Give Me an Answer -

[@azzo3050]

The initial question/analogy is brilliant, but so is Cliffe's answer. I believe God gave him wisdom on the spot there.

[@FollowingChrist44]

I'm still watching the video here... This student has simply made a decision in his heart to reject The Lord, and is simply trying to "stump" Brother Cliffe. Brother Cliffe was nice enough to speak with this gentleman as long as he has been.

[@KiwiChristian]

Well done Cliffe. I really enjoy this young atheist philosopher and I will explore his point further about "God's experience of time" i feel it is a very valid argument. Cliffe handled it well and assuming the by the way Cliffe spoke he had not experienced this line of thought either.

[@benhollingsworth4378]

I love these ones where you can tell the person is just trying to set some scenario up where they can trap cliff. You can always tell the ones that are trying to do this just by their tone of voice and questioning.

[@NaNa-nu9sf]

I genuinely love GOD ( I AM THAT I AM ) in the name of JESUS! Thank You for free will!

[@ddhardial]

The good old days when there was no Covid19 nor social distancing.

[@MrT9822]

Yes siiiiir

[@jfeeney5622]

God bless you Cliffe

[@jessee5650]

well, we Christians know what to do ... band together and PRAY for our brothers and sisters who have gone astray ... God loves ALL and God is GOOD!!

[@mystwolfe7791]

The young man just explained God but didn’t realize it when he talks about determinism and yet free will in his life. God does know everything so does He know tomorrow? Yes. Does He cause us to do? No. Though He knows what we are going to do does not reduce our free choice to do tomorrow what God already knows we will do.

[@honestly_7724]

Cliff had a good example before as well, just because you watch a movie twice and know what the characters are going to do and say, doesn't mean you are forcing or controlling their actions.

[@vvakos]

I'm drawing a picture in 2D right now, and listening to this conversation, and just began to think, that because I'm 3 D, I cannot understand what am I drawing in 2D. :-)

[@JasonAndOwen]

lol its so funny when they say yeah u still didnt answer... then they ask the same question, and he gives the same answer in a different fashion

[@autry33]

@BenTeer1 I disagree. Cliffe told the student that no one can understand the concept of "time" and how it relates to God. It is beyond understanding or even learning. It has nothing to do with how much Cliffe "knows''. You can't expect Cliffe or anyone for that matter to explain it. The student raised great points but ultimately how can you explain something outside of knowledge?

[@bulletg3203]

Where is this taking place at.. adress?!?!??!

[@autry33]

@BenTeer1 All in all, great points raised by the student.

[@brendantibs1217]

This dude just stumped Cliffe. HaHaHaHa.

[@Chrisstian111]

God goes through time with us even though he knows the beginning and the end Too much for us to comprehend.

[@Siscast]

I think regarding God's perspective outside of time, a more fitting view would be that God knows every possibility throughout human history for every type of choice available for all creation. That's how big God is. And God knows that possibility and future and intricacies and ripples of what would happen if I marry this person, or I decide to make a wrong choice, etc versus, making the right choice and living under God's will.

[@jj-vf7wm]

How would you know what’s God’s will in the choices you mentioned?

[@Siscast]

@@jj-vf7wm by being in relationship with the Holy Spirit. Asking God and Jesus, and letting Him answer you. Also by actively surrendering in prayer all the choices you make to Jesus.

[@NOWABO]

Yes, but being all-knowing would also mean God can see exactly which of those infinite branches will eventually play out, so the rest are pretty useless. Then again, I suppose it would also be possible for God to literally change the course of history, even from his perspective. But wait... if God is outside of time, then it is impossible for Him to "change" what he will do. Because then you would have to say "before, God was going to do this, but now, God is going to do this." That in itself implies time.

[@Siscast]

@@NOWABO so is it useless for you to make a choice of following Jesus or not?

[@NOWABO]

@@Siscast No, I am a Christian, I just think the idea of being outside of time is very interesting to think about.

