Kishore Mahbubani: The Biggest Mistakes of the US, China, and ASEAN | Endgame

[@RayanBDHK]

He is indeed blunt in his reply, but he says that in such a nice and calm manner that he never comes across as blunt or rude. Absolutely love listening to him, very pragmatic and sound analysis.

[@BGMMalaysia]

Absolutely beautiful discussion!

[@rr-ricky]

nothing sound with kishore. he just spouts chinese non-sense about a new world order. he hastily spouts the end of American led world order which globalized the world.

[@donaldjoseph3903]

Probably the best China story teller this part of the world..

[@jws5871]

I love it that he told the host, in his most diplomatic way, that Asia doesn't need the English language. 😂 Not sure why the host thinks Asians should be speaking more English 🤷🏿‍♀️🤦🏿‍♀️

[@stayprepared2388]

which idiot will want to listern to China ? look at what happen to Hong Kong = a sad place to go under China rule

[@dinovega158]

Kishore is a wise man. Very Asian in his cadence and in the way he forms his points. Thanks, bro Gita for bringing him back.

[@stayprepared2388]

which idiot will want to listern to China ? look at what happen to Hong Kong = a sad place to go under China rule

[@joeyjia5553]

He knew very well why Europe and Russia cannot get together, it's the same reason why East asian countries cannot form a union like ASEAN, it is all because USA is interfering and prevent those countries from united together.😅 He just won't say that USA is behind all these conflicts.

[@jefferyaustin1571]

Mr. Kishore loves South East Asian Countries because he is a Singaporean. I have enjoyed so much of the interview. Thank you so much for inviting Mr. Kishore.

[@cosmoray9750]

House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas " HR 1157

[@DrMantoWangnao]

One of the greatest geopolitical strategist and thinker 🙏👍 . The Genius Prof Kishore Mahbubani💖👍🙏🤝.

[@donaldjoseph3903]

Arguably òne of the best advocate of the China story in Asia.. 😊

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Hes OK,but i am way better!

[@india2880]

This is the great problem of all times. The best of men and women are never understood by the people who are in power. Better to say, they are a threat to the system. Too many proof of this exist

[@orlandos8323]

​@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl CH-Depp?

[@lawinner888]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

[@1.12ev5]

In times like this, thank you for brining Kishore back again, and always love to listen to Kishore's observations on the world and Asia in particular.

[@urimtefiki226]

Thank you for this interview, thanks to journalist who never interrupted Prof. Kishore.

[@shreekishanRoi]

Kishore is absolutely right on many issues. He is insightful.

[@georgelim8746]

If world leaders listen to Kishore, the world would be a much better place.

[@happymelon7129]

They knew , but lead by greed

[@TacticalMayo]

Nope, we 🇺🇸 won't listen to him. We won't accept. It's not an option never, hell no.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@happymelon7129you have to be out your mind to think we would live in the world where China is the number one economic power. It's not going to happen.

[@WingkKong]

​@@TacticalMayothe British people come to their sense only after two world Wars

[@teowkweechua1338]

Exactly talk on hindsight is easy, who doesn't know . Even a child does know too.

[@ranochung]

my most fav. geopolitical professor... one of the greatest..

[@joeyjia5553]

He is carefully and smartly choosing his words. He actually knew very well why Europe and Russia cannot get together, it's the same reason why East asian countries cannot form a union, it is all because USA is interfering and prevent those countries from united together.😅 He just won't say that USA is manipulating its so called allies and is behind all these conflicts.😅

[@JosuaYOT-ks1re]

one of great person who i admire, Thank you Kishore.

[@enkaiscott]

This is a great person?

[@yourhead4120]

Yes he is. Why do you think he is not?​@@enkaiscott

[@jayxiao6779]

really great person, learn a lot from him

[@Goye41]

​@@yourhead4120 He does not think so is perhaps he's not capable of thinking, and so easily told otherwise!!!

[@hatanto]

I like kishore. I've been following him in the last 10 years and appreciate his thinking and believe in geopolitical issues, in particular with regard to the ASEAN, China and the US. Thanks Kishore

[@sallywoon9464]

I really really respect Prof Kishore very very much. A great man that really consider about the peace of Asean. Thank you very much! Love you so much. And he understands that China love Peace also.

[@prasitkoysiripong5150]

I respect this gentleman Professor Krishore.

[@eskay2012]

Prof Kishore is a wise man of wisdom and intelligence. Asia wishes to be left alone and prosper in peace.

