Glenelg Tram Traffic Priority

WARNING - This video runs for 47 minutes, the length of the ride from 'The Bay' to the Entertainment Centre. It is a follow-on from the Gold Coast and Melbourne Route 96 videos which show as well as the ride, traffic light help or, especially in this case, hindrance. Remarkable in Adelaide was the number of wheelchair users on trams and trains.

[@LindtBunny]

Thanks for sharing. I've sent my CV off to Adelaide Metro and hopefully there'll be some vacancies for new drivers soon!

[@tressteleg1]

+Sally Burgess Good Luck with your job aspirations. In the meantime you can watch my video and get used to the idea that those traffic lights are out to get you. Then you can watch my Gold Coast equivalent video and cry. :-)

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[@stepfordclass730]

Transport rank 1:Bus 2:Train 3:Tram

[@tressteleg1]

Looks that way, at least in the street running sections.

[@MrPressman56]

At the current time none of the traffic lights along the tram route have a "tram priority" function. The T lights are just part of each intersections traffic light cycle. The only priority the trams get is through the Boom gate crossings between Wayville and Glenelg. There is talk of converting some traffic light intersections to include Tram priority, but only talk so far!

[@tressteleg1]

+MrPressman56 Hi. I was well aware of the totally lack of priority from Greenhill Rd onwards. However the reason for using this heading is that it is part of a series which started off with that title for the Gold Coast line which most certainly does have priority. Not always absolute, but much of the time. Take a look at it if you have not already seen it. Hopefully something even slightly as good as this will help a lot.

[@MrPressman56]

+tressteleg1 Yes I watched your Gold Coast clip earlier, that how I found this one ;) Last time I was in SEQld they were still building the system. Hope to get back there soon to take a ride.

[@togoulo02]

MrPressman56 was on the gold coast a few months...yes the feeling of the priority was fantastic. ..makes u feel important. It would cut down tram delays significantly if priority was introduced.

[@tressteleg1]

I took video of the Sydney Light Rail in its earlier days, a pre-opening fan tour as well if the video still is OK. I wasn't going to bother with posting that but I guess I could look into it when other more unique video has been posted. I guess that after it opens I may make an effort to do the same for the newest extensions. Wait and see.

[@TheSwamynathan]

How is Canberra's New Light Rail? I saw the testing being done while I was there.

[@tressteleg1]

I have not been there but this video and others by friend Matthew Geier may interest you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYuXf4ilrdZpgZo

[@Foggen1231]

Shame on the transport minister!! That was a very slow ride. When the tram used to terminate at Victoria Square it was advertised as 20 minutes from Glenelg to the City. Now some 5 plus years later it was 32 minutes to the square. Scandalous. People should be encouraged to use the service but with a down graded service like this you can see why its too often neglected. In the car even in peak hour to Victoria Square would take no more than 20-25 minutes.

[@tressteleg1]

Foggen1231 Yes it is unfortunate that trains and trams are slowed so much now. Most cities, it seems, lengthen the running times so the Transport Minister can announce that 99% if the trams/trains are running on time but does not say ‘because they are so slow it is almost impossible to run late’. Also those Madrid Citadis trams wriggle along in places, throwing the driver about and that could be another reason for slowing the trams, now limited to 60km/h I believe. The greatest problem in Adelaide is lack of any tram priority at traffic lights in the street sections. The road lobby is calling the tune.

[@Brianrockrailfan]

great video tressteleg1 :)

[@tressteleg1]

👍

[@torrenstransitenthusiast6985]

I wanna work for adelaide metro one day

[@tressteleg1]

Have a chat with a few drivers somewhere quiet and see how they like the job.

[@MarkHenstridge]

Shock and horror, our newly elected Government(Conservative)has halted any new tram extensions and is dedicated to selling off our Train and Tram networks to commercial operators. The same Conservative Government when last in office sold off our public owned Bus service to four operators, Torrens Transit, Southlink, Serco and the company I once worked for Transitplus.

[@tressteleg1]

Privatisation is an evil concept that does the user no good at all. I can’t think of one that has served the public well.

[@michaeleverett1479]

Trams suck and are not for serious public transport. Trams should only stay around the city for nostalgic memories to serve the tourists for short distance trips.

