Gisa vs Kroxa vs Siona vs Queen Marchesa EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@DarkEinherjar]

It seems a lot of people forget that Uro and Kroxa also trigger when they attack...

[@Walkingc0rpse]

Also a case or 2 where they should have discarded from Pain Magnification

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

@@Walkingc0rpse I noticed that too!

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@Walkingc0rpse maybe they ignored the triggers because their hands were already empty. Also, Kroxa's ETB doesn't trigger Pain Magnification (it's life loss, not damage).

[@tzarl]

@@DarkEinherjar Even if they had empty hands, they would still take the three damage from the trigger.

[@zactrixo]

They missed a bunch of trigger

[@MetalFerno09]

Completely reasonable reaction from Joé seeing the coffers hit the field honestly

[@MetalFerno09]

Got hearted and reacted like Joé

[@DarkEinherjar]

Too bad he then proceeded to do nothing with it.

[@TherapyForNarhwals]

“Joey excitedly...” *chicken screech* “copies it” 😂

[@fel_95]

that's my new ringtone now

[@ArcturusMinsk]

More of a "Star Wars" klaxon

[@DarkEinherjar]

This game in a nutshell: "LOOK MA, NO HANDS!"

[@PaulGaither]

I came for Ghoulcaller Gisa, a commander I have run since it was printed in the 2014 Sworn to Darkness deck. I rush to the decryption looking for the deck list, only to find myself reading: Gisa: I have no way to contact Julien.

[@sclyze]

Quite the bummer I'd say. But looking at the cards played, it looks like mono black zombie tribal, with living death and most likely zombie apocalypse as win cons.

[@DMJ94UC]

11:50 there shouldve been another kroxa trigger as it attacked and then was recast after dying.

[@jeffnorris211]

I’m not sure why he didn’t send it to the graveyard after it died but it’s all good

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@jeffnorris211 If you don't have recursion or enough cards in the graveyard to let it escape, there's no point in sending the titan there.

[@obicortes8199]

I just came to the comments to make sure someone had pointed that out

[@chrisviviers6360]

1:12 - "grave Titan, Sidisi" me: damn that sidisi alternate art looking fineeeee

[@chrislloyd4388]

What Joé did was a tremendous show of sportsmanship that I think we miss in a lot of our games. I respect him a lot for that.

[@xgxwills2857]

Guys this is the first time on the channel a Siona deck actually found an aura on its etb.

[@DarkEinherjar]

It's not going to be memorable until she finds Shielded by Faith and goes off.

[@erikwilliams1562]

It’s funny cuz somehow I pull Shielded almost every time Siona hits the board

[@albertoxFTW]

No Hands sitting next to a Zombie Deck guy "It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him."

[@jjcc8379]

The slowest , most predictable, but yet satisfying Living Death. Nicely played

[@PeterBeijl]

Awesome game! Great to see a Ghoulcaller Gisa deck for once! Hopefully the deck will be up soon, curious to see to whole 99.

[@quinnhait3475]

Very minor thing, Miguel didn't draw from playing the angelic gift at 3:29

[@socalacura1338]

Lots of missed Pain Magnification triggers... 😓

[@DarkEinherjar]

All hands were probably empty, so the triggers were just ignored. Also, Kroxa's ETB doesn't trigger Pain Magnification, as that's life loss, not damage.

[@MarvelOfRain]

They seemed to have little to no cards (you can see it from how many land drops are missed), so more likely there was nothing to discard.

[@jinxcurse6113]

Question because joè is the active player, could he have not stacked the sheoldred and marchesa trigger? Because they trigger at the same time can he choose how the triggers resolve? Edit grammer.

[@MTGMuddstah]

You're right. He made a slight mistake at that point.

[@jinxcurse6113]

thank you

[@DarkEinherjar]

He can only choose the order if he controls both triggers. Otherwise, the active player's triggers go to the stack first, then the non-active players' triggers, in turn order, and they resolve in reverse order. Joé doesn't control the Sheoldred trigger, so he has to sacrifice a creature before Marchesa can give him a token.

[@raidgoblin6933]

@@DarkEinherjar sheoldred and marchesa are both atb , since Joé was the active player marchesa should be first, though i wonder, can he choose to have it be last as the active player?

[@cookiecreep9204]

Damn wish i could get my hands on that Gisa list, i want to build her so much... The zombie Marrow Gnawer!

[@sundowneyes]

could there be a chance we see a deck list of the Gisa deck? love ya dood

[@astonrichardson5288]

Siona has so much combo potential! Especially with Shielded By Fate! It's nice to see a low-budget deck do well :)

[@xsenit]

I love people who play black like that, thats my favorite playstyle and its quite rare to see that many ppl play similar graveyard decks with those kind of commanders.

