NEW AIRCRAFT? - What's Happening At Boeing?

[@neilpickup237]

Does anyone else see the similarities between Boeing today and MD during its final decline? A constant cycle of aircraft announcements and cancellations. All talk, no delivery. Not having a competitor for the A321xlr could be disastrous for Boeing once the supply chain issues are fixed. Even if the MAX can handle all but single digit requirement for an airline, the fact that they need those A321xlrs could mean that the whole narrow body order goes to the A320 series.

[@VMac822]

The thing that is absurd to me is, why would you merge with a failing company, and then let their CEO run the show?? I view that is the turning point that has led to Boeing‘s problems today.

[@neilpickup237]

@VMac822 The power of persuasion!

[@petesteirer]

So, the 737 will be 60 years old. The 777X is 13 years in the making. The 777 normal is 30 years old. What are they doing besides NOTHING?

[@becraftcorey]

The 737 has underwent two evolutions so far. If its not broke don't break it. The 777x will be a great plane if it ever gets certified, the FAA is probably being extra intense on them because all there problems

[@markfletcher4933]

737 Supermax. Wings similar to the 787 but smaller with same GE9x engine. Stretched to the length of the 757.

[@747forever9]

Thanks Dj!!

[@Bluestreak589]

Boeing needs to deal with the problems with what it already has on the table. Once the existing situation is dealt with.... Then Boeing can evaluate what a fully new, competitive airliner looks like to replace the 737, 757/767, or wherever else they see a hole in the mid/late 2030s market. Boeing probably isn't going to be in any position to begin a new program until the end of this decade at the earliest.... Whatever they do between now and then ought to be limited to small scale studies and technology evaluations towards having a menu of possible options available when the time does come to actually engineer the next airliner.

[@kenoliver8913]

I love Ortberg's logic here. Onlookers: "Don't you need a new plane?". Ortberg": "We don't have any money for that. Therefore we do not, in fact, need it.".

[@vvvxt]

I wonder how many parts will fall off this thing?

[@mumar100]

Boeing is not rebuilding its operations, it is resizing its operations

[@jziliamon]

The B787-10 would be a massive seller but for airliners looking for an ultra long haul wide body but design flaws didn’t allow that to happen

[@kimmurphy1683]

All I hear is trying to stop the bleeding. Innovation and building appear to be years away.

[@thecameramantraveler4830]

look even if they build the 797, it still won't do a damn thing to improve boeing's reputation which is constantly viewed by the public, the reasons why i don't see this concept being built is because of financial strain and lack of interest from the public. its the same reasons that killed the boeing 2707, the money went out and nobody wanted to fly on it anyway

[@vaidyasethuraman452]

This Boeing cannot execute- let them get back to some decent level of delivering. New planes will wait if at all. And live with one third share vs half the goal.

[@recurse]

Oh no, Boeing can definitely continue to cruise on 1960s designs, they don't need to waste any money attempting to innovate.

[@samuelzackrisson8865]

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[@samuelzackrisson8865]

Or 7-17

[@jeffreyatkins1668]

Once BOEING GET THEIR QUALITY CONTROL TOGETHER ON THEIR EXISTING AIRCRAFT THEN CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH A NEW AIRCRAFT TYPES. 737 MAX OVERALL HAS DONE A GOOD JOB TRANPORTING PASSENGER S. SHOULD HAVE BUILT A WIDER STRONGER 757 TO COMPETE WITH THE A321. BUILD IT RIGHT, QUALITY CONTROL AN THEY WILL BE BACK IN GAME.

[@finned958]

If Boeing can get the 737-7/10 and 777-8/9 certified, it will free up resources to consider a new aircraft, but they are facing a new year 2025 and more delays. Boeing can’t seem to get out of its way to ruin current and future plans. The strike has caused layoffs from its white collar workforce. Hopefully they are redundant useless employees instead of productive engineers. Boeing often over hires useless employees. They need a leaner engineering workforce. Upper and middle management don’t know how to actually manage.

[@RonGerstein]

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[@laurentiutrifan8173]

For facing the competition of the A321 XLR, Boeing doesn't need a new plane. The Max 10 & 7 should be delayed in order to have a few smart up-grades .... which have to address 3 main problems: 1) To modify the engine-wing assembly in order to eliminate MCAS ; this one will eliminate the current Max handicap: the subliminal anxiety of the passengers, pilots & crew - that MCAS is still there & is able to - somehow - fatally malfunction -> kill them. 2) To add new fuel tanks - in order to extend the range; this one will equal 321 XLR's current leverage 3) To innovate over cabin's design - in order to increase the passengers comfort; this one will make Boeing to be superior to A321 XLR - because, currently, ALL aircrafts manufacturers are focused only to offer new planes - more fuel efficient ... but the passengers are placed on the second place. Of course, after testing the airlines & passengers feedback ... those up-grades will be extended to the Max 8 & 9 models.

[@camhusmj38]

They cannot delay. They have commitments to big customers like Southwest and Ryan Air.

[@camhusmj38]

@@laurentiutrifan8173 If they break their commitments, they will have to pay compensation and no one will order from them again. What they may do in the future is one thing but they have to deliver the planes they already owe for sure.

[@laurentiutrifan8173]

@@camhusmj38 I see. It sounds familiar ... with the argument that was used ... for creating Max 👎 in the first place .... Let me put it this way: my post is not just "the dream of a Christmas night". 😃 I have a clear idea about how these up-grades have to be ... & a plan to be followed to make them (including buying 4 foreign companies ... 1 Japanese, 1 Chinese, 1 German & 1 Italian ... which will develop - in parallel - the hardwares for these upgrades ... & ship them to Everett) . And these upgraded Max10 & 7 will be soo mindblowing ... that ALL airlines will want them. 😉Even Airbus executives will buy a Max7 BBJ for their business trips ... 😃 Because their own planes will appear like "buses for peasants" - compared with these upgraded Boeings Max ... 😏 So, the orders will be thousands ... and Boeing will have to re-hire these 17.000 employees that they are firing these days ... & to hire 100.000 more ... in order to reach a pace of 100 Max planes per month. 😉

[@toms1348]

1- engine placement/mounting has nothing to do with MCAS. The MAX flies perfectly well without MCAS. 2- extended range with more fuel: this is feasible, but is there enough of a market to warrant it? As it is XLR sales are fairly limited compared to NEO and LR sales. 3- Boeing and Airbus have absolutely nothing to do with interior design. That is purely the function of a given airline., and the interior manufacturers.

[@laurentiutrifan8173]

​@@toms1348 1. If Max would fly "perfectly" without MCAS ... that device would be gone. 😏 So, the "nose up" effect of the flawed engine mounting on the wing ... is - still - a possibility ... which requires the presencce of MCAS. 2. US airlines received the mandate not to buy A321 XLR ... very likely for saving room for a Boeing Max with the same features The Delta rejection of A321 XLR is quite recent ... and the motifs are veeery thin ... so, in reality, no rational economical reasons were involved ... but a national interest. 3. The design that I have in mind has all to do with the input of aircrafts manufacturers

[@deniermurch8693]

Yes it needs a new plane, but it is up to it's eyeballs in debt. So no new aircraft. (satire)

[@toms1348]

Your comment isn't really satirical...it's more of a metaphor..just saying.

[@pilot_man]

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