[@redlinegw]

"When a person refuses to come to Christ it is never just because of lack of evidence or because of intellectual difficulties: at root, he refuses to come because he willingly ignores and rejects the drawing of God's Spirit on his heart. No one in the final analysis really fails to become a Christian because of lack of arguments; he fails to become a Christian because he loves darkness rather than light and wants nothing to do with God." WLC"

[@ugo_freeman]

It’s always the bell ringing at random times for me.

[@Skylerrelyks93]

This kid is very intelligent. I hope he finds Jesus.

[@1godonlyone119]

I love the way Cliffe dismissed this confused, moronic little punk at the end. LOL He should have dismissed him a whole lot sooner! LOL

[@NOWABO]

Sir, just because you didn't understand the views he attempted to explain, does not mean he is a moronic punk.

[@LargeFootedLad]

how are these numbered?

[@Brucev7]

Amen

[@angelbrother1238]

The student is simply wrong about determinism in that your decisions don’t have to be determined by the causes that lead you to the here and now . You can always choose to reject that path and simply change the effect at any moment . For example he said he needs to turn his paper in tomorrow . He simply can reject that and not turn in the paper tomorrow . Plus he rejects nihilism because he doesn’t understand that ultimately meaningless pieces of meat cannot give meaning to themselves or other ultimately meaningless pieces of meat .

[@brnt034]

God is omnipotent and all powerful and sovereign. He knows the future and everything that will happen to you before it happens. HE IS GOD!!! Therefore, God knew in advance that Eve would eat the apple and created the circumstances for her to make that choice. It has always been HIS plan since the Foundations of the World. Period. Evil is necessary to understand good.

[@techgamer8]

I’m 6 years late, but your comment is absolutely true! Obviously God is Omnipotent.

[@dogelife7901]

Jesus confirmed it.

[@BibleSamurai]

i would have told this kid to explain to me what it means to live in 10 dimensions. He wouldn't be able to. No one is. So if you can't articulate a 10 dimensional reality, how do think you understand God's existence outside of our 4 dimensional reality (length, widht, height, time).

[@dperkins01]

How do you know and that still doesnt answer his questions.

[@Brucev7]

I disagree with your 2nd point. Pastor is speaking to the fact that God is outside time, He transcends. His perspective. He knows, He observes, He creates. "Cause and effect." That is order. We can not see, physically Gravity. We see the effects of it's force. Pulling, holding objects.

[@octaneswagg]

The first guy did not use his brain 😂😂😂😂 he was trying to make cliff look like a fool but he was the one that look like a fool at the end of the day

[@levimalone4433]

I dont know I think cliffe really struggled with this guys great point. I would of loved to hear cliffe answer his first point but he couldnt.

[@octaneswagg]

@@levimalone4433 not true I don’t agree just because u know what someone is about to do is not u forcing them or telling someone to do that

[@levimalone4433]

@@octaneswagg my point is just that cliffe didnt handle the question well. And the young guy articulated himself very well and made the argument better than anyone else I've ever seen do it.

[@octaneswagg]

@@levimalone4433 the point is this everyone is responsible for what they do u got free will ur not gods puppet yes he know what u going to do because he knows the future that dose not mean he’s making u do it or forcing sir that is what free will is u choose he don’t have to chose to do this or that but god knows what he’s going to choose that don’t put god at fault

[@octaneswagg]

@@levimalone4433 so if I leave 50k dollars in front of u and u take it and I knew u was going to that that means I made u do it or forced u to do it ??? Just because I know u going to take it ??? No sir That line of thinking is just a easy way out for people to not take responsibility for they own actions

[@mystwolfe7791]

We knew better and sinned anyway

[@katiehrobelko4572]

Hi Cliff, Would God as the Holy Spirit experience time?

[@jamielouis4506]

Katie Hrobelko I assume yes. Because of the Pentecost.

[@JohnjOcampo]

Jesus is God in human form so yes God has expereinced time.

[@1godonlyone119]

To the determinist: After examining all the relevant data, I freely chose to come to the conclusion, based on the relevant data, that I have free will. Did you come to the conclusion that you have no free will: (a) freely and based on the relevant data, or (b) pre-determinedly, by factors other than your free will _cum_ the relevant data? If (a), then you have free will. If (b), then your conclusion is unrelated to the relevant data and therefore cannot be considered reliable.

