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[@thomgrlisdebra]

To be truthful, I remember thinking like this young man when I was his age. I truly believe as we attempt to live out this argument, we discover absolute truth and become grateful for how we become anchored by absolute truth! Praise God for His great wisdom!

[@rawlespringer3917]

so glad how respectful and nice that agnostic kid was. Made me happy when he hugged Cliffe at the end.

[@rbrack54]

I love watching Cliffe's face shine when his son his up on the chopping block. It is wonderful to know your children are safe in the loving arms of Christ.

[@Aaronllll]

Cliffes patience alone is evidence that God exists.

[@xpinkangelx5910]

Aaron Walker Lol

[@hanzoftexas618]

Lol good one

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

Haha. 😂. God bless you.

[@jrc99us]

I had the pleasure of meeting Cliffe in person at his church in New Canaan, CT at the Christmas Eve service of 2017. I told him that I am amazed by his patience he displays in his vids. His reply, "So am I!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@PE1978C]

Hi Cliffe, would you please visit some campuses in Georgia also? God bless you!

[@tylersalazar7124]

I really look forward to these episodes, may God bless this ministry and this channel.

[@EmbracingTeReoMaori]

Just cracked open a gingerbeer and put the feet up...

[@drew2fast489]

kellygthatsme Ooooh! I gotta try a ginger beer. That sounds good.

[@stevelovesgod]

Make sure it's ICE COLD., Birch Beer good as well

[@Jameskmn]

Thank you for another great video Pastor Cliffe. I enjoy watching the dialogue.

[@will95515]

I pray that kid makes one heck of a Christian apologist one day.

[@D1sc0rd-]

12:30 proud father in the background 😁

[@MusicByCAB316]

NEW EPISODE YAY!!!!!

[@thepherm]

Thank you!

[@fernandop1]

*FOUR SCIENTIFIC RULES WHY GOD MUST EXIST:* 1.- Everything that has an end, had a beginning. Life (in this universe) has an end and therefore had a beginning; therefore “life within this universe and its confines” can't be eternal. 2.- Science demonstrates that life begets life and intelligence comes from intelligence behind, there are no scientific reasons to assume otherwise (at least a superior intelligence source creates it). 3.- Nature can't create itself by natural processes before nature exists, therefore it has to be someone above nature that creates nature (supernatural). Is like trying to create myself before I even exist, it has to be someone before me that creates me. 4.- Nothingness can't exist before someone does, therefore it must be someone eternally always existing (outside of this universe as point #1 explain). You can't reach an infinite regression in which it was nothing and then something. -Why someone and not something? Because of #2 -Why supernatural? Because of #3 -Why eternal? Because of #4 -Why this universe can't be eternal instead? Because of #1 & #2 respectively. Whoever believes otherwise, then they have more faith than I do.

[@bonnie43uk]

Hi Juan, isn't it an honest answer to say "We don't know" when it comes to how life began? Of course you are free to claim that God spoke it into existence. But it seems the more we learn about the Universe .. the sheer size of it, 95% of it we have yet to discover, the more questions it raises. What you and I call 'nothing' is not the same as what a physicist would call 'nothing', an empty box to you and me contains nothing, but to a physicist, that same box contains many things that are beyond my comprehension, atoms, protons, quarks, how much do you understand about quarks?, I freely admit, I know absolutely nothing about such things. To me anyway, it seems quite presumptuous to claim for certain that it was the work of the Christian God. If nothing can come from nothing, then where did God himself come from?, to say "God has always been there" is sheer conjecture, you cannot prove such a thing. The God of the bible seems to have a lot of very human qualities, anger, jealousy, pride, which leads me to suggest he came from the imagination of early humans. They made him in their image. He seems to enjoy the smell of burnt meat.. that is another clue to his creation.

[@bonnie43uk]

Well, we know light is formed by the Sun, and as our planet rotates away from the Sun we are then in darkness for 12 hours or so. The other thing you quote "I make peace and create evil" is a rather strange and ambiguous thing to say... why would a loving God knowingly create evil?

