It's NOT Your Fault You Died!

Turns out WarThunder has quite a few issues when it comes to Sound and Detection!
Please Gentlemen, let's stay Respectful, and hope Game Devs Fix all these things mentioned in the vid.
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[@superskrem]

they just need a Classified document about tank sounds

[@Supercohboy]

Don't worry, it'll be submitted, put under review, ignored for a month at minimum, and finally rejected for not being legit-enough. Then, next update, probably in the same week even, they'll add a Russian vehicle with prototype ATGMs and an impossible reload rate on the main cannon while conveniently overlooking all the bugs/glitches that make it impossibly difficult to destroy. Their sources for how the vehicle could perform this way include propagandic advertising that's using projected numbers, an army memo about the prototype missiles being transferred to a random unconfirmed military operation somewhere, and a training video that was filmed 6 months before the first vehicle came off the production line. I made all this up, but it's shockingly familiar and believable, is it not? They've said similar things on the forums and elsewhere before. These devs are only successful because their advertising is so effective and there are no real competitors available to supplant them, it's insane.

[@tesarma]

@@Supercohboy i love gaijin they are my favorite "special ppl" honestly and why they are successful is "special ppl" that buy the 80e premiums BRO THAT IS A FUCKING AAA game + 20e on top WHO BUYS THAT SHIT

[@Zenturion7]

this game's vision/audio mechanics(yes this includes Realistic/Simulator) is extremely similar to WoT but jank

[@Cyanfox3006]

This sole spotting mechanic was the reason i left WoT... Well... SHEISE

[@edron-by5uc]

Scheisse*

[@last8exile]

​@@Cyanfox3006 The reason I left WoT is having to reduce enemy HP to 0. And then around in 2016 WT added "Hull Destroyed" feature. This feature also allow any plane to destroy my m18 hellcat just by crashing into bulky 5 storey building I am hiding behind.

[@kazekami7313]

@@Cyanfox3006 Well....I left it because of the HUGE RNG factor in game...I'm basically only driving around...everything else is done by RNG.

[@Cyanfox3006]

@@edron-by5uc I wasn't sure whether or not YT would send this comment to shadow realm

[@leonidas231]

its even weirder that the spotting mechanics are like WoT instead of just all tanks being "spotted" you just have to actually see them

[@obsidianjane4413]

Its an artifact of netcode algos for game objects in any MMPG when you have a nerf built into it. Now multiply this with the RNG factor and it explains a lot of the bugginess and gaijining you see in the game.

[@Flare-s3c]

Part of it is Gaijin's terrible attempt at an anti-cheat. Essentially to combat wallhacks the game unrenders anything the player shouldn't be able to see, which instead causes issues like this and tanks popping into existence from behind wire fenses and tiny poles because the system is about as observant as a PAYDAY 2 security guard.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@Flare-s3c Of course, the game still sends or makes available the telemetry of all players. Completely unencrypted. LOLZ.

[@jazzingpanda3190]

@@Flare-s3cthis is the best explanation I’ve seen

[@SteelxWolf]

@@Flare-s3cexcept anyone using wallhacks IS rendering a player meaning they would heard them even if looking in another direction

[@bradleypetrash-jc3dd]

No wonder your teammates never help they cant hear or see the enemy's!

[@0AThijs]

Actually makes sense, but then you remember the 30th "ATTENTION TO THE MAP" you send earlier.

[@ksnax]

@@0AThijs That and the frustration that 10 other players already died to the same guy without ever marking him.

[@skDoger]

I've been preaching the value of keen vision for ages, glad to see someone else mention it. Appreciate the shoutout btw!

[@GladiatorWT]

Any time! Thanks for the high-quality information bombs you upload! They're a treat to watch!

[@Blind_Hawk]

Wow.. I've seen this video and still thought it is useless in RB. Shame on me that I forgot the content of your videos that quickly

[@RogueBeatsARG]

They need to delete that shit ASAP, makes 0 sense in a "Realistic" game, not even Call of Duty has stuff like that

[@kilincoons1993]

ive been preaching how fkn bs and p2w this game is, just golden eagle ace your crew so u dont have this problem

[@marshalljulie3676]

​@@RogueBeatsARG😂 it's a free game cod isn't people keeps forgetting that this is not your usual western game it's from the east

[@Retronyx]

"E-Sport Ready" btw This game is not ready at all

[@Ruska_o7]

@@matt47110815 how much does the snail pay you to say baseless nonsense, there was plenty of evidence shown in this video that completely proves your wrong.

[@6uis1948]

​@@matt47110815 he literally explained all of this and half the video was dedicated to visuals not sound

[@redracoon1322]

The game does not have any ranked mode anyway

[@Tom-ig2li]

@@redracoon1322 war thunder does have "esports" tournaments broadcasted on thier twitch channel

[@torlakkarstad4251]

@@matt47110815 Source? A friend of mine was having these issues, but once they put points into keen vision it "suddenly" became much easier to find people... You can even run these tests in custom battles yourself.

[@LastGoatKnight]

I hate to die to Tiger II and Soviet MBT that has no engine noise, yet they go around. Thanks for not calling it "skill issue" and actually investigating it and proving that it's not just me

[@GladiatorWT]

I gotchu bro!