[@admanios]

Just an FYI: Joé should have kept the card in hand when he drew from the Monarch (not that it would have mattered...).

[@MTGMuddstah]

You're right. We only caught the sequencing thing later on.

[@AidanWR]

That moment when an elephant has more authority than a queen

[@jlbrooks74]

Any chance you could have players not use such busy mats for recorded games? Really rough on the eyes and can't tell if there's anything on the board or not 🤔

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'll see about suggesting it once I'm back filming in shops.

[@rhainex5952]

If you can get a deck list from Julien's gisa deck if possible please and thank you!

[@jacobmeagher]

Interesting, he said at 1:15 sidisi but it wasn't there in the starting hand?

[@eusouzoom]

I think you missed the narration at 6:10 when Joé copied the discard spell with the scepter.

[@Vian888]

Am I going crazy or did Seb tap fetchlands as normal lands multiple times instead of doing the fetch? Edit: sorry missed the urborg on turn 2

[@byBloby]

in 3:59 can anyone tell me why sidisi triggers if its not in battlefield? Thx :3

[@its_chris2323]

Thats how the mechanic works. She was in play to see she exploited something (herself). Now if she's removed by other means before her trigger resolves you won't get the tutor effect.

[@lucasbareis-golumb2388]

If the Cult of Rakdos is having fun, no one is!

[@tommya591]

Joe and Miguel playmats are screwing with my eyes....

[@Deacfreak2007]

Gisa is my all-time favorite Commander. Love this game.

[@dtopa7524]

@Joe where did you get your sleeves??! I cant find those Dragon Shields anywhere >.

[@SeanteBrown]

Gotta love when the zombies rule the night 💪🏾

[@des4497]

Mad respect to Joé for scooping but not scooping

[@giacomopellizzaro]

I'm curious about the Gisa's List!!

[@Choom89]

So I've only seen a tribal Sliver deck pop up once since I've been subscribed, how do you feel about playing as/against them? I have a fully tribal Sliver deck which is why I ask, with the newer Slivers that have been added I wonder how perception has changed. For the record I don't lead with Overlord and tutor all day, I have that option but I tend to let The First Sliver command so that my game will feel less predictable.

[@RecklessFables]

Fearing slivers is kind of a meme. Tables I play at are so high power they have no chance.

[@Choom89]

@@RecklessFables where do you think Slivers fall in terms of power? I'm certainly no cEDH veteran, but Slivers can accomplish some pretty nasty combos. At least in terms of pure damage and survivability.

[@newtpondskipper]

@@RecklessFables I get hated out anytime I play slivers, even if there are better decks. Kind of a joke despite how powerful the "could" be.

[@ElusiveOtter]

10:48 * angry power tool noises *

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Kroxa also triggers when it attacks, so it should have triggered at 11:50

[@aghost4831]

Is pain magnification miss trigger for few times?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Their hands were empty, so no point in mentioning the triggers. Also, Kroxa doesn't trigger Pain Magnification; Kroxa causes life loss, not damage.

[@AidanWR]

There were a few pain magnification triggers that were missed

[@ibenpolanco6280]

2:00 he plays bloodstone mire but casts kroxa?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Urborg on the field lets fetchlands tap for black.

[@julesmartin6972]

4:39 man if this was my playgroup we'd be hitting the discard you cards deck

[@NE5pats]

i will like the decklist for Gisa

[@Krazy0Beaner]

Where can i get the siona players playmatt!

[@ballsoutforbolas7555]

Ebay

[@miguelcloutier3784]

It's home made

[@geekmp3]

I thought for sure that Tainted Remedy was going to bite somebody... Maybe next time. Great game!

[@DarkEinherjar]

I wonder why he didn't go for Exquisite Blood to complete the combo...

[@rentonnoah7961]

Why did no one attack Seb, do you not like having a hand?

[@TheRedGauntlet]

So hapy that Gisa won.

[@gabrielhussain2747]

Please please please can you get juliens deck build list, I really wanna make something like it

[@atlasrises4]

Did Joé fork the unnerve?

[@Felhate]

PSA: Run Graveyard Hate. With no blue on the table, the mono black player was able to just mill himself without interference. It was only a matter of time before he was going to resolve a Living Death type card.

[@DarkEinherjar]

That's what I tell people who complain about Meren, but a lot of people just answer "but I don't want to dedicate deck slots to GY hate, it doesn't help me win!"