[@rahulborntobewild]

If everyone succumbed to China's will

[@bartholomewsitoh7492]

That's exactly why america doesn't leave Asia alone unless Asia joins america to ostracize China

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Dont worry Asia is destroying themself,just look at the extrem corruption,and in many asian countrys Like Thailand the birthrate is already very Low!

[@whitewalker-sq7cy]

@@bartholomewsitoh7492it is not at Asia’s interest to do that cos China is a big and powerful neighbour and it’s something that cannot be changed. Also a fact that the now America can’t offer Asia anything to go against China

[@rahulborntobewild]

@@whitewalker-sq7cy China is artificially big after it captured Tibet and Xing Xiang by force. Half of Asean countries Japan and India are hostile to China for a reason

[@Deeeepsea-j5m]

Thank you Mr Kishore, i so respect your views, analysis . I only hope western leaders listen to you clearly and take your wisdom on geopolitical understanding seriously. Please keep these conversations coming for us! 🙏❤️🙏

[@HappyPandaBear73]

Bless you, Professor Kishore Mahbubani for sharing your perspective on the current tensions that are happening around this current time. Highest respect to you, Professor Kishore Mahbubani.🙏🙏🙏👍🏼🇨🇳🌏☮️🙂❗️

[@ramramchandani3959]

Kishore's wisdom and geopolitical insights are worth listening to. I always sit through the whole podcast whenever he speaks. So much to learn from him. 😊❤

[@Andy-P]

@@ramramchandani3959 Kishore speaks for the CCP

[@exsapian]

Protect this man at all cost. And spread his message. We need more leaders like this.

[@Cellpeg]

A man that truly understands China.

[@sword7872]

Actually because he also understands the west so well at the same time as understanding china that's what gives us the benefits of his wisdom and analysis.

[@TacticalMayo]

No, not at all.​@@sword7872

[@weiyeongtan2695]

Not only China, but the World with its connectivity.

[@Sky-8646]

Chinese soul in a India body..

[@timawa22]

Or we shall say, a man already bought by china

[@stevenliew2507]

Professor Kishore's mind is so super sharp even during the discourse chit chat. My respect Professor 🙏🙏💪💪👍👍

[@axo7064]

Brilliant and provocative perspectives by Mr. Mahbubani and Mr. Wirjawan ... thank you for sharing your thoughts!

[@maradon385]

Kishore is certainly one of the best ambassadors of peace with his enormous knowledge on history and geopolitical understanding. Hopefully his message can help foster global peace and prosperity.

[@varenaurigayurioshi4836]

44:20 - 45:48 semoga saja presiden terpilih mendengar nya. Podcast yang sangat keren terkait geopolitik Asean, Asia pasifik , eropa and Us. 👍👍

[@bekicot88]

Iya kesadaran Barat lagi lakukan politik adu domba

[@rizaf1838]

Prof Kishore pernah diundang lecture di kemenhan dan bertemu prabowo. Beliau juga pernah diundang SBY, jokowi

[@chrisang3774]

Kishore’s one of the best analysts for the world especially for Asean. l hope all asean politicians leaders are listening his true facts.

[@jayaantara8599]

100% true

[@igolfer]

Dr. Kishore Mahbubani and Professor Jeffrey Sachs are my heroes. Their books and speeches have been reinforcing my beliefs for many years. The Taiwan issue is the last piece of colonialism and will be resolved in due course. It is time that Western imperialism and colonialism in the name of capitalism finally come to an end. That’s why politicians in the West are hysterical and delusional and desperate to stop the rise of China. The so called “coming collapse of China”is, in reality, the coming collapse of imperialism and colonialism, or the collapse of global hegemony. For the last 500 hundred years before the beginning of the collapse of colonialism in the 1950s, Europe had been colonizing the rest of the world, mainly for its endless resources and cheap labor to feed its own economic growth. The West had been fighting wars among themselves for colonies and control of raw materials and energy. Ever since the end of the WW2, independence movements across the globe had first set free countries in Asia, followed by Latín America, the Middle East and lastly Africa. The West is, now, no longer able to get free resources or labor or land, to support its dominance over developing countries, or the global South in general. Under these circumstances, Europe, or the West including Japan, is losing its own economic independence; they are relying heavily or existentially on the support of the U.S. In the meantime, on the other hand, the global South with the cooperation among the BRICS COUNTRIES like China, Russia, Brazil, South Africa and so on, are focusing on their own economic growth and social development. The new world order is emerging with multipolarity and international democracy for shared prosperity. The West is feeling the heat and threat of its hegemonic collapse. That’s why they are following the marching order of the U.S., in its proxy war in Ukraine against Russia. The European countries have become totally dependent on the U.S. for its resources and strength. Without their old colonies, they submit themselves now completely to the hegemony of the U.S. However, with the united front between China and Russia, the global south is awakening to a new world order. They see their hope and prosperity in China’s BRI as well as the strategies of the BRICKS. That’s why the West can not defeat Russia in Ukraine because it doesn’t have the unlimited resources it used to enjoy with their colonies gone forever. The bottom line is how can the West or NATO expect to beat the united front between Russia and China in the long run without getting into a nuclear Armhcsageddon?! It is a self-indulgent delusion that the West under the coercion of the United States would be able somehow to stop or contain the rise of China with so-called small yard with high fences. It is a self defeating hypothesis. The U.S. and China should be partners and friends instead of enemies or competitors, for the benefits of the humanity and for a better world for all.