[@jimboi7952]

Interesting that the tram has a train horn as well as a gong

[@tressteleg1]

jim boi I think that is fairly normal on new trams. My local Gold Coast trams are the same, as well as the newer Melbourne ones. There are times when something much louder than a gong is needed to alert a pedestrian or car driver.

[@anguscovoflyer95]

will you do that for sydney's light rail? i also hope you do it when sydney's new light rail line opens in 2018/19

[@candidcomment]

Sydneys lire rail will be and is a Joke ! The traffic is horrendous now with a population that has exceeded the limits of the existing infrastructure by 10 yrs at least , Waste of money !!!!

[@tressteleg1]

Tell that to the crowds who use the Dulwich Hill line every day. They are sure to disagree. George St lines - who knows what that will bring?

[@stephiianiemay8059]

Weird clicking on this and hearing the lady voice again..

[@tressteleg1]

Just last week I published a much newer version which may suit you better. Driver's View Tram Glenelg to Royal Adelaide Hospital kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2XCoZqsiMxnbpY The opposite run with similar Title was published months ago.

[@danthefryingpan963]

I've watched the flexity classics in Adelaide stop and the driver has it in a constant setting which means the tram comes to a smooth stop by itself? I've always wanted to drive the 3000 class railcars but ended up becoming a pilot or Rex haha.

[@tressteleg1]

+DanTheFryingPan I watched the Adelaide drivers and felt that they could do better. When braking any rail vehicle the brakes should be eased a little before the final stop to avoid a jerk as the brakes tend to grab at the last moment. A 'constant setting' will cause a jerk. Driving your car is the same but the driver does not notice the jerk as he expects it. I find it hard to fault the Gold Coast tram drivers with their stopping.

[@danthefryingpan963]

tressteleg1 because some of the Adelaide train drivers are lazy and/or they are 2 mins late and feel like the few seconds extra they spend on having a smoother stop would affect the time strain even more? However, I shall investigate the quality of the trams in QLD :). How was it being a tram driver? What's the experience like?

[@tressteleg1]

+DanTheFryingPan I'm very pleased I did it 1988 to 1994 but eventually the interference by the Kennettt government was more than I was prepared to tolerate. While most of the time the job was a bit monotonous, at times the chance to wind a W up as fast as it would go down a decent hill was something exciting. I got a B up to 80 coming off Port Melbourne one night. With governing etc all the fun is gone now. Let me know when you come to the GC.

[@danthefryingpan963]

tressteleg1 closest I go to the Gold Coast is the middle of SA for work haha. However you will be notified when I do go :).

[@marcopolo3001]

0:17 Stan Lee? lol

[@somerandomdudelol]

I'm guessing the speed limit after Brighton road is 60 to 80kph

[@somerandomdudelol]

It's an estimate so don't mind if I got it incorrect

[@tressteleg1]

I had to wait for the reply from an Adelaide tram fan. “They don't push it on the Brighton Road to CBD stretch though. Much of the way they run under 60kph for long stretches.” Drivers have told me that the Citadis trams wobble side to side when going faster and this is unpleasant for the driver. So probably they drive everything slower and this is probably how the timetable is set.

[@michaeleverett1479]

@@tressteleg1, The maximum operating speed of the Glenelg tram is 50 km/h on the reserved right of way between South Terrace to Brighton Road. In the shared sections in King William Street and Jetty Road, the tram doesn't even hit 30 km/h.

[@coffeepotproductions8693]

Trams are my second favourite transport.

[@tressteleg1]

Maybe perhaps I may even sort of forgive you for that, maybe, dunno...

[@planetX15]

500 class fan Behind?

[@tressteleg1]

I have no idea.

[@torrenstransitenthusiast6985]

Is this the A Class tram?

[@tressteleg1]

No. The A class is only in Melbourne. This Adelaide tram is almost exactly the same as the Frankfurt, Germany, Bombardier trams and were built 15-20 years ago.

[@torrenstransitenthusiast6985]

@@tressteleg1 thanks for the information keep it up

[@smoothfags20]

Which City is this ?

[@tressteleg1]

Adelaide South Australia.