[@PGBurgess]

1. no scientist claims live within this universe didn't have a beginning... you 'rule' is basicly that things "that have an end, can't be eternal"... which is pretty much the definition, and thus demonstrates nothing.. (the real questions might be: does 'evertyhing need a beginning?" or "does everything with a beginning need an end?3 ;... 2. "life begets life " - "intelligence comes from intelligence" .. i don't think that is a scientific concensus, it seems most scientist seem to disagree with that.. it's not a rule if you can define your god as an exception to it... you can't have it both ways. 3. it is, as far as i know, unddemonstrated to claim that 'natural processes' have 'begun" at some point. I think both sides agree on the fact that there must be 'something' or 'some process' beyond what we can observe with our universe. The main problem wih 'supernatural' explanations here is, that they don't actually explain anything about that process.. it is in its core just an appeal to 'magic' to explain the trick 4. "Nothingness can't exist before someone does" i don't get that? can nothingness exists at all? isn't that a contradiction?

[@jordandyal4129]

@@bonnie43uk If God is Good. Evil is a natural effect from Good... God is Good. And because he is. anything that is not of God. is evil. Hence God creates the darkness.. Because if Good didn't exist. Evil wouldn't... Vice versa

[@charlespollock2018]

@@bonnie43uk let me just interject a bit those characteristics you listed all come from God we were made in his likeness and image so we are like him not him like us

[@davidjo4209]

very good~ thanks for the upload

[@AndoMD]

Cliff why didn’t you appeal to the external world? It may have been a good idea of to ask him if he can prove the external world exists without appealing to experience. Or to prove that he’s not a brain in a vat without appealing to experience. He’d realize that it is foolish to question our experience unless we have defeaters for it.

[@lenchochurrito5003]

proceeds to speak in same tone after saying he was going try and talk loudly lol

[@TheTriplelman]

This kid just wants to elevate himself with arguing in his ignorance it's just youthful rebellion

[@MegaNerd117]

My favorite channel. (:

[@Brucev7]

This way :)

[@cliffordsy4249]

The kid says its obvious that murder and rape is kinda universal. How can you know its universal when its all relative?

[@170221dn]

Empathy. Although as a Christian killing witches and children and people who work is objectively moral. Explain why you deny that!!

[@cliffordsy4249]

so is empathy universal?

[@oldgordo61]

A good question.. if we simply exist in a completely impersonal. unfeeling absolutely ammoral indifferent reality then empathy is utterly a meaningless irrelevent concept we humans create to make our existence somewhat meaningful in an effort to make ourselves feel better. As atheists keep telling me we're just accidental by[products of evolution the atoms in our bodies cooked inside the cores of dead uncaring stars..we;re not special in the grand cosmic scheme of things..so let's make the most of life however brief it will be..however the atheist has to deal with the logical conclusion that his/her worldview can only lead to nihilism. But very few of us regardless of beliefs can live that out.

[@cliffordsy4249]

The mere fact you choose to reply proves that you have free will. Unless of course that the universe programmed your atoms to respond to the very exacting question. Then i for one would be very bummed out for talking to a robot.

[@oldgordo61]

Exactly that.s why I cannot ascribe to atheism. Nihilism is the end conclusion to atheism.

[@davidplummer2473]

This kid doesn't see how he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. He concedes that all cultures agree on certain moral absolutes but still says morality is still relative.

[@praisefisher]

Does anyone know the other episode he was in? Or at least the episode cliff mentioned his 4 types of evidence!

[@victoranderson2868]

2023 ❤

[@zeraphking1407]

Differences in opinion of what morality is, does not negate the existence of objective morality.

[@jamesgrosso4372]

Poor kid.

