GlobeBusters tried debunking me ... by getting everything wrong

[@OptimusPhillip]

Flerfer 1: "A beam narrow enough to guide the plane wouldn't diffract." Scientist: "Yes, but they didn't actually create a beam that narrow. They created a pair of beams wide enough to diffract, then situated them so that they would have a narrow enough overlap to guide the plane." Flerfer 2: "You're wrong, because a beam narrow enough to guide the plane wouldn't diffract."

[@korosensei4384]

Thats the gist of it. But since the overlapping beams is too detailed of an explanation, they will shrug it off and stick with their initial (miss)understanding and keep using this as a win for the flerf side.

[@donnyh3497]

Yeah but,...why male models? 😅

[@MazDance]

I bet even Zoolander knows the Earth isn't flat.

[@MisterItchy]

You got it! You must be a flerf!

[@tzvikrasner6073]

Donnie Deals fallacy. Just ignore any evidence provided and stick to your claims.

[@MoreEriksson]

Last time I was this early, a 24 hour sun in antarctic was enough evidence to prove a globe

[@bullschitt3666]

And the lack of a 24 hour sun everywhere else

[@testep02]

I"m dead over here 🤣🤣🤣

[@mrxmry3264]

Well, it's not. Not really, because if the earth was flat, the sun could never set and we'd have 24 hour daylight everywhere all the time.

[@Staavetrako]

​@@mrxmry3264 yes of course this is true, but flatearthers said that it would be an evidence and now that they will make this observation, it isn't a proove anymore and just the measurements of tze curvature is enough. Even through the flatearthers already diproved the flat earth

[@MrFreakHeavy]

Nothing is enough. Any kind of evidence is either fake or proves nothing.

[@GretgorPooper]

An even better argument is: if the Earth was flat, why would they even need an equisignal? They could just beam the one thing at a high frequency and be done with it.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

I did put forward that argument in my original video - one of the many aspects Alan completely avoided even trying to address

[@unnamedenemy9]

​@@DaveMcKeeganIt's almost like Alan knew he didn't have a good answer, isn't it? Funny that. But I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[@bradshawford575]

ehh, the equisignal could help with accuracy in that situation by telling you which direction you had deviated by; if you're hearing dots turn left, dashes turn right.

[@andysmith1996]

Ah, no, because, in a war for control of the whole of Europe, the Germans and British still needed to collaborate and keep the flat earth secret. So, the Germans wasted time, energy, and resources on inventing a system that would work on a spherical earth and the British did the same trying to counter it.

[@ericwiddison7523]

High frequency transmitters weren't that common back then. And high frequency signals experience more atmospheric loss than lower frequency signals. But that just explains why they didn't go to 10 GHz. They could have built a better antenna at 1 GHz that would have had a much tighter beam width and that would have no trouble propagating 500 miles. Those frequencies are widely used today for long range surveillance radars (range up to 250 mi or 400 km, with the total propagation distance of twice that). They could have fairly easily built a pair of 1 GHz antennas with horizontal beam width of less than 2°, giving an even narrower width intersection.

[@nickchivers9029]

Flerfer: You cant cross beams at that range Dave: ok explain Flerfer: Have you ever seen Ghostbusters?

[@frocat5163]

And your mocking flerfkin answer is somehow considerably more reasonable than anything the flerfkin present...

[@NB-qm7rk]

@@frocat5163 yes. they deserve nothing but contempt

[@nickchivers9029]

​@frocat5163 you're right I've given too much credit to flerfers they aren't cool enough to watch Ghostbusters.

[@PeerAdder]

@@frocat5163are you seriously suggesting that flat earthers ever say anything that isn’t either a demonstration of their monumental ignorance and incredulity, a total misunderstanding / misrepresentation of reality, or an outright lie? If so, please give an example.

[@briansomething5987]

​@@PeerAdderI think you need to re-read what he said. It in no way indicates flerfs ever say anything reasonable. Quite the opposite.

[@RocketboyX]

"We're not going to play the video because it doesn't say what we said it said".

[@DragonNexus]

"Because copyright" I may be wrong here, but I don't think Dave has ever copyright struck another channel for using his videos. So to me that's more telling of Globebusters. They assume of Dave what they know of themselves.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

​@@DragonNexus100% projection. And I wouldn't be surprised if their comments are turned off or they hide/delete/block anyone who disagrees in the comments

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@DragonNexus Well, copyright comes somewhat automatically on an original video, and as noted, since they surely would.... But, using small sections of a video falls under "fair use" and you would have no problem. So, it's entirely an excuse to not have to put something up that ruins their claim before they'd even made it.

[@JiggyJones0]

​@@mooneyes2k478 copyright claims are only automatic for music. Videos have to be manually claimed.

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@JiggyJones0 No, I meant that if you have made an original video, then you do have the copyright to that video. That's the "automatic". But it doesn't count for "fair use", and it's highly unlikely, as noted, that Dave would make such a claim, instead of rebutting.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

"Beams prove the Earth is Flat" "Bombers and the Navy use Globe Charts to calculate distances to Targets and Ports. There aren't any Flat Earth Charts"" Crickets

[@tacticallemon7518]

no, they scream that they secretly use flat earth diagrams, and use autopilot to trick the pilots into thinking the earth is round

[@lars7747]

I had 2 colleagues that were flat earthers. I used to study to be a nautical officer so I showed the the formula to plot a course from Amsterdam to New York and the part of the formula to take into account the curvature of the earth. They said it's wrong..so I showed if you remove it you get nowhere close to new York. In response they just called me a Jew. It was worth a try

[@dnomyarnostaw]

@lars7747 I would fund a boat for them, and set them adrift with the flat earth map's to get home. Nothing like reality to get a point across 😀

[@olafbaeyens8955]

On a flat Earth these beams would not even be needed..

[@gariannobinger9933]

Well, on a flat earth the beams would have had unlimited range with no height increase over distance, so only the first two German stations would have been needed. Not the newer ones along the coast.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

​@@gariannobinger9933using modified Lorenz wouldn't be needed at all either lol

[@DrakonPhD]

They DO realize that the Germans accounted for the curvature of the earth for things like V1 and V2 rockets, right?

[@zippyj.r.4486]

Here is there argument to that i bet they use. "We all know rockets are fake and don't work because space is fake and stuff anyway. It's all just balloons and aluminum foil reflecting light down from a sun, that is obviously above the thing reflecting the light." Or the more accurate rebuttal they like to use. "NUH UH."

[@davidg4288]

With the V2 ballistic missiles they'd have to account for the rotation of the Earth as well as the curvature. Coriolis does affect ballistics.

[@535phobos]

Every artillery man since at least WW1 had to account for the curvature of the earth. And coriolis. They reliably hit moving ships 15km away at Jutland, they were well aware how the world looks

[@advorak8529]

@@535phobosNo, we are more talking about the WW1 “Paris Gun”. They need to account for curvature because the distance is more than 700 metres shorter on a straight line than on the surface of the Earth. With a flight time of almost 3 minutes the Coriolis effect also mattered. 15 km? Not so much.

