GLEANER, Massey Ferguson, CHALLENGER Combines Harvesting

[@jamesbarbour8400]

If I may add some detail - the Massey Harris 20 is generally regarded as the progenitor of all self propelled combines, and around 925 units were built between 1938 and 1941 The MH model 20 was a big and costly machine to produce, and as such, not every farmer could afford one of them. It had galvanised tinwork from the get go. The MH model 21 was introduced in 1941, a machine of about 2/3rds the size of the prior model, and was cheaper to produce. It was hugely popular, and utlised an open ended table fitted with canvas belts, to feed the crop into the centre of the table from each end, being mounted transversely. Another, narrower canvas belt, this time arranged along the axis of the machine, fed the cut crop into the combine. The MH model 21A (introduced 1943) was similar in most respects to its predecessor, but had a table with closed ends and an auger that fed the cut crop to the centre of the table, like a lot of modern combines, but the auger had fixed fingers, not the retractable type, found on modern machines. Another difference between MH 21 and 21A combines, relates to the Crop Elevator - on the MH 21, the Header pivots about the lower end of the Crop Elevator, whilst the Crop Elevator itself was rigidly fixed to the rest of the combine framework. As such, the MH 21 Header didn't provide much under header clearance even in the fully raised position - essentially it just tipped back on its pivot brackets, which were attached to the front of the two main chassis base rails of the combine. The MH 21A by comparison, had a header that was rigidly attached to the Crop Elevator, which in this instance, pivoted about a point approximately level with the Operators Platform, and gave much greater clearance when raised - indeed gateways could be cleared without always having to take the Header off the machine. The MH 21 used a series of 3 large coil springs to assist the lifting of its header, via a large hand operated wheel, whereas the MH 21A Header was lifted by an electric motor, which was optional on its predecessor model. Both MH 21 & MH 21As were used during the infamous 1944 Harvest Brigade, an operation which gave rise to the Custom Cutter operations of the modern day. The vintage combine in red, near the start of the video, is a Massey Harris 21A machine, not a Clipper, as alluded to in the comnentary. The MH Clipper combine was actually a trailled combine for the most part, but a self propelled version was later developed, that unusually, featured only three wheels - two tractive members at the front, as per now accepted convention, but only a single steering tyre at the rear of the unit . This arrangement may have provided a small turning circle, but the design was unstable, like tricycle tractors, hence the move the later pretty much universally adopted 4 wheel layout. Hope this helps.

[@coryridder1937]

Grew up on Gleaner. Started riding in an F, then we got an L2 and now dad is on his second R72. Very underrated machines in my opinion.

[@bigtractorpower]

Gleaner builds some very good combines. The R72 is an impressive machine.

[@truthandfreedom885]

If I win the lottery I will be getting a S98 maybe two of them one for beans and one for corn.

[@fcktheonlythingmissingisu3792]

If you want your grain cleaner you combine with a GLEANER....

[@brentfarrow8125]

Doesn’t matter what I’am watching as soon as one of your videos come up I go to it,thanks Jason for all your hard work by getting these videos out.😎

[@BigSmiles214]

Exactly and always gets a thumbs up

[@farmer5788]

Our family has run Massey combines since our first combine in 1949. We've had a MH 21, MH 27, MH 90 Special, MH Super 92, MF Super 92, four MF 750's, MF 760, five MF 860's, MF 8570, MF 9690, MF 9795, and a MF 9560.

[@bigtractorpower]

Wow what a history. That is great brand loyalty. Thank you for sharing the line up.

[@rodneycody8746]

510 hydro trans were grain hogs to the core feedem up

[@peteschiavoni]

Loved the history lesson Jason. I like the looks of the Massey combines along with Case IH 7150 retro look combines. Thanks for sharing these machines with us.

[@nickyoung6819]

We use a gleaner s96 combine. We’ve been using them since the 1970’s. It’s the most underrated combine in my opinion.

[@atwoodca]

I agree.