[@michaeleverett1479]

I have some perspectives of why trams/ light rail suck especially in Adelaide and other cities in Australia and around the world. Trams do have their place just like any other mode of public transport, however trams are not the high capacity backbone of the public transport system. Many European and some North American cities during winter have lots of snow where buses struggle to gain traction on the snowy bitumen (see links below). Buses stuck on snow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6CZdY2BmtOChqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnzbd4xpd5aKqKM Trams and trains with steel steels are not unaffected as much by the snow and can remain in motion unimpeded thanks to the guidance of the steel rails (see links below). Trams in snow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4eUhWtoo6iVj68 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmTXgIJoaKhkoM0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCZeKCbfc2LgrM Australian cities don't have snow like those in Europe and North America; Hence trams/ light rail are an totally unnecessary especially in Adelaide. Also, a railway line either trams or trains are expensive in operating and maintenance costs when compared to normal busways (not the O'bahn). A tram/ light rail costs as much to operate as a train/ heavy rail. Railway lines should only be sparingly used for high patronage routes with high capacity requirements by careful planning, zoning and land use policies. In 2020, 80% of Adelaide's public transport patronage are served by buses where the bus lines operate in mixed traffic (on the road network) and the O'bahn guided busway (fully segregated). 20% are from Adelaide's rail network of suburban trains and trams (free and paid trips). Adelaide's public transport is a disjointed multi modal network where buses, trams and trains have poor connectivity between each other. Only the O'bahn busway has continued growth in patronage since 1980 due to the buses high average speed and large stop spacing. The rest of Adelaide's public transport network patronage is stagnating or declining. However, the O'bahn should be converted to a metro system (heavy rail) with the same stop spacing. The Gawler, Seaford and Outer Harbor train lines are useful and require service improvements. Grange and Flinder's spur train lines are hopeless and must be closed. Belair train should have a tunnel between Torrens Park to Belair (at new location), with an extension to Aberfoyle Park. Double tracks must be throughout entire Adelaide's train network. Adelaide's rail network also needs better connectivity to more frequent and direct cross city buses. The whole train network in Adelaide desperately needs station removals in order to speed up an all stations train service and level crossing removals to safely improve train frequency and relieve road, bicycle and pedestrian congestion. Public transport trips needs to be more competitive against the car in door to door average speed and door to door trip time. If public transport like in Adelaide is much slower than driving for an equivalent door to door trip, people simply won't use it.

[@thefyskoogle134]

agreed except for closure of finders and grange

[@michaeleverett1479]

@@thefyskoogle134, Flinders and Grange train lines suck passenger capacity from the Seaford and Outer Harbor train lines respectively. Train services from Flinders station share the same track with the Seaford train from Ascot Park to Adelaide Railway Station (ARS). Train services from Grange station share the same track with the Outer Harbor line from Woodville to ARS. Both the Flinders and Grange lines operate at a abysmal 20 - 30 minute frequencies throughout the day due to their single track operation while being underutilised in capacity. This track sharing doesn't allow the acceptable frequency of 10 - 15 minutes (all day) and high capacity throughout the entire Seaford and Outer Harbor train lines. Branching one or several railway lines from the trunk dramatically reduces the overall frequency and capacity of the longer trunk line that covers a bigger area and population. Ideally, railway lines must follow the "one line, one corridor principle" with adequate service levels (frequency), capacity, simplicity, legibility, reliability and competitive average speed against the car to attracting potential passengers. It's better to have shuttle trains on the Flinders and Grange lines with a 10 - 12 minute frequency to feed passengers to Ascot Park and Woodville station respectively. Single carriage 3000 class DMU trains can fulfill the shuttle train services temporarily from Flinders to Ascot Park and Grange to Woodville. These shuttle trains from Flinders and Grange can save energy, reduce unwanted trains from wasting platform capacity in Adelaide Railway Station and lower train congestion in the messy junction of ARS. Currently, the Gawler, Seaford, Flinders Belair, Outer Harbor and Grange trains from inbound and outbound directions all cross the same messy junction in ARS. This shared junction in ARS limits the number of train services, decreases frequency and capacity across the entire Adelaide suburban train network. One train disruption or delay in ARS will cause the whole network to a complete stop.

[@TheHardcoreboy747]

Melbourne Yarra trams are the best

[@danthefryingpan963]

They're the worst. I was on one 3 days ago and im from adelaide. They stop very suddenly and you have to rely on other people on the rest of the crowded infrequent trams to not be injured. I had to wait for 5 3a trams to get a 96 tram to go back to the city, they are extremely unreliable. Adelaide trams are only late by a max of 3 minutes all up (proof from this video). However the average delay for melbourne trams are around 10 minutes. I thoroughly dislike melbournes trams. They are small, crowded and infrequent.