[@incognito253]

That's a NASA conspiracy theory von Brain worked for NASA he was a Nazi he is in on it it's all the Nazis (but btw secretly it's the JEWS) blah blah blah blah blah

[@whiptonguebulborb]

Globebusters are the funniest flat earth debunkers ever

[@h14hc124]

The smug arrogance with which they convey their idiocy is what really defines them

[@gregory_longjohns]

@@h14hc124anteaters arent real, ive never seen one in person so everyone must be being lied to and the government keeps pumping out cgi videos of them

[@DragonNexus]

Gotta love the AI generated logo, too.

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

@@whiptonguebulborb or the stupidest people, I can't believe anyone's this dumb, if they are, God help us all. Thankfully for them, breathing is a reflex, because if they had to think about it, they couldn't.

[@letsplay2bros679]

Yeah it drives me googledebunkers

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

All I know is for 500 years we have been able to circumnavigate the earth and no one ever hit a dome, ice wall or edge. "Interesting".

[@artsyscrub3226]

They legit are convinced goverments have the time, money an Energy to cover up every single instance of that. And ALL goverments agree to collectively keep this secret because they all get along and definitely wouldn't leak secrets to screw eachother over

[@tacticallemon7518]

they claim that all records of the ice wall are somehow destroyed in their entirety because the world government somehow has the logistics to have armed sentries every 30 feet and people who do go to Antarctica are just secretly in Greenland or using some tech capable of not only inducing, but causing hallucinations to line up

[@sovieticodiabetico6874]

@@artsyscrub3226 or that the government actually have a good reason to hide this from us

[@shilasarkar6003]

That is because if "CGI" and "govt"

[@ImSweetKiss]

This very particular thing proves the earth is flat, as long as you don't read anything else in the same paragraph.

[@gowdsake7103]

Or compare to reality. Or assume your ayes are accurate instruments

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

It makes perfect sense as long as you don't think about it.

[@frocat5163]

The 1st Law of Flerf: Flerf citations always contradict the flerf's claim. No Exceptions.

[@_KnuXles]

I was watching one last night in which they mention the exact evidence that contradicts their view, and then say "But if you ignore that then the point stands!". Truly flawless logic if ever I saw it 😅

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Whenever a flerf quotes something from a book, it's almost a perfect guarantee that one sentence above or below the quote proves their claim wrong lol

[@philippevial4352]

I love that flerfs keep trying to use physics to support their beliefs, and physics keeps kicking them in the balls. You'd think they would grow tired of it.

[@Frizzleman]

The only thing they have is faith and religion but that’s not enough for most people in the modern era. Watch folding ideas video about the ideology behind the flat earth.

[@theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580]

Almost as if they enjoy being kicked in the nuts.

[@Antigen__]

​@@FrizzlemanBelieve me, they're past even established religions. The flat earth is their religion now.

[@davidg4288]

Why would the flerfs keep promoting a concept that's proven wrong in every single case every single time? It's downright masochistic. At least they should invoke metaphysics and say if you pray or meditate enough you can perceive the "true" reality. That's how it's been done for years, but not these guys. They're more like denying fire is hot or something. But they still get burnt.

[@purefoldnz3070]

more like balls being slammed between a car door over and over until they are pancaked.

[@tysondog843]

It's no wonder they are trying to convince people Not to watch this video, it's very, very embarrassing for Witsit and Globe Busters. Very embarrassing...

[@robadams1645]

They're not self-aware enough to be embarrassed.

[@Isolder74]

@@tysondog843 Well they did not play the video they are ‘debunking’ because it explains why they are wrong. All they really wanted to do was reassert the original claim without having to actually address anything. Something else we can note, Whitsit can’t provide a citation to save his soul because all he does is repeat things he’s heard without any semblance of context.

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

There are other issues as well. If Knickebein could only work on a flat earth, shouldn't it work much better? The example that is used here was basically the maximum range of the system when deployed from germany. Derby/Manchester were basically the furthest targets they could hit with it. And the more precise systems used later had even shorter ranges. And you would likely use those further away if you could.

[@frocat5163]

To be fair, simply being an ignorant flerfkin is one of the most embarrassing things on Earth. They just aren't bright enough to grasp it...

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@Isolder74 Most flerfers have a tendency to lean in to stream of consciousness styles of speaking.

[@fnunez]

This kind of reasoning always perplexes me. There are hundreds of bits of easily verifiable evidence that the earth is a globe, but they find one piece of evidence that may possibly contradict it, and that means the earth must be flat. That's like me finding one person in China who doesn't eat rice and concluding that the Chinese eat nothing but chocolate.

[@rainbowsnek]

thats how you can tell the difference between a conspiracy theorist and a normal scientist, one of those makes a theory and tries to prove it wrong, the other makes a theory and tries their damndest to prove it right.. lol

[@DrSenku-vx6db]

At this point i feel like they're getting things wrong on purpose so their arguments feel plausible.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

It's getting to where ya can't trust everything they say.

[@SaucyPuppetShow1]

At _this_ point? I've felt like conspiracy theorists were doing that for as long as I can remember.

[@nickchivers9029]

​@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 I've been well past that point for several years. 35 to be exact. So for as long as I've been alive.

[@Sponge1310]

That’s their whole foundation on which their delusions based.

[@Milamberinx]

Well yeah, gotta lie to flerf.

[@RedTail1-1]

"McKeegan will probably not do a follow-up rebuttal"... Poor guy. Luckily he included the word "probably" so he doesn't look like a complete and total fool. He can lean hard on that one word.

[@cambridgemart2075]

He still looks like a total fool regardless.

[@Karras353]

I think the real absurdity is the mentality that the whole globe model comes crashing down if you can just poke holes in one specific phenomenon. But on balance of probability, if you have a mountain of evidence for something and one thing that might potentially be at odds with that, which is more likely? That the mountain is wrong or that we simply do not fully understand the one thing? And that is even granting that the objections to the one are well founded, which as we know full well they are typically not.

[@riluna3695]

In fairness, sometimes a single discrepancy can indeed tank an entire idea, but it depends very much on what that idea is. The easiest example is to make an 'always' or 'never' statement, like "all apples are red", and no matter how many millions of red apples you find, all it ever takes is a single green one to prove you wrong. To switch back to the point being made in the video, though, it kinda goes both ways. If our precise model of the globe made it genuinely impossible for these beams to work the way did (which it doesn't, but for the sake of example), then that would in fact show at least some small problem with the globe model, which would need adjusting until it was once again square with all known data. Like changing your "all apples are red" statement in light of the evidence of a green apple. But what's being missed by the person saying that is that the 24 hour sun is exactly as damaging to the (approximate) flat earth model as he claims the beams are to the globe. It's easy to forget, when you get into entrenched duels like this, that proving one idea wrong doesn't automatically prove yours right. His mindset is basically "even if I see something that proves I'm wrong, if I can also find something that proves THEM wrong, I'm still right", and that's....very not how that works. Worst case scenario, we're BOTH wrong, and something else altogether is the true shape of the earth. Although in practice, the globe model holds up just fine right now, and does not need changing to accurately reflect our lived reality. It just needs people to understand what that model actually IS, so they stop claiming it says things it doesn't. And that's the hard part.

[@Tyneras]

It's a very common (flawed) way of reasoning, assuming that your own position or argument wins by default if the other side is defeated/disproven. I don't know if it has a name but I see it pop up fairly frequently in all types of arguments.

