Giving Up On An Art Career - Tips For Artists

[@johnbrockiii]

Again, your timing is kind of creepy. I was literally thinking "maybe I should just quit and join the military or something" when this video came out. Coincidentally, I received an album cover commission during the course of watching the video. I don't know what kind of strange force is at work here, but I really like it and I love your energy. I've been watching you guys for a few months and just want to say that you guys have probably the most useful art channel on KZbin. Thank you so much for your work, Rafi and Klee. ❤

[@truseeker1]

The universal energies are on your side dude, you’re aligning with your purpose. Keep going 🙌

[@triciak1402]

I am a woman who is in recovery. I have always felt like I’m an artist, but didn’t think i was very good. Well i finally gave in and listened to people who told me that i was very talented. I have been to hell and back and now i choose to explore my art. I want to be able to make a couple bucks from my art. I feel like its the right time. I mean, just a few months ago i barely wanted to have a life. But i have found that art is my life. Art is the thing that makes me happy. I just wanted to tell you guys that you have given me so much hope. Thank you for that gift. Sending love from Philadelphia 💚

[@georgewallace6525]

First, any any business start up, you have to watch overhead. Make hard cuts where ever you can. There is no reason to handicap your business start up with crazy debt. Second, don't worry about your audience. Honestly unless you are selling gender and age specific items then there is no possible way to identify who will respond to your work. If you want to get people to pay attention, give them something to look at. You can work in whatever medium and subject you choose, but if you are not producing work that pushes the normal, you will become background noise. No one wants more background noise. As an artist you don't have the choice to give up. This profession is not like others, it is in your blood. You will create if you are selling or not. If money is your reason for creating, then yes you may want to look at other options. If you are going to be creating, why not share. There are thousands of ways to make it as an artist. Until you have tried those there is no reason to give up. I posted work over and over, followed all the experts. Still I sold nothing. My daughter shows up. Says her gaming community would love my work and boom I have regular orders. Not from the gaming community, but that was the start. Look for opportunities. Listen for ideas. Stay open. Get yourself a plan and make it happen.

[@BarbrajoanOriginals]

You guys are the best. Creative, adorable , funny, and very smart. You two are meant for each other and that’s why it still works after 10 long, hard years. You love what you do, and you love and respect each other. I’m now 83, and I’ve painted and created since forever. I’ve done local and tri state shows, won awards, sold my art. No I never became famous, but that never stopped me from painting. Making art didn’t fill my purse, but it filled my heart. Tallahassee, Florida

[@paulhayes2758]

Barbra Joan I just wanted to say that I love your message/post, I really hope your heart is forever full to bursting!

[@karij8113]

Your comment “but it filled my heart” totally touched my heart!!! Thanks for the perspective Barbra Joan!! ❤️

[@crystalheart9]

Yes, same here. I've sold tons of art but never made a living at it. It was my peaceful time and the joy it brought to people.

[@lisaoconnellshine2819]

if I stop the passion keeps burning within me

[@shadowartist8892]

It takes 2 to 3 years to get any business off the ground. I've done it twice. Recognition takes that long to develop.

[@kg2937]

You both have a beautiful spirit. All of your videos are so positive & encouraging. ❤

[@Rafiwashere]

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@bluefish4580]

I’ve been an artist -firstly a jeweller, then a move into sculptor and for the last five years I’ve concentrated on creating as a painter. This lot has spanned over thirty years and I have considered quitting on a few occasions, even recently. I’ve never really made enough money and I don’t mean mega bucks, I mean basic and frugal. But each time I have thought of quitting, something has happened to take my path a bit further. I can not think of not creating. I’d be losing something so fundamental to my being that life would become numb and pointless. Thanks for sharing your wisdom guys. There are times when we need to hear this, even after a lifetime in the art world.

[@motherofpearl9430]

Well shoot, here I was thinking this video was going to convince me to give up. But now I got determined to continue creating my big eyed characters 🖤 Thanks Rafi and Klee 🖤

[@susanjeffrey9947]

I felt like giving up, you have just made me cry rafi, but in a good way. I’m older than you and Klee, I have given up on art in my past , I’m sick of trying on Etsy have that up for the same reasons you did, on print on demand, no sales as yet but hopeful, I work hard but feel as though my art is hard, sold 9 prints in 12 months but no originals. Family laugh at my art journey , I’m to old to get a job but nitro old for art it makes me happy, love you and klees inspirational videos, thanks so much, love it when Ralfi, says we artist are awesome, we are , love you both, you are ducking awesome , I also love furchucking my day, liol you both cheer me up so much. Art is hard at times. But so bloody worth it in the end. It’s awesome to create.