[@MorbidGalaxy]

Why are you biasing it against 2 nations it's for everything

[@RadiantCataclysm]

@@MorbidGalaxybecause those are the tanks he’s facing? It’s not a bias, it’s just his experience. Not everyone is biased

[@gormzola]

Tbf when you hear the hl230, you hear it for miles, basically the only engine where i have a good idea of exactly what im facing

[@artic8516]

still a skill issue tho since u died

[@linussyren9221]

Gajijn desiding to despawning tanks when out of sight to combat wallhacks was the singel dumbest and most problematic decision they have done...

[@amauer4834]

The amount of times I die from someone right in front of me cuz they aren’t rendered is so dumb😭 this video has explained so much

[@tibinicle]

For ever and ever, features that are supposed to screw over cheaters will eventually only screw over legit players, as cheaters will have found workarounds.

[@thefogiscomingthef0giscoming]

Also means that you cant blindly arc shots over cover based on callouts

[@KaayaHeart]

I don't think this whole ghost tank fiasco used to be like this I've been playing for over 11 years and only in the recent year or two have I been noticing this despawning thing be like in this video

[@PhilippSeven]

@@thefogiscomingthef0giscoming yes you can. It’s just visual, if you hit “invisible” tank it takes damage.

[@JC_WT]

That explains a lot, lol This whole thing of tanks de-rendering has always bugged me. And now it seems to also be the culprit of making them silent too🤦‍♂

[@obsidianjane4413]

Yeah, this was a surprise because I'd thought they were two separate attributes the server kept track of. I always assumed I'd not been paying attention to the audio ques...

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Was originally done like this to detect and suppress cheaters

[@Atariusz_]

My theory is that realictic in based entirely on arcade. You know these nicknames above players head? They mean that they are actually detected and for example you can scout them. This mechanic actually works in realistic but is hidden away. Same detection rules apply to realistic. Going back to scouting: YOU NEED to detect an enemy first before scouting by looking at them for couple of seconds, your teammate doing that or them being close enough or performing an action that reveals them. The same stuff that makes red nicknames show up.

[@jadenlarson9431]

Makes perfect sense

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

I never thought of that. But it is plausible. Terrible on gaijins part

[@Dont14-r4k]

SO IM NOT GOING MENTALLY INSANE! THANK YOU!

[@maci6962]

Me neighter! I seriously thought that there might be something wrong with my hearing or my vision. But what would I have said to the doctor? Sir, do you know a game called Warthunder? I can't hear or see enemy tanks nearby, please help, I must be deaf and blind.

[@M65V19]

Yes, I was thinking I am going crazy and didn't hear anything. How many times I raged because of that, you won't believe me.

[@bobitoi]

I feel like this wasn't a problem like a decade ago. I swear you could hear enemy tanks even at the start of the game on some maps.

[@M65V19]

@@bobitoi If you feel like it's case decade ago, than it's really skill issue, because decade ago there were no anti-cheat and sounds were very different.

[@halla9538]

Spookston comes to mind with the "no engine noise" thing. He has that almost every video where somewhere, somehow, some enemy tank just has no audio and its literally around the corner.

[@thanatosstorm]

Facts. Even with his enemy's engine sounds maxxed and his limited, you won't hear them. And now I'm remembering every single time I went around a corner and didn't see or hear an enemy and got slapped.

[@patricklandfarth1182]

Thats explains how a Is6 can sneakup on me and i dont hear it even with maxed out crew, but still my Wiesel makes more noise than a jet, very realistic considered that Wiesel is very silent compared to heavy tanks but ingame you can hear it starting from the draw distance.

[@MaticTheProto]

Also the luchs being basically inaudible irl :/

[@kilincoons1993]

tell this to abrams players, the loudest mbt in the game 'The Abrams earned quite a reputation during the 1982 REFORGER exercise between the USA and Canada - the turbine-equipped vehicles were so silent that they were capable of sneaking up on “enemy” formations, earning the nickname “Whispering Death”.'

[@thelvadam2884]

@@kilincoons1993 that one is over 40 years ago things have kinda changed.... but the high pitch turbine sound loses volume faster due to it being high pitched even if the base volume is higher iirc

[@kilincoons1993]

@@thelvadam2884 the first half of your post is kinda cryptic but im pretty sure the sound is just lower in general decibel wise

[@thelvadam2884]

@@kilincoons1993 the first part was meant that the exercise he mentioned was ages ago and that tech has changed since then, so its not really accurate representation. the 2 half was that higher frequency sounds lose its volume aka loudness faster because it stronger interact with the transferring medium aka air so it loses energy faster and becomes more quiet compared to lower frequency sounds.

[@GraveDigger388]

What the fuck, Gaijin.... The reason I switched over to Warthunder from WoT to begin with is supposedly the absence of silly spotting mechanics of WoT!! Now it's apparently in Warthunder too??!!

[@jrtu1177]

It always was like that sadly it is as shit as wot

[@pancsaer2]

Sadly, both games are abysmally horrible.

