Teysa Karlov vs Trostani vs Ayula vs Athreos EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: the Gathering

[@rayramos4685]

BEAR

[@kwads1909]

BEAR!

[@corvoattano6765]

BEAR

[@MayhemMessiah]

B E A R B E A R B E A R B E A R

[@MTGMuddstah]

BEAR

[@archon458]

I am the BEAR player.

[@archon458]

Hey, I was the Ayula player in this game. To give a bit of insight. I was mainly worried about the Tesya throughout the game as my deck could reasonably stall the board against the Trostani deck, but the Teysa deck would be able to chip at me even and bring me down that way. I wanted to knock the Athreos player down some life first, to prevent him from abusing his life as resource. I probably have left the Sir Konrads alone and started to go after the Archon and Cavalier. But I was also just getting pretty flooding and wanted to make sure I was healthy when I started to hit more bears. Also, losing the ForeBEARers blade hurt a lot. The lack of trample at the time meant I was unable to get a lot of pressure through with Ayula. The fact it's a pun in the deck does hurt too.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

I will always root for the bears! (got my own ayula deck :P) You deserved to win imo. You actually did a lot by using the fighting mechanic to get rid of some keypieces. gjgj

[@comedyman4896]

Yeah, If I were muddstah I would have definitely gone after one of the skullclamps on the table.

[@archon458]

@@comedyman4896 I'm pretty biased, but I would have to agree. I would probably get rid the athreos' clamp as he has easy access to sac outlets.

[@ToHitACZero]

I think you did a fine job considering the difference in power between the Bear deck (which let's be honest is a fun and goofy meme deck) and the rest of the field.

[@geovannyleonardo9658]

"forebear blade, why because it has the word bear in it" lol that was one of the best gk eps lol. Now when i see bears im not holding back. Like real bears they can sneak up real quick.

[@jocas94]

love the ForeBEAR's blade in the bear tribal deck

[@apophis456]

jocas94 it’s a blade for bears, after all

[@shikabaneconga]

jocas94 that joke was in the command zone

[@geovannyleonardo9658]

@@shikabaneconga that was one of the best ep I'll never underestimate bears.

[@kapmasta]

the “shut up gary “ is my favorite intro lmao

[@DummyUrD]

Its Jerry, he is the one who asked the question (one of the spikefeeders)

[@charleslegreatthegarbagemo7202]

We’ll get the colorless Goblin noises someday Jerry.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

And once again Andrew proves that keeping a low profile, let everyone kill each other and doing up to 2 explosive turns wins most games.

[@commanderpower99]

I don't think he had a low profile. Other two players were disrupting/attacking Jammie while he had 6-11 creatures on board. That was 2 turns before he won.

[@commanderpower99]

I think it was poor threat assessement. Also dropping Cultivate from the expertise after drawing a million card and already having 8 lands should signal a BIG turn coming up from Andrew.

[@kurowasanabe]

That's one spicy Scheming Symmetry.

[@princevegetaprinceof212say3]

I'll say it again thank you Andrew for this deck idea it is still one of my favorite decks to play, of course it is missing the more expensive cards (tutors and lands mostly) but then again my playgroups are much more casual where decks rarely meet the $100 threshold.

[@esperderek5383]

Whenever you play Trostani it feels like people put blinders on and let you do whatever despite stuff like Zendikar Resurgent being on the field, it's baffling.

[@arthropox738]

people seem to ignore things that don't actively hurt them.

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

@@arthropox738 tell that to my meta 😪🤕 someone else will have a Mirari's Wake and The Great Henge in play, but Noooo my two Hondens are CLEARLY the priority for your Return to Dust... 🙄😒😔

[@solidmasterdante]

@@RoxyGotMoxy. Shit like that is how I get unreasonable and let grudge-mode take over. Someone smokes my two shrines over a Mirari's Wake and a Great Henge, that's personal. Vengeance must be had.

[@nathanspencer6140]

07:40 Archon of Valor’s Reach is a replacement effect, not a trigger, and would be chosen before resolving any triggers.

[@toriku_]

This was an intense game to watch, I love watching your Trostani deck and I love it even more watching it go off and gain you a ton of life out of nowhere and winning

[@TheProjectplayer]

Dictate trigger on Teysa dying from the block?

[@tmakalpha1]

Ugh that Scheming Symmetry is why I don't play Enlightened Tutor until the end of someone else's turn lol

[@gxantor]

I do think it's poor form to choose Andrew when he was just trying to speed the game up.

