Rhaenyra the Cruel - Dragon Time with Schwift and Glidus (House of the Dragon S2E02)

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[@Glidus]

🥁BEHOLD THE WORKS OF GLAENYRA THE SCHWRUEL 🥁 sorry we're late this week, intention is to get these out the same day each episode airs. this week's was belayed by other projects, its sheer length, and youtube copyright shenanigans - the full cut was published on nebula and patreon over two days before this version. so yeah it's pretty cool to have platforms where youtube's systems aren't a hindrance to productivity. if i were to attempt to put THE FAKE JON SNOW on youtube in full, it would drive me completely insane, probably take more than double the time it took to produce the video itself, and it would be a mangled and borderline unwatchaeble mess. fortunately you can watch that, and our full HOTD discussions at go.nebula.tv/glidus for as little as $2.50 per month. ty for doing a spons mr nebula ✨ this video is available in full: nebula.tv/videos/altschwiftx-schwift-and-glidus-discuss-hotd-s2e02?ref=glidus THE FAKE JON SNOW: nebula.tv/videos/altschwiftx-the-fake-jon-snow?ref=glidus this is all bonus content that was never going to be published on youtube in the first place.

[@domi6026]

Gligar I’m kinda of broke this paycheck so how much time is the $2.50/month option on Nebula going to be available?

[@Gatinois]

I still really hope you gonna release those videos on KZbin in the future.

[@JoshuaJohnson7334g]

i think this episode was better than a glon for a schlon

[@mistmanjones3555]

When are you going to finish your telltale series?

[@nicksayswatzup]

Would it be possible to also get this edited down version on Nebula as well? Would love to be able to watch there to avoid the KZbin ads

[@QuinnTheGM]

The lone wolf dies but the cheese dog survives

[@user-zu2jo7zz4d]

🦵 🐕

[@lukaslambs5780]

What if it’s a Godfather situation where the dog just showed up on set and the actors and director were just like “alright this is a thing now”

[@lukevinyard8801]

Just watched the Cersei Winds video, great stuff

[@Omnininja2]

What if cheese warg'd into his dog? HMMMMMMM

[@shadowdemon2272]

How soon can we expect the "Chilli Analyzed" video?

[@donrobport2606]

Timestamps Start: 0:00 End 1:43:35

[@tajwar07]

Stop the cap lil bro

[@skipmcilvaine]

😂

[@caruzo9631]

thank you so much i was so lost without it!

[@obviouslyPSM]

This is the quiet quitting of YT timestamps and I’m here for it

[@cupofcait]

Thank you, hero

[@crealiv]

"this is either fanservice or schizophrenia" is the perfect description of knowing asoiaf lore while watching HOTD

[@jessjess23brooks89]

I've learned through chatting with normal people online about this show that we all sound kind of crazy and unhinged. The amount of radio silence and confusion I get when I mention the theory that Larys is actually warging the rats and communing with the weirwood net makes me rethink my social skills.

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

​​@@jessjess23brooks89"And, and and..." *Cackles* "Get this! The Maesters are controlling everything! They killed the dragons! The caused Robert's rebellion! It's been them all long!" "Why...hey come back! I'm not done!"

[@basinga9693]

Whats asoiaf? Im german 😅

[@jacksonbehrens461]

@@basinga9693abbreviation of A song of ice and fire, the name of the game of thrones books

[@kekero540]

@@thaneofwhiterun3562not me thinking it is Mezaria who will be the Shepard. Fuck dragons! Fuck Valyria! Valyria is evil! I also believe that Septon Barth may have founded the conspiracy against dragons.

[@noramay6523]

glidus brainrot has gotten so bad that when criston cole said he was abed i turned to my bf and pointed at the screen like that one wojack

[@maxgrozema1093]

I did the same with my brother hahaha

[@SwampGreen14]

Same. We are all so cooked. Why did you have to do this to us George.

[@thewerdna]

​@@SwampGreen14this is what over a decade without a new book does to a person. We have all long since been driven to insanity and depravity

[@eren__morwen5947]

Same

[@pastapalads5598]

I did the same except I don't have a girlfriend 😔😔

[@buckledben]

“Rise and grind, your grace” “someone poisoned the anthrax!” - Glidus moments

[@Young.Supernovas]

"I've got some unfortunate news about faces... they're ALL skull shaped"

[@sa_exploder]

I’m keeping “they poisoned the anthrax!” in my back pocket. 10/10 line, I hope to use it someday.

[@Soapylemonlad845]

Can we all please just agree that Otto's "what?"at being told Criston is handling Rhaenyra, is the best delivered line in fiction.

[@trippersigs2248]

The first Westorosi "Bruh" Moment.

[@matthewmarkham5096]

“And what plan have you two geniuses cooked up?”

[@alocii]

Otto this episode was so funny while never being actually funny haha

[@zamalamahama4894]

His fucking slow head turn towards Criston. I can’t 😂😂😂

[@candymoir6191]

The Otto scene is a whole damn mood 😂

[@TimothyMReynolds]

The reason n the opening titles didn’t update is that Helaena was too sad to embroider this week.

[@AugustRx]

weak.

[@denawagner360]

I shouldn't have laughed, but I did. No apologies 😂

[@kookiemonstergirl532]

That is so sad but hopefully she catches up before the next episode

[@TheQuashingoftheTub]

Genius. Edit: This part of the reply was not added at first because the App decided the time to add the reply was Now. I have a feeling the logistical reason was not revealing Jaehaerys' body yet. Next episode is also the first time we see him up close, during Daemon's Harrenhal-flavored acid trip.

[@ginao6810]

awwwwwww

[@AfterlifeAnubis]

WHILST YOU WERE AHORSE... COUPLING!

[@sentientmustache8360]

ENGAGED IN BEHAVIORS UNBECOMING OF A QUEEN!

[@spacecowboy5486]

IN THE MIDST OF A SINFUL PROCEDURE FITTING ONLY OF A SOCKLESS WENCH

[@adamm2091]

SOME GOOD MAY YET COME OF THIS

[@almostblank4025]

who was a horse?

