Glenn Greenwald: The war on free speech

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Glenn Greenwald joins UnHerd’s Freddie Sayers to explore the nuances of free speech in today’s digital world. They discuss the challenges of protecting minority voices while upholding free expression, the dangers of corporate censorship, and the importance of critical thinking in navigating today’s complex information landscape.
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// TIMECODES //
00:00 - 00:31 - Introduction
00:31 - 03:51 - Robert Rico shooting
03:51 - 19:04 - Media bias on Palestine/Israel protests and the limits of free speech
19:04 - 21:13 - Does Glenn himself stick to his free speech principle?
21:13 - 27:19 - How has “disinformation” led to increased censorship?
27:19 - 38:02 - Glenn discuss how important “internet freedom” is and the government’s role
38:02 - 38:33 - Concluding thoughts
#UnHerd #freespeech #disinformation

[@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590]

Greenwald is impressively consistent when it comes to free speech, unlike some 'conservatives' who unfortunately make exceptions for speech about Israel.

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

Yeah, those people are _extremely_ FOS.

[@fastingman4726]

Yeah and that is Ben Shapiro

[@MaxwellPowers666]

Meghan Kelly is such a free speech hypocrite. She should be on a real housewives show. She's such a fake caddy bitch

[@rykwon4535]

@@fastingman4726Bari Weiss is a fraud too

[@escapetheratracenow9883]

I'm surprised your post escaped the attention of the You Tube Deletion Squad.

[@NotABadGuy.]

Greenwald is one of the few principled journalists around.

[@twelfthhour]

Maybe you missed his insane defense of Andrew Huberman

[@theamericandream5917]

Glenn is the last of a dying breed. If only more journalists had integrity like him our society wouldn’t be such a shit show it is now.

[@slappyfun]

His principles have proven to be very consistent. Love Glenn. A truly trustworthy source.

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

@@twelfthhour, hey, even Babe Ruth only hit .300, and he's in the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame.

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

@@theamericandream5917, oh, there _are_ more. Like Chris Hedges. Robert Scheer. Max Blumenthal. Aaron Maté. Gabor Maté. John Pilger. Anya Parampil. Greg Palast. Sy Hersh. Whitney Webb. Abby Martin. Lee Fang. Matt Taibbi. Michael Shellenberger. Lee Camp. Tyler Ventura. Jesse Ventura. Keaton Weiss. Jimmy Dore. Joe Rogan. Russell Dobular. Russell Brand. Just to name a few. 😁

[@donnagaffney6467]

Glenn Greenwald always makes great sense & always bring the receipts

[@scillyautomatic]

We should be shouting from the rooftops: NO ONE should be "protecting" us from misinformation. Anyone who claims to do so is, themselves, participating in Mis, Dis or Mal information.

[@robertholland7558]

“ mis/dis/mal information“ are new terms that did not existed a few decades ago. Information was alway considered incomplete or not considered within context.

[@lagringa7518]

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[@ganpik]

The word "rooftops" reminds me of Hamas.

[@ywtcc]

Journalism dies without journalists policing bad journalism. Science and academics also die without scientists and academics policing bad science and academics. These endeavors are a direct result of a concerted effort to fight misinformation. I think you need to develop more sophisticated ideas of information policing. The ideas you have ultimately amount to looking the other way while the frauds take over. Think about transparency, accountability, and relying on sister organizations around the world, to establish integrity in these fields. I think if you had better critical thinking education you'd have better solutions to epistemic problems.

[@scillyautomatic]

@@ywtcc so in short, you're saying "Protect me harder, Big Brother!". I would ask you to point out what you think is wrong with stopping the "misinformation experts but it seems you ACTUALLY believe that you can trust someone to protect you from misinfo. Clearly you have not thought thru this.

[@gerhard7323]

GG talks the talk AND, far more importantly, continues to walk the walk. Bravo, Glen.

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

There is no limit to free speech. One can choose not to listen but one cannot prevent the speaker from speaking.