[@DakingofAP]

@@gxantor Glad I am not the only one who thought that... Seemed a little BM, optimally he would play just before his turn, he was just trying to be nice.

[@gapeape3895]

@@DakingofAP its value, same value he gets from targeting low life players with athreos' triggers.

[@shilohartisan]

it didn't shuffle his sol ring in though. it just asked "if you could pick ANY card to put the top of library, would you still keep the artifact/enchantment that you picked with enlightened tutor?" if i had to target someone to put any card they want to top of library I would definitely pick the person who already tutored something to the top of their library. It didn't hurt him, it just didn't help him. So I say it wasn't bad manners.

[@BjornEinarr]

It's not bad manners at all, punishing missplays is fine.

[@ghostfire1234]

A lesson in instants guys, never cast them at sorcery speed.

[@rexone9564]

ghostfire1234 that’s not always true

[@Nailgraizer]

@@rexone9564 he might have been deep in hyperbole territory with never, but like 99.99% he's right.

[@rexone9564]

Ay-Ay-Ron not nearly so high, if you need your instant to resolve casting it on your turn when they are tapped is right. I’ll give it 70/30.

[@Nailgraizer]

@@rexone9564 73/27?

[@rexone9564]

Ay-Ay-Ron fine

[@JGushi87]

Every deck looked cool and had a chance to shine. Loved this episode :D

[@Chuubii]

Really, the blade and not one of the clamps?

[@WhittleDragon]

Still a teysa fan. I was hard core rooting against all of y’all.

[@goldfeather2871]

Missed dictate trigger at 5:46 ? Tessa should die from blocking the web weaver at 12:09 ?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Teysa went to the command zone in the end and not the graveyard. This means she doesn't actually die and doesn't trigger Dictate.

[@oscaraxrup278]

GoldFeather Dictate only triggers when creatures die, and since Teysa went to the command zone instead of the graveyard she doesn't actually die.

[@signisakanades1329]

Nope, Dictate didn't trigger because the commander never 'died' (which means goes to the graveyard). It went to the command zone instead.

[@jessedorval7051]

Perfect game for my birthday thanks MTG Muddstah

[@jaredharper19]

April is the worst time to have a birthday this year haha hope you have a good day!

[@jessedorval7051]

@@jaredharper19 ha ha I suppose you are right but it is the day my birthday is on every year 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jacobbriscoe8078]

No Dictate trigger at 5:49?

[@CeltiesSin]

I know it’s basically a one tract mind commander, but I’m always a sucker for a Teysa deck 😁

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

I wish I could somehow run Yarok and Teysa Karlov as partner commanders.. can you just IMAGINE the value?! Tbf I'm the crazy bitch that once made an unofficial partner up for a special commander tournament of Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons and The Scorpion God in a negative counters Jund monstrosity so 🤷‍♀️😛 and if you're wondering, while I didn't win, yes, it was pretty broken.

[@BigNoob1012]

forbears blade in the bear deck is one of the funniest puns I have seen

[@KidsJavo2088]

Great game jajaja, thank you. XD by the way Josh forgot the blood artist triggers with every creature, not just his, that's why the artist still got his beauty :P

[@TheTCKreen]

I was about to say that myself!

[@mrdude8416]

I love pods without blue, I don’t need to ask if it resolves!

[@rayramos4685]

*Lapse of Certainty has entered the chat*

[@princevegetaprinceof212say3]

I think white has two counter spells one has you pay one more or its countered and the other puts it on top of your deck

[@blueflare3978]

Prince Vegeta Prince of 2 1/2 sayians mana tithe, lapse of certainty, and Illumination

[@MayhemMessiah]

Don't be a noob, there's always Red Elemental Blast ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@rayramos4685]

@@MayhemMessiah Hey! Don't disrespect Pyroblast like that.

[@efuii]

I would 100 % aim everything at Andrew after that second See the Unwritten. Sorry, but Teysa just can't compare the amount of pain that Trostani can do.

[@geovannyleonardo9658]

Yea sure when 3 players target teysa while trostani chilling in her resurgent lol without being attacked loo

[@mattiamiglino4968]

5:50 shouldn't dictate of Erebos have triggered?

[@stephenbrown3261]

If your commander would die, and you send it to the command zone instead, the commander doesn't actually 'die' and so death triggers will happen.