[@bluepacman13]

+1GodOnlyOne Exactly, nicely put.

[@thywillbedone3334]

He had some good ideas this kid.. But I'm always confused when cliffe asks, what are you living for almost everyone starts to stumble and stutter.. And if they don't they say something like , I'm living for myself and or continue to ramble for ages contradicting there own beliefs by trying to be god by being omnipresent in a way that they believe in all beliefs.

[@aleciafinlayson6386]

This will cause them to see they're really vin the red n hopefully they will question their way forward

[@dperkins01]

I think people live for different things at different points in their lives. Kids live to play with friends or their favorite shows. Teens are totally different. Adults are even more complicated.

[@dogelife7901]

Essentially they are living "as if ". As if there is right and wrong and purpose, but only when it's convenient. Whenever lust or greed or selfishness get involved then wrong becomes subjective very quickly.

[@IBenZik]

@7:22, this kid is arguing minutia. He can't understand how God can be out of time and see it all at the same time.

[@dogelife7901]

For being so eloquent he totally misses the God part of God. It's always a heart not a head issue.

[@swamislocal1]

It simply means God isn't confined to linear forward time as we are. His perspective allows Him to see all directions from all angles. And yes He is experiencing time right now since His spirit is living and dwelling in the lives of His people. Nice try with your mind game.

[@ZeroShift5000]

This poor kid pretty much admits be believes in no God not because it is rational but because he has been determined to believe in no God then believes in he is somehow rational enough to understand that, he is stuck in a self refuting loop of illogic.

[@dperkins01]

Poor kid is 10 times smarter than you but criticize.

[@russellkumar1177]

we have a free will but in the end your will must conform to God's will. u only know God through Jesus his son. see www.gotquestions.org

[@Zynedify]

I understand what the guy is saying. He’s saying there’s no past, present or future to God so there is no “right now”. The Bible never touches on this but I’d like to believe (even tho I’ll never understand in my finite body & mind) that God is all knowing in the sense of knowing the future that hasn’t occurred yet while being intact with the present day of existence (November 2023 for me).

[@gmh1206]

@TheRedEleven Harsh though I agree there is a definite whiff of intellectual smugness in his arguments. I thought his explanation for free will as being only due to a cascade of other causes was pretty ordinary. Sure his lecturer set an assignment because he is employed by the university, but he still got to choose the wording of questions. Cliff could have hammered him on this but he let him get away unscathed.

[@IBenZik]

God can not make a square circle, he can't make a rock so big he can't move it.

[@dogelife7901]

He IS goodness. The sins of the world will be washed away and all made new. But all according to the timeline that has been set in place in response to humans breaking their connection with him.

[@333onlyhalfbad]

@Siscast thats how I have allways thought of it

[@splodgeapologetics]

this guy is desperately trying to put God in a box but God is not limited and this guy is trying to put limitations on him so that he can sound cleverer than God, isn't that what Lucifer the devil does and has been dong since the garden of Eden.

[@jonnyy4088]

Very smart man but God told Abraham he'd have to wait 400 years for his seed to inhabit a land.There are a lot of instances of God knowing time and acting as if the progression of it from our perspective was real and legitimate.He's trying to talk himself out of Jesus and that's very sad.Hopefully by now he's had a chance to reassess.

[@ServantofGOD__]

I cringe when Cliff says God cannot do anything... 🤯😵 He’s truly got to change that perspective

[@ddhardial]

He means God cannot do what is logically impossible. Eg. God cannot make a one ended stick, or 2 + 2 = 5. That's what he means God cannot.

[@ServantofGOD__]

@@ddhardial I know exactly what he means. I still disagree and cringe. An omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, sovereign, benevolent God most certainly is outside of time, space, matter AND logic. The first caused cause who is eternal is far beyond our understanding. Our own finite understanding of anything GOD cannot state what he can and can’t do. Maybe one... in his holiness, judgeship and truth he cannot contradict himself.