[@dannylinc6247]

To think you imagine reality about morality today for yourself and everyone thinks so, naturally, Is to deny history. Without the values of "judeo christian" beliefs, For the basis of common law, our society would not be what this kid saw growing up. We are not the only culture and it's different to other people's. This is why the apostles travelled and tried to bring the story of Christ and the Way to distant lands. Once a people listen and think, the church is started, the Greek text is brought to them, they translate, they check themselves. They're imperfect, sure, but receive the core of those values and precepts. Unfortunately, most of the apostles were martyred after succeeding in delivering it. Christians are who Mr agnostic has to thank for his "natural morality". Our existence, What we call intelligent design, to be present without an intention, for it to come together and exist, grow and improve by itself would take so many attempts and arrangements that the evidence we can dig up would contain those half formed or part changed organisms in various states of partial change. They have tried. Darwin said it needed to be discovered before his theory had real merit. Others continued to add ideas to his work.his theory. The attempts in numerous places had yielded the "Cambrian era explosion". They have not yielded transitory life forms and no examples of ordered life changing from one kind to another. Yes dominant traits are more successful and those organisms survive while the ones with the previous combination of traits that were less successful die off and don't reproduce. At least not enough to continue, so they are no longer present. But these stories of imagination of plants becoming people or fish becoming people have no evidence. If you look some of these up, you find it's what they're teaching young people. They use words like probably, most likely, and it takes hundreds of millions of years. In what's buried, we find what once was. It's not there the way they say, and to keep lying about it is dumb. Stephen Meier I believe is the name of the latest videos you can watch to hear mankinds current results for data, what it has to mean, and how science proves change of kind did not occur, but a vast array of organisms appeared in one era. They haven't "evolved" to change what kind they are. A pacaderm you find in the ice is a pacaderm You find adapted And different today. But it's still a pacaderm. Many organisms that were quite large are smaller now. But they're still the same kind. A dragon today walks around hunting like a crocodile with fire chemistry in it's mouth. What was it ages ago? You'll say there's no such thing. That's a made up story. Yet you can visit an island today where it lives. You have to pay alot for permits, and people who visit the creatures get run down and eaten. So few witnesses. Use your computer.. my nephew's became stiff necked and screamed at me and ran out of the room becoming uncommunicative when I tried to show them today's dragons. They go to these schools, religious or non religious, they're both lacking the experience and the real knowledge of what truly is and what truly was. Time to rewrite science textbooks again, and again and again. God is the same. Yesterday, today, and forever. Some of the evidence proves man tried to manipulate the information several times. Most, in fact 99 and 4/5 Of 1 percent of text is without textual variant. You can find out on veritas forum. I did when bullies tried to keep telling me I'm stupid to believe the holy bible. I found out their bull facts are only part true and the oldest text fragments date back to before the time they think. The creed and the hymns predate that. And St. Paul. Who was just a few years after the resurrection. He received his gospel from Simon peter, James the just and St. John the other major author in the new testament. Its also true the leaders and scribes manipulated the work that went west. It's a good thing so many cultures translated and copied the early works so we can use the various forms to have a corrected text today. Look up a verse on Google son time. See how many versions translated still contain the same info.

[@aznation4592]

Ears they have but do not hear 👂

[@seanodonnell429]

Kid makes the claim that the Nuremberg trial argument was simply based on a moral that most people in the world agree with. In other words, morality is relative, but there are some morals that are of higher importance because “most people agree with them”. He glosses over that is if it’s nothing. How is it that most people in the world throughout human history would agree that, for example, murder is wrong, if there wasn’t some underlying objective truth that makes it a reality? Does our collective agreement make it a moral reality? Or does its objective existence, made so by God, make itself self-evident to all of us? It’s a kind of a chicken or the egg type argument. However, you cannot convince me that all human beings just conveniently agree together that murder is wrong if it isn’t objectively true.

[@devinashby4670]

This deserved a like

[@ifunanya24]

The emotional aspect of the REVELATION that God exists and gives you value.. Is OVERWHELMING. Not your money, not your job, not your body, no..its God that gives you so much value. You look for evidence that God exists..go to source historical documents. You see the evidence, you feel the evidence. You put it all together and BAM! you found God 😃 🙏🏽 life is good.