[@Q_QQ_Q]

Jeffrey is the one who Engineered Soviet loot in 90s as one of the Harvard boys.

[@donaldjoseph3903]

Both are huge fans of China..😊

[@igolfer]

@@Q_QQ_Q Mr. Jeffrey Sachs did not do that. Blaming him for what the West did is ludicrous.

[@iansen57002]

@@igolfer : mostly agree and appreciate your opinions

[@TacticalMayo]

WE GOT YOU TAIWAN! 🇺🇸🇹🇼

[@gigi0846]

Great interview! It’s a treat to watch dialogue between two intellectuals

[@hongqi5734]

Kishore is an intellectual, but the other is the US arse kisser.

[@joegoh1968]

Kishore and George Yeo need to be talk more and spread their insights. ASEAN needs to rise up and stop the US from inciting chaos in Asia. ASEAN also need to give the Philippines an ultimatum .. either stay neutral .. or leave the group. We do not need the Philippines to jeopardize the peace in SEA.

[@westwoodly]

When the American left Subic Bay Naval Base and Clarke Air Base, there was a power vacuum. China took advantage of it and claimed much of the South China Sea and built military bases on the islands. Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore wisely suggested there is a need for a balance of power with the presence of US forces. Unfortunately US made the wrong decision. Now it becomes a problem for them because they want to meddle. Their bad experience in Vietnam must have scared them. Now they want to be friend with another communist country - Vietnam.

[@Andy-P]

Is ASEAN sub serviant to China? Phillipines gives up her EEZ so does the rest of ASEAN. If that is the case Phillipines better off without ASEAN and allied to America ASEAN can kowtow to China and give up SCS to China

[@Naruto-u2k3n]

Singapore is too tiny they'd rather be submisive to china 😂noted !

[@andywu5879]

@@Naruto-u2k3n your thinking is too American, that one country has to bend knees to another.

[@Naruto-u2k3n]

@@andywu5879 you already once bend knees to the british dont be foolish yall do it again if push comes to shove.

[@agusfebrian5991]

Senang sekali mendengar percakapan ini sangat banyak pengetahuan yg saya dapatkan, semoga indonesia selalu memberikan kontribusi khususnya di asean serta dapat menjadi negara yg maju adil & sejahtra tanpa harus menyakiti bangsa/ negara lain.

[@awieong39]

A great known Professor 🥰

[@talk2stop]

I hope ASEAN will get him to be their permanent adviser. He is an ideal person to represent ASEAN

[@chrish2312]

Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is a very wiseman. Any sensible world leader will pay attention to his God given wisdom. And the world will be a far better place if they do.

[@kolviczd6885]

What many in Asia can't understand, especially in Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and Philippines is that - the Rivalry between US and China is not necessarily between US and China alone, or between Democracy and Authoritarianism, it is a much more bigger rivalry than that. It is a rivalry between the collective west led by USA against a raising but disarray Asia led by China. It's a rivalry between western supremacy, cultural and economic dominance against a rising Asia who are trying to exert its cultural and economic legitimacy in a world that has been dominated and manipulated by the western imperialist for centuries now. In other words, it's a clash between the imperialist West (15% of the world) against the rest of the world, not only Asia (85% of the world). Unfortunately, most people in Taiwan, S.Korea, Japan and Philippines believes otherwise. They think China is all evil and USA is the God who is on a mission to save the world from evil like what Jesus did in 1st century.. I don't know who is going to tell them that they are living in a delusional world..!! America is using them as launchpad to deter Asia from raising, not only China. They are enabling the west to control Asia and belittled Asia, not realizing they themselves are Asian too. We need to wake up these puppets in Asia to come back to sense and understand the real motives of the west in Asia.

[@hongqi5734]

You are spot on.