[@gabrielguillen5072]

I'm going to be 62 years old tomorrow and I decided that when I grow up I'm going to be a professional artist. Time is irrelevant! " Live as if you will die tomorrow Learn as if you will live forever ".. Mahatma Gandhi

[@HarmonyGoddessAstrology]

OMG I needed this talk so badly today! Thank you for being real and sharing your actual experience. I have taken online marketing courses for artists, I just started a new one last month. My art is very strongly in a niche, even so I think it will take me another 3-5 years to replace my previous full time income, and I started in 2017.

[@NancyMcCurry]

First, Klee, I love your hair. Rafi, again, both of you are so comforting to listen to. Thanks for being a true friend to us and offering great and relevant content right from the heart. We love you guys.

[@mjpete27]

I started my art “career” doing anything that brought me money, I had a professional camera (Nikon F2) yes old but it took great pictures of my work. Yet having a camera I was asked about senior portraits and so I took them! Little League? Sure I can do that! I have done just about every thing that you can think of! I just wanted to create paintings and I did what it took to keep going! You guys create wonderful videos and I thank you for your content!!!

[@fabiancurto6484]

The world is a better place thank to artists. You guys were brutally honest and I appreciate that a lot ! I like it when you said that “art is not a product “ . But in other hand we have to sell that “product” to pay the bills . that ambiguity drives me nuts . All the artists we have one thing in common and that is Love and we express that love creating art . Thank you guys !

[@FreedomsRealm]

You are both so flipping inspiring!!!!! I am not at a place where I was feeling like giving up on the art career, but I am looking for different ways to attract the beautiful weirdos who are into my art and facebook ads are probably not where I am going to find them. It is so nice to hear that we are not limited to one way of having this adventure. And it is so true that I would be choosing to create art no matter what, so I may as well follow where that leads. I do live a laughable frugal life, but that is okay. Other than my own personal adventure, I think the goal with my art is for people to love themselves a little bit more and feel lighter and more curious after interacting with the art. That is so fun. I do believe that the art will support itself an me at some point, but I have found that I can't push that or it hurts the creativity or the time I spend daydreaming, which is a vital part of my process. I just love being here in your circle and listening to you both talk about art-life and reading everyone's comments. It helps my hermit self stay connected. I notice you always have one thumbs down person. I find that so funny. Perhaps we should find out who it is and send them happy cards so they can lighten up and enjoy their life.

[@janetgomes2322]

I got halfway through your message and thought "hang on, did I write this?". I even went back and checked the name. Nope, not me, but someone feeling and living the same life as me. I salute you and wish you great happiness. Keep creating, keep daydreaming to access the inspiration and enjoy the peace of solitude.

[@ivonep8166]

Wow, such kind words so much needed in the times we’re in at moment, guys you’re awesome , stay safe♥️🌻🇬🇧

[@NachiFREE]

Wow, how refreshing to hear such similar paths of art careers. I'm learning to not mull over, let alone beat myself up over my past "failures" and numerous projects, which I can't help but now see as life lessons. Best of luck to you guys, and thanks for the reassuring words of wisdom.

[@lalyalvarado8381]

KJ thankyou for that question because I needed to hear that. Klee and Rafi I love you 💕 I will not give up

[@zacharyhorvath3615]

I think this is a very important message, and it’s one that I’ve thought of a lot, especially since Covid hit and the career I was starting to get into (tattooing) was swept away from me (for the time being). I love to draw, and have always loved to draw. When I was 24 I wound up homeless due to a drug addiction. I lived in a tent for 2 years and some change. My only aspirations were to make enough money for dope. However, I still would draw, because I loved the process and the challenge. I even ended up selling my panhandling signs on several occasions! Thankfully I cleaned up my act in 2017, and have been able to really devote myself to honing my craft. I often do feel frustrated by social media, but I really cannot fathom giving up art as it’s such a huge part of my identity, and so many of my beliefs are founded upon revelations I’ve had while learning. To wrap this rambling comment up, I think that if you can learn to love the process, than you are successful. There is no pinnacle of artistry (be it technical or emotional). Art can’t be mastered in one lifetime, it’s a mountain without a peak, some climb higher than others, but no one will ever reach the top, and for me, that’s a comforting thought.

[@marisaphonsakkhwa1935]

PLEASE don't stop seeing your work. You have inspired my work and explication of my work and others on going work PLEASE

[@marisaphonsakkhwa1935]

@@Rafiwashere Thanks do all right things

[@imagenes12]

Not sure which I liked most...the awesome and much needed message or Klee's chic spiky pixie. 👍🏽👩‍🎨🌞✌🏽

[@rdelacroixxx]

Thank you for this ! Sometimes I feel like it's not worth it but at the same time art is the only thing I can and want to do !