[@cortexoftheego4568]

try realistic battles

[@GraveDigger388]

@@cortexoftheego4568 dude, watch the vid

[@DarlinaLTesh]

The whole "Look to the side for 1 second, look back and- BOOM!" happens to me pretty much every 2nd match, it's so freaking annoying xD I was going crazy over this...

[@grimreaper1486]

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been shot by someone when I was looking their direction but still didn’t see them. Prior to this video I just assumed I was blind af. Now I think it’s a 50/50 mix

[@DarlinaLTesh]

@@grimreaper1486 The funny thing is, my tank crews all got maxed Keen Senses, so this shit shouldn't even happen... :/ Yet it happens every damn day. Just 10 minutes ago on Cargo Port, on the main road no less xD

[@meaning-music]

I even went to get my eyes checked by an eye doctor because I thought I had vision problems and I spent 250 dollars in the process.

[@Idreamaboutcheese]

I remember seeing some of Spookston's recent vids and this has happened to him a few times. Mainly the enemy having the engine on close by, but no noise being produced.

[@Andy-xn9zn]

Keen vision should just be removed entirely.

[@gaminpreacher2909]

Ya, I deleted the game over what I thought were bugs, but now I'm glad I did because it turns out it's a "feature".

[@microwavedbananapeel]

So true

[@thebeginnerdude7860]

i agree

[@someonestupid6385]

well I think it kind of has a realistic aproach since eyes of the gunner/commander aren't perfect and far away tanks might seem like just ground clutter (It is still pretty stupid considering we basically are the crew) But what should be removed is the fact that I can't hear tanks near me that is just unrealistic

[@geronimo5537]

yeah I want realism not arcade

[@Hpa513]

No wonder a fricking maus snuck up behind me💀

[@BasedMilitarist6624]

​@@matt47110815 my man. I am running a studio class headphones with a sound card. When i want to i can hear your thoughts. This is probably real.

[@Eu_mesminhozinho]

@@matt47110815 this dude lmao

[@GamingWithBlitzThunder]

​@@matt47110815 It doesn't matter. Stereo is already enough, since most headphones are like that. This is likely the game. Because I've already experimented surround sound using a Audio Editor, you can still hear the sound at any area if its behind or front.

[@warwickshaw155]

@@matt47110815GaijinBot detected

[@AnakinJared]

@@matt47110815 The evidence is right there, lol. And those who actually play the game can vouch for it.

[@euanisles9122]

Great, in all of my thousands of hours in this game i have never once upgraded keen vision on a tank crew

[@obsidianjane4413]

Ouch.

[@kilincoons1993]

why would you? you weren't expecting WoT tier spotting mechanics yet here they are, always knew this game was just WoT 2.0

[@angry_zergling]

Yeah I thought it was only a thing for Arcade.

[@brkho]

same loool

[@AttacMage]

I was/am under the impression that it improves Scouting, so I've upgraded it on my scout vehicles. This video still seems off, though. I've never seen pop-in or hidden vehicles outside of the massive culling going on

[@stormtastic7083]

so gaijin sells render distance

[@cc-bk3tx]

Yes

[@lumpyplatypus9889]

This video needs to be spread far and wide

[@Flakbus_WT]

posted on reddit already

[@dmitriydzybanenko8053]

@@Flakbus_WT can you give me a link to the thread, please?

[@lumpyplatypus9889]

@@Flakbus_WT good work

[@Flakbus_WT]

@@lumpyplatypus9889 It got taken down right when I posted it. Then I got a 14 day ban. This happened to many other people

[@notazombie...notatall8577]

Ok, this video needs to reach more people, this "feature" is simply not ok, this shouldn't be a thing.

[@gabrielabreu5200]

That explains a whole lot and im even more pissed.

[@obsidianjane4413]

I hope you haven't spent too much money on it.

[@mistixfrozz640]

@@matt47110815 bruh comon you had to be joking right to be this dense?

[@DarkDweller-13]

​@@matt47110815 So explain the reason for having an ability called "Keen vision" that literally does what he described in the video

[@rocket2739]

This, and the planes that can't be heard when they dive straight towards you

[@dakos1998]

Next 'Its Fixed!': - 'Keen vision' renamed to 'Keen senses' VICTORY IS OURS!

[@Xtariz]

Which will require you to level it up for your crew to be able to have more sensitive ears

[@a_catfish5180]

@@Xtariznah you just un-tinnitus the crew

[@angry_zergling]

@@a_catfish5180 "We have found your hearing loss IS service related after all!"

[@someoneyouknow79]

I have videos of tanks SPAWNING infront of me, or having NO sound whatsoever.

[@Riotlight]

Why havent you uploaded them to your youtube channel then? Not doubting you. But when you find bugs like that make it public and call Gaijin out. Ive got examples of BS and bugs on my youtube channel.

[@petrkdn8224]

Spawning in front of you? That's called being inside their spawn.