[@synthetic240]

@@riluna3695 In your example, "Red Applers" would just claim that so-called Green Apples were actually Pears, despite all the evidence to contrary. Experts? Nah, they're paid to lie. DNA evidence? "I'm not prepared for that".

[@Karras353]

@@riluna3695 But in practice I would have reason to believe that it is very rare for a model supported by many different and independently verified pieces of evidence (including those that are trivially easy to observe with no specialist equipment) to be tanked by a single discrepancy in one piece of evidence. Besides, even to get to the point where you (hypothetically) can confidently say that "our precise model of the globe made it genuinely impossible for these beams to work the way did", you would have to have a very strong understanding of how the beams work for this to be true. So I would suggest that the burden would be on the person claiming the discrepancy to go back and check their working, then release it for peer review. Not to go straight to KZbin for a victory lap.

[@NeutralDrow]

@@Tyneras Sort of an inverse Fallacy of Composition, in a way. But yeah, it's tremendously popular. How much of that is due to simple faulty logic, and how much of it is due to conspiracy nuts just being outright lazy is a headache-induced exercise for the reader.

[@tarkadahl1985]

A flerf getting things wrong? Never! I've seen them manage to almost put socks on before

[@robadams1645]

On feet? Inconceivable.

[@petergaskin1811]

What? Two socks on different feet? Blimey!

[@Lucawee]

what does flerf mean

[@nickchivers9029]

​@@Lucawee flat earther = flearther = flerfer.

[@russhamilton3800]

That’s CGI

[@bobh9526]

If the earth were truly flat, Germany would have said screw hiding the flat earth and just used very high frequencies which would have been far more accurate. They couldn’t because only lower, less accurate frequencies would work.

[@FreeRojava2025]

Which is even more silly now that I think about it, because people are power hungry. If moustache man knew, he wouldn’t hide it, he would simply use it to his advantage…

[@localbod]

​@@FreeRojava2025 Moustache man? Are you referring to the Austrian painter aka Bunkerman?

[@aaamogusthespiderever2566]

Yea, one of the governments would’ve spilled the beans by now if the earth really was flat. With today’s technology, it’s easy to see how wrong flerfers are lol

[@KonradTheWizzard]

@@localbod The FAILED Austrian painter, who was rejected by Vienna university's art department and then fell back on his second hobby - world domination. In which he thankfully also failed. Eventually. Just wish he'd failed quicker, but he couldn't even do that right.

[@glitchedoom]

​@@KonradTheWizzard He did paint his greatest work on a bunker wall.

[@RobinTFH]

very interesting video, Dave. My father was in the RAF during WW2, working on early RADAR ranging and other radio systems. I remember his telling me about the different systems used to enable accurate aircraft navigation, including how the curvature of the Earth had to be accounted for.. He remained in the MoD until his too-early death in 1983, working on RADAR systems that are still in use today. Thanks again, Dave.

[@TheDrrobbo]

My dad too..did your dad go to Norwich for his training?

[@SanDimas234]

Just about everyting about Radar including avoidance debunks flat earth.

[@RobinTFH]

@@TheDrrobbo I really cannot remember now, but it sort-of rings a bell! He initially was posted to North Africa, and then on to North India, ending up in Hong Kong before coming home to London. He ended up working at RSRE in Malvern a mile or so from where I live now (site now demolished to make room for housing) and finally with REME in Woolwich, if that helps? Nice to hear from you.

[@TheDrrobbo]

@@RobinTFH mine ended up in Burma until 1947, on mobile units...via Ceylon. Both places with lots of snakes, which he hated with a vengeance.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

@@RobinTFH I had to visit RSRE a few time on business, they used to have a damn great Type 84 radar there.

[@samuelbrisseau2694]

They try to debunk the globe with WW2 tech they don't even understand... When they are not even able to explain how the sunset works on a flat earth!

[@julesdomes6064]

That's how flerfs operate. They become instant experts on any subject they choose, if they think their perverted understanding supports their demented fantasies.

[@do_notknow_much]

...That's the first trait I noticed with this flat earth vs Globe argument. ...Flerfs think they are a lifelong expert on a subject after just a couple weeks of looking at a topic. Then they go for the 'gotcha'. ...Meanwhile, real world experts and professionals try to explain to them. But they break out the denials, nuh-uhs and refuse to listen. ....This Knickebein/Battle of the Beams topic, RADAR combined with WWII history seems fairly complex set of information. ...Dave could do a whole video series on the matter. Maybe bring in some RADAR experts to add some information.

[@federicogiana]

I know a lot of people will hate me for saying so, but "globebusters" are googledebunkers.

[@SkullpunkArt]

@@federicogiana*gasp* that is a powerful name you are invoking, are you sure this is worth it?

[@RealWoutLies]

Facts? Who cares about facts? Numpties care not!

[@FutureWorldX]

And what we found was, we were picking up a drift, a 15 degree per hour drift.

[@dogwalker666]

Thanks Bob!

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

Thanks Bob!

[@Scootermagoo]

Hold your sign higher... interesting...

[@FutureWorldX]

@@Scootermagoo Enrique, how high is your light? Interesting...

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

RIP Bob Knodel, but he then went on to say that they "began looking for ways to explain how the sky could be causing those readings". Like all flat Earthers, he was intellectually dishonest. He set up the criteria himself for what would need to happen to prove that the Earth does indeed rotate. And when that very thing happened as he said it would need to, he moved the goalposts again. I made a short video about this a few years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4vGZWyemaiErqMsi=jTGyMG6N_hDtfesV

[@ChockHolocaust]

What these people who suggest it would not work (which is bizarre anyway since it is a matter of history that it did work) are either failing to understand - or more likely simply glossing over - is that Luftwaffe medium bombers typically operated at between 15,000 and 20,000 feet, so they were not receiving a signal sent out horizontally which could be blocked by the curve of the earth; the beam was of necessity, aimed slightly upwards, although not by much since the Knickbein transmission antenna on Stollberg for example, was already set up on ground which was 43 metres above sea level and the antenna itself was of course quite tall and the signal beam spread out a bit too of course. So in fact the later antennas were made smaller since they didn't need to be up very high anyway and they thus presented a less detectable target themselves which was also harder for the Allies to target. It's also worth bearing in mind that the system wasn't simply two signals which crossed over a target, it comprised numerous signals of various types, frequencies and widths, whereby the bomber would basically fly along the corridor of one beam until it received the signal of a crossing beam which represented the Initial Point for the bombing run. Upon crossing this, the bomber's targeting equipment would start a timer, which would then mean the aircraft had to be flown somewhat more precisely on its inbound target heading. If all went well, the bomber would cross a second beam signal which in combination with a specific airspeed and heading and of course the timer, would then trigger bomb release a few kilometres from the intended bomb impact point to allow the bombs to fall in a trajectory which would hopefully impact the target accurately assuming the winds had been correctly predicted. It's worth noting too that different types of bombs were used throughout a raid to optimise the effectiveness of the attack, so the beams themselves were not always critical for the success of a raid. Initially there would be lead pathfinder aircraft using the beams as a primary navigation means, then dropping flares and incendiaries to help to illuminate the target by starting fires on the ground and parachute flares assisting following aircraft waves to confirm their inbound target heading. This would be followed by deep-penetrating high explosive munitions with a slight delay fuse, intended to drill under the ground on impact, then explode to rip open gas mains, creating even more fires in the target area. With the target then well illuminated by fires and gas explosions, more heavy bombs would be dropped on that conflagration to cause shockwave and blast damage to the target. Of course at this point there was little need for the radio system as the target would be lit up like a Christmas tree by then. It was a very effective system, but later in the war it was something of a double-edged sword; since the beams had to be set up and tested earlier in the day prior to a raid. Thus their detection in the morning or afternoon effectively let the Allies know which target was going to be attacked later that day and the fact that the Enigma Code had also been cracked at that point helped too, as did daylight reconnaissance, since it was kind of hard to hide the preparations for a bombing raid what with fuel and bombs all over an airfield being readied for an upcoming night raid. Armed with this knowledge and with night fighters equipped with radar themselves, barrier patrols could be set up to intercept incoming bombers and their loiter times and patrol areas were planned carefully, meaning they were then fairly successful in intercepting stuff without having to search too hard. All of this is a moot point anyway; any pilot will tell you VOR, ADF and ILS systems do work and are used all over the world, every day. They are a basic part of navigation for aeroplanes; anyone who cares to do their PPL will see this for themselves and indeed will come across occasions where the terrain can occasionally have an impact on their effectiveness.

