12 inch Tom drum head shootout/comparison. 2/2 (17 heads - Remo, Attack, Evans) PART II

[@paulsalonikas3625]

It is so good we can listen these comparsions, it is very helpful. Thank you!

[@hunterbladen2806]

People like you make the world a better place.

[@eliasarroyo4929]

Remo vintage ambassador for me. I have it on my supraphonic and is amazing. 🔥

[@Mao-max454]

Thank you for making good movies on KZbin all the time.

[@jonnykk1]

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Really helpful

[@dinospumoni5611]

It's interesting how the G1 and Ambassador sound basically the same, while the G2 and Emperor sound very different. They must have different manufacturing methods/designs with multi-ply heads. Clear Emperor is my favorite of all these heads, incredible attack and a really hefty, deep tone.

[@Assimilator702]

Remo uses a superior film compared to the one Evans uses. The Remo film resonates at a lower frequency and has a longer sustain. Compare the sounds by tapping a Remo Hazy Amabassador followed by an Evans 300 snareside. The Evans is crinkly sounding with a short sustain while the Remo has a breathy low frequency resonance and more sustain.

[@austinshoupe3003]

@@Assimilator702 film might have something to do with it but I'm doubtful. Most companies are using films commonly called "mylar" with different formulations for different models. Remo gets to use the stuff made by Dupont. Evans uses a similar films made by a different company. The hazy heads aren't comparable to clear even within a single company. Evans stopped using hazy films a while ago to add even more uncertainty to everything. The bigger difference is going to be collars and flesh hoops. As far as the whole tap test thing, Aquarian made that their whole marketing approach a while back. It's relatively meaningless as you are going to drastically change the shape of the head and tension on the film as you tune it up. "Superior" is just a silly term in this context. I use Evans for kit and Remo for most everything else. Except I favor Evans snare sides for orchestral and Remo snare sides for kit. And I prefer Evans for concert toms. I've also moved to having various concert snare batters like the Aquarian vintage heads and various hide brands. Remo generally has more film variations and overall a more colorful sound that is easily overplayed (probably because of the old school hoop channel and collar shapes). Evans are typically tougher and warmer and handle heavier beating better (except for their Onyx and EC2M heads). I'm really loving the clarity of the Aquarian heads I've gotten lately which is probably more to do with the ridiculously heavy flesh hoops. Also noticed in this video the Attack heads had a ton of depth and their hoops are literally a steel hoop crimped into an aluminum channel. They have to weigh a ton. It just feels silly to claim it's all in the film company to company when they are all basically using the same stuff with different variations for different models.

[@Assimilator702]

@@austinshoupe3003 The film that Dupont provides to Remo is a proprietary formula only sold to Remo according to my sources who is in the percussion industry. People have different preferences. I can use Evans for toms and bass drums but Remo for snares. While it can be argued that the "tap test" is pointlessbI do notice a difference in Remo reso heads on snares vs Evans.

[@austinshoupe3003]

@@Assimilator702 the whole proprietary film thing has a grain of truth to it: Remo is partially owned by Dupont. So they are one of the few companies who can use the Mylar trademark (Attack also used it for their "Royal" heads for a while). But at the end of the day, I think you wildly overestimate how different the films are between companies. Mylar is just a trade name for certain polyester films. It's like saying it makes a difference having Kleenex instead of facial tissues. There is a much bigger variety in hoops, collars, and assembly than the materials used. Guarantee you your tap test deal is a construction quirk rather than a film quirk. Evans purposely has a very flexible collar design these days. The heads generally all got a lot more "plastiky" sounding pre installation when they made that change. That being said, they do install a lot nicer with fewer issues and quirks since that update.

[@Assimilator702]

@@austinshoupe3003 I do like the way the Evans 360 heads sit on my drums a bit better. I just feel the snares especially feel flat and plasticky with Evans and I don’t hear that with Remo. Not sure if the 2022 Tama snares have up to date Evans heads but of the three brand new Tama snares I purchased this year, the Evans reso heads all had that plastic film sound when tapped and that less damped sound when tensioned on the drum. It could very well be the lack of HAZY films that Evans stopped using.

[@tobiyarbrough5239]

i'd like to hear the Evans UV series in here.

[@lanceschultz7132]

Ecs and powerstrokes as well

[@jamescassidy4045]

Any idea why the vintage coated Amb's sounded so dark, and muffled? The Amb coated's were fine, and the Emp Vintage Coated's were fine.

[@dmitryshkolnik5233]

Jee, what's wrong with all those attacks?

[@krusher74]

So many of them have a horrible buzzy overtone. Is it the drum? it was not as apparent in part 1

[@tonymilone5458]

Great comparison! Thank you!

[@truthissuffering]

Excellent video… Thank you!

[@georgebirddrums]

man this is great, this stuff is so useful and so rarely done as well as you've done it here. lil aquarian next time would be ace!