[@johnmcenaney1814]

Great video as always. Liked hearing about the history of these great brands.

[@cashwienbar4714]

The newer Massey combines are some of the best looking machines in my opinion

[@bigtractorpower]

They are good solid machines to harvest with.

[@roycereynolds1514]

Awesome machines,thanks for the history lesson.

[@johnfetter3252]

Love these videos Jason. Love to see the hard working farmers doing great things to feed our country and a lot of the world. Keep up these great videos.

[@danieldzurko8053]

Thank you for going over the AGCO history. This history with the combines truly cleared things up for me.

[@toddr.4630]

Best channel on KZbin, as far as agriculture, much appreciated , always well done, great narraration, wealth of information & excellent camera work . MUCH APPRECIATED ✌️

[@chadshafer8095]

Great Video, Glad to see AGCO Brands.

[@jerrynye5441]

Jason, Nice history lesson on AGCO harvesting equipment! I remember our first Massey combine with no cab! Before that we had the AC combine you pulled behind the tractor. Keep up the good work sir!

[@404nitro]

Always great to see AGCO equipment and especially to see Jake Ziegler's 9700.

[@scottstoner259]

I love these video with deep corporate and production history! Hope to see more in the future. Keep up the good work.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Great video. I can see the design similarities to my old MF 8570 hiding under all that sheet metal. That machine platform ran for close to 40 years, pretty impressive!

[@787Earl]

Thank you for your videos my combine experience MF 510,JI Case 960, MF 750, Gleaner N7, New Holland TR 70, and MF 860 then I left the farm. Harvest is my favourite time of farm life in Alberta, Canada but I cannot enjoy Canada winters.

[@normanknapp6041]

We combine corn with a 1981 gleaner L2 and soybeans with a 1981 gleaner m2. You will be able to see us in action in a week or so if you tune into Knapp Farms on KZbin. We were planning on starting this weekend but we’ve had a lot of rain this week here in northwest Indiana

[@davidpeter9784]

We bought a Massey 9790 last year with 1800 rotor hrs on it and it has a 35ft 974 macdon header. We really enjoy running it,the worst thing about the machine is how easily mice get into the cabin 😠. Thanks for your videos Jason. David in South Australia 👍

[@staufferfamily9629]

Very interesting! Thank you!👍

[@davidmarley9471]

Thanks so much for the history. Well aware of the 80’s ag economy, had to give up the farming gig and lost track of some of the companies. Used mostly Oliver back in the day which went away with the transition to White silver, which then became absorbed by Agco, etc. While I knew about the White combine technology going to MF, I had no idea the platform lasted that long! At a Farm Progress show, maybe 20 years ago, I saw a really good chart on poster board that showed the major ag equipment companies on a 20th century timeline, who they purchased or were purchased by. I’ve found it on line in the past, need to look that up again. Anyhow, there was only one straight line through the period in the whole bunch, like ‘em or not it was JD.

[@jacobseitz6224]

Another Great Video. Love learning all of the history of AGCO. Thank you.

[@paulpence8895]

What a roller coaster of product lines through those years, know wonder I had lost track of it!!!

[@SimonKL11]

The gleaner is very nice👍😉 a silver combine at work is just very cool to see😁👍

[@bigtractorpower]

They do a great job. AGCO builds hood combines.

[@rickmontgomery3037]

Great history and information, thanks!

[@scruffy6151]

Good information about the history.

[@kennethwarren191]

I grew up with Gleaner combines my daddy and granddaddy had a Gleaner F awesome combine then my daddy bought a Gleaner L now that machine was a man 4 wheel drive Mudhog rear axle. Before I was born my granddaddy bought his first Gleaner A then later on they had 2 Gleaner F’s and a C2. I’m a Gleaner combine man I really love those big silver combines.

[@131R30]

As an old farm boy who graduated high school in '60, we farmed with a 1930 Case C and Ferguson TO 20 with a later upgrade to TO 30. Brother and I bought a 1936 JD A ~1958, adding it to the fleet on our farm. Still love seeing that old stuff working and would love to see videos showing them doing so.