[@nunya_bizniz]

Nice comment. 👍

[@sphaera2520]

If only flatties would spent this amount of effort looking into things instead of just fishing for what they perceive to be superficial gotchas. As if people working with those systems and more intimate with its details somehow overlooked the oops this would not work on a globe consequence of the thing they’re using.

[@KeithMilner]

I think their claim is that it DID work and that (according to them) it COULD NOT work on a globe, therefore earth not globe. Once again, they fail to provide any positive evidence that the earth is flat. And, once again, they straw -man the globe by using incorrect figures, and a false interpretation of how the system worked. As well as a major rewriting of history but, given how many flerfers behave, it's probably wishful thinking on their part that the Nazi's actually won WW2.

[@jonesZ777]

Thanks for the history lesson

[@Groffili]

Understanding that would necessitate to think in three dimensions. Flerfs have enormous problems with that concept.

[@rafaelmarangoni]

Flerfers' tactics: 1) pick a subject; 2) cherry pick only the things they think confirm a flat Earth; 3) ignore all the rest that does not confirm flat Earth; 4) lie about the stuff they need to fill in the blanks of their narrative; 5) claim an imaginary victory and alienate ignorant people on social media.

[@elBartoDR]

6) Still proof that the earth is a globe by trying to debunk it.

[@dyamonde9555]

correct, except this isn't a flerf specific tactic, this is just standard apologetics, no matter what the idiotic belief in question is. You get the exact same playbook when you ask an Apologist about slavery or abortion in the Bible for instance.

[@LiarraSniffles_X3]

You forgot the "Make money" step. Never forget that the vast majority of conspiracy spreaders are grifters trying to scam money out of special needs people.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

19:10 "We're all familiar with skipzones!" which wouldn't exist if the Earth was flat. So he's debunked his own argument right there. lolololol

[@user-ri4hy1qw4l]

The flat earthers assuming science is correct about radio wave defraction but not about the earth being flat is hilarious

[@Gandhi_Physique]

To be fair though, some science is more solid than others. They also say shadowy figures are hiding that earth isn't a globe.

[@tb6303]

One thing I really like about you, and what keeps me coming back, is your respectful tone. Unlike some other flat earth debunkers, you don't mock or treat nastily the flat earthers (no, I'm not one).

[@alvamiga]

I've encountered Witsit twice on Twitter. The first time he ignored my questions he couldn't answer and the second time he blocked me. He can't produce the most basic answers, yet weighs in on these far more detailed ones like he knows what he's talking about.

[@AM-rd9pu]

He spews gobbledygook and his gullible followers think he’s smart.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Scientific Sovereign Citizen to the max.

[@OliveBeSalty]

anytime witsit grifts-it starts getting exposed on a subject by experts, he will, "whatever, it doesn't matter" or "fallacy" or "red herring" or start whining and griping and then the mega-ego kicks in. Then comes the rapid-fire word salad shooter. After that, then comes some mega-whining and trying to play the victim. It is quite comical.

[@alvamiga]

@@OliveBeSalty He didn't even go down those routes with me. I think he knew none of those tactics would cut it, so he went straight to block. If he had real answers, I gave him the perfect questions to showcase them, too.

[@aldebaran4154]

That was a mighty fine Witsit dodge on the 24hr sun. Sooner or later the things available to cherry pick will get so small he'll have to us anecdotal evidence. "Yes, there is a 24hr sun, but my car tire was flat this morning so flat earth."

[@ericb3157]

i've really seen a comment where a flattard effectively said, "i say gravity is fake, and you must believe me because i drive a BMW."

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

@@ericb3157 Should ask him if your burger is as big as his BMW since holding it up next to it makes them appear the same size.

[@matthewrowell8518]

It sadly just proved that if he does agree to go to Antartica that it’s just a wasted seat. He will see it… then ignore it… then lie about it ever being there. Truely a fine example of scum in skin

[@Markfr0mCanada]

"The Earth is not a perfect sphere, it is slightly flattened at the poles" "Durhur! He said flat! Checkmate!" ^ Some flatty no doubt.

[@nunya_bizniz]

What until they hear about the universe being flat

[@Sableagle]

@@nunya_bizniz Flat in how many dimensions?

[@PhDTony_original]

Superb work. Did the German engineers and pilots who developed this system conclude that the Earth is flat? No. Did the English engineers and pilots detecting and combatting this system conclude the Earth is flat? No. But Alan and Witsit take the same data as the experts and come to the exact opposite conclusion, imagining their raw intellectual brilliance and technical understanding to vastly out-strip that of the people who designed, built, and operated the system. Also, the distance calculations are all based on spherical geometry. Alan hand-waves that away as insignificant because he is mathematically illiterate and not very bright - but it actually kills flat earth dead.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Thanks Tony, it is bizarre that the British would try to dismiss such a dangerous enemy tactic during a war, just to try and keep up the facade about the shape of the Earth 😂

[@jonemeigh5588]

I was debating with Alan on this on TwiX, and he indeed handwaved the spherical trig used for aiming the X-Gerat beams by stating “that was for a shorter range system. I’m focused on the impossibility of Knickebein over the longer distance”. I then stated that essentially he was stating that the Germans thought the Earth was flat over longer distances but spherical over shorter ones? Like, the exact opposite of what is the case. “That’s your argument…why are you flipping that on me?” Was his response. I said “No that IS your argument”. These guys..they don’t care…they want to will Flat Earth to power. And on the dank and dark social media spaces…they are doing it.

[@Hirsutechin]

It's so encouraging to see Globebusters maintaining the Knodel standard of debunking: "A 15 degree per hour drift ... Now obviously we didn't accept that."

[@roberts1910]

they wont stop debunking themselves i see

[@S1nwar]

i dont see what they hope to get out of the minutia of WW2 tech when they cant even explain why the sun sets

[@S1nwar]

after watching this it's just as expected. the flerfs lack af any tech expertise lets them register this as a win for no good reason. its like they play minigolf and think they won cause they overshot into a pothole on the parkinglot

[@cataleast]

They DESPERATELY need something even slightly resembling a win, so they cast a very wide net and latch on to any idea that might be able to suggest that people have gotten something wrong about the globe. Everything they've proposed so far can be proven to work just fine on a globe -- sometimes even ending up pretty much proving that the Earth isn't flat. They've used up all the "big" ideas, so they're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point, trying to find SOMETHING.