[@tressteleg1]

+DanTheFryingPan I used to be a Melbourne tram driver so take more note of today's driver performance. Smooth driving seems not to be important now and the new E class take extra effort to try for a smooth stop. Poor tram design, indifferent driver training or follow-ups. Try the Gold Coast one day. It is by far the best tramway I n Oz and I don't just say that because I live there.

[@candidcomment]

Maybe so if you are not in a hurry , which is the absolutely mind numbingly punishing - The lights in Melbourne are astounding slow ! You wait ,the light goes green and as it does you see the next one ahead go Red . I can't believe Melburnians don't top themselves - you cannot get anywhere in the city in a hurry ! Impossible !!!

[@tressteleg1]

Agreed. There is little will in Melbourne, or Adelaide, to put a tram with many people ahead of a handful of cars at traffic lights. Canberra, Gold Coast and maybe Newcastle are way ahead with tram priority.

[@candidcomment]

After watching this I never realised how IMPOTENT light rail is , Why Why Why ? its Slow , keeps stopping , its no way as quick as Car or bus or bike . What a waste of resources - if it was Fast and didn't stop on ever corner then maybe it would have some merit ! Plus there seems to be only a trickle of people using it .

[@superchicken4636]

talking 2019 now its very busy going to the city in the morning and in the evening going back to Glenelg its even busier also they slow down near stations in case someone is at the station but if not it just usually expresses past

[@tressteleg1]

If you rode my local Gold Coast line maybe you would change your mind but I suspect that no matter what your mind was made up long ago. My line carries a lot more passengers than the erratic bus service ever did. And punctuality is normally within a minute or two of the timetable. I did an equivalent (to Glenelg) Video called ‘Gold Coast Tram Traffic Priority’ if you want to watch it but doubt you will.

[@candidcomment]

@@tressteleg1 Im not having a Dig at you but the Rationale for Light Rail , they are finishing one in Sydney from Kensington NSW Uni to Circular Quay - Its budget has blown out to nearly double and its running two years late - the distance is about 6 Klms or so - I saw a story the other saying that they now think it will be slower than the buses ! Again , I say why ? The new line from Rouse hill out In Sydney's west to Chatswood opened and I followed another story and a guy left his car at home and took the new light rail . it took him 5 mins longer - 1'.5" Hr to get to his work and driving in peak hour traffic which is horrendous in Sydney was quicker . I just don't get it .The Gold Coast Light rail which I watched on youtube seems to be the only one that is supplying a service to people who are living further out .

[@tressteleg1]

The current Sydney tram project stands out as being one of the world’s worst managed light rail projects - overbuilt, over expensive, and way over-time. Edinburgh Scotland construction was in the same league. By comparison the Gold Coast extension to Helensvale was built at or a bit under budget and finished over a month early and has run well from the beginning. Nevertheless that should not be confused with potential efficient (or inefficient) operation in Sydney. Except through the heart of Surfers Paradise the Gold Coast line is brisk a lot of the time but even where trams could safely go faster they are limited to the speed limit on the parallel road. Besides wanting to to enjoy the tram ride and keep an eye on how it is operating, I choose to ride it to get to my destination even though driving is faster as, like with most much younger passengers, I catch up with emails etc on my iPad along the way. In fact many young people in areas with OK public transport are no longer buying cars for that last reason.

[@michaeleverett1479]

Tresstelg1, Do you like trams🚊? I hate trams, I don't understand why so many people like trams so much. Trams suck! Even trains are far better than trams in speed and capacity; Assuming that trains and trams are fully segregated from pedestrians and road traffic. Trains have much wider carriages and much more comfortable seats when compared to trams.

[@tressteleg1]

Your mind is so clearly made up that nothing I could say would change your opinions so I won’t even waste my time replying further.

[@michaeleverett1479]

@@tressteleg1, You're a tram buff.

[@michaeleverett1479]

@@tressteleg1, What do you think of monorails? Monorails are elevated rubber tyred trains with full grade separation from the ground traffic below and come in suspended or straddle beamed variants.

[@grandpacocky7618]

Spoilt by poor graphics

[@tressteleg1]

+Grandpa Cocky Perhaps you could show me,your superior videos.