[@alliecore225]

​@@almostblank4025everybody, westeros is secretly equestria

[@aeridhel]

Lets not diminish the Glidus effect, the first Google result for Tyrek Lannister is 'Tyrek Lannister is a horse', and I think that's a beautiful thing.

[@hillbillypowpow]

Well without that, the only things that it might autocomplete would be "dead," "missing," or maybe "wife." None of the theories surrounding his disappearance are terribly popular or widely discussed, and he didn't have anything going on beside that. This is, of course, in contrast to Glidus' other totally legitimate theories, like Hot Pie being the Shrouded Lord, which is probably even more likely but overlooked.

[@Penguin545]

I just verified this is true 😂

[@lupine.spirit161]

At this point I consider it common knowledge

[@thesinistersiblings705]

Wait, so ser Criston being "a bed", now it makes even more sense why Alicent was bouncing on him.

[@chrissiek8706]

Criston The Springy Mattress 😂

[@kevaughnmerrill6534]

Go to the black cells! 😂

[@DarksideGmss0513]

Gerion Lannister = a bed confirmed?

[@shanestevens5352]

They weren’t having sex. She was just getting ready to go to sleep and he was accommodating her with a place to sleep

[@pelinalwhitestrake9306]

I was really confused why alicent was sitting on criston. Thanks for clearing it up!😊

[@trustypatches4042]

I love that Jace subscribes to the idea that just because Laenor isnt his father, that doesn't mean he wasn't Jace's dad. Just seems like a very healthy way to view their relationship.

[@hillbillypowpow]

And he's comfortable talking about it with his fiance, a feat not achieved in any other relationship in this show aside from Aemond and Sylvie

[@nealfirstofhisname]

​@@hillbillypowpow Stepsister/cousin/2nd-cousin once removed/fiancée.*

[@hillbillypowpow]

@@nealfirstofhisname they also share two half siblings from opposite sides. There's not a word for that but it's pretty fucked up

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

@@hillbillypowpow I believe the technical term is a Targaryen pretzel.

[@KabbalahSherry]

Well tbf, the "Strong" boys were technically legitimized, by being given the Velaryon name. Laenor really WAS his father, by the law, and, by order of the King & all! Hell, Vicerys even threatened to take the tongue of anybody who dare claim otherwise. And of course a lot of that had to do with his love for Rhaenyra sure, however, when you're given a House's name, and made the head of that House's heir... that should be that! People really shouldn't be questioning it or making a huge deal about it. It would be like throwing it in the face of an adopted person, that their parents aren't really biologically their parents. But let's be clear: the Hightowers always would have stolen Rhaenyra's crown from her regardless of who the father of her children was. THEY want the power. And they hate the idea of being ruled by a woman, when Vicerys has a child with a penis, right there. 😂 lol They were ALWAYS going to start this war. Rhaenyra having "Strong" kids, is simply a convenient excuse they get to use.

[@mestarimake666]

Biggest missed opportunity in the whole episode was when Aegon asked Cole what he was doing and the man did not respond with "Your mom"

[@martind5653]

It might have been little tactless at that particular time.

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@martind5653 Also if Crispy said that he'd have to kill himself immediately afterwards.

[@wildboystv3013]

Hopefully as a joke during 1 of the takes the actor said that.

[@TheLeadhound]

​@@alanpennie8013He would probably just make someone else do it.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@TheLeadhound There are definitely downsides to being a member of The Kingsguard.

[@ShubertReads]

"Some people were curious... But not curious enough to read!" KZbin summed up in 5 seconds.

[@Melanie_Dawn]

Honestly, the scene where Alicent tries to confess and Otto replies with “I do not wish to hear of it” took me out; I was dying laughing. I am one of three girls, and something I’ve heard my dad say a few times when referring to my sisters and I is “I don’t ask questions I don’t wanna know the answer to.” To me, Otto‘s response was the most ‘dad’ coded he’s ever been in this show

[@lovefromshirley]

Right it's also the most Viserys-like he's been. Nope, don't tell me what I can already insinuate hellfire daughter of mine thanK YOU

[@wafflingmean4477]

@@lovefromshirley Yeah pretty sure Otto already knew and just didn't want to hear it out loud.

[@Arkios64]

@@lovefromshirley He finally realized why Viserys was so mad about being told about Rhaenyra and Daemon, now that he's in the same position.

[@djohnson2499]

My gf, one of three sisters, did the exact same thing.

[@xrphoenix7194]

Cheese was such a successful rat trapper because he was a warg. He warged the rats, suicided them into his traps, and profited. On his grindset

[@guibass2000]

He was arat

[@theswagman1263]

Should've warged a rat to find the right bedroom

[@miscellaneousgab]

Work smarter not harder

[@arvaakuka8568]

I unironically like this theory. It sounds very "Georgesque".

[@bh3855]

Why not warg the king and make him give him whatever he wants.

[@infinitesquarez]

11:18 "This is either fanservice or schizophrenia" is how I describe the last decade of ASOIAF theorycrafting.

[@shortdrink873]

The trajectory from ‘figuring out the entire plot’ over the first couple of years after aDoD to ‘no new info, nothing is real?’ has been truly remarkable

[@fy4b230]

I was taking care of my dad this past weekend and he’s never seen GoT or anything related. We watched this episode together and the looks he had were priceless. “See dad, those 2 are married and he’s her uncle” “That guy chopped off that 4 year olds head” “That guy in fetal position with a sapphire eye, is the blonde woman’s, you know the incest one, I guess brother from another mother and he killed her son, who she didn’t have with her uncle and is a bastard.” And that’s just some of the things I had to explain during the episode. His reaction after…”that was some great TV. Writers may be a little odd, but those people can act. Let’s do this again, next Sunday.”

[@Melanie_Dawn]

I had a very similar experience last week. My best friend‘s partner has never seen GoT or the first season, but watched the first episode of season two with my friend and I. The ‘previously on’ can only cover so much, leaving way for wild explanations 🤣🤣🤣🤣 “They’re brother and sister but also married with kids, and she can kinda see the future.” Episode ends with Jaehaerys beheaded. “Huh. That was a pretty good show actually.”