[@ArtwithVikkiC]

This is so great . Be glad you found out in your 30's . I'm in my 50's andr just got this myself . I'm writing my 3rd book and my art hasn't sold but I will keep on going .

[@shellydurham3277]

You guys are awesome!!! I deep down inside I have been angry because for my situation I have been creating art off and on for years and it seems that every time it starts to sell I have a major crises in my life that happens. The last two times each of my parents had open heart surgery a few years apart . Myself and my siblings each had to pitch in to help take care of both parents which it took several months for us all before we were able to resume back to our normal lives. I had sold my first piece of art at a gallery when my mother had her surgery and its as if I have to start all over from scratch in order to regain planning for getting back out there and connecting with the art world. A part of me wants to give up but I have always wanted to be able to stay home and create art. Due to the pandemic I am laid off work right now and I feel now would be a great time to resume creating my art. I need to also create a website and start creating again but I am laid off right now and have to spend money wisely. Being off work I could be living my dream being at home creating art then the scary side is spending and not knowing and having a fear of the unknown of the out come. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated!! Thank you for all that you both do!

[@seapossumsforrest8162]

I can't thank you enough for motivating me. You two are a beacon of light with all this darkness. I have been stuck and torn down from a family death and I am just spending my time binge watching art videos and collecting art supplies. Can you have too much paint? or colored pencils? I got my degree after 30 years and survived cancer and a heart surgery, but all this drama with 'he who shall not be named' and Covid 19, I have put my life on hold. Like an airplane looking for a safe landing spot in a field, where to land and continue life's journey.. and now they are taking UFO's seriously. I love the Book by the way! Anyway, you remind me why I love art every time I watch. Thank you!

[@theresalowe1231]

I just love you two. You tickle my heart. Thankyou for this great video. I’m 64 and I just retired to pursue my life’s love. Drawing and I’ve started dabbling in painting. I love it and I spend hours everyday at it. I have never thought of selling my art but I do love it. I don’t need to be paid for my drawing as each one is personal to me. I give them as gifts, but that’s it. But I love the don’t give up theme to this video. I struggle with just calling myself an artist so I appreciate your pep talk for that personal reason. Keep up the great work. I love your channel. It’s so down to earth and just vibrates with me.

[@blazewarriorwolf]

I was concerned there for a second, that thumbnail didn't help 😂! But no, just a tip video! I'm personally at a point where I'm like "I have too much confidence power to quit doing what I love, I take breaks to recharge but all in all: I'm good!"

[@GroovyGrov]

I have given up a thousand times. I’ve never thought I was good enough with my art. My family, friends, and teachers along the way told me differently. Now, close to retirement age I’m going at it again. Hoping I can sell enough eventually to help when I’m on a more fixed income. “Padding my retirement “! Lol! I enjoy throwing something on a canvas or (when my hands let me) still make some jewelry. I’m with you guys. Keep on keeping on.

[@Wooddweller]

I am having the issue of being held back by my mental illness and situation right now. I have no income and I am helping take care of family and their business. This video was a nice one to one across.

[@Rafiwashere]

You got this @Wooddweller! You are a champion!

[@Wooddweller]

@@Rafiwashere Thank you :)

[@Kate-ck9kh]

I gave up doing kids toys. I gave up doing shopping bags. I gave up on many things because It was difficult. I love to paint and draw but it's still in my head is it gone to end up with big disappointment. Thank you for doing this motivational speach. I will stick to painting because I'm in my late 30's and I don't want to look back and regret it.I like to watch your content. Keep posting I will watch it

[@petitebri3327]

Love this. I make art, not as my primary income source. I make it because it brings me joy. I hope someday it can also be an income stream when I retire, but the reason I make it is because of the joy.💖

[@CharityS-Minnesota]

This is why I love both of you so very much! When people come to you for advice you don’t get Uber negative and tell them... oh yeah that’s terrible you need to quit or you need to stop. You also don’t super blow smoke up anybody’s but either... you give them the real. But when you give them the real, you are Uber encouraging at the same time! A while ago my youngest daughter said that you two should do recordings of inspirational meditations and things like that together. She happened to listen to a couple podcasts with me last year. And she said you know what mom, they should really do some inspirational speaking or meditation recordings... I have to say I agree! 🥰

[@NguyenTeaching]

Thank you. I have just been discouraged by a friend for not being practical, then I see your video. Great timing. Specifically, I appreciate the first question and your response.

[@sjmsutherland]

Thank you for a great video, as an artist myself I used to have nagging doubts if I was good enough, I didn't think anyone would like my art. Now I don't care what people think!! It took me a long time it now I paint what I like and I'm happier for it!! Anyone who is an artist PLEASE don't give up, Rafi and Klee are right, it can take years and you have to love what you do!!!