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for sharing. Nice tractors. I like getting to share the classics when ever I can find them.

[@michaelbaumgardner2530]

Very informative video,and I like seeing Ferguson in the field

[@sveneandersson7888]

An excellent explanation of the market development over the years - thanks Jason, nobody knows more about than you!

[@phillipfaught2562]

Ran a Massey 8780 1998 model,. Upgraded 4 years ago to a 9895. Simple machine that really performs. You can see roots in these machines dating back to the 9700

[@bigtractorpower]

It’s an interesting progression. They all trace back to the 9700 and the never released 9320.

[@hacc220able]

Really enjoy your material - thanks

[@kevingrahl7254]

Fantastic video. Congrats on such a well worded talk on the linear heritage of these combines. You could teach a class in college on this to ag students

[@atwoodca]

I like it when you do these style videos. From a farmer up in Ontario.

[@bryanginder5903]

Maybe Massey will make a come back!!🤞. We run a 750 and 860 Massey!!

[@chadakoin1]

I was able to glean quite a bit of interesting information from your video!

[@JoshuaSmith-xw6jp]

Grain cart damn near got into him there at very end of the video! So much the combine finally swerved over lol. Good video Jason thank you.

[@billbrasky8970]

Close call for sure. Grain cart guy was the pilot of the drone too maybe 🤔. Lucky this time. Shit happens quick

[@emadeldinhessain3272]

Great. Well done.

[@thomasvogelgesang667]

Great video. I’m liken those combines. Once again I learned very much from you.

[@olupotbrian4102]

wow, I have never seen a physical combine but the way you have explained everything. i now know the history of the AGCO brand.

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for watching. I started filming this video in 2017! It was fun to put together.

[@kevinwilson1475]

I run 3 Challenger 680b. Simplicity and reliability can't be beat. The White HYD drive rotor has some down side but it slick to use. Can plug the rotor and clear it without getting out of the seat.

[@ScottPykare]

Always enjoy your videos Jason. GO BTP!!🙂💪💪

[@jimmystrain883]

Great video, very informative thanks Jason

[@daviddelaet8116]

I worked at a machine shop in Independence Missouri from 92 to 95. About 3 blocks from the Gleaner plant. I watched alot of brand new ones being shipped out.

[@RJ1999x]

The old Allis Chalmers plant. Been there

[@markreetz1001]

That was very interesting; Sometimes I forget how bad the farm economy was back in the 80's.

[@joegotz1971]

The farmer I worked for,10 years total, ended up going bankrupt, More money going out than coming in. Soon after a few neighbors quit farming also. This was 1987-89

[@kswaynes7569]

Back in 1979, I was ready and anxious to sign the paperwork on a 240 acre dairy farm in the UP of Michigan. My wife of 5 years then, said "NO Way", she is SUCH a Blessing still today!

[@garybarrett6581]

great video!!! good talking to you at RANTOUL love my gleaner combines and my AC tractors!!! l be watchin!!!!!

[@shawnfox8002]

Be cool to see the gleaner combines from its early start to how they have improved in the grain going through and not so much loss with the improvements through the yrs as with Massey Ferguson case ih john deere claas

[@БОГДАНПОДВОЙЦАТНИК]

Thank you. Very good.

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for watching.

[@markwray3905]

Thanks for making these videos. The flag unit was 👍

[@marcelocunico6119]

Great vídeo.

[@boomerang379]

I grew up farming rice in Mississippi and east Arkansas and the last Gleaner I saw in person harvesting rice was an L3 in 1986. They tried the transverse rotary machines in rice when they were first introduced and they just didn’t perform well at all. When CaseIH introduced the axial flow machines they took over and dominated the rice combine market until Deere introduced their version of an axial machine. I’ve only ever seen one Gleaner transverse rotor machine with a conventional header in rice and that one was in a KZbin video about rice farming in Australia. It had a Honeybee draper header. The modern day Gmeaners with higher horsepower engines are apparently capable in a rice field but they obviously aren’t popular.