[@luizlozzanosanches4128]

decklist gisa please

[@JLPAG1]

It's amazing how much more fun games tend to be when there aren't any blue decks at the table. lol

[@soulanski]

i feel like seb having a thought vessel was just a cruel joke

[@Nailgraizer]

Oh my that Living Death was glorious. No GY hate?

[@aarong2606]

3:25 think miguel forgot his draw off angelic gift :/

[@Smaul002]

Does anybody here run Siona? Any pros and cons? How does it play?

[@markdolon7037]

That manly scream tho.

[@chrisblack7583]

How are you guys still able to play magic during quarantine?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Andrew has a huge backlog of recorded games from before the quarantine. He won't be running out of games anytime soon.

[@BananaNationTV]

11:52 Kroxa has an attack trigger for everyone to lose 3 as well as the next ETB trigger. Also 12:55 an opponent can only lose as much life as they have so Grey Merchant only gets 6 (which should have been 3) from Joé, not 20

[@DarkEinherjar]

No, players can lose more life than they have and go negative, and the Merchant will gain its controller the full life loss.

[@ZeroTSONG]

Hey Julien log in here and share that list plz!

[@bernieklau8063]

FIRST! LOVE YOUR CONTENT!

[@pkphantom]

It pleases me to no end to see copy magic being used in a competitive deck. All my friends told me "stop using those spells they're bad," this is my vindication! *HA!* 😁

[@shelkofsky1]

Sadly most of the decks on this channel are not "competitive". That isn't a dis. Sure they put thought into them and want to win, but anyone if these decks vs a "competive" edh would get demolished.

[@isaoblack987]

Missed the gain of life off the cartouche fight as Siona had lifelink from the armadillo cloak.

[@Fauna_CR]

Armadillo Cloak doesn't give lifelink.

[@DeltaFiend]

@@Fauna_CR It doesn't give lifelink, but it does have "Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, you gain that much life."

[@EDHNeoRoyal]

Zombies! Zombies! Zombies!

[@The_Nerd_King]

Good thing no one had a T Crypt!

[@PaulGaither]

Or Relic of Progentius, which is far better.

[@The_Nerd_King]

@@PaulGaither yeah, that too

[@ronaldrogan7546]

Seb played with a Bloodstained Mire and Arid Mesa and didn't sac or pay a life for either lol. How are you gonna run fetchlands and do that lol

[@thrashermaster4656]

Came for ghoulcaller gisa since I’m making my own deck

[@crovax1375]

I was really cheering for Kroxa this match! Oh well maybe next time

[@ML7WL]

think kroxa is more aggressive with recurring spells that goes in the grave after resolving, but nobody asked.

[@evafox9696]

We've banned Sire of Insanity in our playgroup because it literally grinds games to a halt. People lose their hands and have to just top deck until it is dealt with. No surprise it did the same thing here.

[@DarkEinherjar]

And this is why graveyard-based decks are awesome: discarding and milling just gives them more fuel.

[@Big_Dai]

A Siona, how fun..... I wonder what the deck does......

[@HellBentHitman]

Wouldn't it have been 46 life to gary since one opp. Was at 6? So many other missed triggers as well. Kroxa attacked and the angelic draw.

[@PaulGaither]

No. You can go into negative numbers. You lose as a state based effect if you life total is 0 or less. You do not lose one life at a time and die at zero. You lose it all at once, then the game checks our life total. This is why Platinum Angel works. You can be -100 and still not lose.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Hi! There's a similar ruling which you can see on Gatherer for Exsanguinate, but: "Players can lose more life than they have. For example, say you’re playing a multiplayer game in which one of your opponents has 3 life and your other opponent has 10 life. If you cast Exsanguinate with X of 4, your opponents will wind up at -1 life and 6 life, respectively. You’ll gain 8 life."

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Sire of insanity usually resolves a lot of games just by itself.

[@RecklessFables]

Clearly not by itself, since you need to have a plan to win, otherwise it's just like playing Armageddon with no plan to win

[@allegrocube2663]

Wouldn't Joey's tainted remedy atleast deal damage to Julien before he died?

[@garrett1433]

I wish I could play commander, sadly all my lgs are closed :(

[@rasetsu6146]

If you have a webcam or even a smartphone (some programs allow you to use your phone as both a webcam and microphone) you can play EDH using those. Some discords communities existed already before the crisis (PlayEDH for example) but they have quickly expanded since then because of the whole situation.

[@TheWhiteWizardPL]

Try Cockatrice MTG with your friends. Its free.