[@mattiamiglino4968]

@@stephenbrown3261 gotcha, thanks!

[@Alexandremassalima]

i need the green playmat in my table right now! where i buy it?

[@AidanWR]

At 8:50, he missed the Athreos trigger, most likely due to the other triggers

[@kyubbiman2255]

Poor Jammy everyone teaming up on her, to be fair it is an Aristocrats deck, but still it is kind of mean.

[@tacothursdays6546]

Welp Muddstah you've officially sold me I'm building my own Trostani deck

[@mikemoyer8162]

I freaking love your Trostani deck. Not gonna lie. I have closely copied it. No Cavaliers in there yet though.

[@sammysammyson]

5:50 Did they forget the Dictate of Erebos trigger when Teysa died or did I forgot something?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Teysa going to the command zone is a replacement effect for dying. This means that things that trigger from creatures dying don't occur (ie: Skullclamp, Dictate, etc)

[@CesarLopez-mn1fo]

Was that a missed dictate of erebos trigger? When yeysa died to ayula?

[@judegraham2951]

I’m pretty sure very deck but the trostani has appeared on game knight. With incredibly similar construction too

[@Aphidae]

Am I just dumb, or did Jammy just completely ignore her own skullclamp and leave open unused mana for several turns in a row?

[@josueantonio12]

So nice seeing Trostani again!

[@masterale10]

Im gathering information for teysa karlov edh, and i just saw how jammy refused to play in a more competitive way the first turns, im at turn 4 and im liking it

[@jackfrager2542]

I need a Muddstah lore question answered. Is the goblin on the title card named Garry?

[@MTGMuddstah]

No

[@evafox9696]

I don't fully understand how players ignore someone with double-mana on the field in Green/White. It's honestly baffling to me and it was so obvious that Andrew was going to win because he was being ignored.

[@crovax1375]

That Phyrexian Processor though!

[@DarkPretender205]

I just made an athreos deck, based on this one, I just wanted to say, that the Athreos Deck has 37 lands not 36, so its listed with 101 cards ;)

[@MayhemMessiah]

Ah, I've been waiting for a while for Trostani to do some sweet, sweet Trostani things.

[@cristianprado8559]

why didn't Jammy cast turn 1 skullclamp? am I missing something here or it was a misplay?

[@wallbant]

can you guys try out my gavi cycling flicker deck? uses astral drift + the new flicker card escape protocol to gain continuous value off cycling with gavi

[@TheYukura]

I really love your trostani Deck! I want to build one similar too!

[@germanyjones2700]

Bear. Force. One. Thanks mudd

[@SamuraiOfTheSix]

I want to see more of that Athreos/Shadowborn deck.

[@jaredgarden2455]

As an athreos shadowborn appostle pilot myself. Josh needs to start packing secret salvage, immortal servitude & dusk//dawn. He also needs to be smarter with who he directs his athreos triggers at, he should have been able to go off waaaaaay sooner.

[@charleslegreatthegarbagemo7202]

Someday we’ll get the colorless goblin noises.

[@DarkSwan01]

For those who are wondering about the Teysa link, here it is. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teysas-death-party-2/

[@timm6158]

Is that a newer trostani build ? If so decklist?

[@matheuscampos5730]

The Teysa deck is missing the link. Is it on tappedout?

[@nealtheNightmare]

How does scheming symmetry read? I thought it went to the top of the library?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, but if you select a player that has just tutored something to the top, they'll most likely tutor for the same card, essentially negating Scheming Symmetry's drawback.

[@healz4u]

Are you able to add a link to Jammy's Teysa deck? Seems to be missing in the description. Always like to see how people build them to optimize.

[@babycake1376]

hoping to see teysa karlov decklist... thanks

[@sonsysy4195]

Missed dictate of erebos trigger

[@hugolind880]

Why not run field of the dead in Trostani?

[@lazaruscomplexofficial]

I LOVE YOUR TROSTANI DECK

[@cliponbowties4799]

Did they miss a bunch of Dictate of Erebos triggers?

[@oddballl9128]

It seems like forgot how Commanders still die before going back to command zone now.

[@ThaChedda]

Scheming symmetry goes on top of library. Andrew put it in his hand!