[@randomish4285]

Thank you for this video, I really needed the boost. I know and believe that I have no other career than art in my future and I WANT it to be my career. I’m not giving up anytime soon. So thank you for such encouraging videos ❤️

[@mondaysandtuesdays6842]

Love your guys energy. I'm feeling really discouraged lately. Having health and pain issues while pouring so much time into my art makes it hard. My niche seems so oversaturated and I feel crushed that algorithms feel against me. I keep kicking the ball around to see what works marketing wise and no luck so far. Trying to keep my head up and not be cynical

[@kerravonsen2810]

Your point about regret is an excellent one. It isn't about money, it isn't about a career; it is about one's own mental health, because being happy with yourself, that is part of self-care, and that's more important than what other people think. If one re-frames it in that context -- of living without regret rather than trying to be "successful", I think that makes it clear which is the better path. I'm not sure that I agree that "the only way you can fail is to give up" -- there's lots of ways one can fail without giving up! The other way around, though, that's true: giving up is guaranteed failure. It's not a matter of not feeling discouraged, it's a matter of choosing to go on anyway. To stop, that is a decision, and to keep going, that is a decision, and one has to keep choosing. Stopping isn't always giving up, though; one doesn't want to fall into the sunk-cost fallacy. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Fallacy_effect ) Me, yes, I have faced this. Two years in, I was so depressed and upset and heartbroken because my business still hadn't broken even -- I was only managing financially because I was living off a legacy from my late aunt (still am, actually). "I'm just trying to be responsible!" I would cry. Yes, money is not the thing, but one still needs enough money to live on! Did I resolve my dilemma? Not really; I just realised that I was borrowing trouble because I still had enough money to live off for a while. And now Covid19 has changed things so much that even though my financial situation hasn't changed, so many other people's *have*, and I am a lot better off than many people. I didn't have a job to lose, I own the roof over my head, focusing on art rather than jewellery has reduced my expenses, and I still have enough money to live off. Counting my blessings. Kleeism: "doggedly optimistic and stupidly hopeful"

[@Никодя]

Honestly, it is very pleasant to hear that you two were struggling to make money two years in. Not because I like when people are struggling! But because I recently started to sell my e-books and nobody bought it yet. It's been less than a week since it's available to buy. And I feel sad about it and I'm doubting myself a little bit. But now I've heard that you've been struggling for so long before you've started to make money off of your art even though your art is amazing. And I feel like I'm normal and I'm in a normal situation. I guess, it's okay if nobody cares about my art as long as I keep putting myself out there.

[@legalburning]

Thank you for taking the time to make this. Its comforting to hear other artists on this creative journey. I'm 39 years old, with a wife and 3 kids. Just took the leap to full time artist and am loving every difficult and joyous moment of this life. Blessings to you, Randy (Legal Burning)

[@chrisschafer5946]

Thanks. Your words of encouragement help us all. They apply truly to much more than art.

[@gabrielguillen5072]

Oh I forgot to tell.you Thank You Rafi and Klee! Im glad you didn't quit just think about all.the future Artists you have inspired that in itself is a huge accomplishment! Gabe

[@rainbowfox1934]

I love you guys ability to tell the truth. You are genuine and real instead of glitz and superficial. Good going that you put so much time and effort into your career. These videos will help your name get out to the larger public. Great video.

[@skellymom]

So great to see you guys again. Both of you make this pandemic seem more sane! As far as my work, was doing fantastic until pandemic. My art space that I sell work out of (consignment co-op) reopened after quarantine, and I'm doing ok, especially since upgrading to a much better/bigger space. Was really concerned at first about the US job loss, everyone having less funds to spend on art, less tourists traveling to my town, and my "people" who won't be venturing downtown because Zenkaikon was cancelled. Then stopped myself and really rethought why I do art. I love it and it's great for my mental health. Also, kept me busy during quarantine. Sure, I am going to have to scale back the price point and make smaller things for people who are strapped. And, I do this to not just sell, but to keep my work accessible to those who love art. I have never thought art should only be available to the rich. Art is for everyone. So, yes, I might do a few larger, pricier pieces. But, keep it simple and fun. Don't let it get into my head too much. Try something new and change it up a little.

[@wychaz]

Great question by KJ. I love all of your responses to the question. You really delved into the question.

[@parisdblack1711]

My friends tell me I should sell my art. For me it has been more of a hobby, but now I am willing to start believing in myself, as my friends believe in me. When I was younger I quit a lot of things because I was afraid I would fail, now I just do things even if I am afraid. Thanks for sharing, I figure as long as I am alive I have nothing but time.