[@PGBurgess]

to me, the overwheming feeling of value i get out of my work, the rewards from that work, my health, the relationships i build, ... is more than good enough. it makes my life good! no god needed to pretend it is more extraordanary and beautifull as it actually already is...

[@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024]

@@PGBurgess If you're satisfied with life being good for a finite amount of time, to subsequently never have another iota of experience for the rest of eternity, then... If that is the case, then I'm not sure how someone feels that way. Life being good, I regard that as the very reason why *not* to be okay with it being finite. You say your life is good, and so my question is, how can you be okay with a good thing that not only comes to an end, but that comes to an end so end-ly so as to never have the possibility of resuming?

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@PGBurgessi don't see how 80 years in a really old universe is considered a good life if there is no God.

[@richsuga]

This kid's ego outpaces his ability to develop and articulate his position.

[@zeraphking1407]

You don't HAVE to have God. He's the best explanation.

[@CuauhtemocVasquez-ld8cn]

The lawa above the law that Kliff is talking about is called Natural Law or Common Law. It's based on God-given human rights.

[@nikkoval8490]

First guy really think he’s smart. God will humble him one day

[@zeraphking1407]

Morality is determined by majority opinion?

[@LightningStriker1]

I'm not a Christian but this kid was very stubborn more than anything I mean his evidence for his experience was just as if not as good as cliffs just on the notion he was automatically against the Christian view it's really strange

[@ifunanya24]

So he asked how emotional experience is evidence of God. Then said he doesn't believe emotions are evidence. Ok. Nobody can show an experience. We're not Vulcan.. Can't do a mind meld... So his experiences and emotions are not evidence. He may experience love but according to him .. His experience of love is not evidence that he loves. Okay....

[@twelvedozen5075]

4:45

[@shameisnotwelcomehere3069]

To better your life: is that not the point of searching for the meaning of life? When you have a philosophy or religion that helps people become kinder, more peaceful, more grounded in reality, more secure and honest while also helping them take responsibility for their sinful actions (which is a hard thing to do in this day and age) how can you still say there's no evidence for the validity of that philosophy? One of the main reasons that people have a life philosophy or religion is to improve upon their lives. Once you find a religion that accomplishes this, you have your evidence of why you should follow that religion. This kid literally said that it doesn't even matter which is philosophy is empty and sad that this is not true but it's not true. If I follow a life philosophy or religion which leaves me empty and sad I'm going to assume that it is not leading me to truth. He is literally willing to live an empty and sad life in order to run from God.i

[@levimalone4433]

Am sorry but cliffe and steven completely missed the young man's point on the emotional experiential evidence.

[@tennis5126]

The first kid doesn't even know what he was spouting. The poster boy of cognitive dissonance. It's evident that he trying very hard to prove to himself there is no absolutes.

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

[@johnnyappleseed5029]

Isn't it amazing the lengths an atheist will go to and the fancifully fallacious arguments they will craft to "disprove" the simple, logical truth. This young man literally "can't see the forest for the trees".

[@seanodonnell429]

This kid was falling into the classic atheistic trap of holding science and empiricism as an idol. In other words, the only things that are true are those things that can be empirically proven through scientific methods. However, there are things in this world that are very real, for example happiness, love, and other abstract emotions/ideas, that cannot be measures empirically or proven through science. The evidence of their existence only comes through experience. The same thing goes for the grace of God and Jesus Christ. They cannot be scientifically proven or measured. They can only be experienced. However, those that experience the grace of God and Jesus Christ very much know the truth of Their existence.

[@mackdmara]

What he said is show me results. They say Christianity gives results. He then said, results don't prove it true. No, but they are evidence that a God centered mindset is practically valuable. At least he knows belief in God is psychologically better, even given it is false. Thus, he should do that for his own benefit. It leaves you closer to Jordan Peterson than a believer, but that was a losing point. We know belief in God helps. The fact it helps suggests it is true. Evidence, not proof. Still, there is evidence there that it is more likely true.