[@jaaydenhuynh]

You are 100% correct! Case in point, look a what happened to the rise and fall of the economy of Japan after the influence of US.

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

We do not think that the USA is god but we know that China is evil and it does not give any leadership to Asia because of its imperialistic policy. The USA is also imperialist. Thus it is not a choice between good and evil but between two devils. The only angel is now Russia. Unfortunately the West is anti-Russian as well.

[@robertgittings8662]

They knows ...they just do not want to fight just want to choose the easy path and eat the dangling candy and betrays whenever they see a candy or a compliment (especially Japan) a concept of united, strong Asia is foreign to them even the US destroyed their economy one by one especially Japan's.*

[@robertgittings8662]

*They knows (in fact everybody knows) ...they just do not want to fight nor take risks, just want to choose the easy path and eat the dangling candy and betrays whenever they see a candy or a compliment (especially Japan) a concept of united, strong Asia is foreign to them even the US destroyed their economy one by one especially Japan's.*

[@samueljohnson8244]

Thank you for this interview.

[@christwg07]

He is a highly respectable person. Very smart & knowledgeable

[@bwmrtham5730]

Best speed ever.... Dr Mahbubani with love and respect. This is the most to be alive to witness the changes and shifting ...

[@BLee-hl5vb]

I gladly stumble into this program and find it with deep thinking and easy to understand concepts. Shall watch endgames again.

[@leo96119611]

That is absolutely correct as Kishore mentioned the dragon being provoked yet the Asean leaders keeping mum eventually affected Asia region.

[@JJ-iu6sr]

When Kishore mentioned about unwise asians making an angry dragon...I immediately think about Philippines.

[@bartholomewsitoh7492]

It's like Kishores explanation for Israel - kissing america toes is driven out of the country's leader Hes in the pocket of america

[@JAwashini]

look at how greedy china is, they should leave the west philippines sea, follow international law, not china's own law., sure no trouble will happen..,

[@JAwashini]

look at how greedy china is, they should leave the west philippines sea, follow international law, not china's own law., sure no trouble will happen..

[@JAwashini]

look at how greedy china is, they should leave the west philippines sea, follow international law, not china's own law., sure no trouble will happen..

[@gezhang-nu2vv]

Philippines were used to be US' colony, so the mindset was influenced by US long time ago . So Philippines are easily exploited by US. As the frontline sentinel of the United States, this is not good for ASEAN as a whole

[@AvantAveGarde]

this is a great talk, the US really might follow down the path of the Soviet Union...

[@AbuShivaToyib]

Yes on theway

[@enkaiscott]

Communism does not have to be authoritarian and all authoritarianism is not communist. The USA is not becoming like the Soviet Union. The USA will reveal itself if the Neocons continue to control it into a Fascist state. Remember it is the USA that was inspiration for Hitlers Germany, with its racism and such. After all those are not laurels on the walls of Congress.

[@TacticalMayo]

No, we won't. We'll follow down the path of the video game. Fallout by Bethesda. But in real life.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@AbuShivaToyibnonsense

[@AdeboiX]

US empire is falling apart ​@@TacticalMayo

[@Hello-sb6qe]

This is the man that will never make me bored just like LKY

[@sebastiank9175]

totally agreed , only more asian countries have intelligent people like them!

[@mkbestmaan]

Salamat po. Ang ganda! Mabuhay from Cebu, Philippines. It would be great to learn many languages (prioritizing Asian languages, of course)-truly spiritual, truly Asian. Our diversity is truly a divine gift.

[@teardrop720]

Excellent discussion. Loved the level-headed, no-nonsense, yet optimistic geo political analysis of Western, Chinese, and Asean countries.

[@axli13]

A man who truly understands the word peace for win win benefits rather than confrontation that weaken both nations but benefitted war harbinger nation that are standing at the side line.

[@JK-ix8zi]

No matter what is claimed. China is part of the region forever while US is a visitor who can leave at any time. Philippines calculation about it's relationship with the US is deeply flawed, overly optimistic and short term.

[@tommytankkify]

He was humble recently by his own party about China! I do not trust him! Watchout Philippine!

[@casablanca2778]

Philippines is doom like his uncle sam. Filipino lick his US ass and balls

[@sensiblysimple6428]

​@@tommytankkify We don't need another lap dog of US barking 😂

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

Well, they elected the son of the tyrant that robbed them blind, so that this son can get access to his daddy's wealth in exchange for allowing the Philippines to be reoccupied by the colonizers that had historically been painstakingly pushed out. So, basically, without Duterte to hold the ranks for them, the Philippines went backwards.