[@User-gx3sr]

@@petrkdn8224you know what he means

[@Rexini_Kobalt]

​@@petrkdn8224 bro acting like he aint spawncamped b4

[@ssuuss539]

I also have proof that Russian tanks don’t produce spall

[@WTCheatShaming]

Its pretty remarkable a system used to render tanks which is supposed to assist with preventing cheating actually screws with normal players. I'm pretty glad someone did a deep dive on this because sound after the most recent Dagor update (which granted was like 2 years ago also when EAC was added btw) is when this seems to have been the most recent cause of issues which you stated at your point at 9:10. Game audio "fixed" is how it should be and unless I'm mistaken memory, how it was years ago in ground battles. Afaik gaijins "excuse" for the current audio is that your audio is affected on your crew because the "realistic" measure is that they wouldn't be able to hear it over your own guns firing. But that's pretty BS considering we are LITERALLY in a 3rd person outside. If that were a realistic sound thing then it should ONLY affect sim players where your view is forced into the interior of the tank. My overall theory is that this is a game engine fault. Or whoever does the sound design just turned off whatever setting dynamic sound is. Either way, it bugs me daily when my 150 crews cant hear a guy from 200m away because the game engine is entirely at fault.

[@geronimo5537]

I think they added this to help mobile players render less things at once. Except its utter trash.

[@Creepus_Explodus]

@@geronimo5537 It's an anti-cheat thing that has been in the game forever. It's very common in other games too. If an enemy is behind cover, the server just won't send you their position data. But it only really works in games like Counter Strike where sector visibility is pre-computed at map compile time, so you know exactly what players can and cannot see from where they're standing. In a game like WT with odd-shaped cover and large open fields, it's never going to work right.

[@johnroscoe2406]

There is no factor in WT that is detrimental to the player that isn't there by choice. Even if something starts as a bug, if it's a convenient bug to what Gaijin wants, then it will become a standard. You always give Gaijin too much benefit of the doubt. I have been playing War Thunder much longer than you. Gaijin is not inept or incompetent or stupid. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.

[@WTCheatShaming]

@@johnroscoe2406 Its very apparent gaijin knows what they are doing in a lot of aspects, but not updating their game engine is just extremely stupid even from a dumb free to play aspect. Also "I have been playing war thunder much longer than you" means literally nothing without proving your hours my man. As it stands if your account is the one on your video from a year ago I have more time than you lol

[@WTCheatShaming]

@@geronimo5537 "Mobile players"? Mate mobile and PC are two separate games entirely. And thats not true at all. The rendering thing was specifically to prevent cheaters before EAC essentially made it a non factor

[@ZzVinniezZ]

And people saying skill issues and then there are video like this that proved them wrong

[@norfangl3480]

It's the same with aircraft. If your pilot can't "see" the enemy plane even though you can physically see it yourself; the plane and its trail of smoke will vanish.

[@a_catfish5180]

If you’re talking about cond-trails that depends on temperature (map in other words) and altitude. You can test it by going in a shallow climb and looking behind you until you see it appear

[@norfangl3480]

@a_catfish5180 those despawn with the aircraft. When the plane shows up again, so do the contrails.

[@a_catfish5180]

@ i actually haven’t seen that behavior I will try to look for it tomorrow when I play!

[@a_catfish5180]

@ i actually haven’t seen that behavior I will try to look for it tomorrow when I play!

[@reinbeers5322]

@@norfangl3480 The funny part is when a plane is contrailing, goes unspotted, and then gets spotted again while their previous contrails are still visible - a huge contrail line suddenly appears in the air, sometimes doing straight 90deg sharp turns.

[@notoryu1311]

That not a bug... 𝓽𝓱𝓪𝓽𝓼 𝓪 𝓯𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮.

[@CobraDBlade]

I knew I wasn't going crazy! Too many times I've died to tanks that just weren't there, literally only spawning in for me after the lethal shot was made. I was certain it was the typical spaghetti code glitch because it didn't happen consistently, but after seeing this video it makes more sense because the vehicles I noticed it most on are ones that have fairly low-level crews (or at least ones where I've neglected the "Keen Vision" skill).

[@eaglemach9992]

@@matt47110815 Please report this account posting these copy/paste replies, this is in fact a bot account.

[@Ducky_yandere]

​@@matt47110815 all the channels are already enabled for me, and volume is set to max and i still encounter these issues, also if you wanna call something out as nonsense, "your" not "yor"

[@CptJack-ws8nz]

@@matt47110815 Hey, at least explain why the video is wrong instead of just copy pasting the same comment over and over again.

[@Stonesniffer505]

had this happen to me today. i was looking around a corner without peeking my tank around. looked over a field and it was clear. i then decided to go around the corner and suddenly there are 3 tanks just sitting there waiting for me to come around

[@thanatosstorm]

Same.

[@jurassicturtle3666]

I JUST noticed this issue two nights ago when a Leo 2 I knew was there peeked me over a hill. I was waiting to hear his engine rev while I was dealing with another enemy and when I suddenly exploded I was thoroughly confused. I've noticed the same spotting issue for years, getting blown tf up by someone sitting off in a field I just cleared. Always thought I was blind or that unlucky. All these problems also don't seem to affect lower BRs nearly as much, given that combat ranges and reaction times are so much lower. That's probably why we thought we were playing a much more realistic game than world of tanks back before the modern vehicles started cranking out.