[@ddhardial]

@@ServantofGOD__ even the Bible tells us "God cannot".

[@ServantofGOD__]

@@ddhardial please provide scripture. I am fully aware of what cannot do... he cannot he tempted by evil, he cannot contradict himself. I am curious to understand your perspective, and an open to any form of edification. As of now, Cliff is wrong on this.

[@ddhardial]

@@ServantofGOD__ Titus 1 vs 2 an James 1 vs 13.

[@UnPoeteMaudit]

Someone still believes in absolute determinism after the development of quantum theory? Isn't that sweet.

[@fidelespiritu2110]

too smart for heaven this guy (Romans 1:22) , hoping he'll have enough time to reconsider . . .

[@333onlyhalfbad]

@LargeFootedLad no one knows, its one of lifes mysteries

[@rbrack54]

This is where I say that I love Cliffe, but because he believes in free will he will always gets stuck on what this guy is saying. I have seen it stump him before. I wonder if Cliffe has ever debated free will? Would love to see that one.

[@JohnjOcampo]

The gift of free will opens up the possibility of suffrage, a lot of kids have a problem with that because their hearts are hardened and can't see the love behind it.

[@MoralDecay]

one fallacy, Cliffe just referenced to Genesis 1:1... but in other videos he refers to it as just in a poet way and not a literal way ... I love Cliffe ... But we disagree on the creation ... I believe Genesis as literal... It is the foundation of the rest of the Bible.

[@hotice8885]

I am pretty sure Cliffe was talking about the _flow_ of the book of Genesis, when he spoke of it as being poetic. I understood this to be an answer to those who question the order of events in the book.

[@JazzAUPH]

You don't even know what the objective of his argument(s).

[@mackdmara]

Time God created time & even given God is outside of time, he understands how it works & is the cause of each moment being. Time exists because God created it to exist & sustains it. To then claim that it has already happened from God's perspective is ludicrous! That is a temporal statement. 'has happened', is past tense. God is in a now. Has happened & will happen would be empty. I don't believe God sits outside of time in that sense, but accept a duel existance. He is both in time & outside of it. God has both & thus, given what Cliffe said, this kid is wrong. Given what I said, what that kid said was a distinction you could not make about God. I think he wants to be right more than he wants to understand the concept. Given God is this way, his objection falls flat.

[@dperkins01]

You can't just take a word and make up your own meaning. Cliff danced around that line of questioning.

[@boilermankamajii]

He didn’t though. He said that God is not the “typical” or “standard” definition of omnipotence. People often slap the term “omnipotent” to God when it’s not true. Cliffe has said countless times that God chooses to limit his power.

[@bigtxsdude]

you can’t use the definition of words for Man & GOD as the same …why, because Man is flesh, GOD is Spirit

[@dperkins01]

@@boilermankamajii How does he know how old adam and eve were? Cliffe could not define the word omnipotent so he muddies the water with the limit his power thing. I have watched this man lose every debate he was in.

[@dogelife7901]

If God is always good can he make good bad?

[@JohnjOcampo]

​​​@@dogelife7901you sure can, you were given a free will with a conscious which is basically a moral compass. You really truly believe that the rapist thinks his act of rape is morally correct? They wilfully choose to go against that which is good and evil will not win.

[@mikhailyaremkiv]

Seems like these kids just pick a hobby called philosophy and parrot true philosophers to seem intelligent in the subject not using their own minds.

[@KingtheGreat82]

Sheesh this kid’s thinking is painful

[@dperkins01]

Cliffe doesnt know what he is saying, we finally agree.

[@normanjoy6390]

This boy has a very good point. But you both are forgetting that the holy spirit is with us now , therefore God is still a part of time.

[@PGBurgess]

The student makes a pretty decent case and representation for a compatible determanistic worldview (min 15-20), no matter what your believes are. The pathetic attemp to preach over - and cut away at the end by Cliffe should get him banned from any debate.