[@ywtcc]

You can ignore, but you can't choose not to listen. Ears don't work like that. Also, ignorance has its limits. Ignore cries for help, or claims of fraud, and you can get yourself thrown in jail for that. Speech around business contracts, consensual romantic relationships, matters of the court and legislature, are all highly regulated. I agree there should be a forum where speech is truly free - but that same forum is a place where speech can't be taken seriously. There's a give and take here. Do you want to be taken seriously? Then you need to accept accountability for abusing speech. Rights come in conflict with each other, and speech is often the right that's the most civilized right to curtail.

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

​@ywtcc If I choose to speak, I simply speak. I don't care if no one listens. If I choose not to listen, I simply don't listen. I don't care who is speaking. FREEDOM is sacrosanct, and unless the individual is free, he can not claim to be living.

[@paulmoulton7248]

Devils Advocate: Tik Tok is basically a propaganda tool to influence Western kids via destructive algorithms. How should that be treated?

[@nirguna17]

So if I’m eating dinner in a restaurant, you can scream at me in my face for an hour? Or if you are at a movie theater, you can scream the whole time so that nobody can hear the film? Or you can order people to kill someone? Or you can state that someone is a child molester without any evidence? Obviously, there are limits to free speech.

[@fredgarvinMP]

@@paulmoulton7248 TikTok has the right to defend itself.

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

Totally agree with Glen.

[@microfarming8583]

Glenn is a true hero once heralded by institutions like the Guardian who are now sadly mouthpieces for governments and big business interests. We need independent journalists like him in 2024. Thank you for your service Sir!

[@barryhobbs3743]

The Guardian has been a mouthpiece for the right for a very long time, do you honestly believe if you, the establishment wanted to influence people from the left you'd do it through the media from the right, they use the Guardian because people from the left trust it, foolishly.

[@pedrogorilla483]

They forgot to mention what Ben Shapiro did to Candace Owens.

[@nycgweed]

I know I haven’t heard from her for a while. What happened?

[@user-ch4mm7dy3g]

Private company,not state-owned paid by taxpayers'money

[@Dolphia]

Ben fired her for tweeting "Christ is King " apperently that is antisemtic hate speech to him and his zionist buddies 😅​@@nycgweed

[@thomaslee1982]

@@nycgweed She hurt Ben's feelings on Israel First and took a couple charlatan rabbis to task in debate. Her and Daily Wire parted ways.

[@madogNikky]

@@nycgweedgag order from daily wire while they were supposedly trying to schedule a debate.

[@herzchen666]

Freddie and Glenn are both absolutely invited to my fantasy dinner party! Glenn is one of my favorite people currently alive whom I don't personally know. Namaste.

[@microfarming8583]

David Icke should be head of the table.

[@organboi]

May I attend too? Except I'm a bit scared of your screen name.

[@timeisfleeting2452]

I don't class this gentleman with journalists. They are a dishonest and career oriented lot. Glenn is something else. A powerful truth teller. One of the few writers I absolutely trust. It's not a left or right thing. It's an integrity thing, and a courage thing. Greenwald has that in spades. We need a new word for people like that. Long live GG!

[@tayoukachukwu3105]

This is one of the best 40 mins discussion on respect for free speech and tolerance in a pluralistic society that I have listened to. Very insightful and should be heard by billions. Thanks for inviting and talking to Glenn. In recent times, he has become one of my most trusted journalists and one of the most consistent defenders of the rights to free speech and association. Glenn helped me to see the inconsistencies of many conservatives and right wing influencers as regards defending the rights to free speech and association. Glenn has also been consistent in fighting the neocons and warmongers in the US and the world at large. We need more peace and less wars in this world and Glenn has been on the right side of history. He, Michael S., Saggar of BP, and a few others have truly been more consistent defenders of the rights to free speech and association and hope you guys continue to work together. We need more defenders now more than ever. Keep it up👏👏👏👏👏

[@CLCL748]

Glenn is a true free speech absolutist and I totally agree with him. Free speech is non negotiable. The minute you start making exceptions, it’s a very slippery slope and free speech is under the bus.