[@09Dragonite]

Lol, Andrew you were definitely the main target XD But Jammy was playing edicts, aristocrats, and tax effects that damaged the entire table which made her a target ASAP. Josh was in a rough position most of the game because everyone already knows exactly how Athreos Apostles works and no one wanted to give him any leeway to abuse the Apostles- but the best he could do was get Jammy to a low life total and constantly target her with the ability to make sure he got his stuff back- and then you killed his punching bag XD Kyle was just kind of doing their thing, but really they weren't all that impactful compared to the rest of the table. The best they had were a few combat steps and some damage slinging.

[@lovereno5958]

I mean the bear deck was what was keeping tesya of the board most the time

[@danriemer9724]

I would have loved to see a bit more spot removal from the non-Trostani deck. Orzhov and green have some of the best removal out there and I didn’t see anything cast. Utter end, anguished unmaking, nature’s claim, a sweeper, anything to deal with the multiple powerful artifacts and enchantments on board could have swung the game in anyone’s favor. Maybe they are running it and didn’t draw it, but to see nothing from three players is super unlucky if that’s the case.

[@archon458]

It was in the deck, I just never saw it. I'm the ayula player. My draws weren't great that whole game

[@danriemer9724]

archon458 yeah that sucks. It’s just a bummer neither of the orzhov players could pick up the slack. At least you could fight things!

[@Dragyg]

Should Josh's blood artist also trigger anytime Jammy's creatures died?

[@MTGMuddstah]

We may have missed some. At some points there were a ton of triggers going off.

[@noalindqvist9826]

Do you still have your Zedru deck? It hasn't been on the channel for a long while (especially in comparison to Trostani). You said something about switching general to either Kykar or Elsha. I would like to see it again soon.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I do! You might want to check back tomorrow ;) I re-sleeved it as a more traditional style Zedruu. I'd be lying though if I didn't say that I was considering swapping her to Gavi though.

[@noalindqvist9826]

Is it a deck tech for her? Or finally another conquer your commander?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Neither. It's another game!

[@noalindqvist9826]

@@MTGMuddstah On a Friday!?

[@DylanCEdh]

Aristocrats are a dangerously fast type of deck, Jammy was definitely the main threat

[@IamJoshEast]

Trostani deck seems a bit weaker and slower after a few changes that I see have been made. Still did the job and is an awesome deck that inspired my own, based on your older mold🙌🏼

[@MTGMuddstah]

The deck is heavily dependent on my opener / early disruption. It's more of a late game deck.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Josh forgot the Athreos trigger when he clamped the Apostle.

[@kwikdraw7332]

I was going to say this. I only saw him miss the one at 8:30 though. I think he hit the rest of them

[@s.i.rjewel828]

Wait around 8:50 I think Josh forgot an athreos trigger

[@ojedeku7505]

I love that trostani deck 😂 it's pretty original

[@jinbam]

It's josh is command zone's josh? I curious about name.

[@thengine7]

Wow jammy really hates drawing cards. Didn't use the skullclamp at all.

[@owneyw4374]

Thengine she got bullied so much I’m not sure it would have been wise

[@eduardosiridakis1367]

I wish we had Teysa's decklist. I got a lot of good cards for a Teysa deck but still I'm struggling to make it work :/

[@pedrodealcantaravieirabuen4088]

I like to search for ideas in this website "edhrec.com/commanders/teysa-karlov" I have a Teysa's deck

[@haeffound]

Of course the Shadowborn guy is called Josh.

[@777warboy]

JAMMY USE SKULLCLAMP!!!! DRAWING 4 IS PRETTY GOOD

[@illusionxmuta]

That's a massive paw.

[@matthewrobert1810]

Wizards tower Ottawa?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Yep!

[@noalsono8481]

Last time I was this early, Paradox Engine was legal

[@thengine7]

Jammy should have really tried to draw more cards...

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

haven't finished the video yet...but srsly you blow up the forebears blade instead of a skullclamp which is pure value town in those orzhov decks? bro. You should HELP Bearforce One

[@chexmix0101]

Yup 🤦‍♂️

[@zackkelley2940]

@@chexmix0101 Skullclamp is busted as hell... Forebear's Blade is... slightly annoying

[@maxtelvo4482]

Oh yeah the Queen is here.

[@pliedlice2355]

Is that JLK on the Athreos/Shadowborn Apostle deck?

[@lvoverride]

Why didn't we play the Enlightened Tutor on Kyle's end step in order to avoid shenanigans like Josh screwing you with the Scheming Symmetry?