[@krusher74]

This is what the head companies should be doing on their websites, but instead, they try to describe it in words!!!

[@northland..]

i liked the fiberskin. & clear vintage remo emporer

[@okaight7248]

I feel like I love how an Emperor sounds on its own, but in a mix it just has a harsh CHK CHK CHK sound that's annoying and hard to control.

[@Drummerpocket]

Evans G1 coated and clear both had the best stick definition as their G2 counterparts and had just the right amount of sustain....

[@thomastucker5686]

I like the G1clear the best, the Attack sounds pasticy with some off overtones.

[@RReid]

I just put coated vintage emperors on my drums and can’t believe how much better they sound to me

[@waltheisenberg7626]

Thanks! Please add Aquarian next time instead of Attack. No one uses Attack.

[@aaronraulston6248]

I wouldve probably done this shootout with a slightly higher tuning… maybe 160…. Just to where none of the heads would have the paper-y fizz, but would still be able to hear the nuiances of each head

[@p.diddle]

Exactly my thought as well. The differences in sound of the heads at low tuning are not clear enough. The papery-fizz sound you hear - is that on the thicker ply heads? The added weight on the thicker ply heads make them vibrate slower and adds what I would describe as a growly sound. This effect becomes more expressed at lower tunings and also appears when the resonant head is tuned too low.

[@danlc95]

Same

[@VertigoGTI]

Is that what I’m hearing on the Attack 1s? I als most wondered if it was clipping the mic

[@danlc95]

​@@VertigoGTI - It's from being more concerned with frequency continuity than how each brand of head likes to sit on the drum. Some heads need more tension to sound "right" than others. Generally, if a head is producing a fizzy sound, there are areas where the film and the edge are not in proper contact with one another.

[@Monsterdrumma]

I just prefer Remo to everything else after that I do like and think Attack are super underrated!

[@salbolini1559]

Thanks....Your tuning is perfect...! great video....really get to hear each tom with a no-nonsense straight-up approach. What's your Tune Bot tuning for 13 16 18 toms? Would love to hear them!

[@giuliocarmassi]

Cheers! I found for me personally, these are the best tunings: 10" 196-258 / 12" 147-193 / 13" 139-182 / 16^ 87-145 / 14" snare 247-392. 22" bass drum 65-78.

[@joshthomas8885]

2:44 - emperor coated 2:05 - emperor clear

[@leeasbury7273]

Super awesome 👌!

[@MrRezRising]

Where were you in 1985 when I really needed you?

[@ratpiss9004]

Use the remo ambassador ebony as a resso head

[@VoltajeRecordsPeru]

nice attack of the remo ambassador ebony

[@marcgendron2077]

The Remo Emperor Coated are best in this recording

[@TempoDrift1480]

Thank you for the no bullshit.

[@morgunstyles7253]

I think the first thing id do is get a better stand.

[@anomalyp8584]

The single ply heads sounded better for this tom than the multiply ones.

[@MeTuLHeD]

The Attack Royal 2 Coated has a strong fundamental and greatly reduced overtones. I'll bet it would be great for recording.

[@ilikemusic76]

sorry but can‘t help myself 🤓The tom tuned in that way sound for every single head combination like total crap. Please give it at least a half screw turn more🙏.

[@danlc95]

Too much tune bot, not enough ear?

[@francescorecupero2180]

Remo has definitely more life in it

[@ashrasmun1]

For me Evans G1 sound the best. No fizzling, no weird additional noises, just straight to the point.

[@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866]

those overtones are the secret sauce!!

[@drocha7237]

04:10 05:27

[@AVenged13m]

this is killer man thx a lot . but audio comes a bit to the right ear, can you put the mic on so that it comes closer to the center next time? plz , but dont artifiacially do it in the daw

[@HornManish]

Although I'm an endorsee of Evans G2s, the Attack Royal 2 Coated has the edge here, less unwanted undertones like the rest of them.

[@C0zyDunt]

All the Attack heads appeared to sound better to me.

[@francescorecupero2180]

I will give Calftone a chanche

[@ccdrums1290]

Evans heads sound like poo. Remo for the win, especially clear Ambassador and coated Emp. The more I hear Evans heads in comparisons the less I like them.

[@ashrasmun1]

You mean Remo Emperor Coated? 5:48? Lmao. It fizzles all the time.

[@lateralus8123]

Remo's ring too much. Bleh!

[@marsilanse_8156]

The emperor 5:48 is horrible

[@SagaContinu]

@@marsilanse_8156 Yep I was confused why my tom sounded like this. It's tuned too low for this head type

[@dilankarun9172]

I like the Coated Amb's, but the Coated Emps sounded better to me too. I didn't like any of the Evans. Sorry. Attack was the winner lol.

[@ВладимирМашышкин]

Attack ... 👎

[@Szeiker]

G1 coated