[@ywtcc]

It's a completely dysfunctional position he's taking. The kind of freedom of speech that's practiced in America is apparently compatible with a total absence of credible journalism. It's compatible with fraudulent economics, and fraudulent psychology. It's compatible with local governments denying all rights to the homeless, for example. American Liberalism is 100% compatible with slavery. It's a defunct ideology that's been repeatedly refuted, and effectively made unconstitutional with the civil war amendments. You want to know what the actual issue is? Your rights aren't worth anything unless you're willing to hold public officials accountable for denying them. They're also not worth anything if public officials have granted themselves the right to ignore anyone without an attorney. Liberal rights are not a new thing. Start talking about holding public officials accountable, and you'll make those rights accessible to the people that actually need them. Don't look for political wisdom from American Liberals and Libertarians. They're routinely in violation of their own laws, and without rule of law, you don't have any protecting against rights abuses whatsoever.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

There is no such thing as a "free speech absolutist." This is an epithet intended to throw shade on true advocates of First Amendment law.

[@squatch545]

He's not a free speech absolutist. He supports defamation laws.

[@CLCL748]

@@squatch545Free speech protects all opinions while defamation is defined as a statement of fact that happens to be false. So you can be a free speech absolutist (in favor of protecting all opinions) and support defamation laws (laws against false facts presented as true). Two different things.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@CLCL748 Just to be clear: no general rule against presenting untrue statements as true would be consistent with the First Amendment. Even lying isn't, as a general matter, illegal or actionable. It could be protected speech. See US v. Alvarez.

[@miophx8283]

Thank you for bringing on Glenn Greewald. He's a very important alternative news voice.

[@terryirvine2472]

Glen Greenwald is great

[@nycboogie]

Beyond

[@macgp44]

Greenwald is one of a small group of American journalists I strongly trust. He has integrity. Mainstream media doesn't.

[@stripey7303]

The reason for the rise of calls for censorship is that social media are allowing people to access ideas and information that those in power don't want them to know about. Now that the traditional gatekeepers are unable to keep these marginalized, new tactics are being employed to that end.

[@yeeeeeha]

So they are doing what China and North Korea do

[@sylvester2294]

Never lit a crisis go to waste!! Money and weapons....hurrah!!

[@TedKidd]

I tend to not enjoy Freddy self-righteous egotism. But as you might expect an interview with Glenn Greenwald is worth it.

[@BP-xe7dw]

Yes coupled with his passive aggressive element.

[@jvm-tv]

Glenn is the gold standard of journalistic integrity. Very few like him I know.

[@adek2989]

Best guest ever.

[@rabbitcreative]

All of it is 'free' or none of it is 'free'.

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

Indeed. It is all or none. You are either wholly free or wholly enslaved. There is no half way.

[@fredgarvinMP]

You're either a free speech absolutist or you're not for free speech.

[@BenMJay]

Kinda crazy the UK has no free speech. Just a tyrannical state IMO.

[@robertcambareri1028]

Best comment yet on the whole "Free Speech" issue.

[@Silence_Duder_Gooder]

It's funny, because when free people, like me, show others who _aren't_ free from some sort of social constraints, and show those people that you're _truly_ free, and _can't be tethered_ by conventional BS, they HATE YOU FOR IT. Yeah... they HATE YOU FOR IT. I love the irony of all of this stuff. It drives my writing.

[@robertholland7558]

Some off us simply do not subscribe to the “ chosen people” with a covenant over the so-called holy land philosophy.

[@JB-gr6om]

The reason they try to equate words with violence, is they want to use violence against words.

[@Jonathanismyname]

It’s nice to see UNHERD stepping out of the echo chamber amd having someone as consistent on the issue of free speech as Glenn.

[@sertaoexpedicoes]

I love Glenn! Great to see him here.

[@petropupkinsky3529]

Freedom of speech is very important - that's why we put those who dare speaking against us behind bars.

[@TharpaRinchen]

Agree with Glenn on 100%

[@RobRaptor49]

Interesting to learn a bit more about Glenn! Always enjoy hearing his views - he is often insightful and knowledgeable.

[@djsouf5604]

Appreciate the host he seems to be a bit more informed since his interview with John Mersheimer

[@user-kz5ss3cj3b]

HUGE Fan of Glenn Greenwald.

[@gemmadavies2922]

In the light of this awakening, I hope UnHerd can take a few moments to look into what happened to Jeremy Corbyn.