[@oculargoose7361]

You explained Aemond incorrectly

[@anguswaterhouse9255]

@oculargoose7361 no he didn’t, “brother from another mother”, Aemond is Rhae’s brother from another mother

[@catchacollapsingstar]

This ending was great 🥰

[@samuelhiatt9338]

Watching the tragedy of Cargyllbowl, when Erryk kills himself, I didn't see it as payment for breaking a moral code as much as just a genuine suicide. He seemed overcome with grief from having killed his own brother and simply committed suicide by falling on his own sword.

[@narcie13]

Exactly. It reminded me of Henry/Sam in TLOU. He killed his brother because he had to to protect someone else, but couldn’t live more than a few seconds with that knowledge/grief. Also if you look at it from the framing that they were “one soul in two bodies,” Erryk essentially died when he killed Arryk anyway.

[@hillbillypowpow]

I don't think you can say it's one without the other. It's not just like he's looking at a checklist and saying "oh I'm a kinslayer now that means I've gotta die, oh well." It's clearly emotionally driven, but he was brought to that point by the moral standards and compacts of his society.

[@jasonpeters617]

Cargyllbowl???? Please don't. Cleganebowl was more than enough "bowl" for 20 shows, let alone 1. Yuck. 🌽🌽🌽-ey

[@jessicafoster2699]

It'd only be a 'bowl' if it had been built up to over many seasons, there's not huge anticipation from the audience waiting for this event, that's what makes something bowlesque 🤣

[@maxsilva11]

Came here to say this. I really don't think there's much evidence that kinslaying requires seppuku, and no one else in the scene seems to think "ah, what a shame, but he was indeed just rectifying his honor / atoning for sin." They're shocked and almost try to stop it (save that he's too quick - which also shows that he anticipated them trying to stop him) because it wasn't expected of him. It was grief.

[@MisterA744]

I LOVE the observation about Rhaenyra understanding children and Alicent not understanding children because of their very different upbringings where one actually got to be a child and the other had to play the role of an adult since childhood. Great catch and brilliant storytelling.

[@dishistan]

rhaenyra also had a lovely, loving mother … I would love to learn more about the just-revealed Alerie Florent, mother to Alicent. (the Florents were still very salty about the Tyrells ruling the reach post-conquest)

[@hillbillypowpow]

Even more specifically, Rhaenyra grew up as a princess, like Alicent's children. Alicent didn't grow up royal, she isn't closer to a god than a man. She could relate to them way more than Alicent, it's too bad those children never really had their sister in their lives, could've been a good influence

[@alexissimpson5819]

Excuses for Alicent

[@EKFN117]

​@@alexissimpson5819huh?

[@Alegend.91]

The way Helaena referred to Jahaerys as “the boy” reminded me of how the Free Folk don’t name their child until they’re older in case they don’t make it. Maybe Helaena dreamed that he wouldn’t make it so she didn’t “name” him, in the same vein

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

I felt like it was symbolic of how she doesn’t differentiate between the kids more than that. She cares for both of them equally, unlike pretty much everyone else, so her saying "they killed the boy" is her finally recognising that him being the boy mattered. Could also be her not wanting to say his name, which I'm sure will have no negative psychological consequences on his sister with almost the exact same name

[@carlrood4457]

I think with Otto, it was the realization that he'd completely lost control of this thing he'd spent about two decades trying to bring about. He knows this whole thing is his fault and there's no way to keep it from being as bloody as possible.

[@Vesporeon]

Viserys, Daemon, Alicent, and Rhaenyra are also at fault to a major degree Trying to tie a continent-wide civil war to a single person is silly. It'd be like saying WWI was all Gavrillo's fault, or Bismarck's

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

​​@@VesporeonTrue, and it's fair to say that if Alicent and Viserys were half decent, loving parents to their kids this whole thing could be sorted out rather transparently. But one can't ignore that this entire mess is basically a direct result of Otto's powerplays and scheming.

[@laurenbastin8849]

yeah Otto may not have sown the conflict singlehandedly but he is by far the figure most responsible, he has driven basically every stage of the war

[@matthewmarkham5096]

@@VesporeonEh, if we have to blame one person though, it’s Otto. He pushed Viserys into making Rhaenyra heir, but only because he wanted Daemon gone. Then he sowed dissent and planned treason amongst the small council to put Aegon on the throne. Everyone else’s actions in the story were largely reactions or answers to conflicts he started. Always claiming the moral high ground that he wanted peace for the realm, but he always put his families ascension above it all.

[@Vesporeon]