[@ctsean]

The problem with the sunset is it's very hard to convince someone that even though it looks the same size and it's dropping below a horizon, it's actually getting farther away and there's no such thing as a horizon (or it's disappearing into the ocean or whatever they choose as the explanation of the day). To my knowledge, they also have no explanation for why the clouds are higher than the setting sun, which would be impossible on a flat earth - at least with the sun moving in a small circle over the disc explanation.

[@S1nwar]

@@ctsean its also blatantly contradictory that "its day cause sun comes closer/moves away for night" and the sun literally NOT MOVING EVER when you drive with a car which easily prooves its further away than any object within the visible horizon

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

they can't even explain sundials...

[@shuggiemcg1]

Flearthers "That's not possible! prove it!" Dave "I brought receipts!" shows the videos and debunks them AGAIN!

[@markhellman-pn3hn]

the closer the "final experiment" comes - the more they sh*t their pants !! ..... the circus used to be the greatest show on earth - BUT NOW THIS IS

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

Most flerfers on KZbin know they are wrong, but what a way to make money, easiest way to get views, claim something that everyone already knows is false, normal people click to witness stupidity, more money. Make hay while the sun shines. If they actually believe this nonsense, I know a place where they are welcome, complementary jacket that does up at the back.

[@theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580]

@@markhellman-pn3hn time for the brown corduroy trousers.

[@federicogiana]

Response to response to response videos are a bit difficult to follow... but there's something that doesn't ring well. They're using an interview to a consultant of the British Government to claim that a German weapon worked using Flat Earth science? So, the Germans knew secretely the Earth is flat but the Brits didn't? Both knew but the Brit consultant forgot that there's a cover-up going on and he isn't supposed to tell? Is this supposed to make any sense?

[@DaveMcKeegan]

That was a point I'd highlighted in my first video - Germany would have to know the Earth was flat and Britain either not know (which would have been a major disadvantage) or would have to pretend it was a globe , so trying to dismiss a dangerous enemy weapon to hide a conspiracy during a time of war ... Which makes zero sense

[@josemembreno3134]

@@DaveMcKeegan did anyone try to refute this point? i mean, in my head, forget everything else - this by itself is a massive blow to anything they have to say on the matter.

[@sphaera2520]

Discussions with fe often overlook the more obvious meta argument regarding the rhetoric because they’ve already bought into a massive conspiracy where an unknown number of people spanning every field, multiple centuries, countries, etc are lying or grossly incompetent despite having intimate knowledge and understanding of the tools they use. A normal person would quickly realize “if I can spot this fact that unambiguously contradicts the globe model, wouldn’t experts? Wouldn’t they be the first to go, wait a sec earth isn’t a globe, our tools use principles that demand a flat earth etc… The fact they not only didn’t, but insist the principles demonstrated are undeniably globe evidence, suggests my layman ass is deeply ignorant of what’s going on and I should not pontificate how to interpret such data to these experts and tell them they’re wrong.” But that would require self-awareness, developed critical thinking skills, and an appreciation for experts that have devoted time and resources to learn this shit rather than simply watch a 10min fe KZbin video.

[@Isolder74]

@@federicogiana Well many of them think the not Z’s are their kindred spirits. Well other then those traitors that came to America and joined ‘their’ side.

[@jonemeigh5588]

@DaveMcKeegan thanks for the shout-out...happy to help out your excellent work in whatever small ways I can.

[@bruceaurand32]

That was some very interesting information that you shared with him. Thanks for sharing it for all of us to be able to see it too.

[@Chonkems]

If the earth was flat, we wouldn't need ICBMs to work the way they do. They're built and shaped to deal with the curvature of the earth.

[@JohnM-cd4ou]

I was ground communications maintenance in the US Marine Corps. The curvature of the earth played a central factor in whether we would shoot hi tropo or line of sight towards another comms target. The fact that people think that we would be making stuff up at our low level is completely insane.

[@briankeck1297]

The "Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures for the Field Artillery Manual Cannon Gunnery" put out by the U.S. Marine Corp talks about the rotation of the earth. In it, there is Table H which is "Corrections to range, in meters, to compensate for the rotation of the earth" and Table I "Corrections to azimuth, in mils, to compensate for the rotation of the earth". I'd like to see flat earthers critique this manual.

[@cambridgemart2075]

But a certain 'modified sniper' told me there is no mention of Coriolis in their training!

[@anzaca1]

2:59 I love how they explain why they won't play your video as "copyright" issues. Ignoring the fact that using your video in this context would fall under critique/parody, thus be subject to fair use.

[@RossOneEyed]

When people say the earth is flat, it is hard to take anything they say as serious.

[@derekcoaker6579]

Agreed.

[@davidclayton4067]

I’m about to do some shooting out to 2 miles. Know what my calculations consider? The spin of the earth. Love your videos, Dave

[@rakninja]

shooting off the big boy guns, eh? i wasent arty, but i was a scout... one of my jobs was to tell the arty where to aim. not only do your firing solutions not work on a flat earth, but none of my navigation methods work on a flat earth, either. every single method of precisely describing the position of something on earth in use today requires that the earth is a globe, and that this globe orbits the sun.

[@gateroozeink5061]

We used to make sniper simulators for the Australian Army. Part of the acceptance test was Coriolis effect. We also made artillery simulations and they had to incorporate earth curvature in the calculations to be accurate. So according to the flerfs, the military paid us to make deliberately broken simulators to train their soldiers in the wrong way, just to hide the truth.

[@joedunn1109]

​@@gateroozeink5061The fact that the calculations used by snipers and artillery to account for Coriolis work is proof that the Earth is spherical and rotating. Done people might claim that it only proves rotation, but they're forgetting that you have to account for what side of the equator you're on. If Earth were a rotating dirt pizza, the equator would not matter.

[@JW-mb6tq]

Wow! That is great. I just completed a long range class a few years ago. We struggled hard with any decent 1 mile shots. I use a Kestral for ballistics what do you use? Is the Kestrel compass really to inaccurate for 2 miles? (And oh all you flerfs, we are talking about correcting for earths ROTATION)

[@SwaaallaGE]

Its funny watching this in real time. Everyone is obsessed with knickerbien yet I told Alan that their constant projects is just more distraction for us when they have yet to figure out how high the sun is or how lunar eclipses work.

[@GregoryMcLean]

That dog has such a rough life... Lying on a lap, getting pets... So much torture....

[@jonhilderbrand4615]

So let me get this straight, Flerfers: Which side in WWII "knew" the earth was really flat? If it was the Axis powers, why didn't they use that knowledge to their advantage and annihilate the Allies? If it was the Allies, same thing, vice-versa. Are you saying we fought an _entire world war_ (two, really, if you count the first one) spanning the entire earth (at least, from England to the US, then Australia, Japan, then China, and back to England) and _no one_ noticed the earth was really flat? Your credulity boggles the imagination!