[@andybrice2711]

The _"Visibly Jewish"_ guy in London (Gideon Falter) totally was trying to cause trouble though. He's a powerful Israeli activist who has campaigned to ban the protests. And by most accounts he was repeatedly and deliberately pushing through the crowd with security guards and a cameraman. The policeman used a poor choice of words. But he was just trying to prevent violence between opposing groups.

[@gorkasillero]

Funnily enough, the Met police didn't have any problem with the 'Kill the Jews' and 'Gas the Jews' chants.

[@ef2718]

Why would it be violence rather than vocal arguments?

[@andybrice2711]

@@ef2718 Because he was aggressively pushing through the crowd with a couple of burly security guys, and then disingenuously claiming he was just going for a walk. He wasn’t trying to engage them in debate. I think it’s pretty obvious he was trying to provoke a physical or verbal attack. And he didn’t even get one. So instead he went after a well-meaning policeman for a poor choice of words.

[@ef2718]

@@andybrice2711 Last weekend the demonstrations were tight even mixed with policemen in the middle but not buffering.

[@andybrice2711]

@@ef2718 How do you mean? Protestors and counter-protestors intermingled? I think that’s mostly fine, and the police who stopped Falter possibly overreacted. I saw Konstantin Kisin go and debate the protestors. Some were civil, and some were angry. But none were threatening.

[@seanoreilly915]

This was a fantastically nuanced discourse. Thank you for making me face uncomfortable questions.

[@sanjaybhatikar]

Calls for jihad are not violence?

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Nope

[@rachaelik]

No. Not until such calls cross the line into attempts to foment specific acts. You can watch this escalation in the case of Rwanda.

[@TugHillGuy]

This was probably the most comprehensive and best podcast coverage I've yet to see/hear on the concept of freedom of speech.

[@ellyharris4345]

Bless you Glenn and thankyou for your journalism. Thankyou Unheard. good job

[@gerhard7323]

The right to free speech is ultimately there to protect those with whom you disagree NOT those with whom you agree.

[@HenryThree]

I may slightly disagree with his characterization of the campus protests, but I have mad respect for his steadfast consistency in his free speech advocacy. He is one of the few "free speech warriors" that is operating from a place of principle instead of opportunism.

[@tonquinb]

Glenn is a national Treasure...logical,consistant. An important voice to be heard

[@lindapratt119]

Thank you Glenn Greenwald!

[@user-oe4iu4xs2k]

Glen seems principled on the issue of free speech. I agree with him that it’s a right which needs to be defended fairly from all sides.

[@7777wilson1]

That was a fantastic discussion gentleman, Well Done👏 Unheard, plz have another back&forth with Glenn & yourself 🤟🙏✌️

[@gailclough1665]

Great chat

[@tinasmith1391]

At this point I think our internet is a lost cause. It would probably be best to build another one from the ground up and not let corporations control it. I can say the same of our government too.

[@squatch545]

Property damage is not violence either.

[@johnaguirre9196]

Sayers makes the point.Censorship comes hand in hand with mass surveillance and the control of information generally,especially increased, using the internet.

[@spiceinsights]

My like is for Glenn.

[@wisedup20]

Excellent interview.Glenn is a treasure to journalism.

[@larrye3602]

Government needs to break itself up. It should focus on those things that only it can do. Its a referee, not a player, not a coach, not an owner.

[@martinliehs2513]

I oppose monopolies as well, be they in government or the corporate sector. Usually, the corporate monopolies are enabled by governments.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

Both facile points of view here. Competing governments is civil war. You're not thinking this through

[@clairetimberlake5892]

Glenn Geenwald is brilliant. He is my favorite source of news.

[@stardust5467]

Freddie Sayers is at pains to tell us, more than once, that he does not agree with all of Greenwald's views. So what?

[@mousiebrown1747]

Remembering, from the ‘60’s & ‘Nam, the protest songs 🎵🎶🎵🎶 ((4 dead in Ohio; etc.)). Those of us who lived thru the US’s ‘Nam adventures, 🎵🎵 “Won’t Be Fooled Again”!! 🎶🎶. We know how to “Find the cost of Freedom……”. ✊🏻🕊🗽

[@galah771]

Excellent. Thank you both

[@stripey7303]

In the US, nationalizing social media would automatically put them under the purview of the First Amendment. Short of that, we should call for legislation defining them as common carriers.