[@bonnie43uk]

At 16:35 Stuart asks how does an atheist/agnostic deal with suffering. I think from an atheist perspective suffering is a natural unfortunate part of life. Suffering also comes in many forms, we know that natural disasters cause immense suffering, re: the recent Hurricanes in the Caribbean or the earthquake in Mexico. But there are also many aspects of suffering that are of man's own doing, war, crime,etc, this has nothing to do with any kind of biblical 'fall of man', I think it's harder to explain suffering from a Christian perspective, ie, why does God allow babies to suffer and die? From an atheist perspective it's simply that life is cruel, even more so in the natural world where every day is a matter of life or death. Thankfully there are many things we can do to prevent bad things happening, we can cure sick babies which not so long ago would definitely die.. many times in actual childbirth, along with the mother.

[@bonnie43uk]

Heh, not sure what you mean, but ok :-)

[@mesanto1977]

We suffer because God allows it. Didn't Jesus come and suffer along with us? Jesus told us we all will suffer in this world. The question is not why we suffer but what do we get out of suffering? Is there an opportunity to learn/discover something? I believe there is based on my experience. If someone is a naturalist I would ask why hasn't evolution defeated the grave? Evolution needs life to survive but we're on the brink of extinction, so billions of years of evolution hasn't been able to right the ship so to speak.

[@c.6818]

From Christian perspective life can be cruel as well...

[@bonnie43uk]

@Manajack, well, from my position i certainly don't see any evidence of an 'all good' God.

[@j2mfp78]

bonnie43uk What is "cruel"and "bad" in your world? You make it seem as if life is'nt living up to a certain standard. Bad compared to what? If this is the only world you know and believe exist what are you comparing it to that makes you feel its not perfect.

[@aznation4592]

GOD is the only answer smh 🤦‍♂️ this kid

[@koubl]

this guy is silly.

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

It's actually fun for me to watch this lost soul ("I'm agnostic" prove it) SLITHER. He is determined to misunderstand with his limited logic. Committing to anything can be scary and committing to the GOoD has demands that many aren't willing to meet. Though the rewards are HUGE. If Cliffe and Stewart let go of trying too hard to convince they'll be more effective. Understand these students with the spirit of the serpent know that Cliffe emotionally wants to convert them and they use that as a weapon against him.

[@x-menbioforce6336]

“Fun to watch a lost soul slither”? That’s a weird thing to say. Whatever spirit that’s inside you isn’t the spirit of Christ. There’s no enjoyment in watching someone who’s soul is lost. It should break your heart and have a desire for him to wake up and see Gods grace and glory

[@170221dn]

Wromng Cliffe. You claim that "if morality is relative you can not be outraged about date rate or the abuse of a child." This is so wrong and you know it. You would have to say "if morality is relative AND YOU HAVE NO EMPATHY you can not be outraged about date rate or the abuse of a child." Whats more if you are proposing that the god of the bible is the objectivre morality giver then how can you condemn abuse of a child in all circumstances?

[@Brucev7]

Incorrect. Relativity is arbitrary. You just made an absolute statement. A fallacy.

[@170221dn]

Brucev7 "Incorrect. Relativity is arbitrary. You just made an absolute statement. A fallacy. " Absolute rubbish. How on earth is me having a morality that is not absolute make it abitrary. I said quote clearly it comes from empathy NOT a whim. Definition empathy: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. Nothing to do with abitrariness. And what do you mean my statement was absolute, it is in no way absolute in the context of absolute morality. It was an honest opinion and your childish attempt at word games diminish it in niow ay whatsoever. Please prove clearly why my startement is a fallacy.

[@Brucev7]

Your spinning all over the place

[@170221dn]

Brucev7 "Your spinning all over the place " I thought so. No real answer when challenged.

[@PGBurgess]

indeed, i like to compare it with the strict physical idea of relativity (just as an analogy). i would be like einstein made the argument that "since space-time positions are relative ... who's to say whether to object really are going to smash...". just because thing are fundamentally depending on a certain point of view, doesn't mean "all opinions are equal", nor that one cannot make sensible, objective statements about them