[@jakzine540]

Because of Satan's master plan, obviously. OBVIOUSLY we sentenced tens of millions to horrific deaths purely because we were deceived by the vile ways of Satan teaching us that Jews are people and the earth is round. They are... special people.

[@tiagdvideo]

A superb come back. If they are using this as a safety net against "the final experiment" then they are really clutching at straws!

[@M0RMY]

Dave - interesting story. I use HF radio a lot. I have beam antennas which I can turn 360. One of my favourite questions for flatties is: How come I can talk to Australia pointing EITHER 70 degrees OR 250 degrees?

[@lazulazu2467]

well *obviously* the beams are sentient and in on the conspiracy, so they curve themselves to reach austrailia to keep the secret 😂

[@MrMulleteer]

"But nobody has photographed the curvature!" *runs away crying*

[@PeterMoore66]

@mormy - I have no clue about HF radio. Where are you based? And do the HF signals reach Australia directly, diffracting around the earth? Or is there something else a bit more subtle going on?

[@alexisfox2511]

@@PeterMoore66 A quick google search answers the question of how HF signals get around the curvature of the earth by refracting off the ionosphere and then off the surface of the Earth in a ping-ponging fashion for many bounces between the two. The point of the OP's comment though was they can broadcast in opposite directions and communicate with the same location. The only way for that to work is if there was a physical wrap around going on which happens on a globe but can't happen on a flat plane.

[@PeteC62]

Haha, great point. Anything involving great circles demolishes flat earth, eg long haul flights.

[@EricBurns1]

It sucks that war is what brings around cool advancements in technology. Painting a target the way Knickebein did is a really cool application of physics.

[@Something_From_Outer_Space]

Space race was fire

[@derekcoaker6579]

It really is incredible.

[@DavidvanDeijk]

It's not war, it's socialism, big government spending, which somehow is only allowed during war.

[@_Pig_Benis]

So to understand the technology in WW2 and before would work on a globe but there is still people nowadays that still try and debunk it……. Madness I tells ya

[@LagiacrusHunter]

It all makes sense when you realize they have a financial incentive to create controversy and drama. How else would they sell tickets to their conventions or ad space on their podcasts?

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

The thing is that when someone defending an indefensible position thinks they have a "gotcha", they will cling to it no matter how much counter-evidrnce they are shown.

[@josemembreno3134]

"MR. FARINA!"

[@bendlyte]

it’s almost like they don’t even research the subjects they discuss

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

The "research" is looking for quotes to cherrypick. Which typically ends up resulting in one sentence above or below said quote proving them utterly wrong lol. (Also why they refuse to provide sources of said quotes)

[@GumshoeClassic]

Their "research" amounts to looking not for data, but explicitly statements that support their claim. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of their google queries follow the pattern of "why is [my idea] on thing correct" or "why is [opposing stance] wrong" instead of actually looking for the subject matter itself. Which is then further amplified by willful ignorance, lack of media literacy (or a lack of a will to make use of it) and the mountains of false claims being pumped out day by day.

[@Pants4096]

Fascinating topic! I did not know about these German radio systems. And then while learning about this interesting history, I suddenly feel like I'm getting a big warm hug watching you cuddle your adorable dog. This checks all the boxes. Thank you!

[@JhericFury]

This is why he's the only one I watch. My lizard brain gets to enjoy flat earthers being proven wrong, but the rest of me enjoys new facts I didn't know and dog

[@Isolder74]

@@Pants4096 Yes we are all here for Rusty. The learning stuff is just a nice side benefit.

[@Ettrick8]

The Flaties should read Most Secret War by Professor RV Jones. He explains in depth the story of the beams and how Britain countered them. The Flat Earth isn't mentioned once but the curve of the earth is.

[@keithdixon6595]

I'm just reading Max Hastings' The Secret War, in which he states that 'Reg' Jones was probably the most important boffin working in intelligence for the UK during the war. Good man!

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

You don't 'read', you mean 'read without cherry picking'.

[@SciTrekMan]

That would count as “research” which flerfs don’t do, unless it involves watching other flerfs KZbin videos!

[@RichWoods23]

Jones' memoir is perhaps the best book I've ever read about the Second World War. You think on the surface that it'll likely be dry and technical, but it also delves into the politics of scientists and engineers trying to get their ideas through not just to their own administrators and bureaucrats but also to the politicians and the military. And then there's the terrifying risks some people took to prove their point in the face of the Nazi war machine, or indeed to steal secrets from them. It takes all sorts of people to successfully fight a modern war and it gives some instances of how the Nazi authoritarian system hampered their own efforts.

[@ericadams3428]

Flaties read?

[@Sibl3o]

I have done a Sydney to Hobart yacht race. We had to give a 3 times a day schedule giving our gps location on an HF radio. From start to finish the distance to the base station was up to 1700 nautical miles from our location to the base station. It works and I have hundreds of globe proofs

[@rakninja]

i mean, simply sailing a degree of longitude should be enough. if there's a better explanation of local noon shifting from your start point by 4 minutes per degree of longitude traveled that is not "the earth is a globe that orbits the sun," i've never heard it.

[@dyamonde9555]

celestial navigation exists and works. case closed in my book.

[@Sibl3o]

@@rakninja ahhh I was talking about radio waves. 🤷‍♂️

[@rakninja]

@@Sibl3o i get you, it's just that sailing a real distance in the open ocean itself is proof ;D

[@andymac4883]

Got to love the "Dave McKeegan isn't going to do a refutation video about this". Seriously, why would they even set themselves up for failure like that?

[@rakninja]

maybe a bit of the reverse psychology, hoping the greater exposure will drive traffic to their videos?

[@noone3216]

"GlobeBusters tried debunking me"... what, they send their rebuttals by carrier pigeon? Surely theyre not relying on technology that is based on the knowledge that the earth is a spheroid to communicate with you... right...? 🤨

[@YoloMenace001]

They still exist? I thought they capitulated. And i am talking about Globe busters.

[@jonemeigh5588]

Now they are strawmanning the globe argument talking about skip zones. But they still can't wrap their heads around the fact that beamwidth spread is independent of pretty much anything except antenna design.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Don't forget that skipzones existing at all...requires a globe. So they admit the globe is reality lol

[@DouglasJenkins]

Anyone who has studied the Allied bombing 'accuracy' would agree that a 450 yard wide beam would be more accurate. As Dave says later in this video, even with this Knickerbein system, the German bombs fell 1.5 miles away from the Rolls-Royce plant!

[@ibrahim-sj2cr]

i live in derby 1.5m miles from the rolls royce plant so this is disturbing news... lol i know you think im probably lying for clout

[@localbod]

​@@ibrahim-sj2cr I believe you. I would also add that, at this point in time, you're probably safe from the likelihood of a Luftwaffe bombing raid.😉 👍😎

[@cf3714]

@@localbod Safe-ish. They are still digging up UXO to this date.

[@ZombieXee]

That's really troubling. War, the gift that keeps killing and killing and ...

[@ibrahim-sj2cr]

@@ZombieXee US ordinance will likely be maiming people in afghanistan for a century "Almost 4 million people are exposed to the constant risk of being harmed, with an estimated 1.2 million m2 of land contaminated by mines, improvised explosive devices and ERW"

[@rage9715]

Do they have a map yet? No then anything they say is meaningless.