[@B100085]

Then what should the Philippines do?? China would not back down. Now their drawing become 10 dash line.. LOL

[@HyperionLogic]

Mr. Mahbubani is an excellent scholar of international relations. Thank you for interviewing this visionary.

[@jaytso1883]

The Dragon was rudely woken in 1900 by the Eight Nations Alliance poking it in the eyes. She was then subjected to a century of humiliation before she is able to assert herself as she has today.

[@henryng9406]

And China will never be humiliated again. You can take that to the bank. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳👍👍👍

[@jaytso1883]

@henryng9406 to be accurate, part of the humiliation was self-inflicted by way of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.

[@XaiVaj-g8m]

When you're military weak, other will poke your eyes and stole from you. The Asian future is never a guarantee.

[@fargr5926]

@@jaytso1883have you thought about the root cause of the chaos in the initial years of PRC? The root cause of extreme communist ideology? BTW, Chinese don’t count those years in the humiliation century.

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

The Century of Humiliation started in 1839 with the First Opium War and ended in the year 1949 when the PRC was established.

[@riyanprasetya8865]

Prof Kishore, I'm a fan... much love from Indonesia 😊

[@BGMMalaysia]

Very intelligent and highly articulated discussion.❤

[@graceruntuwenee]

stellar episode, can't stop thinking about it

[@junardirusly1455]

Saya bangga dan salut sama Pak Gita Wirjawan membuat Endgame Podcast semakin bermutu tinggi dan sudah tingkat International, sangat bermanfaat 👍👍👍🙏

[@armageddon87]

seen alot of interviews for mr kishore. by far i feel this interview with gita wirjawan is by far i felt the most subtle and calm way for us to accept both the questions posted and answers given, although mr kishore's answers are pretty much consistent throughout all his interviews worldwide. i feel mr gita is an extremely respectful interviewer. doesnt post his views in his questioning or trick. good job and well done.

[@jasonjean2901]

Kishore was actually incorrect when he commented on the 9-dash line. When the Republic of China government filed the original 11-dash line with the United Nations in 1946, there was not a single objection from any country. Consequently, when the People's Republic of China was founded in 1949, they simply adopted the 11-dash line as it was China's internationally recognized boundary and it was undisputed. The disputes came decades afterwards when newly independent countries began making overlapping claims with China's 11-dash line. As such, China is not responsible for the conflicting claims and disputes over the 9-dash line. ASEAN, which Kishore promotes so heavily, needs to reflect on the actual history of these disputes, rather than simply placing the blame on China.

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

Agreed.

[@seenyip757]

Absolutely. He is cherry picking and not divulging the complete truth.. Picking on parts to justify his misinformation to put it mildly

[@ed1003]

Also, he did not understand China-Vietnam history either.

[@stevenliew2507]

​@@ed1003Please let us know more of the history between Vietnam and China with historical facts and proof and not just hearsay or your own opinion. Tq🙏🙏

[@stevenliew2507]

​@@seenyip757Would you mind providing us who knows nothing much about your views since none of us readers here were born in 1946 . Tq🙏🙏

[@TaupikHidayaat]

kishore's views are enlightening, great episode

[@les8518]

Undoubtably he would be one of the wisest and interesting men I have ever listened too. For me to see what the future holds is: Asia, which includes New Zealand and Australia. There is no other way .

[@frieda7692]

Kishore is really wise man👍👍

[@westwoodly]

A wise man from Singapore. Kishore is always so clear and profound in this thought. ASEAN will remain a beacon of peace (not withstanding the civil war in member state Myanmar) as long as there is consensus building and neutrality. Perhaps Kishore could ponder on what if Indonesia - the largest country with the largest economy and largest population - becomes more powerful? Will it become more assertive like China? Remember who gave the title of "little red dot" to Singapore? When forest fires and burning from Indonesia polluted the whole region with haze, the "little red dot" was chided for being "childish" and "tizzy". Will Indonesia do a China and claim the Sulu Sea or Straits of Malacca? Or take more control of their airspace? Indonesia still has territorial disputes with member countries. ASEAN members need the assurances when Indonesia becomes more wealthy and powerful.

[@Candra2020]

Sepertinya indonesia telah lama bersabar dengan adik2nya bahkan dengan adik yg nakal sekalipun.