[@raihanwinata5329]

4:27 your friend is what????

[@petemonster1]

I've been playing for only several years now...ghost shells are still an issue... Gaijin physics...

[@pavelslama5543]

My favourite thing is "sequential ghost shells". Like, 1st shot: hits enemy vehicle, doesnt register, disappears without a trace. 2nd shot: disappears immediately after playing the muzzle blast audio, doesnt even render the shell.

[@KnigtyyZ]

​​​@@pavelslama5543Another extremy annoying thing is undestructible materials. I once got killed because my shell hit a WOODEN PLANK which was sticking out of some debris. It was a AP shot btw.

[@RileySmith-z6f]

@@KnigtyyZI’ve had an APFSDS from the T95E1 get stopped by a bush. That bush saved the annoying premium p2w tank that was spawn camping my team from 2km away.

[@Supercohboy]

@RileySmith-z6f I swear their shell code is so bad rn that shells will randomly think they're HEAT and do a "should I die to this bush?" check when they shouldn't. I had it happen a few days ago with solid shot. I've been playing other games since, and this video is going to extend my vacation away from this shitshow of a game.

[@0AThijs]

Or eliminated tanks still having an engine sound.

[@Tsirkon]

Staying "respectful" won't resolve the issue. There's a reason why players leak literal classified documents and review bomb the game when they're upset. Gaijin NEVER HEARS US.

[@FracisBowmer]

I wasn’t playing for the last review bomb but I’d gladly join when we do the next one

[@saltyprobie411]

this "feature" is worth for a review bomb honestly, this completely breaks gameplay

[@danielfield2570]

Great research. I think we've all commented for the entire time GRB has been in WT how buggy the sound is, finally someone took the time to quantify how busted it is. Naturally I also thought keen vision was arcade too, incredibly disappointing to hear its just a veiled p2w (pay to suffer less?) feature.

[@simpletrailers1161]

7:00 what the hell? I thought keen vision was only useful for arcade

[@viki5563]

Holy shit ngl this is one of the best war thunder videos ever. i never knew about this. hope it gets popular so more peole see this.

[@Dark_Productions]

Great Video and Hella Underrated Thanks for the research this needs to be fixed ♥

[@Blueskreen1]

Thankyou for having some of the only useful information to solo players like me that learn by doing. All the irritation from thinking im just bad at scout fighting being a marksman in every other realistic fighter game made me so disappointment in my skill thinking im just falling off but knowing its game failure makes me restored mind and glad its not me.

[@hideshisface1886]

Soo... I didn't imagine all the invisible and inaudible stealth BS... I'm not crazy... Good to know.

[@tunerko]

And I thought that I am crazy. No one believed me that something is fd up with RBs... they just rolled AB tactics into RBs. And I am always going like NO WAY, from WHERE?

[@angry_zergling]

Yeah I thought keen vision only affected arcade that's why I didn't bother much with it.

[@snazzydazzy]

In the past week, I've noticed that "man, I can't hear anyone!" I kept listening back to my clips, and they are all within 30 to 50 meters of me. At this range, even an Abrams is going to be loud. Nothing.

[@baptdu5473]

last time I heard the engine of a dead tank like he was alive lol

[@GraveDigger388]

Ffs same!! I've wasted scouts on exhaust fumes that turned out to be coming from a carcass.

[@Elipsyclips]

it's worse when its a dead plane next to you, you literally cant hear anything until you leave

[@GraveDigger388]

@@Elipsyclips OMG, dude, and do you ever hear a perpetual flying rocket/missile sound?

[@Elipsyclips]

@@GraveDigger388 I keep hearing the loud ass engine

[@phoenixgn9655]

Sometimes you cant hear even if the enemy is rushing at your rear, left or right

[@ausfyausfy2455]

I have not played ground realistic for solid two to three years due to ghost shells and rendering issues, but there was a sound issue, too? The fact that Gaijin brand their game as E-Sports ready is disguisting.

[@BlackIHat]

funny thing that when I added sounds modification to the game it fixed a lot of stuff you said in this video now being able to hear enemy's engines at there location or spotting locational gunfire easily

[@eliradinsky7088]

It's a recurring theme at this point, every major update they break the sound system again. Gaijoob spaghetti code👍

[@robertharris6092]

This has been like this for years.

[@zarryis3365]

I had noticed this months ago. I have had tanks pop into existence 20 metres from me, no warning and kill me so many fuking times. I left the god forsaken ground a year ago and have never gone back.

[@m.i.g.2023]

Let's not forget that sound that comes from behind you is extremely confusing, that's why you gotta spin the camera around during rollouts and rotations

[@NagoyaRR]

I always knew that Gaijin has a major sound problem. Like sometimes even the sound of your teammates tanks just stop playing even though they are almost right next to you

[@redhed9776]

it's just nice to know that I suck a lil less than i thought I did...

[@maxwellprats5243]

i called this problem out on reddit but i got burned for it everyone told me to get gud, very satisfying i saw this vid. i sub

[@ivanbonessa120]

Same, probably that is the reason why no one seems to know or talk about this

[@amirbabaee9707]

Som time's when an enemy or friendly tank get destroyed, you can still hear there engine sound and it wont get away And instead of fixing tings they kip adding CAS, like there is not enough CAS in game

[@captainsternn7684]

WT players not playing WoT because it's not realistic not realizing WT has WoT mechanics.