[@thephantomeagle2]

I love that shirt. I'm on a fixed budget or I'd look to get one. Professor Dave does a 45 minute take down of Globebusters. All they do is laugh and strawman their way through while Dave demolishes them. They call him names, and act like they're the experts.

[@rowanmurphy5239]

The simple fact that they had to use two beams of slightly different frequencies on the lowest end of the high frequency range is evidence of the globe, because if the Earth was flat they could simply use as high a frequency as they could generate and receive, thereby making their system extremely accurate, without the need for an overlapping signal of two relatively low frequency beams overlapping.

[@Frizzleman]

It’s so frustrating that they trust science and the scientific method up until the point that it disproves the very thing they believe

[@distinctdipole]

So the flerf argument boils down to: I don't understand, or don't want to, therefore flat earth. There's a word for that...

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

No. There are 3: Misunderstanding Not Understanding Not wanting to Understand :P

[@PunxsutawneyPhill]

@@bl4cksp1d3r I'm going with STUPID!

[@Vykk_Draygo]

@@PunxsutawneyPhill I think deluded is more appropriate.

[@PunxsutawneyPhill]

@@Vykk_Draygo You've got to be pretty stupid to be that deluded. Just sayin'.

[@ibrahim-sj2cr]

is misunderstanding the bible a reason that we still have flat earthers?

[@betaorionis2164]

For the sake of me, I'll never understand why flerfs try to "debunk" any issue, when they know they are going to be immediately ripped apart. It has to be masochism.

[@martinurbani]

The old saying “gotta lie to flerf” is always true!

[@T-I-M-E.42]

Flerfs love providing evidence that Earth is a Globe.

[@Isolder74]

They all just copy each other's homework. Not only don't they check each other's work, they just go with it as soon as they think they have something. They then make assertions that aren't even correct but sounds like they could be. One more thing, Whitsit still can't be bothered to cite anything properly.

[@duncanidaho8234]

When your entire “proof” depends on not listening to what the people are actually saying you get a special “I am a dumbass” badge to wear on your lapel to the next flerf conference.

[@areoborg]

I like how the whole Flerf argument is "everyone is wrong, especially the people who were right, because they were right for the wrong reasons."

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Couple of questions for the Flat Earth crowd: How come you can't provide any imagery of the edge or underside of the flat earth? Why are all flat earth images clearly CGI?

[@senwod70]

Literally, just tie a go pro to a weather balloon and show me the “clunk” when it hits the dome.

[@robadams1645]

​@@senwod70don't laugh, they use a video of an amateur rocket deploying its parachute (which makes a slightly clunky sound) as proof of a rocket hitting the dome.

[@frocat5163]

I thought that had already been answered? The armed, government, NASA, Jew penguins keep everyone away from the edge, so no one can lean over to snap a photo.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@robadams1645 I saw a flerfer actually do exactly this, and was able to find the YT channel of the amateur rocket hobbyist shortly thereafter and when confronted with the full video, the flerfer just stopped responding.

[@robadams1645]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee I'd love to think that maybe you converted him, but I highly doubt it :)

[@JohnnysCafe_]

That was a fascinating debunk Dave, the Knickebein (crooked Leg) system was very clever considering the equipment they had available in pre 1940, a very interesting video👍

[@_KnuXles]

I watched Professor Dave's video to Globebusters from 5 years ago last night, and lo and behold they pop back up again today! How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!

[@RustyWalker]

TFE isn't just about them denying that there is a 24 hour sun in Antarctica. It's also about the excuse they make for sunrises and sunsets, "it's not going over the horizon. It's going away from you and that's why you can't see it any more." With their model that they try to pretend doesn't exist, in the SH summer the sun would be above the Earth at the tropic of Capricorn, and would circle around the far side of the North Pole and back again. That's a pretty damn big circle, yet the Sun does not disappear, even though sunrises and sunsets are occurring just a few latitudes north. Also note that observers see the Sun the whole time, not some weird ring of light being shone through some sort of paperweight, so that ad hoc nonsense won't fly either. Both lies are blown apart at the same time.

[@bheemasena2383]

Flerf assumptions: 1. I am a genius so anything I don't understand is either a lie or nonsense. 2. Everything that disproves flat earth is a lie so if I can't explain something, it means nothing because I know I'll be right in the end...

[@georgH]

Exactly this!

[@jaxboro]

I love the complete authority that flat earthers speak with, while being absolutely wrong, ignorant and incompetent.

[@kathleenmccrory9883]

As an American, it's easy to forget how close European countries are to each other. It drives home, how horrific WWII must have been. Anyway, I learned a quite a bit from your video. Thanks, Dave.

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

Yeah I know right, I’m from Canada and looking at a map of Europe looks weird that they’re so close together and at the same time, speak different languages, have different cultures etc etc. it’s actually really cool, except for when wars break out! Lol and hi southern neighbor!

[@Staavetrako]

Yeah, my country has 9 neighbours and I live close to the border to three of them. I can go to all nine of them in one day by using just the car ir train. And every country of them has their own culture and all of them except of Belgium and Austria have their own language. This two countries have their own dialects tho

[@kathleenmccrory9883]

@daveg-Vancouver_Island Hi, neighbor!

[@kathleenmccrory9883]

@MehralsvierZeilnelesne What language do they share? I'm ignorant in this, but I would have thought in Belgium that they speak French or Dutch, and in Austria, German or Swiss? Someday, I hope to visit and learn more.

[@NeutralDrow]

@@Staavetrako Technically, over half of Belgium speaks Flemish.

[@dougmorris2134]

Hello Dave, just a quick message. I am a SWL (plus I passed my RAE (b) back in 1983) but my interests are in international HF broadcasts. My best reception of a far off transmission was from Radio Australia International on a Soviet era Vega Selena B212 at 5 9+++. At first I thought it was a BBC Signal but the slight accent and the place names and locations were noted and then the answer given “On Air” as RA from the Shepparton, Victoria, transmitter site just half a globe away via skip. Alas RA is no longer on HF but the Selena is still working. Best wishes from Oxfordshire.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

The fact skipping is necessary and something "we all know" disproves a flat earth lol. So it's quite fun he debunked his own claims with his own words.

[@paulanthony9766]

If the earth was flat we wouldn’t need a radar at every airport. We could just have one in the midlands.

[@yusharider]

4:40 The greatest last name of all time.

[@Duke.Of.Shostka]

It is indeed...

[@RobertCraft-re5sf]

Wow amazing 😊

[@todo9633]

"I'm not going to play this video for copyright" is the most scummy way to avoid allowing someone to have their say I've ever heard.

[@angelmeier4382]

Hi Dave. Just dropping here to tell you that your accent is so lovely. It's a pleasure to listen to you. I'd love to hear you give a speech on basically any topic.

[@Wadusher]

Came for the debunk, stayed for the doggo.

[@_SurferGeek_]

Can we stop for a minute and marvel at the amazing invention that was the Knickebein system? Developed in the 1930's... just... wow!