[@AndySampee]

definitely worth the watch. So much wisdom 📚🙌

[@roystonling5115]

I thought historically, China has always had ownership of the islands except when they were taken over by Japan. It was resolved after the war that China will gain back it's territories. No one will give up its islands and besides there are natural resources in the seas. But really he make so much sense that it is so enjoyable to listen

[@westwoodly]

Kishore has wisely pointed out that China should try to resolve the problem it has created in the South China Sea. It should discuss with the claimant Southeast Asian nations how to share or use the sea and resources rather than claim the sea, atolls and islands belong to them. China is dragging its feet over the Code of Conduct for the South China Sea. Indonesia should play a more active role to resolve the problem for ASEAN without antagonising China.

[@lvjinbin28]

Today, PRC Beijing claims a 9-dash line, and ROC Taiwan claims an 11-dash line. Because ROC claimed the South China Sea Islands in 1945, The US gave warships to the ROC navy, so Chinese could control Taiping Island, Thitu Island, Triton Island, and Woody Island in 1946, then The Kuomintang government (KMT) in Nanjing drew an 11-dash line in 1947 with the acquiescence of the West and the Soviet Union, At that time, all Southeast Asian countries were Western colonies, and no one objected, so the Chinese believe this is the order of World War II. Why did the West let ROC take over and control the South China Sea islands after the Japanese troops withdrew? Because ROC was the only Asian country that persisted in resisting Japan to the end, all Southeast Asian countries and colonial armies surrendered in 1942, KMT/CCP eliminated more fascists by paying huge casualties, so South China Sea was given to the Chinese as spoils of war by the international community. PRC government inherited ROC government's all claim after Chinese Civil War 1949,

[@lvjinbin28]

@@westwoodly Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty Article 2 It is recognized under Treaty of Peace with Japan signed at the city of San Francisco, Japan has renounced all right, title and claim to Taiwan and Penghu as well as Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands. Therefore, from a Chinese perspective, this is the order of World War II that Beijing and Taiwan believe is the reward given by the United States and the Soviet Union to the Chinese for their contribution to the war. Taiwan is too weak today and very pro-American, so Taiwan is no longer active in advocating for the 11-dash line claim in ROC constitution. China is too strong today, so the United States can use this controversy to divide the relationship between China and Southeast Asia. Of course China knows this, so China's response is to adopt a relaxed attitude towards pro-China countries and a tough approach towards pro-American countries. For example, Mao Zedong gave Bach Long Vi island to Ho Chi Minh in 1957, Therefore, the 11-dash line of the PRC has since become a 9-dash line. Mao Zedong must have never imagined that the Viet Cong would claim the Paracel Islands after reunification, and would even become pro-American today. Xi Jinping granted Duterte fishing rights and stopped the militarization of Scarborough Shoal. Xi Jinping gave Jokowi the high-speed railway, also basically giving up the EEZ claim in Natuna. Xi Jinping no longer harasses the islands occupied by Malaysia and has greatly reduced pressure on Vietnam. China now only targets pro-American Marcos. For Southeast Asian countries, we must remember the role of the CCP in the previous three Indochina wars. The CCP retaliated against the pro-French state of Vietnam, the pro-American South Vietnam, and the pro-Soviet Viet Cong. If today’s Viet Cong becomes pro-American again, then Vietnam will become another South Vietnam, because it is impossible to rely on other superpowers to contain, intimidate and pressure the CCP. As long as you are closer to China, China will be more generous to its friends. This is like the United States to Canada. In fact, the United States and Canada also have territorial disputes, but will the United States be generous to Cuba?

[@ly8370]

@@westwoodly you need to watch more of Kishore's lectures to get informed. Haha.

[@ly8370]

@@lvjinbin28 Thanks for providing the evidence of the 11-dash/9-dash line. I am surprised that the esteemed Kishore does not know about it. The 11-dash was endorsed by both West and USSR, and later 2-dash lines were given to Vietnam as a gift, which Vietnam still insists on claiming more dash lines from China today.

[@OctaviaLarasatii]

multi-layered insights on global politics 👏

[@peace4future865]

30:14, totally agreed. People, especially in the US, have forgotten that there will be no winner in a nuclear war.

[@appdev4861]

One of the few open, informative and sane podcasts available now. Prof Kishore's views were very factual and unbiased and the discussion output some great points like marketing of achievements, proacrive approach to be taken by asian govts, usage of AI..Liked it

[@HappyDT]

When Kishore talked about Asians keeping quiet about the angry dragon, we must not forget that the CIA/NED operatives in the highest level of government in Singapore like Ng Eng Hean and Kaushik Bilahari whose anti-China stance and rhetorics are very influential in shaping Singapore's foreign policy.