[@jeffyoung2089]

Thanks!

[@johnkurtz4652]

We run a R65 with 30 ft flex head and a 6 row corn head. Hopefully the next one will be one of those S-series

[@davidhaskins9457]

Keep em coming Jason awesome video

[@luisnunes7933]

Hello! Gleaner, The Cleaner is the best value/cost relation combine.

[@stevenernst8262]

Just retired an R60 gleaner and replaced it with an 8780xp massey

[@markniemann4493]

Great video very interesting what agco has done.

[@gonerydin4225]

You do a nice job explaining the musical chairs of ag machinery.

[@bigtractorpower]

They have been mixed quite a bit. Thank you for watching.

[@gonerydin4225]

@@bigtractorpower It should be noted that Deere & Co.is the only ag company with an uninterrupted family tree. And the only one that makes most of their own engines. When I started working at Deere, the CEO's wife was a direct descendant of John Deere.

[@jamesharrier6633]

You're very knowledgeable and I like that.

[@kristopherschreacke4463]

I love AGCO branded combines. I had no idea that Challenger quit making combines.

[@bigtractorpower]

Challenger combines are a rare find. Always cool to see. The only Challenger products offered at this time are the tracked MT800 and MT700 tractors.

[@kristopherschreacke4463]

@@bigtractorpower Wow thanks for the information. I had no idea Challenger cut most of their product line.

[@michaelaudy6415]

Ground speed on that A86 was pretty impressive

[@seanmcdermott5260]

Love that black fendt, real dart vader,

[@roadrunner681]

i had no idea Gleaner had a different rotor so thank you

[@davidlucas1656]

Brian's Farm video just purchased a brand new Gleaner sweet looking machine

[@bigtractorpower]

They are very good combines.

[@jimdawson2549]

That sassy Massy at the end is AWESOME!!

[@samueljoejr5191]

You're the man,Jason.

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for watching.

[@pd2953]

Nice video!

[@danareynolds1976]

I would love to see more combines harvesting soybeans

[@jamesbarbour8400]

Hi Jason, always enjoy your videos regardless of brand or machine type. Always well filmed and even better in recent times with the addition of drone footage. Also, your commentary makes for an interesting history lesson - Agco Corp in this instance. If I may correct one small error in your commentary for this particular video footage, the Massey Harris Clipper combine was not the model used on the Harvest Brigade rund but was in fact the Massey Harris 21 (and MH 21A combine models) combine. It was introduced in late 1941, after it was found that its predecessor, the Massey Harris 20 proved to be too big, heavy and expensive to manufacture to appeal to a potentially wider market. Only about 900 or so of this model were produced from 1938 to 1941. This combine sported wheels by French & Hecht. The MH 20 combine is generally recognised as the first commercially successful self propelled combine. The smaller MH 21 combine was cheaper and therefore more widely sold and as mentioned earlier, gained notoriety via the famous Harvest Brigade. Differences between the MH 21 and MH 21A - the former had canvas belts on the header, like a binder, that fed the crop to the centre of the table, where another canvas belt, orientated along the axis of the machine, fed the crop into the combine. The MH 21 combine had open ends on its table, its crop elevator was a fixed position element - the header merely pivoted about the lower rear part of the header itself. The MH 21A on the other hand, had enclosed ends on its table, and had an auger that fed the crop to the centre of the table for entry into the threshing mechanism. The central fingers did not retract unlike more modern combines, where the do. Another difference was the fact that the crop elevator was rigidly attached to the rear face of the header but it did pivot about its rear end at a point approximately level with the Operator Platform, thereby enabling greater lift range and hence clearance when entering a field, avoiding gate posts for example. As with the preceeding MH 21 model, the MH 21A could have its table removed for the purpose of transport over longer distances, as was usually the case with Custom Cutters, which the Harvest Brigade incidentally, was the progenitor. The above header and crop elevator details apart, the two machines were pretty much identical in all other respects, both sporting the round grain bin to the left of the combine main body, and situated directly behind the Operator Platform. The only other significant point of detail changes on both machines was with regard to the style of the front and rear wheel hubs which would take too long to detail here.