[@kathyleicester7306]

This one made my heart ache. I cried a little. The desire is so strong, and the frustration with finances is so intense.... Working a job where the owner can't keep her hands off me, and I am so f'ing done with things. And I refuse to quit. I'm an artist.

[@beckywebb1916]

Loved your advice! But I tried to go to the artist’s website who asked the question and it was closed for business. How incredibly sad 😔. She had a great opportunity to get some views, but gave up. Maybe she’ll see the comments and give it another try. Don’t give up on your art; it’s a part of you. ♥️

[@pjurda529]

When asked what it takes to be an Artist? I reply...just do your thing. When asked what does it take to be a successful Artist? My reply is usually..’What is your intestinal fortitude? Or what is your tolerance or pain?’. More importantly what is your definition of success? Mine is finding a place where I am so content that time goes by incredibly fast. I LOVE when that happens. I adore the creation no matter what others think. Stupidly hopeful is the golden mean. Stupidly hopeful is my new religion.

[@mauricepowers3804]

Thank you from this artist as well!!! I am just getting my life back from cancer treatment and I have doubted.....but I knew I couldn't stop!!!! It brings me too much joy💖💖💖

[@STICKYArt]

This is great! I needed this. I have been trying to make it as an artist for 2 years. I think if you really want to do it anything can be done. It takes sacrifice and persistence!!!

[@YellowMelle]

This question is the most relatable thing ever. I know I've prob mentioned this a million times, but I "gave up" in spring 2019. I had just turned 34, officially 9 YEARS into my art career journey, and had spent those 9 years prioritizing my terrible day jobs that treated me like crap. Boss lied and refused to let me work part time so that I could art. So, that spring, I'd spent prepping for a craft fair - out of the house at 6:30am-4:30 pm for the day job, clean/cook, then working on art until 11pm, repeat forever. I was so burnt out, and when the craft fair came, it was a total bust with hardly any visitors. It broke me. I was so exhausted of trying - my youtube channel suddenly flopped, my patreon (relative to others) flopped, my boss kept lying and yelling at us constantly, and I just decided that there was nothing left for me in life, and I *gave up*. I put my etsy shop on half off, and decided I was gonna stop trying. There was a bit of relief, but I was miserable, because now, I was only going home because my spouse was expecting me. I gave all my paycheques to him and I obsessed about my mortality. Thank goodness there were 60 people who stayed behind on my youtube, because I still felt pressured to make videos, so I did. There were 7 or 8 people on patreon, which pressured me to keep drawing for them. I suddenly resented my boss so much (lol) that when it looked like I might have to sacrifice a summer holiday for him on top of *My Entire Reason For Being*, I was like "hell no!" and ended up quitting. And then the pandemic happened right after, so, uhhh... no paycheck anymore. I've been pumping every ounce of my free time this year to the art career again, because you know what? Having a dream that seems impossibly far away is SO MUCH BETTER than what the hell of Giving Up felt like.

[@YellowMelle]

pfftt I guess my point is, you can always answer your own question by picking one answer at random and seeing how you feel afterward. Relieved or regretful? I gave giving up a try and it SUCKED. Other people give giving up a try, and they flourish somewhere else. I thought I was giving up last year, but I guess my life said no to that.

[@amelhenniart]

You guys are absolutely amazing.. I discovered your channel recently and I can't get anough of your advices and life experience.. Thank you so much for your support ..you have no idea how much you helping me with your videos 🙏❤❤

[@toomuchiwannado1777]

My initials are KJ, too! lol I'm considering renting out a small kiosk at the mall over the winter since our local mall scene is still doing well compared to the rest of the country.....and walking the mall is one of the few things you can do around here when you don't hunt (winter temps of -20 F on average, always fun). Every weekend over December :D. Haven't looked into it yet but it sounds fun. I can't work a "real job" to save my life so I'm reworking on balancing Uber with domestic life while either waiting to be fired from my current job or quitting. I've done that so many times so the emotions are kinda crazy. Good luck to you guys and I'll work on my own art, I already have a few series ideas.

[@sotepniques]

I really do love the encouragement you both put into this video and definitely but a good perspective on how you view art. I have been doing art for 15 plus years and am now 28. I make good money (at times) but the unpredictability of income and staying motivated to keep going going is such a battle at times, especially when you devoted so much of your life to something just to see people who work in call centers being able to get nice things and go travelling, and move where-ever. I dunno, just such a rollercoaster

[@brianhoffmann2403]

Really needed to hear this today; Im at this place of going beyond my limitations and not be a victim but stay doggedly optimistic. Keep at it. Im older; and have another opportunity to try life again; but actually Ive never taken a chance at anything; so its kind of my first time to learn what its like to step out in the real world and learn to stick to something and not quit....