[@jeffrey7cp992]

Kishore is very objective, impaired and project his views very well, my hat to Kishore👍👍👍👍👍

[@jameslabua9095]

Like it or not, Prof.Kishore Mahubani were still no:1 geopolitical analysts to be discovered..till now. About most all political, countries and globally instability to dangerously horribly thinking of "some world 🌎 leaders". Sad to hear..think and felt.Of course, Admitted!😢

[@BestFitSquareChannel]

Brilliant conversation. Thank you Mr. Mahbubani . Thank you Mr. Wirjawan. I have immersed myself in conversations/talks by Mr Mahbubani. Each superb. My perspective is deepened, broadened, strengthened with each. A privilege. I have also listened to several "Endgame" conversation. Thoughtful, informative, authentic. Thank you Mr. Wirjawan. Best wishes.

[@nattyswede]

Another great episode!

[@gathotsupriono]

Full with geo-political learning, experiences, knowledge, with the hope for the world to learn from ASEAN as a solid and peaceful regent❤

[@mdcerah]

Si vis Pacem Para Bellum "Tiada Kedamaian sebelum Peperangan"

[@SitiPadmiwati]

kishore's insights are always gold

[@sword7872]

Great interview, loved your questions and interview style!

[@StefaniPoputra]

kishore always nails it! Pure insights

[@WilwalBerkatsejahtera]

Why is east asia has no such like ASEAN? Maybe because china is too big alone, and for the history, korea, mongolia, sometimes japan is a tributary country to china. And also china alone is fusion of east Asian ancient country. Even some part of korea peninsula has been a china dynasty territory for hundreds of year.

[@nancinyols8015]

Great point!!

[@herryso6238]

Because Korea Japan are on high horse. They look down chinese people and disappointed to see how China has became from its glorified years in the past into sick man of asia. With the rise of China, now the western propaganda has infiltrated education system and news in Japan Korea even ROC to see china as threat. Only when all countries PRC ROC Both Korea Japan and Vietnam follow what Confucian teaching, then they can find peace and live in harmony Unfortunately the west will not let this happen.

[@jademoon1530]

South East Asian countries were also tributary countries to China. No organization like ASEAN in NE Asia is not because of China being too big. It is because of 20th century history. Japan's violent and cruel invasion of Korea/China; Japan becoming vassal of US after defeat in WWII (no sovereignty - so many US military bases all over Japan); US interference in the Koreas and Taiwan - too much disharmony created amongst these nations.

[@bagong1945]

My humble opinion. English is considered as standard of education grades. So those who are poor in English will feel inferior and likely to bow and say yes to the west. This includes Germany as well.

[@bagong1945]

West read US

[@fauzimaulanna]

kishore's perspective is eye-opening! 🌏👏

[@sguntarto]

Kishore Mahbubani advocates for Southeast Asia and ASEAN to reject Western pessimism and instead focus on fostering optimism and strategic competence to secure a peaceful and prosperous future. He criticizes the West's geopolitical incompetence, citing conflicts like those in Ukraine and Gaza as examples of the failure to adapt to a changing multipolar world. He argues that the rising tensions between the US and China, particularly the attempt to hinder China's growth, are unwise and counterproductive. He calls for constructive engagement between these powers to maintain global stability. Additionally, he emphasizes the need to reform and strengthen multilateral institutions, such as the UN Security Council, to make them more inclusive and reflective of current global realities. He also highlights ASEAN's role in maintaining regional peace, urging its members, particularly Indonesia, to take on more assertive leadership roles and promote the ASEAN model of cooperation to other regions.

[@prabuddhachaudhuri2478]

What an enlightening conversation!! Thank you.

[@jeffery-r1l]

Ukraine abd Gaza wars benefit Blackrock Blackstone Military industrial complex and Wallstreet but not American People and other countries people. Scary

[@DavidWinderlich1]

Such clarity and wisdom. I hope policymakers everywhere are paying attention.

[@shashwattripathi4559]

Kishore ji, I am a strong skeptic, a detractor as you call it but i must give you credit for being a great original thinker. Your point of making up for colonization by giving India its seat is a fantastically unique, brilliant idea that i wish i had thought of. Whether its realistic, i do not know but it sure is brilliant. 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@mapletibits6372]

I do think in that regard it is very reasonable one but realistically I doubt UK will relinquish their seat in the most power international organization.

[@AKumar-co7oe]

I kind of disagree with him that India is unambiguously the 3rd most powerful country already on all fronts, economically we will be there in a year or two, militarily we lack a lot of domestic high tech manufacturing - but yes the writing is on the wall and by 2030 I think it will be obvious. I also think France is stronger than he acknowledges due to its neocolonial hold on french africa

[@HTeo-og1lg]

A phenomenal interview by 2 ASEAN geo-political, (and thought) thinkers. Kudos to the host of this episode.