[@Nebby_Webby]

Wellllll kinda. This is gaijins great attempt at an anticheat, they only render in what the player can see. FMod, the sound engine, can't play sounds for a vehicle that doesn't exist.

[@thanatosstorm]

I don't care about you WOT players, your game is too arcadey, the improved shells and damage for money is dumb, and the aiming circle is stupid. As a tanker, I enjoy War Thunder and GHPC far more.

[@Doberman300]

This is the first video I've sene by you. Awesome content to be honest. You have great energy! This "gameplay feature" should be top of the list for being fixed.

[@Leopardiiik]

today i died atleast 3 times by tank that had no engine sound, i was raging and talking out loud that they dont have engine sounds. i opened youtube to chill down and this video popped up😂

[@CodeRed_31]

theres also a rangefind exploit that lets you practically identify any tank from any range not caring for any object inbetween, its basically like wallhacks and you can also scout with it aswell

[@jadenlarson9431]

What is it i cant find anything on that

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

Commenting for codered to answer :D

[@Weste88]

That explains a lot, thanks man! Also, can please do the same with "vehicle visibilty"? besides the mere percentage value, there is nothing else it explains. My guess was always for a fictional example with easy to breakdown values: 1. I have a base vision of detection by 1000m. 2. There is lets say a T-72 with a 75% visibility stat In conclusion, I spot/detect it at a range of 750m, instead of the "normal" 1000m. Thats what I at least assume. 3. Now there is a Gepard with a visibility stat of 250%. That means, I can spot a Gepard already at 2500m, which is somewhat ridiculous. But since there is no proper explanation, I really, really need some cracks like you to bring this mechanic down to understandable terms. Once again, thank you!

[@symix.]

yes, thats exactly how it works. Thats why very small tanks are even more sneaky, because of their low visibility percentages, combine that with requiring players themshelves to see the tank with their eyes..

[@Guysm1l3y]

I got suckered back in after years being away by the holiday event and I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for doing this research!

[@flaresgaming7432]

that would explain dudes straight up just not rendering in on my low ass crew level with certain vehicles

[@LeviticusRolle-og3py]

Left with the dead in my dreams, listen to the hollowed srceams the snail has taken my soul, temptation lost all control.

[@DiretheAlphaWolfogen]

Yeah this makes sense, as to why sometimes I cannot hear an enemy

[@adkn]

Thank you for showing me I am not actually going insane.

[@CrispyMuffin2]

i feel vindicated i thought i just had the shittiest sense of direction, spotting and hearing. turns out the game is just busted lmao

[@WoWmakerWT]

They said it was implemented for fighting cheaters. They said...

[@kachantacemenov3181]

So this is really what got Spookston died like almost everytime.

[@metamorfoz5126]

Sir U served to community. I m not gonna forget you.

[@revan22]

I knew about render distances being fucked up. You can see in real time sometimes tanks disappearing from your sights, and reappearing when you advance a bit. For the sound, had no idea it was that deep. Makes sense my experienced friends told me two years ago you should'nt ever use mg fire except in time of real need, or to ping an ennemy. Silent tanks are also a big letdown. Especially in some cases where they shouldn't hear my engine because of theirs, but can, yet I can't hear them. Thank god I am playing USSR rn because silent T80s were so frustrating to play against.

[@interpl6089]

T-80s are not anymore silent than Leopards. It's not a T-80 thing.

[@revan22]

@interpl6089 I know. It was just annoying because their engines are supposerd to be loud. And palying germany means facing USSR a lot.

[@interpl6089]

@revan22 I mained Germany and it was so much easier to play then USSR. Personally, USSR just feels weak now and completely outmatched.

[@revan22]

@interpl6089 It is... However I still find their light tanks quite fun to play, and the 9.3-10.3 lineup is quite fun, but the best remains (for me) 9.3 germany with kpz, t72, bagelpanzer and leo 1a5.

[@interpl6089]

@revan22 I agree. I however preffered USSR 8.7 lineup, anything above feels quite not so fun. 9.3 Germany is incredibly good tho. And to add, i don't think the 10.3 USSR lineup is good, It's really not. It's constant uptiers and the tanks themself are quite underwhelming most of the time, albeit they can have their moments when people can't aim or volumetric magic happens.

[@j.r.linden9679]

This is mind blowing, I wonder how this affects the spotting of ground vehicles while in aircraft. I have always been suspicious that not all vehicle are rendering in unless they shot. Great video btw.

[@gigan6384]

the spotting system is laughably outdated and probably wont get revamped for several more years

[@jrtu1177]

Yeah war thunder will be dead soon I think😂

[@funwithmagnus8570]

This explains so much. I've not had many complaints playing ground, but I've been a ground main most of my war thunder career. Now with three ground trees done I've been working on air to get cas aircraft. Got all the good squadron ones already and yeah... I can't see any tanks anywhere on the battlefield until I'm shot down and crash on one. I've had to rely on muzzle blasts to get kills, laser guide a missile just behind where I see repeated muzzle blasts and he's down. I guess that's because my keen vision has yet to be touched, i only play rb so I've never known there was a need for it lol

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

You know, this is worse than I what had thought it was. I really had thought that it’s just a bunch of cheating bullshit, mainly because I’ve never had an advantage due to something like this, no finding out that the game is what causes this is way worse.