[@MonicaFineArt]

Today I woke up thinking whether to continue with my art or not. Thanks for making the video, after watching it has given me a little encouragement to continue. Thanks

[@TheErikrust]

I really love you guys’ videos. Major inspiration for navigating these very exciting yet frightening waters. 💪

[@creativityworkoutsforartan6951]

This was just what I needed to hear today! Thank you. I'm much older than you folks, 60, and working on getting my art career going. Thanks for the encouragement. I can do this, and I am doing this - one day at a time!

[@Никодя]

Wow. A very good video. I didn't know that you were growing so slow. I've given up a little, but after watching this I don't want to stop - of course now I didn't came to successful career, come on, it's been only a few months out there. It's just a beginning, and I need to just write and share my texts, and don't fa-chunking give up! And HAVE FUN!

[@pai.chiart]

Thank you for the motivation. I’m experiencing plateaus and was feeling down but this was uplifting.

[@patriggs5529]

This helped me so much. I did the sloooooow burn and have finally got it there. I am so freakin burned out I was debating on quitting. Don't give up on yourself is great words. I agree! It is in me to do art. Gotta hang in there. I am 60 years young and it is like having parents to advise me. Thanks you two!!!!!

[@VeronicaRussek]

My mom is an artist. I am an artist. Difference is I want to make a living off my art as much as possible. Know what my mom told me? Oh, art is a hobby. You just make it for fun and relaxation, if something sells, good, but don't expect to live off it, get a real job! Ugh, sorry mom, you are now going to be referred to as the dream crusher, you are supposed to be supportive of your kid! Seriously, I'm just keeping on... Some days more hopeful, some days not as much, still haven't sold a painting, except those I donated to a charity and they sold at auction (some artists didn't even sell there!!), but I'm still hopeful, and I'm still keeping at it. I look at it like agriculture, you keep putting seed and working the plot, one day you are bound to harvest!

[@NoNoNoMeansNo]

I do digital art, I was doing ok until Covid hit ( I wasn't making a living though lol ) If that wasn't bad enough, my laptop started packing up so that meant I was pretty much screwed. I definitely was on the edge and giving up. Lucky for me, my father decided to help me out and now I have a new PC on the way :D Be right back to creating soon :D I've been doing digital art since 2018, not doing great yet but it takes time!

[@dawnsafarik6872]

Interesting that you address this question now! I’ve struggled with not being able to sell my work. I have so many people tell me my work is awesome, but it seems hard to sell. I’ve had a hard time finding my “audience.” I have several different mediums I work in and several different subjects I like to do. I don’t want to settle on just one! But lately I’ve been thinking that I was made to create, and that’s what I’m going to do. I get joy from it and it makes others happy. It all has a purpose, and I need to just fill my artistic purpose in life and not worry about the money. If it sells, great. If not, then I get to keep the work I love. It’s a win/win situation! Thanks for your videos. I watch them all the time and I’m inspired by your desire to do what you love and not worry about the naysayers!

[@KJ-cs3mf]

Wow! Thank you for reading my question & providing great advice & a wonderful video! I have temporarily closed my business but I am planning to reopen maybe next year.

[@KateColors]

I am at a point where art is all really want to do. I'm at a point now where I'm rationalizing scrapping finding a full-time job and just do art instead! I got laid off both my FT and seasonal PT jobs last March due to Covid. I was called back to my part time job in June. I would keep working part-time and dive right in to my still life painting. I am feeling like I HAVE to do this because it's the only way I'll feel happy. I almost don't care if I'll have enough to keep a roof over my head but trust (the Universe) that I will. I'm fortunate that I belong to an art guild through which we can promote our art and where we're able to sell either at the farmer's market or one day a week on the lawn of the Town Hall, pending Covid regulations this summer. I also have a few ideas for taking my paintings and diversifying into other products like fabrics and maybe, tee shirts, wrapping paper, greeting cards, etc. I could teach knitting or a basic painting class. All of these things I've done before but had to give them up before making it a livelihood--I'm feeling I have no other option if I'm to be happy and, start living. --KateColors

[@leandricilliers6657]

Thank you so much! Perfect timing! Also Klee, you look amazing with your short hair!:)

[@KM-ky4rd]

You two are so wonderfully motivating..🌸I really enjoyed this video.