[@dogeared100]

Need it to enforce civil rights.

[@karenness5588]

Glad you're hanging in there, Freddy. Kudos.

[@fellsmoke]

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

[@jacksonfrost9710]

greenwald is my favourite journalist, i think, perhaps after taibbi. but the casual "a study has now proved that 99% of these protesters were perfectly non-violent" is asinine. there is "a study" to show anything one wants to show -- including, lately, that cowe farming is supposedly carbon-positive, funded, as one might expect, by boviculture conglomerates. i am on the UT campus, which certainly did not see anything close to the worst of these protests, and i personally witnessed two obvious assaults in one single heated afternoon. free speech is fine, even when people are saying asinine things. but hysterically emotional mobs are awful, and *obviously* they invite violence, even from those who would in any other context never dream of perpetrating it. let's not rely on ideologically weighted "studies" to hagiograph stupid kids doing stupid things, even when we want to defend in principle their right to do them.

[@shahlaahy4372]

Exactly!

[@My56David]

Un Heard, thank you again for another compelling interview!

[@thewrightoknow]

I am with Glenn, I am for free speech especially if I think it is offensive!

[@bperez8656]

There is no such thing as HATE SPEECH. It doesn’t exist!!!

[@dogeared100]

Wait until you are it's target.

[@antonyliberopoulos933]

Freddie and Glenn, thank you for this superb content that improved my understanding about what is happening with the war on free speech.

[@colourgrouppainting4281]

Greenwald is so refreshing and measured.

[@jashanssandhu]

Thanks!

[@VelkePivo]

Glenn is the most {only?) principled journalist we have.

[@MaxwellPowers666]

Matt Taibbi, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Alex Berenson, Michael Shellenberger, Seymour Hersh, Chris Hedges, Abby Martin....I can go on.

[@paulwhetstone0473]

I enjoyed hearing Glen’s POV and Freddie’s push back.

[@ferhanfikret8990]

Why are you sure you disagree on a bunch of stuff? Seems like an odd way to start a conversation about free speech

[@neovxr]

Freddy knew for sure that Glenn would take up the challenge. Glenn's answers were wise and consistent.

[@ddk567t]

Freddie is quite silly at times.

[@robertholland7558]

Sticks and stones might break my bones, which will heal, but words will never hurt me, unless we let them.

[@jacobcohen9205]

The limits of 'free speech are clearly defined in the US, at least.

[@fredgarvinMP]

And they are VERY few.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

​@@fredgarvinMP💯 Precisely.

[@jacobcohen9205]

@@fredgarvinMP, Which is what we all want. Isn't it, as few as possible?

[@hungrydave1977]

Greenwald is a real one

[@shayestehbybordi458]

Glenn Greenwald ! My hero , You need to be protected .🙏

[@HatefYaminiOnline]

Thank you for allowing Glenn’s to speak on this topic

[@ComradeFromRhody401]

Bless Glenn Greenwald🙏🙏🙏

[@SeekerofknowlegeandTruth-ci3hs]

Great discussion.

[@TheHappyNAPster]

I agree with Glenn on most things but not the idea that government should break up monopolies. The long history of regulatory capture by corporations should provide ample evidence for this. The monopolies that do need to be broken are the central banks, especially the Federal Reserve Bank of the US (the Fed) which prints money at the behest of the government, creating the not-so-hidden regressive tax of inflation that most harms the working class and anyone trying to save for the future.

[@Ellerich800]

Exactly. And do we want China's tech giants, with their government's control, become the global gatekeepers of information with an AI promoting their authoritarian social credit system. Smaller is not necessarily better.

[@ohsweetmystery]

We do NOT have a free market and government regs are what allow these monopolies to happen, so the government has a responsibility to break up those monopolies which would never have occurred without government interference in the first place.

[@TheHappyNAPster]

@@ohsweetmystery I know we don't have a free market, but saying the government has the responsibility to fix the problem it created and actually expecting that to happen is a bit fanciful. Corporations are recognized in the US as "legal persons" by the govt. Perhaps that needs to be changed so that the human beings who run said corporations can actually be held responsible for their actions, rather than granting blanket immunity as was done with pharmaceutical companies.