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

Thanks for the video,I watched the whole thing and you are very nice

[@Reaf121286]

So now this makes me wonder what similar bs we have in air battles?

[@Einheit101]

Only enemy markers in rb disappearing despite the guy being in front of you or 500m behind you while they can see you through clouds

[@ivanbonessa120]

​@@Einheit101 not only the markers, enteire planes + contrails disapeard if you crew isnt capable of seen the enemy

[@Einheit101]

@@ivanbonessa120 idk i can see these trails all over the map, never had any issues.

[@ivanbonessa120]

@@Einheit101 you need to try more stuff then, i seen that hapening a lot of times, if you have low lvl crew with no points in spoting things is much more easy to notice + if the enemy is in a point where you pilot cant see it, like behind you or under you, if you look at their direction quick whit the C button you probably see them literaly spawning, y tested it with a bomber leaving the contrail, when it pases by a clud (and i was not looking to him directly) all the contrail disapeared, and when it come out from the cloud and i looked at him all the contrail spawned again

[@reverendnon5959]

Planes disappear a lot ​@@Einheit101

[@SOULTAKER2175]

Yes, this is why I died after rushing to the fountain on seversk.

[@ThePerfectGPU]

those sound issues has been here for years now, thankfully there is some sound mod that kinda fix those issues (not entirely) like IWSM for example is a great sound mod, there is still some issues but it's better than the vanilla sound.

[@darkosiris09]

How can a sound mod affect gaijin's spotting/rendering code?

[@ThePerfectGPU]

@darkosiris09 no ofc it can't but it makes much more easier to distinguish different engines sound, guns sound, etc.

[@matrim1762]

So thats why you see hackers/cheaters randomly backing after shooting machine gun just to go back to the same spot. Their cheats tell them where the render area is

[@mossion]

Aahh interesting

[@Corvusstorage]

Bugs? Nah, that's intentional, previously that wasn't a problem.

[@_sky_3123]

Oh my God... this explains soo much. I had a situation where enemy players were constantly passing by me as I was standing next to a building and killing them one buy one as the passed, but they seemed unable to figure out where I was killing the from. I assumed I got lucky, had no idea I exploited a shit from a bug I didn't know existed.

[@nano-soaring-dashb2552]

Pardon me saying this, but I don’t even see the tracer 1:37

[@thanatosstorm]

If you're looking at the tower, look between the top white portion and the first black portion. It's a blink.

[@Anteritus]

10:00 could you ever try artillery fire? I swear it does the same thing. Awesome video Glad!

[@SWATEF]

This is just a speculation but I do think that Gaijin nerfs or buffs the algorithm of when you hit someone based on your performance. Because after I get really good games back to back, for some reason the next games my shells just turn into potatoes. It's like the calculation is tampered so that my shells are less likely to kill the enemy tank just because I was really good in the previous games.

[@symix.]

nah, defineatly not. After playing lot of good matches, your brain gets tired, you shoot worse, just typical mental fatique.

[@newdawnsets7076]

@@symix. Given that the game is doing what we see here, I think he's right.

[@mattthesedg4238]

You're right, ever been killed by an enemy that shouldn't have been able to pen? Check their rank, probably level 0-40 right? I remember getting cheesy kills when I was a new player and doing terrible, once killed an angled Tiger 2H through the side of the turret (whilst angled) with a T-34 57mm 😐

[@symix.]

@@newdawnsets7076 what? The game doing what we see here is game mechanic, that is same for everyone. It has nothing to do with manipulating algorithm. Its similar spotting system as in WoT and to me it has always been obvious (as previous WoT player, all the texts in the crew skills etc clicked for me, and I could recognize the similarities in system). Thats why light tanks have the modification for improved optics, and being in scope (or binos) for all tanks 3x the view distance. Does no one read the texts and think "hmm, it says 'relevant to the game mode: realistic mode', how does this make sense for realistic? Oh right, its about tank _being visible_"

[@symix.]

@@mattthesedg4238 nah, the t-34-57 has amazing angle pen and can surprise, take into account the flight path of bullet causing it to land in a little down pointing angle, can help it even more, to view it in penetration tester in the garage, you need to check "take vertical angle into account" and angle from little bit above (because the bullet would fall from above when shooting at distance) negating the angle of the tiger 2's cheek.

[@skyler9988]

I might have to leak documents on human ears and eyeballs for this to get patched

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Meanwhile, you have Spookston, who is able to spot a tank @ 2 000 meters even hidden behind 2 forests and 3 villages... 😏🙄 #Cheatston

[@thanatosstorm]

He literally has the best equipment, plus his crews maxed and Aced, and also does himself a favor of turning up his directional headphones with maxxing his enemy engine sounds and lowering his own. I do the same.