[@pntbller14]

Monarch just puts too much of a target on your head tbh one of the big reasons I went Kaalia > Queen when picking what mardu deck I wanted to build. That and Angles Demons and Dragons all United in a single deck sounded epic

[@tlothompson6935]

Lol Monarch puts a target on you but Kaalia DOESNT? Thats funny. Honestly this monarch deck wasn't played properly either. He played zero cards that stopped people from attacking him.

[@germanyjones2700]

No blue decks! Great game love dat sire so thicc

[@iiGiacomo]

No flame to Seb but is Kroxa fun? I feel like making everyone discard cards all the time wouldn’t be fun for most tables.

[@seb4856]

It isn't and that's why this deck is long gone xD

[@DarkEinherjar]

Neither is Stax, but that doesn't stop people from running it...

[@SyckestBlah]

To be honest, I love annoyingly unfun decks, if they're ridiculous enough. I kind of want to build one or two Commander decks and play again (I have stopped playing a few years ago), and one deck I want to build is Angus McKenzie. As in, my win condition is not losing and making everyone else draw out their libs. It runs all kinds of fogs and just enough counterspells to keep people from winning with combos. Anything else you may try to throw at me.

[@NarffetWerlz]

Gaem revuw tiem: Y YU NO HAS GRAVEYARD HATE

[@DarkEinherjar]

Because some people think they shouldn't run answers in their decks if said answers don't help develop their own boards.

[@coltonkeller9302]

Phrexian processor with Ghoulcaller

[@hectormorales4090]

Zs for the winz ;)

[@the_social_gammer1976]

Rip I want that gisa deck

[@coreysierchio4650]

...Long May She Reign.

[@JayC426]

Seb make that Bloodstained mire make Mana wtf!?!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Urborg.

[@d9_1056]

My money's on Gisa

[@noalindqvist9826]

Mine is on Siona

[@eliakimrodrigues]

Ours on Queen Marchesa - long may she reign

[@d9_1056]

@@eliakimrodrigues there's a new queen in town.

[@imperialtutor8687]

this was a bit of a sad showing. people weren't playing at their best it seems. kroxa is great but you cannot overcommit on a deck that obviously wants to fill the graveyard. Seb gave Julien the game as soon as he played that sire of insanity

[@IQuarent]

12:57: Julien would not gain the full 60, as he would only gain life "equal to the life lost this way". 46 life was lost, so he would only gain that much.

[@tylerbulmer9415]

When you tap fetch for mana😂

[@DarkEinherjar]

Urborg allowed him to.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Urborg is out. I specifically mention it.

[@tylerbulmer9415]

MTG Muddstah I know I just thought that was funny

[@samuelparkes8662]

Gray merchant only gains the amount of life lost which was 46, not 60.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Hi! That's not actually correct. There's a similar ruling which you can see on Gatherer for Exsanguinate, but: "Players can lose more life than they have. For example, say you’re playing a multiplayer game in which one of your opponents has 3 life and your other opponent has 10 life. If you cast Exsanguinate with X of 4, your opponents will wind up at -1 life and 6 life, respectively. You’ll gain 8 life."

[@samuelparkes8662]

@@MTGMuddstah ah you are right. I read the ruling wrong and assumed it was in line with the inability to pay more life than one has

[@dannyzep92]

Nonblue pods are always intersting to watch

[@fq3530]

Kroxa pronunciation grinds a tiny bit each time.

[@FernandoRojas-py6fn]

Julien shouldn't gain 60 life, he should gain 46 only, because one opponent only have 6 life

[@clrl936]

Players can lose more life than they have. The player that had 6 life still lost 20 life and went to -14.

[@darkGhostSith]

So for future refrence Gisa player shouldn't gain 60 life from Gary as Marchesa player had only 6 life, it should have been 46. This still probably wouldn't change winner of the game, but it sometimes matters.

[@Zaalbarjedi]

For your future reference - you are totally incorrect.

[@danriemer9724]

RainbowSnake that’s incorrect. You can be drained for more life than you have and players can have negative life.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Hi! That's not actually correct. There's a similar ruling which you can see on Gatherer for Exsanguinate, but: "Players can lose more life than they have. For example, say you’re playing a multiplayer game in which one of your opponents has 3 life and your other opponent has 10 life. If you cast Exsanguinate with X of 4, your opponents will wind up at -1 life and 6 life, respectively. You’ll gain 8 life."

[@isaachaahr8691]

That is incorrect. It is a single instance of damage and then the game checks for anything died to it.

[@darkGhostSith]

Ok sorry, my mistake. The more you know.

[@davyfjones]

Gisa won! Yeeeeee!