@thaneofwhiterun3562 The specifics (Hightower-backed Targ dynasty vs Rhaenyra-Daemon-Velaryon front) yes, but the generalities (civil war in general), no. Viserys was always going to remarry, and if it wasn't Alicent then it'd be Laena; Corlys is one of the few people alive more ambitious, skilled, and dedicated than Otto, and he's got the resources to push for it far more than a 2nd son with no lands of his own does. With a remarriage comes the possibility of a son, and then you're pretty much back to square one, especially if he's Corlys' blood For the Dance to be avoided, a great deal of action was required from almost every major involved party. I'll lay out just a few here Viserys either needed to marry Rhaenyra to Daemon or Aegon to combine the claims, call a Great Council and get enough lords to work out a solid system of inheritance (absolute primogeniture), or not push Rhaenyra in the first place. As usual, he proved to be indecisive right up till the moment he had to choose (Aemma's botched pregnancy, walking to the Iron Throne despite his pain), but this often only pushed the problem down the road as it didn't actually address the source Rhaenyra, for her part, should've not been so blaise in regards to dealing with other houses, building good relations with them instead of being snarky and knocking them down a peg (Jason and Lady Redwyne at the royal hunt, Boremund at Storm's End, going away to Dragonstone for years and allowing the Greens to establish control over KL). Westeros is a patriarchal and sexist society and she knows what happened to Rhaenys at the Great Council. Rhaenys who was married to the richest and most influential man in the realm, Rhaenys who was older, more experienced, had the backing of House Baratheon, and rode a larger, more dangerous dragon than Rhaenyra's own, still lost out to Viserys, who had no dragon of his own and no blood ties to any great house apart from his own (Targaryen), with Daemon being the only figure of note especially motivated to back him no matter what. She also should've had her first kid(s) with Harwin, as it's definitely known that Targ phenotype usually loses out to most other ones (books make this stronger with Rhaenys and her black hair being a major example in living memory). I'm not really sure what she was doing on Dragonstone all those years, since she should've been making tours across the realm to make herself a known quality to many lords, especially as she ends up having three kids to offer betrothals in the far future. She also should've tried to establish a better relationship with her half-siblings, which one can assume she didn't really try to do based on the royal hunt episode where she's beefing with a literal infant Daemon needed to learn some impulse control and also how to admit when he's wrong. Heir for a Day should've never been said, and once it was he should've been far more clear in defending himself than he was. He never should've pulled the Rhaenyra-brothel scheme as it simply fucked things up for both of them plus Viserys. He could've used the post-Stepstones victory euphoria to cultivate popular approval and ingratiate himself further to Viserys, bring up the idea of marrying Rhaenyra in a slow, subtle fashion, and get Rhaenyra herself on board to help convince as well. In short, Daemon should've not been Daemon Alicent (and Viserys) should've been more involved as a parent with Aegon, as his nihilistic attitude screams neglect. She also shouldn't have been so hostile to the Strong boys, as causing dissent and hatred between her kids and Rhaenyra's does nothing to advance her (Alicent's) interests. Both parents (Alicent, Viserys, Rhaenyra, Harwin/Laenor) should've been more attentive and shut down the bullying of Aemond, which came from both sides This is all to show bad the situation was leading into the Dance. Despite the personal grudges and ambitions which dominated it, the war itself was a systemic failure, not unlike the messiness of imperial succession in Rome. This is not to absolve Otto of his own responsibility, he did plenty. Forcing Alicent to go to Viserys was immoral, just as what Corlys did was. He deliberately seeded to Alicent the idea that, if Rhaenyra came to power, her kids were done for. He had plenty of time to try and raise Aegon to be less of a fuck-up. He was ready to execute the coup and would've sent assassins to kill Rhaenyra and Daemon, which, if it failed, would've resulted in a war all by itself. Otto is by no means innocent, maybe even the most faulty of any individual, but, as a whole, he still only plays a fraction of a part in how things played out. The very system and framework Westeros was in was the main problem

[@goonerbeagunner4life]

Fun fact: the historical meaning of "prank" is a wicked deed, rather than its modern meaning of a practical joke. So that's probably what Otto meant by it.

[@vinogr00nko93]

yeah, same goes for when Aegon screams "Villains!" it's nice to see the words used in such different context than they are in the modern speech

[@reasonablyserious]

They still are, mostly

[@sarwatarannya8786]

Is the cole family secretly descended from the first men, which would explain their ability to turn into beds at important moments?

[@blastoiseddr]

Oh my god

[@razcho8969]

He was still in the scene so obviously he didn't turn into a bed, he worged into the bed so only his mind was a bed.

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

Otto choking up at the memory of Viserys got me.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

He misses his besty. And also successfully manipulating his bestie.

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

"Your father...if you were half the wimp he was, none of this would've happened!"

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

The evil grin Otto had when he looked at Aegon and said "is that what you think?”

[@martind5653]

Otto choking up on hearing his daugher's favorite psycho did something he doesn't know about was funniest moment so far.

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

@@Guinnessdrnkr1234 He knew he was about to Psych him out.

[@James-od3hg]

"Amusing content was made in the hours following the release of this HOTD episode." Glimbus and Shwifts retelling of the events in this show through Otto-isms is my favourite bit, long may it continue.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

I interpreted Erryk falling on his sword as more of a "I can't live in a world without my other half being alive". That and also he would never be trusted again because people would constantly question if its really Erryk. From a theme standpoint, the twins were a perfect representation of how this conflict is tearing families apart, and so by showing that both die, it shows that there is no winning side when civil war happens. It's foreshadowing that there will be no victor.

[@im2arrogant118]

It's about kinslaying. The whole first and second episodes explore kinslaying and Erryk dying on his sword exemplifies how an honorable man deals with having committed such a heinous sin.

[@Hana9916]

​@@im2arrogant118Could it be ... about both....?

[@Hana9916]

​@@im2arrogant118It's almost like this show has themes and whatnot

[@im2arrogant118]

@@Hana9916 nah not really. It's kinda stupid to think that they chose different sides in a war and all of a sudden one can't live without the other. It's a very childish interpretation.

[@ironvicho20]

​@@im2arrogant118the only childish thing here is your media literacy. This story has many themes and they all interact between each other. The duel between the Cargyll twins is about kinslaying as much as is about loyalty, brotherly love, and the fact that when the high lords play their games the minor lords and the smallfolk are the ones who suffer.

[@JustforNow-ty5zt]

28:49 I can’t believe Alt Schwift X would steal Alt Schift X’s joke about Rhaenyra going on twitter.

[@sss1029]

Alt Schwift X, formerly Alt Schwift Twitter

[@Blackboyblvd]

It is exactly something scoundrel would do!

[@gokbay3057]

@@sss1029 I choked on air, good job.

[@dylanchouinard6141]

In the hours following Alt Shift X’s livestream…jokes were… commandeered.

[@oeurydice]

1:04:37 - love how in GoT the writers changed Asha to Yara to avoid confusion with Osha, but in HotD they're like "yeah no this is way too much of a mess to bother"

[@Silburific]

"Look, if you're confused, that's your problem. Maybe you should watch something better suited for your attention span, like Peppa Pig or season 8 of GoT."

[@dishistan]

and they fully repeat names! Queen Rhaenys (conquered on meraxes, mother of aenys, reasonable and intelligent ruler) v our Rhaenys (queen who never was, rider of meleys, grandmother to our baela and rhaena) Queen Rhaena (first rider of dreamfyre, wife to aegon the uncrowned and maegor the cruel and (her beard) andrew farman) v our Rhaena (baela’s twin, daughter of daemon & laena) Rhaenyra (all three Rhaes briefly in one scene in season 1 right before vaemond challenged sweet baby luke’s driftmark birthright)

[@kekero540]

Now everyone else gets to suffer alongside every Roman historian after the emperor once again names himself Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus Coronea #12 Then just resort to calling him some nickname he got while a recruit in the legion out of spite.

