this exact reason. Just like if a school receives a bomb threat which are usually always pranks, the whole school shuts down. I’d much rather them cancel school for a few days and it turn out to be a prank, than have the kids go to school and a bomb goes off. Just like I’d much rather a whole Girl Scout’s trip cancelled for safety then allow it to continue and have three young girls found dead. Even if they didn’t want to cancel the whole trip, they could’ve at least called the police and had an officer or two stationed there for the duration just to keep an eye on things. I guarantee you this dude wouldn’t have tried anything if he had even seen officers show up to the camp just once. These chaperones had so many opportunities to prevent this from happening and they didn’t take any of them.

[@rhys5567]

@@ShawnTheDriver a bomb can be searched for and proved positive or false. A general threat cannot. Police cant baby sit general threats. You must never drive- that represents a bigger risk.

[@DMalltheway]

There was a wrongful death suit brought and the families lost.

[@cottontails9003]

Good morning Dr Grande. Thank you for the great content and hard work you do. Thank you Dr Grande, you are the best.

[@Seeker0fTruth]

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[@Seeker0fTruth]

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[@mariagabrielle6383]

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[@cottontails9003]

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[@cottontails9003]

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[@carolynpercell52]

I know this is a very sad and tragic case, but you crack me up with your commentary 😃

[@stefanblazevski8864]

I have read a lot about this case. It’s really sad what happened to that girls , in my opinion Hart was responsible. I have read years ago on a forum from a person close to the investigation, that the police actually had eyewitness that identified that Hart near the camp, the person happened to be near the camp hunting and apparently he saw Hart leaving the camp.

[@Wrz2e]

People were so nonchalant in the 1970s it seems incredible today. Sadly we learned many lessons the hard way and now we must take precautions in everything we do.

[@pandaboo8090]

Happy holidays Dr. Grande!

[@williambloodworth5126]

I remember seeing this on the news. It happened the summer before I entered high school. It was horrible

[@natekeyes2297]

Ok, he died of "cardiac arrest"? This means his heart stopped. This is what everyone ultimately dies from. Perhaps one of his fellow inmates took it upon himself to deliver some form of justice, and the authorities were perfectly content to say he died because his heart stopped.

[@shelleychandler4094]

An autopsy showed two major blockages in his heart valves. His brother died of a heart attack at 36. He died of a heart attack.

[@Vydio]

He appeared to have major heart issues. But I'd guess very few tears were shed among the inmates. If someone managed to find a way to speed up his death my guess is no one would spill the beans.

[@carolynsilvers9999]

How could anyone think such a horrid note not threatening? and why would a murderer warn them? This tragic true story feels like a bad scary movie.

[@georgezee5173]

Your second question just answers the first one.

[@trace9657]

This is terrifying, I have never heard of this story. This makes being forced to go to Vespers on the side of a mountain in the middle of thunder and lightning at Camp Mundo Vista in the 1980s seem like a cakewalk. Those poor girls, and their parents who no doubt sacrificed finances believing they were broadening the horizon for their children.

[@shombie2737]

Fundraising also meant knocking on stranger's doors taking orders for Girl Scout cookies

[@stacey4u2luv]

@@shombie2737 every badge, sash and every part of their uniforms cost money as well as membership fees. Plus they do charge parents for all outings that children participate in, cookies are just another way for them to make more money for the club and to pay those that teach the children. But every aspect of having your children in girl scouts costs money.

[@mrs.kravitz]

Dear Dr. Grande, Would you please evaluate the personality of Dr. Maulana Karenga. Thank you, Love your perspectives and humor.

[@slapsone6173]

Awesome video Dr. 💯💯💯

[@tracywilliams6467]

I was hoping you would cover this horrible event. Good job, Dr. Thanks.

[@annal7364]

I don’t think someone like Gene was the type of “girl scout” the founders had in mind. Thanks Dr. G. 💔

[@pabbischannel8812]

It's pretty clear that Gene Hart was guilty but I am curious about the size 9 1/2 footprint in the blood. Was this an accomplice? a councilor who found the scene and panicked? A clumsy cop? Since it was in the blood then it has to be someone who saw the bodies.

[@JT-kl4ux]

Multiple girls reported they saw two men. It was mostly ignored by the sheriff

[@Dahlia22273]

Well, DNA testing on May 5, 2022 was match to Hart. So I suppose we now can't deny he was guilty.

[@m.f.richardson1602]

So sad when children are involved. Always interesting. Thank you Peace. 💕🇺🇲

[@daniel-tg3825]

Been binging your videos so much good content

[@oftenrebellious5266]

Hello Dr Grande, I have a question about the killer. Why do you think he left a note warning of his intentions? I understand that he wrote tent no. 1 and he went to a different tent but even so. Thank you, another informative and interesting video. Regards from🇬🇧

[@willow9145]

He probably had some narc tendencies and thought of himself as a criminal mastermind - He did escape jail. He probably wanted to feel special and get attention.

[@c88485]

It's fun for him. He loves to taunt along with the thrill of the hunt. It makes him feel superior.

[@wrmlm37]

I'm struck by the term, "murders". Wasnt the first one ENOUGH? Whoa... Got it now. How reprehensible. A camp for little girls... Perfect summation. TY Dr. Grande.

[@winkieblink7625]

His mother/family was most likely helping him survive in the cave for four years.

[@georgezee5173]

Definitely, which is disgusting. Actually, I just read an article from those days, when they were looking for him after the killings, and an association of native Americans knew where he was hiding and wouldn't share the info, even though he was a convicted man from previous crimes (two rapes, among those crimes). Disgusting.

[@VSThibodeau]

I was a Girl Scout in Oklahoma when this happened, though older than these girls were. I remember the discussions that happened when we wanted to go camping a few months after this happened. We ended up with a lot more adults camping with us than we'd had before. I'm sure there were precautions taken that we didn't know about at the time. In rural Oklahoma, it may have been a good drive to the nearest gas station to use a phone if we'd needed help. I can't imagine how hard it must have been for our parents to let us go.

[@michaelsledge3904]

I live for this content ! 🔥🔥

[@guest_5992]

Horrible! Not taking the note seriously and leaving young campers alone is unacceptable.

[@kalel311superman9]

i only learned about this almost 2 years ago, very sad, i was not even born when this happened, my parents were in high school if you went to camp today and found a threatening letter someone would call the police

[@Churd84538]

I'm 100% certain that the Sheriff joke is on my top 20 list of Dr. Grande comedy moments. Needs funniest wisecracks video in the future.

[@meep2576]

I love his subtle wisecracks 👍

[@anabandana666]

Finally joined the patreon!