[@zimmermanservice7474]

Thank you for the awesome video. Very sad to see the Massey combines get the axe. I have owned and operated a Massey 8590 and a Gleaner A75/Massey 9790.

[@mrourcanada8964]

That was really interesting learning about them and I would imagine that next year when gleaner Turns 100 Iwas going to be an awesome episode

[@bigtractorpower]

I definitely would like to high light 100 years of Gleaner. 👍👍

[@acedecade8337]

0:45 This guy is doing all the threshing with the reel

[@douglassellers7528]

Dealer in IL. Is still selling new Massey Ferguson combines.

[@WiedemannPhotography]

I was wondering when this footage was going to come out and I totally missed it.

[@rockinhonda]

I love running my R-62! Plenty of capacity for my operation and low hours as I only use it about 50 hours a year.

[@bigtractorpower]

Very nice. The R62 has a growl to it with the Cummins engine.

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

great video

[@404nitro]

We never see Challenger combines here, or tractors for that matter. Mainly JD and some Case/IH, and actually quite a few older Gleaners still around. I wish AGCO would have kept the orange tractors and dumped the red since the machines are basically the same thing and there's enough red around already. It would have made it clear even from a distance that it was an AGCO out in a field rather than a MF or Case/IH which would be better advertising on their part. Seems it would have been a wise move, at least for sales in the USA.

[@trevorbowers7738]

I don’t own a farm yet it breaks my heart to see the end of Massey Ferguson combines. Anyways thanks for all your hard work on these videos Jason we all appreciate it

[@bigtractorpower]

The Ideal is sold as Massey Ferguson in Europe. Hopefully Massey will carry on in a new form.

[@trevorbowers7738]

@@bigtractorpower I wish it was like that in the US too. I think the Massey logo looks nicer than the Fendt on the ideals

[@possleaholsteinspossbrofar8429]

Great video. We currently run a MF 9690 but are looking at a 9545.

[@jamiegivens3970]

More gleaners please 😊

[@bigtractorpower]

Working on a 23’ S97 in corn.

[@spiderslegs99]

I love this channel!

[@Rightwinger1982]

@ 0.55 minutes that was some shattering reel speed, wtf?

[@lfeco]

I thought that too, easily double what the speed should be.

[@mackenziereinhart4216]

Have always run MF combines for 3Generations and am disappointed that they have stopped making a combine

[@snowman5609]

@@freebooter247 ya not available in the north American market and not painted red and gray with the massey ferguson name on them

[@snowman5609]

We run massey since 1963 on the wheat run then our dealer in 2018 told us that massey was going away so in 2020we traded for 4 new 8250 casih combines agco can kiss our ass

[@tcioutdoors4624]

My family has always ran Gleaner. Grandparents started out with a K

[@andrewsarles3520]

No better grain sample than a gleaner!

[@bigtractorpower]

I agree. 👍👍

[@TheGiovaniap]

Nice video! I'm from Brazil and here we utilized MF 9690 ATR II 2011 model. This machine is equal to gleaner a65 and challenger 660 in USA

[@bigtractorpower]

Very interesting to hear about. The A series Gleaners were short lived here. I hope to film a Challenger combine in wheat this summer.

[@djdaz72]

Great video of some fine machinery, I would love seeing these in farm simulator

[@bigtractorpower]

Thank you for watching these would be cool to see in the game

[@cartermarchenkuski]

The Americans flag 9560 combine is ours it’s my grandpas but I drive it while I’m not in school! It’s a very nice machine

[@bigtractorpower]

Very cool. It was great to feature the 🇺🇸 9560. Nice combine.