[@merrittanimation7721]

​@@kekero540 Caligula didn't even get to be a recruit, he was a glorified mascot as a toddler.

[@juanig4198]

1:06:12 honestly aemond is solving his mommy issue in the healthiest way out of everyone in this show

[@masterplokoon8803]

And that prostitute he talks to seems like a genuinely wise person.

[@masterplokoon8803]

And that lady he is seeing seems like a genuinely wise person.

[@frankvandorp2059]

I like it that Aemond goes to a brothel to find a surrogate mom, instead of just banging w****s like Daemon would. I hope they keep taking care to make their characters feel different from each other and not just make Aemond the Daemon of the greens.

[@goShinigami]

Don't tell Glidus but at the start of the scene, we can see the Madame's nipple

[@afrochickenboy]

​@@masterplokoon8803very funny how he's curled up in his little fetal position with a ruby for an eye, venting to a sex worker about how hard his life is. And she's trying to steer it to "yeahhh....you know you guys really fuck things up for us"

[@aliud9904]

Glidus preaching the "grindset" in Otto's voice made me lol

[@louisroy4911]

I thought Otto’s smile when he says he doesn’t want to hear about Alicent’s sin was that he was proud of himself for saying that. Like, he thinks he’s beeing a good father and it’s the closest thing he can say to “I love you” in the form of “I don’t care if you sinned, you’re still my daugther”

[@alanpennie8013]

Agreed.

[@unclephillymya]

"Kinguards have been CCCCOOUPLING following King Viserys The Peaceful death"

[@ColeBresnehen]

@unlcephillymya Phil, you know the wine makes you emotional

[@alexanders8638]

any time "aerion brightflame's wildfire was poisoned" gets referenced, i shriek (it's hilarious and i love it) just a great great start to this

[@muadddib]

"Someone poisened the anthrax" is so perfect too

[@1lomi901]

I feel like the director understood what actors are made for... You place them somewhere and you let them freacking act. Great stuff

[@wildboystv3013]

I disagree. The director kept getting in the way of the brilliant writing snd directing and they did great despite the weird directing. So many odd camera movements and shots this episode and odd choices in ways to film scenes.

[@mazevlad2263]

​@@wildboystv3013what are you even on about ? Like examples ?

[@hertsjosh]

The broken remnants of Viserys' Valyria model being wheeled out of the room in the same scene as Otto being cast aside by Aegon feels like a nod to Otto being the last proper remaining member of Viserys' small council when he was in his prime. Now, there are only the latecomers and Aegon's own appointees left to advise him through the mess to come.

[@MyaMore-cb7zb]

And a horse! Don't forget about the horse (known as Pony the Third)

[@alexisc444]

the dialogue from the daemon and rhaenyra scene will be living in my head for the next month.. “HE WAS NOT AFRAID OF YOU, DAEMON” so gooddd, emma and matt absolutely destroyed

[@matthewmarkham5096]

So damn good. Was really glad we got some clarification on how they both really feel about their weird familial relationships and marriage. Daemon does love his brother and Rhaenyra (as much as a sociopath can) but his jealousy, ambition, and ego are still very much at odds with it.

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

​@matthewmarkham5096 he definitely loves his family deeply, but I think he only actually _values_ them on how closely they resemble him. Viserys was just too different, so despite the clear love they had for each other, they were constantly at odds. He loved young impulsive Rhaenyra, and still does love her, but he seems to value the more mature, temperate 'I have challenges enough' Rhaenyra a lot less. I think the argument they ended up having was a very natural consequence of how Daemon married Rhaenyra pretty much solely based on the memory he had of her as a teenager. She's grown, he hasn't.

[@manaash4316]

Just the TONE of that line. Gawd Emma is fucking incredible. Not to be dramatic, but I'd take a bullet for them.

[@ikram-258]

It was satisfying to see her finaly facing the reality of both deamon as a person and their relationship, rather than her romanticized version of it

[@noahmanus2923]

I think Eryk saying "forgive me your grace" is also him bidding Rhaenyra to forgive him for abandoning his post and duties by killing himself. In that moment he puts the, duty, love and guilt he feels towards his brother over the duties he swore to the most powerful person in Westeros and he does it with out hesitating for a fucking second. And the delivery was gut wrenching as well. You can hear that he truly feels ashamed of what he is going to do but he does it anyway because he basicly killed his soul and without it the body also has no pupose of living anymore.

[@morgankirk7382]

This reminds me of “you swear and swear”. He pledged his loyalty and life and sword to her and then broke that oath by committing the most mortal sin, kinslaying.

[@Longshanks1690]

I want Glidus’ Otto voice to narrate my life with as much deliberately vague and cryptic wording as possible. 😂

[@LatinaLover246]

Cristin Cole’s sad puppy eyes being called out for napping while Someone was being murdered is just. It’s everything man. Thanks glug and shirt

[@laurelsilberman5705]

“I’m a big stwong guy” while being cradled like a fragile baby bird😂 I actually love that they do show how thin Aemond is compared to Aegon who is a little bit more robust, again paralleling his father and Daemon’s difference in build but also the fact that fire and blood says that when Aemond was born and growing up, he was “half his brothers size but twice as fierce” which is obviously a bit of an exaggeration but it does also show that Aemond is not overly muscly? He’s whip thin but still an insanely lethal fighter, which is cool.

[@KrivitskyM]

I've noticed that in S1E8 during the sparring with Ser Criston Cole, Aemond moved in an animalistic way, almost like a snake coiled and ready to spring or a big cat. Showing him to be more cunning, less straightforward.