[@jonemeigh5588]

I said this earlier...on the Globebusters video, one of the participants could be heard to scornfully say "We're supposed to believe the Germans developed this technology that worked on a globe- in the 1940s" (it was the 1930s, but who would expect the Flerfs to get anything right?) Like the 1930s-1940s was the Dark Ages. (I find this doubly funny because he's scorning a backwards time, but these folks are also those folks that believe Nikola Tesla discovered free energy back then and the government "killed him,. stole it and hid it from us" The 1930s and 1940s was a marvelously technological time. In fact, I think the average person was much more scientifically and technologically inclined back then than they are today. I see old videos showing things like how the automatic transmission works, or (later in the 1960s) how Apollo re-entry worked and how lunar orbit rendezvous worked, and in these videos, they don't talk down to anybody- they assumed a high degree of scientific and technological literacy in their audience. In this era we have people who eat Tide Pods and who believe the Earth is a pizza plate in the middle of a toroidal field that holds up the ferrocell Moon and Plasma Sun

[@paulag7634]

@@jonemeigh5588 My father left school in 1920 at the age of 14; he had a far greater understanding of maths, physics and engineering than any of these flerfs.

[@testep02]

Damn, Dave. Your videos are ALWAYS so professional, so well thought out, and you have a way of explaining very complex topics in a way that anyone can understand. I swear, I think I'd sit here for 3 hours listening to you talking about dog crap. You're BY FAR the Mr. Ballen of the debunking world. A natural storyteller.

[@robertlugo3388]

Great comparison

[@robertlugo3388]

But how do we handle the Like button?

[@testep02]

@@robertlugo3388 we'll take the like button up in a weather balloon to take pictures of the Earth, but not tell it that the balloon pops and it'll fall back to earth without a parachute

[@InertiaCreeps]

02:45 Wwwoowwwww…. Somebody take the meth away from “Space Audits” they sound like they are going to give themselves a heart attack!!!

[@horisview]

As soon as they can’t help to arrogantly smirk and giggle we know they got something wrong.

[@Kunn1ngDruger]

Alan, Shane and Witsit just lie.

[@taqresu5865]

It's basically like flying through a Venn diagram with very little overlap. The more distance away from the signal source, the larger the entire diagram grows, but the overlap will remain extremely thin proportional to the entire diagram. Basically the Flerfers are taking the width of that overlap, incorrectly assuming that's the width of the entire signal being projected, and falsely assigning that measurement to the wrong signal source.

[@jonemeigh5588]

Tonight's supposed to be the night Alan debunks you again, Dave. Can't wait! 🤣

[@josteingravvik2381]

Hello all !! There is one particular thing regarding that Flat Earth theory that I honestly don't get. What would the "Powers of this world" gain by telling us, the "small people" , that the place we live on is a globe if it really was flat instead? What difference would it make for us small ones in our everyday life? If anyone of you have any idea, I would love to hear/read them !! 🙂( I don't want to go through those flat earther's videos to check, because I don't want to give them any more views than they allready are getting 🙂 ). Best greeting to everyone from Norway !

[@opelvectra2297]

To hide god, to hide more land, to suppress people. You can add every nonsense you like. The flerfs simply want to be special without any effort. Because most of them are not the brightest or mentally challenged.

[@MLennholm]

And, pertaining to this, why would a British higher-up pretend that the Knickebein threat wasn't real just to keep up the charade when this severely risked their success in the war, in which they were literally fighting for their survival?

[@NeutralDrow]

They do it just to spite the flerfs. Who, after all, are the most specialist, secret-knowledge-possessing people on Earth, and are thus the Protagonists of the Universe.

[@bjiornbjiorn]

Hei fra Skottland One reason that the shadow government would do this is because the globe model is not drawn exclusively from religious scripture (i.e. the Bible). It doesn't recognise things like the firmament and is the same reason many of these people don't believe in the moon landings. Therefore, by convincing people that the world is round the evil world government is tricking people into becoming atheists and turning their backs on God. Another argument I vaguely remember is that, in the globe model, the Earth's surface has a defined and finite area. However, on a flat Earth we wouldn't know how far the land stretches beyond the ice wall of Antarctica. Naturally this is used to suggest that the governments of the world lie about the Earth's shape so that they can maintain control of all the natural resources that exist beyond Antarctica. This is, admittedly, one of the more fringe ideas but it does still have its adherents (it's also occasionally used as the Flat Earth equivalent of the, "Nazis surviving in the Hollow Earth or on the Moon" argument). I hope this helps answer your question 😊 Ha det bra

[@elBartoDR]

It's to hide god or something like that. Weak god if he/her/it needs to count on his own creation to be invisible. He/her/it can create complete universes but no wall to hide behind.

[@DeltaH-9]

I went to the space audit channel and left a comment stating that your new videos destroyed him. He came back and commented after watching it saying that you're still wrong. He told me to tune in on Tuesday, where he'll apparently refute this new video. I told him, "No thanks." Some people's kids....

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

I hope he explains how 'skip zones' are necessary on a flat earth lol

[@Durzo1259]

Saying "no thanks" tells him that you're not objective and willing to consider arguments against your position, which only serves to hurt your credibility.

[@DeltaH-9]

@Durzo1259 But there's no argument he has that's worth listening to. He's wrong. Do you like giving an audience to someone that you know is wrong, and it would just be a waste of your time? I'm going to assume that your answer to that question, if you have a brain that works, is no.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

@@Durzo1259 yes. Which is why no flat earthers are credible in the slightest because they dismiss all evidence to the contrary and have yet to provide any evidence for their own claims beyond "it looks flat"

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

Local crackheads want to explain how Elon is targeting them with toothbrush brainwaves -- I have the same response: "no thanks". ❤

[@Civilian_AF]

As an amateur radio enthusiast, these arguments are infuriating. On the other hand, the radio theory from the Second World War is fascinating. I know radio isn’t your specialty, but you do a really good job explaining how these systems work. Keep up the great work Dave!

[@berth2647]

Ham radio would be boring on on a flat earth ..,, no moon bouncing ,,, no meteor scatter...

[@LastGoatKnight]

This topic brings me joy always. This is literally "POV: the "famous" guy tries to tell the teacher that they lie/ are wrong" and believe me, I had 7 from my 37 people counting class

[@bullfrogg]

Comprehensively smashing it… yet again. Not only do I get the pleasure of watching, time after time with great delight, your utter destruction of the claims made by these people… but I also have the added benefit of being entertained and educated in areas that I didn’t even know I didn’t know about. Superb work Dave, please keep it coming. Bravo 👏🏻

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

Flerfs can't even figure out how a lens works.... so expect them to understand even less regarding anything less simple.

[@purefoldnz3070]

moving the goal posts because they know the 24 hour sun experiment is going to wreck what is left of the sinking ship that is the flat earth movement.

[@Moatheus]

wich channel is doing the experiment?

[@cambridgemart2075]

@@Moatheus The Final Experiment is the channel to look for

[@captmark492]

Witsit: "...dog. They smoked that Rolls Royce factory." A nitwit rewriting history like he rewrites science. Just what the globe world needs. Smh

[@sourisvoleur4854]

The weird thing is, what does he gain by the factory being hit? It doesn't lend any evidence to flerf. Maybe he was just excited that the side he favors scored a victory (as he thinks).

[@sbditto85]

I always learn a bunch when I watch your videos, thank you for all the effort you put into them!

[@ILoveLamp_1995]

Second video I've seen of yours, your content is great, and your doggy is amazing!