[@karij8113]

You two nearly gave me a small heart attack with the title of your video... Hahahaha. So happy neither of you were talking about yourselves in the present. Great topic though!! And you two always have great advice. Thanks for all you do to cheer on and support others in the art community!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@J3nnycat]

I definitely feel regret for never taking my passion for creating art more seriously. Listening to everyone tell me it wasn’t realistic. I would’ve much rather spent my 39 years of life here pursuing something that fills me with joy, than in a depressive funk trying to force myself into this mould. Even if I can’t have it be my full income, the regret I feel will grow even more if I don’t make it more of a priority in the years to come. ❤️

[@hanneromeike9786]

Thank you for your encouraging words 😍. So uplifting

[@CreativeGirlofColor]

Your videos are always right on time and packed full of inspiration! Thank you

[@Studiolussoalberta]

Thanks you guys! We all can use this advice at some point in our artist life

[@jenfries6417]

I totally agree. Never quit. Even if you can't do art as your full time job, never quit doing it. I had an older relative who was a gifted classical musician in the 1930s. He studied at Julliard, worked in an orchestra, studied composition, could probably have become a conductor some day, as he had a real talent for that. Then the war came, and when he got back from serving in the Navy, it was really, really hard to find work in music. He could have gone into jazz and worked in a dance band, but that didn't fit the expectations he had for himself and his family. So he gave up on music and went into other kinds of work. He did very well. But he was also the most embittered, angry person I've ever personally known. He regretted his life choice, and his regret turned into resentment of everything else in his life. It was a bad scene. Nobody wants to end up like that. I sure resolved never be like that. I have not found my audience. At least not the part of it that has money to spend. I've never been able to support myself completely with my art. But it's still the most important (to me) work that I do. It's what I have to offer the world. So I adjusted my life expectations. I don't think in terms of having a particular income level or style of house or whatever. I think in terms of time made available to do art. I'm not good at multitasking, so what I do is, I take regular jobs that pay halfway decent, live way below my means, and save every freaking penny I can. When I've amassed a sufficient "war chest," I quit working altogether - take a sabbatical, as it were - and just do art for however long I can until the operating funds get low. Then I take another day job. I've had an on/off relationship with a local staffing agency for almost 10 years, doing this. I admit, I've maybe gotten too comfortable. I could be putting myself out there a lot more to make the switch to full-time art. But if you can't do that, there are ways to manage earning the rent money and being an artist. Remember, Magritte never quit his day job, even after he became well known. He liked that stable paycheck.

[@richardthaxton9890]

This is a great question and a great response! For myself, I just want to keep everything honest and straight. Other creatives need to understand what this life is honestly like. I’ve been trying to understand the art business since the mid 80’s off and on. In the mid 90’s I thought I was on my way illustrating small press Sci-Fi, Fantasy and Horror stories and publications. After almost 5 years of very constant work I wound up burning through my savings and had to walk away from illustrating. I took on being “More Responsible”. Took temp jobs as a warehouse associate. I met the woman that would become my wife. After 2 years of being married we had our daughter. As she grew, I gained skills in logistics and warehousing. I’ve managed teams in every part of warehousing and transportation all the while keeping my artistic side suppressed. There was a few small opportunities to tap into my artistic side but nothing really of merit. For the most part of 20+ years I hadn’t picked up a sketching pencil, paint brushes or anything artistic. My daughter was the instigation of restarting my creativity. She needed a costume and props for a presentation at school. After that I was back at it in every spare hour that I could squeeze some art work into. It’s been 6 years and I’m still not making anything from the art work but there’s so much that I’ve got to create that I worry that I won’t have time to do it all. The warehouse work came to an end October 2018 and except for a January to April temp management job this year. Let’s just say I’m more than a little stressed. Either way, I’ll be creating my art work until I can’t physically make it any more.

[@grvonny]

My art career has been super spotty and I've spent more money on my 11 year "art career" than I have made. I do hope I can make a living at this in the future but as you can see it's not ALWAYS about the money, it's more about the love of making art, money is secondary.

[@mariaiqbalart]

The journey is the fun part. Hang in there. Either the money will come or the journey will lead you where you should be.

[@sarahswan8498]

I really like these talks! I just found your podcast. I’m still working on creating an art career. I feel sometimes I’m afraid of success but I’m not giving up. Thank you for the great advice!

[@Zanzuki93]

Loved the message of this video from Rafi don't give up because you are too awesome :D

[@liyahlang949]

Really needed to hear this at this point in time exactly I had been contemplating this for awhile . But I am for sure now that I don’t want to give up it would be a waste of my potential ☺️💕 thank u guys for sharing

[@raggamuffin2013]

I absolutely love listening to you both, it feels like watching friends.

[@Koontah]

I'm suffering from 'job burnout'. My hours have been sliced in half and that's an owie in the pocket book. So, I thought, I'll just get a second job. And for two weeks I looked and applied and heard nothing. And by week three I started to feel like I don't want to be in the workforce anymore. All retail is the same. I've done -and hate-retail. All hotels are the same. Yawn. And that's pretty much all that I'm qualified for. And no, I will not work in a hospital. I just won't. So here goes everything. I hope you guys have had better success at this point in your lives.