[@laurelsilberman5705]

@@KrivitskyM well it’s also a basic trade off of mass for speed. Aemond seems incredible fast against ser Criston’s Morningstar swings, but those are slower and wider by nature, Criston is after all also a grown man whose job is to protect others with his body, and thus is far more muscled, whereas Aemond is supposed to be about nineteen, and perhaps hasn’t quite finished filling out yet, and uses that speed provided by his lithe build and ferocity to outwit a stronger opponent and get in close with a risky killing blow.

[@autje1970]

Not having Addam mutter "oysters, clams, and cockles" in that beach scene was a missed opportunity.

[@dachitronmagnus5755]

"The Maesters poisoned Aerion's wildfire" 😭😭😭

[@anaxlouise]

“someone poisoned the anthrax!!” got me good

[@hillbillypowpow]

Who poisoned Aerion's refreshing beverage?

[@melonramune]

the screenshots of criston's blank glassy stare are killing me

[@BegbertBiggs]

You think Ryan is targeting you on purpose with the horse shenanigans but this episode he actually just wants to let us know that Criston Cole likes to cosplay as Abed from Community.

[@soldinwuud841]

47:47 "He wouldn't hurt a fly..." but he'd hurt a bee :(

[@spacecowboy5486]

A beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesbury

[@dr.anaB777]

​@@spacecowboy5486rip lord beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesbury😔🐝🍯

[@Ahoykatieee]

I’m so glad someone else was expecting the head to pop off when the wagon got stuck…I was starting to feel lonely.

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

It's pretty cool that most of us went for "what's the worst thing that could possibly happen?" during that scene and came to the same conclusion

[@i_bims_dana]

I have missed the discussions about House of the blonde angry people so much and so glad that schwifty and glimbus are finally back talking about it

[@110cookie]

I'm completely with you guys that Daemon did say "a son for a son", because Blood directly quoted him to Cheese in a situation where he had no reason to lie. In any case, Cheese didn't contradict him at that point. He didnt say "no, he only said to kill Aemond". So there can be no question that Daemon at least said the words "a son for a son"

[@hillbillypowpow]

Just like the "heir for a day" situation. We know those must have been the words said, but without the tone and exact context Daemon retains some flimsy deniability. Though the only "sons" he could be talking about would be one of Aegon's or Aegon himself as a son of Viscerys.

[@verwirklichbar]

Also, he did say those exact words earlier this episode to Rhaenys

[@Knott4990]

Hi vjDAO😅😊​@@verwirklichbar

[@hillbillypowpow]

​@@verwirklichbarit's weird that none of the content creators I've seen have mentioned that. People were talking all week about whether or not he said those words when he used the exact phrase earlier in the episode. I almost thought I'd imagined that line when nobody brought it up. He definitely used that phrase with blood and cheese, and such ambiguity is totally in line with his character. He would think that gives him plausible deniability while also absolutely getting across the vengeance he wanted from them.

[@warrenhillston5899]

Blood saying "a son for a son" doesn't really prove anything. Daemon used the same line when he was talking to Rhaenys at the beggining of the episode and he explicitly used it in reference to Aemond, so even asuming he told B & C "a son for a son" he clearly meant Alicent's sons, not Helaena's.

[@arianedealswithsocialanxie8170]

Also in the BTS "The House that Dragons Builts" for this episode, we see the letter from Rhaenyra to Borros, the text, in full. So uh, yeah. Maesters.

[@tanfriesen1]

You two are so funny together. I was laughing out loud when you both were talking about Aemond being gleeful about Daemon sending assassins.

[@theshackledgamer799]

I don't think Otto is being dismissive of Alicent as such. Rather, I think Otto holds Alicent in high regard for listening to him and his teachings. Her admitting that she isn't so perfect would force him to face his own imperfections and, like Tywin, that is something Otto just can't handle.

[@frankvandorp2059]

I think he tries to be kind to Alicent when he says " I don't want to hear it", but Alicent perceives it as being dismissive.

[@faithmoir1637]

@@frankvandorp2059his delivery of that line was like the most loving he has been toward alicent like ever. the greens just don’t know how to recognize gestures of care and affection from other members of their family 😿

[@theshackledgamer799]

@@frankvandorp2059 agreed. I think it was his way of saying that she is forgiven regardless.

[@didrikmesicek4825]

Yeah, to me it definitely came off as "Whatever you've done, it doesn't matter now, it'll be alright"

[@RoshDroz]

​@@didrikmesicek4825ditto bro. You're summary is the closest to what I thought we were hearing. I have no idea if Alicent took it differently though

[@NonAnonD]

Too late i already signed up for nebula and started watching the full version. I win.

[@JoshuaJohnson7334g]

Same they have great content and every one should sign up now

[@Grey_OSN]

Hopped on the burner huh Glimbo

[@Brams2777]

They got me too

[@breezeshooter42]

Something I'd like to point out about the dust shot at 49:07 that I don't think you mentioned, it's actually a callback to a very similar shot from the funeral parade where Helaena is focusing on some particles in the air to try and distract herself from her anxiety. So in the same scene where Rhaenyra is looking at her own children, clearly thinking about what Helaena must be going through, there's that pov shot that directly mirrors Helaena's. Brilliant stuff

[@trapdontaris]

these two are talking abt anthrax AND said “Aerion Brightflame” in unison within the first 5 minutes 😭

[@thomaswacker9245]

Alicent was getting the Criston Pole

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

Bedtime Jousting with Ser Criston Pole

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Something that keeps tickling the back of my mind is how Otto treats Alicent. She's a pawn, but also an ally and intelligent collaborator. He seeks a powerful marriage for her and uses her for his own ends. He seemingly ignores his own grandchildren, and when she finally turns to him for emotional support after he pours his heart out to her, he says no. Does anyone else feel like Alicent is an emotional replacement for Otto's wife? Not in any physical sense, but the part she plays in his life of emotional and strategic support while still forcibly kept beneath him and unable to share her own thoughts feels like more of a wife or partner than a daughter.

[@juiceyborger]

i've had the same observations, and this way of describing it really puts a name on all this stuff that's been sitting with me! otto really isn't the nurturing type, huh.

[@DuckSwagington]

I can't wait for the theory on Reddit that goes into a deep dive over how the Maesters poisoned Aerion Brightflame's wildfire to stop him from turning into a dragon.