[@cartermarchenkuski]

@@bigtractorpowerhanks my grandpa said that time you came and did the video on our challenger MT955B and had the combine in there, and I was so sad I wasn’t there I always watched your videos even back then I would have loved to come out and see you record the combine and tractor, but oh well!

[@farmer5788]

The Massey Harris 21 was the machine that started the Harvest Brigade it's the machine you started your video with. The Massey Harris Clipper was a small combine introduced in the early 50's.

[@bigtractorpower]

My mistake. Thank you for the information.

[@originalsteffen78]

And the Fendt 9460R combine !

[@mikedewert527]

We are running a Gleaner R52 in Missouri

[@felipemedina1634]

Here on brazil agco still sell this combine on the brands of massey and valtra

[@bigtractorpower]

The Valtra branded model is neat to see. It was also sold as a green Fendt in Europe. Unfortunately the Gleaner A series was retired in 2011 and the Massey retired in 2021 in North America.

[@brandontegan9665]

Hi Jason, great video as always. We run a 2013 Massey 9540 and love it. Pretty disappointed with AGCO for killing off a great machine

[@bigtractorpower]

Very nice. The combine unloading on the go in the Massey segment is a 9540. Great combine. The Ideal is sold as a Massey in Europe. Maybe there is more to come.

[@tgh223]

me and my cousin bought a new white 8600 it was a good machine i believe it was in 1976

[@kswaynes7569]

Every time I see a newer Gleaner combine, I immediately hear Brian Brown of Brian's Farming Videos, forcefully say "Power Ladder"

[@RJ1999x]

Which Allis Chalmers had in the late 70's

[@Mr617583]

Under unloading boost the Ideal 9 is 647 hp and the 10 is 790 hp. same as the Claas 8900. But it takes more than HP to make a great combine.. Watch a bunch of Mike Mitchell's video's from Faith Hope Farm, I think he compiled a list of over 80 complaint"s about the 7 Ideal 9"s they had until they traded for JD X9"s. But what do you expect when you buy first year machines from any manufacturer? I think Agco has something like over 400 updates for the early Ideals. And even then, there are still some glaring errors you can see on the newer models by just walking around the machines. Bean counters at Agco hard at work trying to cheapen things by making some things substandard instead of better than the preceding MF 9505 model. That said, overall they are a much higher capacity combine in at least dry conditions, in high moisture corn the rear rotors aren't aggressive enough to separate the corn from the stalks, leaves and husks as well as other brands. Works great in dry straw conditions because it leaves the straw in bale able condition like a walker machine. Rear rotors are the same as the MF Delta 9380 in Europe which is a Hybrid like Claas rotor machines. As far as Gleaner transverse machines being so wonderful, why do you think Gleaner put their paint and decals on MF machines for about 8 years? Feeder house's and cylinders that plug easy in tough condition's with no rotor reverser like Massey had going back to the late 80's. Which ment poor sales in the south because they raise a lot of heavy rice with green stems and if it goes down like wheat can, you want a MF 9565 with a heavy duty feeder house and a rotor that reverse's with the front beater, something the 2011 and previous years did not have.

[@LLImprovement]

Whats everyone's opinoin on the older challenger CAT track tractors. Have been debating on picking one up to run my disk and rock rake since some came with PTO as well. There has been one floating around with a blade on the front for a while on the classifieds.

[@bigtractorpower]

The farms that I have visited to film that have the flat track design all like them allot.

[@rafaurr3863]

Great video The MF axial was also available in Europe in Laverda livery and of course there was a Gleaner in MF livery in Asia(?)

[@wcooman1694]

I think it's a shame Agco dropped the Challenger & MF machines. I was told that they couldn't hang with the competition, but I always found the specs at least equal to, if not better (especially with regard to threshing & cleaning areas) than, others. Sort of suspect the person may view things thru a particular color glasses.

[@zimmermanservice7474]

@@freebooter247 not in North America

[@wcooman1694]

Just a Fendt with different decal. Also not on MF US website. Not the 9505 series.