[@Nicola-Lore]

Aw, man. You two are so inspiring. I wish you were my next door neighbors.

[@Naztalgic]

This Video is pure Gold! Thank You for keeping it pure :)

[@seanarthur8392]

In answer to Rafi, yes there was a time when my kids were young and I was hardly selling any art and working almost full time at a job, and 'threw in the towel'. I wanted better for my children than what fellow artists (who were on welfare) were able to provide for their kids. I was doing everything right. Involved in the local arts community, volunteering, group shows all the time, constantly improving, taking college and summer school accredited arts courses. But one day I realized the only full time artists (except one) had gone to OCA - the Ontario College of Art (now OCAD University), or better, or had spouses who had supported them until their careers got going. I had neither. But I do have very bankable corporate and IT skills, so I went back to school for that, then into industry. I hung on until my kids were on their own. I wish my art had sold more and that I could have worked faster, but I don't regret giving my children a better start in life.

[@williamowusu836]

Very sound advice guys ... 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾❤️❤️❤️🖤🖤🖤

[@chantaldupuis9742]

I paint because I need to paint. Selling is rewarding but I don’t paint to sell so I am lucky in that.

[@treyskies01]

im happy they stayed together through it all too

[@annadreamsart9756]

THANK you!! I'm still new and I cannot pick ONE thing to do because there isn't just one that I want to do. So I should just be my own niche. Love your vids!

[@barbieg7718]

I had gave up art a few months ago because I got frustrated and felt like I wasn’t good enough but soon realized its not about being the best artist lol it’s about creating and learning, it’s a bout the passion ...wow you guys also do music! I do piano from time to time and I also love to dance!!!!its so fun to have hobbies oh and love love exercise!!!thats it sticking to ALL MY HOBBIES and don’t care anymore what haters say!

[@seanarthur8392]

YES Pinky, try to take over the world! Money is a huge thing. The problem is you need it, but on the other hand, it's a terrible measure of your worth, and 'being an Artist' is probably the worst means to accumulating big piles of cash. You want to get filthy rich, learn how to sell real estate or get your stock broker's licence. Instead, your success as an artist is 1. how hard do you work at it when you can, 2. do you finish pieces in a timely manner (which shows self awareness and discipline) and 3. Are you finding ways to get people to see your work? Unless you go the MFA route and try to get into the gallery circuit you are inventing your own artist's path, which might mean other's ways of earning money. Read Rafi's book!

[@CornelMFE_Art]

Love you guys! ❤️❤️❤️ I wish you all the best!

[@stacycobbartist]

I really appreciate this video. I have been feeling a little discouraged with creating an art career. I can't afford to let go of a day job at this point, but evenings and weekends or days off are about working it. Remember that Van Gogh only sold one piece during his lifetime. So if you've sold one piece you are as successful as Van Gogh

Guys, thank you so much for sharing this! Really appreciate it =)

[@tinyartbymak5163]

I too started my craft in my late thirties. I gave up all my life cuz of what others thought. I’m 43 and I’m beginning to get noticed. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Made me feel a little less alone. 💙 Btw, can you do a video on what kinds of financial help there is out there for artists cuz of this pandemic?

[@DavidVallejoIllustrator]

My experience has been a series of ups and downs, with lots of feelings of inadequacy. However, I think what really worked for me is that I never stopped drawing and creating. Going from job to job, I always became known for doing art and often managed to get commissions from my fellow workers. Even though it wasn't how I saw myself as an artist, it was a great opportunity to develop my artistic skills and my follow-through, as well as my business approach. It wasn't until almost 15 years of working "normal" jobs that I decided to become an official business (we're talking a business license, seller's permit, the whole enchilada). From there it has been slow and steady progress, but I am finally starting to make more income, and more importantly, I am getting to do artwork that I love to do. My recommendation is to just stick with what you do, enjoy it, develop it, develop yourself, and realize it doesn't happen overnight. There are a lot of things to learn and to coordinate and to figure out what works for you, so try to be patient and realize that what you want now may not be exactly the same as what you actually get in to. It will probably be better than you can imagine.

[@sylviapineda6717]

back again, love your ladys hair, cute, palm springs, ca.

[@adamdiaz5560]

Love your guys presence, genuine; victory

[@susantreibs1405]

Thanks for sharing. I put somethings on Etsy several years ago and closed that down a few months later, no sales. I am thinking about making some things again, and putting them up for sale again. Got to learn some things first, a new way of doing things. I will let the art sit for sale for a long time, years.

[@brendak1336]

Art has gotta fill your heart. Doing your own and looking at others’ work will fill your soul so just do that and have a backup plan.