[@_the_watcher_2089]

Jesus said that others would come in his name pretending to be him, that would be a Antichrist the opposite of the true Jesus. the Antichrist would teach differently than the true Jesus at Times in the Bible Jesus clearly tells us, to worship only his God Jesus even says my God & your God. Than in a few places mostly in Ambiguous ways, Jesus or others are saying worship Jesus his God. So if Jesus tells us others will come after him claiming to be him than we need to be careful what we believe, we should check scripture. like the torah the very same scripture that Jesus studied from and taught others, if anything doesn’t match those teachings than we know it’s a false teaching. The true Jesus was a jewish preacher/prophet that taught from the Torah, anything Beyond that I don’t believe the true Jesus would say. like I’m God and so on thats the anti-Christ who wants to get others to worship the beast and its image the image of a man. This is just one small reason why I left christianity, in the same Bible in different gospels you have Jesus saying he has a God than you have he is God than goes to a Trinity that was decided by man over time. I just could no longer Worship a man as God or apart of God, but I do believe Jesus was sent by God but just like all the other prophets that came before him.

[@JohnWilliams-pk7ci]

Poor Cliffe.....this young man reduced him to complete incoherence jibberish.......Cliffe is just not the brightest

[@dogelife7901]

The kid says a lot of words but not many actual arguments. Putting God inside a box and then asking the same question over even after being answered three times isn't exactly bright.

[@XOX-ZOMBIE-XOX]

Is this man be bedazzled? No wonder he is confused.

[@salvenezia1817]

How does cliff believe in millions of years. More like 6-7 thousand years old earth.

[@scottm4042]

Some Christians like John Lennox believe there may be a gap between verses 2, and 3, and that there may be millions of years in between. We don't know for sure, we just go by the Bible. God could have created us in millions of years, or in six days, or one day. He could have given the planet a time, so it appeared like it was billions of years old, but did it in a day. Adam, He created in one day, but He gave him an age, like maybe 18. So, Adam appeared like he had lived longer than one day. We don't know for sure, we were not there. It should not throw off our belief in God, and the reliability of Scripture.

[@dogelife7901]

All that matters is Jesus and belief in him. Following the science of how God created everything is interesting. This is a stumbling block to many, but for others is an amazing testament to the mystery and power of God's design and creativity.

[@salvenezia1817]

I know it is thousands not millions or billions. Those number were created by satan to give us the illusion that over time a cell could slowly form into a fish then a human over time. Science proves the Bible and literal 6000 year old birth. Through genealogies and carbon 14 data. Newtons 3rd law also proves everything runs down and there can’t be that much time. Noah’s flood proves it also

[@1godonlyone119]

You can blame the parents for the actions of the kids, yeah, until they turn 18. Then it's all their responsibility. Conversely, God never has any duties or responsibilities. This kid is just trying to pawn off his duties, responsibilities, and sins onto God, but it simply doesn't fly. Even if the world in which you live is not perfect, that does not by any means indicate that God could somehow be imperfect. In fact, he is perfect.

[@RomanHastati]

this kid obviously doesn't understand the concept of "Middle Knowledge". He has probably spent a lot of time trying to articulate this objection when in reality he could have been shaken off like a flea with 2 words. read up kid.

[@1godonlyone119]

Subscribed! =)

[@dperkins01]

Cliffe is a joke, this kid is so much smarter than Cliffe. Cliffe just makes empty assertions without evidence. Cliffe disagrees but doesn't know why he disagrees lol.

[@dogelife7901]

This kid couldn't understand how God could exist both in and out of time simultaneously.... for one.

[@dperkins01]

@@dogelife7901 How can you know what exist outside of Time?

[@FollowingChrist44]

Yes, "poor kid"... Indoctrinated by silly open-mindedness which essentially leads to mindless, useless, irrational and illogical thinking. He thinks by demonstrating how incomprehensible God is will ultimately refute His existence. Sad, wow.

[@dperkins01]

Maybe he can think for himself, hard for you to grasp that concept.

[@dogelife7901]

He's young and on the right track. It's hard for an atheist to admit they don't know everything.