[@An_actual_walrus]

Regarding the Otto not wanting to hear about Alicents “sins” I interpreted it differently, the entire dynamic has shifted between father and daughter and Otto seemed proud of her. He’s sad, angry, resigned to be a failure and yet he sees his daughter being competent, having learned the best parts of him and yet forging her own path in spite of the absolute mess everyone is in. So the way he smiled and said “I do not wish to hear it” seemed to me to say “whatever it is daughter, I have faith in you and you no longer need me” I might be wrong and Otto is a terrible father but he seemed proud of Alicent in that moment.

[@alanpennie8013]

He is most certainly a terrible father.

[@VS-kf5qw]

I think it can easily be both of those simultaneously. He definitely has emotions, but he's always held himself aloof from Alicent and has never praised her except for when she succeeds at something. I think the way you interpret it is the way he meant it, but when you're in Alicent's position you've got absolutely zero reason to interpret it that way.

[@An_actual_walrus]

@@alanpennie8013 lol that is not up for debate at all. Incidentally he’s also my favorite character.

[@An_actual_walrus]

@@VS-kf5qw I agree completely, especially when it comes to Alicents perspective, I don’t doubt that he loves her, but the game is the most important thing to him, I think he, like so many others on both shows are addicted to it. What I find interesting is that it finally seemed to dawn on him just how addicted to the game he is. It’s telling that right before his scene with Alicent, he was verbally eviscerating Aegon and praising the MAN that Viserys was. Viserys loved his family and avoided the game as much as he could(bad thing to do as a King, but that is another topic) So with the perspective of a dawning realization that all his efforts maybe weren’t worth that much, the context of how even when he praised her, he always talked AT his daughter, and the fact that she is, for all her many flaws, a remarkable woman, it felt different. It felt like two equals. At least to me.

[@Skiivin]

Alicent herself certainly didn’t seem to think of it that way

[@aroguetea3580]

"Let a thousand blossoms bloom as far as im concerned. But every year, 6 Stormlanders die in dragon attacks 😡"

[@shortdrink873]

Pretty sure Aegon is playing with Visery’s ring when he’s crying, which is a nice subtle hint that he’s crying about what Otto said

[@SoranotRoxas]

*Can we just all appreciate how great the acting was in this episode? The cinematography was also really good. Absolutely phenomenal* 👏 💯

[@JW0522]

I can’t believe that there was a secret tunnel mentioned and Glidus didn’t say…. SECRET TUNNELLLLLL!!!

[@leebarbs7176]

SAY THE LINE BART

[@hillbillypowpow]

Too many people are learning about them, now their just tunnels. Though I guess there's about 100 less people that are aware after this

[@JVR.]

1:29:40 I love Rheanyra’s inexplicable movements here so much. It’s the imagery of petting a cat but the cat moves out of your reach and then looks at you expecting to be pet and so you move closer to pet it more but it does the same thing again and aw, kitty…

[@manaash4316]

"I feel disgusting because I almost liked this guy for a second" 😂 same. God, Fabian is incredible. I'm glad we get to see him in interviews because he seems like such a sweet lil bean irl.

[@hillbillypowpow]

I think they did a good job selling what Christon is. He's a warrior, not a thinker, and that means he's really not good at leading. He's a tool, not a craftsmen, and the self-centered machinations of the royal family have put him in a position that is dangerous to himself and everyone around him. He cares about the oaths and laws by which he is bound, but people use him for their own ends, and it has profound negative effects on him which are externalized to others as a result.

[@hillbillypowpow]

I think they did a good job selling what Christon is. He's a warrior, not a thinker, and that means he's really not good at leading. He's a tool, not a craftsmen, and the self-centered machinations of the royal family have put him in a position that is dangerous to himself and everyone around him. He cares about the oaths and laws by which he is bound, but people use him for their own ends, and it has profound negative effects on him which are externalized to others as a result.

[@manaash4316]

@@hillbillypowpow oaths and laws are important to him, but also flexible. As Septon Eustace says about him, if one path can be broken, what at remarriage vows? He was ready to off himself in shame. He could have just denied any orders that went against his oath instead and gotten the same result. He chose his path.

[@VS-kf5qw]

​@@manaash4316 I think Schwift and Glidus nailed it when they said those experiences broke him in a very specific way. The guy sees everything in black and white, and it's as if he suddenly decided "I'm irredeemable no matter what... so I may as well keep digging myself deeper".

[@Picathartes92]

OMG Schwift's comment about the dog eating the cake and then of all possible examples he came up with "PAVLOV-a" and it went completely unrecognised in the conversation despite being absolute genius xD ❤

[@SuperStella1111]

I love how when they say: "Double the guard" Arryk or Erryk is behind Rhaenyra.

[@laurenbastin8849]

I think the best way to describe Aegon and Helaena’s dynamics are that Aegon wants nothing more than to be seen, whilst Helaena wishes only to be invisible

[@jackhill3273]

That's a very good point.

[@captainjuliab]

Otto's Diplomacy Speak is my favorite ongoing joke and will never not make me laugh. or, a joke has been made this day and on days previous that has not yet failed to provoke a humorous response from a certain audience ... c o u p l i n g

[@goblininreallife]

Sara Snow is Cregan’s drag name. I will die on this hill :)

[@ajcrowley5735]

He hosts brunch at the winterfell tavern every weekend

[@Strafebach]

The phrase ‘and ejaculates justice’ will haunt me forever - thanks Glidus 💗

[@rachelblake2350]

Glidus's Otto voice fucking kills me.

[@DarkKing009]

Daemon Targaryen to his black kids, stepkids, and toddlers. He will pay equally no attention to you.

[@leonardoabrahao7228]

Hell yeah! We getting more Aemond speaking Japanese and more dragon math. So glad I found you

[@nikkydalby7126]

Aemond speaking Japanese will never NOT crack me up

[@JackdawMagus]

I've worked at Royal events in the UK, and I don't know if the Showrunners consulted with anyone in the Household, but the funeral scene is very much accurate to life, if amped up a bit. Whenever the King (the real one, Charles) is anywhere, even if you can't see him you know where he is because the crowd surges like it's being pulled. And there's definitely a desire to touch them or have some kind of physical contact, hence all the endless real-world handshaking. Literally all they'd need to do to set this scene in today's real-world is have them get out the carriage and start working the lines shaking hands.