[@MashhoodKhan-x4w]

The guy is supposed to be a Singaporean but really at heart he is just an Indian. He celebrates Asia's rise but befriends, and has sympathy for, a colonial enterprise like Israel. Maybe because he doesn't like Muslims?

[@dtangosingadc7000]

stupid remark. I return the favour to u. U r just really an Asian hater

[@JefryManopo]

can't wait to hear this discussion

[@charlesyang4923]

With the overwhelming military power today around east coast of Pacific, I do NOT think China will allow, neither will US and US allies will dare, to enter into military conflicts with China anywhere near China including Taiwan and Philippines in SE Asia. The truth is the first and foremost stability and peace of Taiwan and SE Asia is well protected by China today and beyond.

[@FedericoGrimaudo]

Wonderful conversation!! Forza Eurasia from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇩🇮🇳🇨🇳🇪🇺

[@MAR-lt7xo]

Kishore Mahbubani is a brilliant mind and a global asset. I wonder how he will add to the global community if he is Secretary General of the UN. I have a lot of respect for his views and writings. In fact, he is a symbol of optimism and hope for global communities in these chaotic times everywhere. Wish him and his family well from his birthplace Sindh-Pakistan.

[@solpalanpalani7206]

He was born and educated in Singapore coming from a humble Sindhi family of Indian origin. A career diplomat who has turned to academics now and he should be picked up as a Senior Minister in the Singapore cabinet due to his vast international knowledge and experience.

[@SitiPadmiwati]

kishore's wisdom shines through the talk

[@shokivarma7134]

America has more than 750 military bases all around the world, and many in the South China sea. What are they doing there. - Ensuring peace with their gun boats, as was the role played by British in the last century.

[@ly8370]

US is the son of British, same ancestry and DNA.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

​@@ly8370The Europeans are all the same. We lust for violence and power!

[@PatricRumate]

love this breakdown on U.S. and Asia relations

[@indranasution01]

Pak Gita, sgt berterimakasih atas suguhan podcast yang sgt mahal ini. menumbuhkan kesadaran akan potensi Indonesia dan ASEAN umumnya memberi untuk dunia. Sangat relevan pula dgn mimpi narator yg lbh byk dr Indonesia dgn bantuan AI td. Maka perlu pula warga Indonesia melihat mode zoom out, bhwa keseharian yang kita lalui sebenernya sgt lah mahal dan bernilai. Perlu pula membangun rasa percaya diri kita sebagai bangsa, tanpa harus menjadi angkuh/sombong. layaknya paradokikal yang disampaikan Prof. Kishore. Musyawarah mufakat, bhinneka tunggal ika, bahkan 5 sila yang kita pedomani, sedikit byk menjadi dasar pula pada nilai2 yang dianut ASEAN ketika mendirikannya. Semoga ada kegiatan dan rancangan besar pada 2027 ketika 60 tahun ASEAN nnti. we wish you Pak Gita. Thank you.

[@dindaawidyastuti]

kishore always delivers great insights! 💡

[@ribeirojorge5064]

The Universe is Not a Hierarchical Pyramid of Mathematic Quantities The Universe is a Holarchic Sphere of Spheres of Consciousness Qualities The Beauty of Timeless and Formless Consciousness Shines in the Form in Time ❤️ 💚 💜

[@KenlyNendur]

insightful AF. Everyone needs this!📚

[@guansingchew6396]

Fantastic truth talk😊

[@teowkweechua1338]

All the craps. BS

[@c.m.mandsons1931]

so wise ..Mr. Kishore.. i love this guy!

[@teogeorge2203]

Are the Western nations especially US and UK listening to this?

[@mjmf1430]

Unfortunately not, they only talk, and want others to listen to them.

[@Unknown-tw2qc]

​@@mjmf1430they're NATO (No Action Talk Only)

[@marktan3177]

UK is irrelevant. No one cares whether they listen or not.

[@redatticus7606]

Even if they do, they are too dumb to understand the logics.

[@surotno9967]

Of course not.

[@manwdashade]

Love Kishore's wisdom!

[@yonggeorgeyinsoon5411]

Love to see more interviews like this🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Abaddonian-sz3lo]

I am mesmerized by that shirt . 😄

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[@Mg13-18]

Thank you Professor for giving us some valuable insights, much appreciated.

[@geoff9858]

North East Asia has something that South East Asia do not have....Unfortunately, Marcos has invited the "something" into the ASEAN region. AMERICAN BASES

[@TaupikHidayaat]

kishore's analysis is on point! 🎯