[@psmorgan2542]

Would love to see a conversation between Glenn Greenwald, Norm Finkelstein, Douglas Murray and Sam Harris, and moderated by Alex O’Connor.

[@nunyabidness3075]

He touches on an important concept. “Counter protests” should not be allowed against protests that are permitted. Cities and law enforcement need to understand this. OTOH, protests on private property without permission, or without permits should get no such protection. In fact, those protestors might be culpable much like robbers are culpable for damages they did not intentionally create during their robberies.

[@mbrochh82]

Here's a ChatGPT summary: - Glenn Greenwald discusses the recent shooting of Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico and the media's rush to assign political motives without evidence. - Greenwald emphasizes the importance of not making assumptions about the shooter's motives until concrete evidence is available. - He highlights the tendency of people to attribute political motives to acts of violence, which can often be due to psychological issues. - Greenwald discusses the pro-Israel bias in the United States and the impact of social media on shaping perceptions of the Israel-Palestine conflict. - He points out that while social media allows for more diverse voices, it can also distort reality through selective anecdotes. - Greenwald argues that free speech should be protected even when it makes people uncomfortable, drawing a line only at physical violence and direct incitement. - He criticizes the conflation of anti-Israel sentiment with anti-Semitism, noting that many Jews are part of pro-Palestinian protests. - Greenwald discusses the hypocrisy of some right-wing free speech advocates who support censorship when it aligns with their views, particularly regarding Israel. - He defends his own consistency in supporting free speech, citing his history of defending unpopular views, including those he personally disagrees with. - Greenwald attributes the current trend of censorship to a cultural shift where people expect to be protected from uncomfortable ideas, extending from college campuses to workplaces. - He criticizes the rise of the "disinformation" industry, which he argues is a tool for political censorship disguised as neutral expertise. - Greenwald calls for breaking up big tech monopolies to ensure a competitive market for ideas and prevent centralized control over information. - He suggests that government should stay out of internet censorship but could play a role in ensuring transparency and fairness in how tech companies manage content. - Main message: The defense of free speech must be consistent and principled, even when it involves protecting views one finds disagreeable, to prevent the rise of authoritarian control over information.

[@JamesBenedictFitzGerald]

when the stress gets high enough ALL systems break to reveal their issues

[@FreeSpeechWilderness]

Glenn Greenwald has maintained his integrity by always sticking to his principles.

[@YekunoAmlak333]

Love you Glenn! You are a courageous warrior for truth.

[@pratahsinnetamby]

Glenn is always brilliant.

[@SonnyJangard]

Very interesting talk.

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

Those who are offended by other people's speech have no right to speak because their speech may offend other people.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Precisely.

[@laurenpaer252]

Glenn Greenwald for President!!

[@pepperkoop]

The double G!!

[@brianbozo2447]

Glen is so éloquent and obviously intelligent.

[@toddherman2020]

Greenwald level headed

[@tzvigrossman1872]

Yep a level-headed liar...

[@AR-ke8wg]

U should listen and be grateful for the truth glen greenwald speaks 💪

[@inamedunic9749]

Glen🥰

[@KellyWalsh-rf1gu]

Glen 💖🙏

[@petneb]

That's right

[@HC-xl2en]

It's too late. Even if these platforms were broken up, they'd all own each other.

[@artistphilb]

Hey that "visibly jewish guy" was trying to get an anti semitic reaction for his camera crew, and if you watch the other footage you can see the police telling him that he can't walk against the flow of the crowd, he failed to get his anti semitic click bait and the best he could do was get the police who were just trying to prevent trouble to say something inept

[@wayneworkman3436]

It was fall of 2014 in Ottawa.

[@sylvester2294]

Glenn just uttered one of those famous Shakespeare Phrases....Me thinks he does protest too much....!

[@ohsweetmystery]

SCOTUS has said only direct and immediate threats are actionable.

[@michaelgawthorn9639]

Glen Greenwald is the most articulate and informed individual on the internet.

[@runderwo]

I've been reading Glenn Greenwald since 2005 and my trust that his point of view is independent and prioritizes human freedom and flourishing has only increased with time.