[@hillbillypowpow]

I truly cannot imagine clambering through a crowd to brush against the nepotistic nonces subjugating me and everyone else I've ever known by simply being born.

[@arianedealswithsocialanxie8170]

Literally your saying you have a 4-hour video about episode 2 is really the thing that's tipping me to the edge to going back to Nebula

[@wayneivers732]

There's been a few creators who have nearly almost made me sign up for Nebula, but you two ragamuffins have actually managed to do what they could not.

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

Was anyone else hoping Tyland was going to give little Jaehaerys one last pony ride to the dragon pit?

[@paquio100]

He warged into the horse pulling the funeral carriage

[@stefanfilipovits21]

I’ve already started using “ThAt’s ThE sTuFf Lyonel!” In my every day life

[@yuza1032]

They mentioned it in a text note on the video but I took Otto's "I do not want to hear of it" as his way of saying she didn't have to confess her sins, not realizing that what she needs isn't just an excuse but to have someone listen and witness her. It's very raw and not subtle to have Alicent literally enact that same generational lack of empathy with Aegon a few seconds after but the show is good at the ambiguity of the motives since no one says it out loud.

[@Glidus]

yeah he thinks he's sparing her when really he's only sparing himself

[@cureforintroversion1262]

When you realise Otto's been fired from the same job twice

[@Betch6]

Otto just straight up like DAERON will be my good boy!

[@alanpennie8013]

He hasn't had to live in KL so he has a chance of not being insane.

[@HypnoT0ad]

Am I the only one who can't get over how much Rhaenyra looks EXACTLY like Helena in the freeze frame at 1:29:10?

[@victoriarodrigues7800]

Especially Helaena at knife point in the Blood and Cheese scene, which is cool because of the context of ordered assassinations

[@alexissimpson5819]

Rhaenyra doesn’t look like Heleana. It would be the other way around.

[@HypnoT0ad]

​@@alexissimpson5819 You must be a ton of fun at parties

[@myrkvdr]

The casting is incredible.

[@mbglosser]

It’s shocking that Aegon has become the standout role of the season so far

[@GustavoCardoso95]

I'm convinced that Ryan Condell watches Alt shift X and Glidus XD

[@bjorn56]

The dragon show continues to be good. Thank God

[@mischr13]

**ahem** The DragonER show

[@Skiivin]

Gods*

[@bjorn56]

@@Skiivin oh yeah my bad

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Almost done with the video, thank you for the commentary! I’m not feeling too well today, and having something fun to listen to makes laying on the bathroom floor more bearable. :)

[@Glidus]

i hope you feel better soon :)

[@yggdrasil2]

"Fido, did you eat my Pavlova?" As if this comversation couldn't get more Aussie...

[@rinmathews9337]

I used to think there being no guards was a plot hole. But no. The greens are that stupid. Aegon is that stupid. Cole, who's in charge of security, is that stupid. It literally did not occur to them to have people guard Helaena or the heir.

[@SuperStella1111]

When Helaena says: "I'm afraid", Aegon interrupts her: "Don't be, we have Vhaegar."

[@asimhussain8716]

No it's a plot hole, bad writing just to artificially make the greens look bad because the writers aren't smart enough to make characters nuanced. Greens bad dumb, Blacks smart and good.

[@alphonso5236]

Probably didn't want anyone being assigned as their personal guard in case it led to salacious rumors of the kids actually being the get of said guard!

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

In Aegon's defense, it's Criston's job, not his XD. He does call Cole out for not standing vigil.

[@matthewmarkham5096]

@@thaneofwhiterun3562and then makes him hand of the king lololol. Cole is the GOAT of failing upwards

[@carmacksanderson3937]

Man, whatever happened to purposefully misspelling Ser Cringleberrry's name every time. Without this important detail, I could never consider this hard-hitting analysis

[@alanpennie8013]

We must keep up the disrespect.

[@cadewilliams3857]

The twins should have tried to parent trapped the two sides back to peace

[@chrissiek8706]

Not sure it would work out as both sides are already chopping each other to ....pieces 🙃

[@louis1641]

I thought the death of both twins was just not being able to live with himself after killing his twin brother with who he was so incredibly close.

[@fanpiresam482]

Aegon destroying Viserys' Lego set he spent his whole life building in seconds was a great metaphor for his reign.

[@marymcallister7963]

Holdign yourself underwater, depriving yourself of air is a form of self harm. In the previous episode when criston is eating alicent out, we see in the shot of herhand that her cuticles are red and bloody. She's falling back into her old habit under all the stress and anxiety. It kinda looks too when she's in the bath that she's dissociating. Her stare reminded me of the one she had when Viserys was having sex with her in season 1. They're setting the stage for her latter psychological downfall. I like this approach, they're sowing the seeds instead of going "yeah this sane person goes through something incredibly traumatic and instantly loses their marbles" which... could happen, but having characters with a fragile psyche to begin with makes it more plausible imo

[@sebastianmurarescu1880]

How did you guys miss the opportunity to call Alicent a sheath when talking about Crispy being a sword?

[@Teratoma..]

Erryk says "forgive me" and the last word he hears is Rhaenyra saying no

[@xainreaper6458]

I love how 10 streams discussing House of the Dragon season 1 COMBINED is only TWO hours more than one stream discussing one Snowy boy from the north.

[@pastapalads5598]

52:25 "He's got a tenuous grasp on life at this point" is such a funny line for no reason

[@varsoonhks3211]

Already watched this on Nebula but I'm liking and commenting and letting this run in its entirely in the background so you STILL GET THAT ENGAGEMENT GLIMBY! OO~OOO~OOO~~

[@merrylderrickson3147]

the writing of the second episode is a high watermark of this show...pitch perfect...every scene just bursting at the seams with dramatic tension and moral conflict.