[@newdawnsets7076]

@@thanatosstorm None of that makes you pro at the game. Even Malzi has very clear clips of him making impossible kills with enemies that he couldn't have known were there.

[@t26e1-1super-pershing]

so thats why a damn jagdtiger managed to sneak up behind me without making ANY noise

[@tabanne9738]

Could you please elaborate with what do you mean exactly by "fixing the audio" at 10:07? Thx

[@obsidianjane4413]

MG fire triggers the "spotted" function correctly. As in the server tells your client to render the enemy vehicle, but it doesn't with main gun. He was being sarcastic.

[@robertwallis261]

Lot of guys on their videos say stop using your machine guns as it gives your position away. Now we know the real reason why.

[@bighobo7745]

probably just added the engine sound on top of the MG clip in post-production

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@bighobo7745 ? LOL. Feel free to test it ingame yourself.

[@bighobo7745]

@@obsidianjane4413 ? LOL. I know what it's like in the game.

[@overdozz1254]

Finally someone noticed. It used to be fine few years back until one day everything changed.

[@gunther2555]

ЧСВ is an ukrainian bloger wildly known in russian speaking War Thunder community. he is an experienced player, has been playing War Thunder for a long time and actively criticizes Gaijin, which is why he lost his partnership with them. He is also known for not being very fond of the English-speaking audience of the game, which, in his opinion, spoils the game. He calls western players “Johns”. However, he often gives pretty constructive criticism, whether it's about updates or the game's crippling balance.

[@johnroscoe2406]

Had a partnership with Gaijin and hates the West? So he's one of THOSE Ukrainians. Ewwwww.

[@N4CR]

He's also a blatant cheater that uses obvious walls/FOV auto aim/aimbot. I have a video of one of his stream matches I played him in. You could see him clearly see an SPAA through walls (was outside of hearing distance) and track them (and many other occasions incl M4 and few other obvious examples). I could see him doing this before I bombed him at end of his match. I have 3k+ hours, I'm not a spring chicken. Cheaters are pretty rare at BRs I play at.

[@johnroscoe2406]

oh wow so he's anti-West, had a partnership with Gaijin AND a blatant cheater. So he's one of "THOSE" kind of Ukrainians... The kind who welcome the invasion.

[@CptJack-ws8nz]

Wtf did Westerners ever do to him?

[@thanatosstorm]

@@CptJack-ws8nz Do we care? Some Ukrainians are shit, some are great.

[@papadad1116]

Yeah I can't think of a single time that I died where it was my fault

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

War thunder wonders why people leave matches early, this is it. Almost without fail, when I die to someone who didn't render, I leave the match immediately

[@Windwalker85]

Been talking about this for years, yet no one believed me. Thank you for taking the effort to prove it.

[@Rudolf_mod]

An unexpected vid very nice

[@GladiatorWT]

Gotta upload something, for my hungry boys!

[@Rudolf_mod]

@GladiatorWT We are all hungry dawg

[@FirstMetalHamster]

"War Thunder" *looks inside* "World of Tanks spotting mechanic"

[@kiranplays2688]

this on top of the fact that your own engine sound is so freaking loud even at the lowest setting. these Devs are working full time to make sure we hate this game!!!

[@newdawnsets7076]

@@matt47110815 We're not falling for your tricks, gaijin dev.

[@25Umbra]

@@matt47110815 You sent this exact reply under multiple comments eventhough you are clearly wrong. Why don't you prove that this video is nonsense by recreating this experiment?

[@SCP--op2eq]

@@matt47110815 how would you know that i remember hearing something like that or my teammate getting shot but i didn't knew where it was coming from only to find out its near by.

[@Danknic1234]

Nice copy paste comment bot

[@split_atoms5098]

i KNEW i wasn't going crazy, thank you for this video so much

[@rodrigo_dm]

Just another unforgivable "feature" on the spaghetti mess that is war thunder. But people will still defend this game, even though it struggles to achieve the bare minimum. Hell, in tank mode you can't FUCKING CHANGE THE AMMO WITHOUT SHOOTING. War thunder is a joke, addictive yes, but a joke nonetheless. I'm glad I'm staying away from all the unnecessary frustration. This game is made to be a cash grab and to stress you in order to get more money.

[@stpbozin8253]

People already protecting this "feature" by saying it's anti cheat mechanic.

[@Alpha_Arc]

To be fair, unloading/switching ammo isn't really a thing that is done regularly IRL. Firing the loaded round and reloading is just faster

[@chez6459]

@@Alpha_Arc but it is a thing tho, there's usually a way to unload the gun manually to feed the right round, is why field guns in WW2 had such a manual breech release to eject the currently loaded round

[@Hulldown_hero-A1]

If you hate the game just say it yes ik it's a fucking mess but I love it

[@rodrigo_dm]

@@Hulldown_hero-A1 I played a lot and I really liked it back then. I despise what it is now because I know what it could've been. 2600 hours later, theres only disgust left. If you love the war thunder experience your bar is just too low.

[@PatchiesAdventureChannel]

Glad to know this, I have been get so mad and can't figure out. this makes alot of since.