[@copperfield42]

I think is to not waste others time doing nothing while you're shuffling, if you do it as show here, you can search/shuffle your deck while the other player do their thing

[@lvoverride]

@@copperfield42 I kinda figured that would be the answer. I would hope that if I'm doing that to help speed the game along that it wouldn't be exploited as it was here.

[@aarong2606]

Did Kyle hold that beast within all game!? Lol or did I miss it

[@Macattack1023]

Lol what did these people think would happen when they ignore your deck the entire game! When zendikar resurgent comes down it’s time to pay attention to you too! Jammy I thought was going to have this game in the bag her starting hand was godlike.

[@TheGodOfHouse]

Do these people never learn the inevitability of Andrew's Trostani deck?! It's bafflingly frustrating how he keeps on getting away with his strategy of keeping his head low. Terrible threat assessment by the other players...

[@invaderatlai3433]

To be fair they were new to the channel, so they might not have the experience with his Trostani. Call it poor threat assessment or whatnot, but most players target the active threats rather than the quiet player off to the side just doing his thing. Plus, Andrew is kind of an expert at this point at flying under the radar.

[@xpert_domination198]

Muddstah was hardcore the target, plus there were so many mistriggers it killed me :/

[@TheFadoraGuy]

Josh missed a lot of blood artist triggers 🥲

[@andrepinheirocustodio8352]

Bear beats bear. - Schrute, Dwight.

[@Shaltevencraft]

Man, Jammy really got bullied that entire game...

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

that is cuz orzhov are normally the bullies

[@Narabedla4]

turn 2 talisman into skullclamp of a teysa deck -> you stomp them until they are izzet.

[@archon458]

As the bear player, it was a case where Teysa was the hardest deck for me to beat in the long run, and the athreos player was already pretty low. Also, giving death touch to tokens really hurts my ability to swing in.

[@dji7231]

3:15 Marsh flat misplay there

[@MTGMuddstah]

Jean Daniel Desrosiers how so?

[@dji7231]

@@MTGMuddstah He never fetch the land, then draw two, which would not be those two if he had shuffled after fetching. Not a big deal, random is random I guess

[@MTGMuddstah]

He didn't need to. Urborg was out which lets him tap it for black mana either way.

[@dji7231]

@@MTGMuddstah Oh yes my bad I missed that

[@quietninjariot]

Why do you guys still play in person and not online with this pandemic happening?

[@rayramos4685]

He's going through the gameplay he has stored from past outings

[@quietninjariot]

@@rayramos4685 He said "and new to this channel" when referring to the Teysa player so that is an implication the video is very recent.

[@rayramos4685]

@@quietninjariot Not necessarily. 'New to this channel' can easily mean they haven't been in one of his previous videos. Some shops have regulars, some have infrequent visitors.

[@quietninjariot]

@@rayramos4685 Then he needs to make it clear that any videos he uploads after the pandemic are from before the pandemic happened.

[@tfdrago]

It's Josh from The Command Zone?

[@MTGMuddstah]

No

[@jordanbrulez717]

I am here for bear game play.

[@Filip-uo2sq]

Came to see Teysa Decklist. Little disappointed there. But nevertheless I very much enjoyed the game.

[@Schieddog]

I’ve always wondered, why do they say ‘Shut up Gary’ in the intro. Who’s Gary?

[@sofer2230]

Jerry of "The Spike Feeders".

[@Alrightrunit]

I believe there was a missed dictate trigger when Kyle attacked

[@Onattamato]

Give me two turns (Cause) I need two turns So I can get to stompin' with my Bear Force Ones Big boys stompin' with my Bear Force Ones!

[@Daviot22]

When tysa died the first time after dictate was played no one sacrificed their creaturs. The bear fought her and killed her. So you all should have had to sac something too

[@CeltiesSin]

Daviot22 going to the command zone does not count as dying. It’s a weird and dumb rule, but it’s how it works unfortunately

[@Daviot22]

@@CeltiesSin shit. Been playing that wrong then. Oops

[@garretgeorge9721]

couldn't jammy sacrifice Teysa to ashnod's altar when she declares to block on turn 6 against Kyle triggering the dictate of erebos ?

[@thibautsome3082]

The rule change on the commander dying hasn't happen already ;). So Teysa just go straight to command zone, not seeing the graveyard ;).

[@christinabutterfield1801]

Bruh how hard is it to remember what your cards do?

[@beemingos3895]

Oh LAWD HE DID IT