NEW PLANE? - The Airbus A322...

[@Da__goat]

Essentially an Airbus 757. Makes sense, but, they’ll need to redesign a lot of the a321 airframe to get the performance and pax capacity they need to make the aircraft viable over a range up to 5000nm. Might even need a new bogey for the wheels due to weight, like the 757

[@geeniusatwrok]

Airbus already has a design for a quad bogie and wingbox. Air India ordered some A320s years ago and required a quad for rough runways. I think those have all been retired/scrapped, but the design is still in the vault. Probably needs work to handle the weight of a putative A322 vs A320.

[@KlausErmecke]

And why for all Saints should this hypothetical "A322" fly 5000 nm? Airbus has a perfect aircraft family to fly PAX loads of 200-250 people (the assumed A322 capacity) over 5000 nm - with the A330neo family!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@KlausErmeckea narrow body is way more efficient. So the hourly operating cost will drop significantly

[@neilpickup237]

​​@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I agree that a narrow body is much cheaper to operate than a wide body with a similar passenger capacity, however, it has nowhere near the same hold capacity. If there is sufficient demand for lucrative freight on a route, a wide body can generate more profit. It is for this reason that some routes are served with an aircraft of a size that the passenger numbers alone cannot justify.

[@DennisIjeoma]

😢😅😂😂😂 too funny

[@sh230968]

Sales and orders for A330neo should pick up. Everything looks mature for more orders of A330neo.

[@wadehiggins1114]

Definitely. It's a great aircraft.

[@neilpickup237]

​@@wadehiggins1114Far better than it has any right to be! It just shows how much can be achieved with the latest wing technologies.

[@afxnxsjevs]

A330-800neo didn't do well

[@yoannromain3655]

Remember when we used to find the A-321 quite long? It's so weird that these days it doesn't look so long anymore. It could be extended I believe.

[@TJsWorld7]

We weren't used to seeing a long plane. Almost a year later, we can see it as just a normal plane

[@The_Red_Squirrel]

​@@TJsWorld7Long aircraft by means of stretching existing aircraft is not new. The Super DC 8 was a stretch version of the original DC 8 and was introduced in 1968.

[@alexmnblyth]

same as cars when you think about it… MK1 vs MK8 volkswagen golf for instance

[@yoannromain3655]

@@The_Red_Squirrel Yeah, but I still find the DC-8 quite long. There are 2 planes that used to look super long and that look normal these days: the B 773-ER et the A321. In comparison, See how the A346 still look as long as when it came out ! I guess the more you see an aircraft the more it looks ordinary maybe 🤔.

[@smoketinytom]

On the basis that 90% of the NEO family orders are 321's then it's not surprising that it's seen as normal... Hell, I misidentified the A320N as an A319 when an A321 was before it... Felt silly. :D

[@ronaldcharan2705]

A322 vs 797 will probably be the future competition.

[@KlausErmecke]

Airbus HAS resources to develop a (medium ambition) A322. Boeing LACKS the resources to design an all new "NMA 797". Due to its dire financial situation the new Boeing CEO has no other choice than to stubbornly focus on getting the ailing existing projects to certification, assembly and delivery

[@mikkorenvall428]

There is no competition... Boeing do not have a chance... Embraer or Bombardier may rise due Boeings lack of.

[@ronaldcharan2705]

@@mikkorenvall428 not sure where you're getting that from. Bombardier is no more and embraer have no plans to have a 150-200 seat aircraft anytime soon. If ever.

[@Weryl]

I doubt, A320 will be replaced by A220-500 then Airbus will develop NGMDM. Basicly 797 is too big thread to keep A321XLR, A322XLR.

[@rickfeng4466]

@@mikkorenvall428I doubt Bombardier is able to recover after the 300% tariff lobbied by Boeing. Even though it was taken off not long after, during that time Bombardier have to sell off not just the C-Series but the CRJ program, the Dash8 program, its rail division, its pleasure craft and snowmobile division. Like more than half of the company is just GONE now. It’s great for the Americans that our next Prime Minister Pierre Poilievre is a conservative who grew up in Alberta. Like you could not get a Franco-Canadian more pro-American than that. If a full-fledged Québécois become Prime Minister, oh hohoho, it could be like Jean Chrétien or even Pierre Trudeau all over again, swinging FAR away from American interests. Just to get back at America for ruining the biggest pride of Quebec industry.

[@ihmcallister]

I see the simple (and relatively cheap) stretch of four seat rows as a viable A322 version. Fuel tanks of the LR, rather than the XLR, and US transcontinental, or East Coast to Europe range. Airlines like Delta, United, Icelandair etc. need to build on fleets of 321s, and in some cases can't find a genuine 757-300 successor.

[@KlausErmecke]

If you start to design a new "A322", you would probably make it an A321XLR derivative. Why? Because the XLR RCT tank provides additional range without excessively eating into the cargo capacity. Furthermore, the XLR had already been modified to accomodate a higher MLW (landing weight). The primary structural challenge of stretches and freighters alike is the necessary increase in MLW. (This is, BTW, the reason why IMO Airbus should be able to quickly build an "A350-2000", when the necessary freighter adjustments have been achieved). Having said that, we should abandon the perception that such an "A322" would replace the 757-300. The 757-300 was a flop in the market: those airlines still operating them (namely UNITED, DELTA, ICELANDAIR, CONDOR) have already ordered A321neo and partly the A330neo. So the question is which airline could utilize the A320 double stretch. IMO, the best would be airlines with high frequency connections. I had looked into the issue a few years ago, and two city pairs with just insane frequencies: Those were Inchon-Jeju in Korea and (wake up, DJ!) Sydney-Melbourne, both typically served by 737 NGs. Both connectionns are stunningly short. KOREAN and QANTAS have both ordered the A321neo in the meantime as a 737 replacement. Both could use the (at this time hypothetical) "A322" to LOWER FREQUENCY and save costs and slots.

[@afxnxsjevs]

more like 767 successor

[@ihmcallister]

@@afxnxsjevs Yes.

[@neilpickup237]

The current A321 is about as heavy as the current crop of engines can handle. Therefore, a simple stretch is not possible. The only solutions on the table until new, and more powerful engines are available, is for the aircraft to loose weight and increase lift. The obvious way to achieve the weight loss and increase lift is for new composite wings. Not only would these be lighter, they would be far more efficient as wing technologies have advanced significantly since the current wings fundemental design was done. Not being an engineer, I do not know how many additional rows of seats this could allow. However, if those new wings were to be fitted to the rest of the range, could you be looking at A220 levels of efficiency?

[@gunvaldsandhaland7757]

Goo For IT Airbus

[@Dan.d649]

It's going to be tough to replace the 757 airframe. The Boeing 757 was like the sports car I wish I had. It was a fantastic airplane for airline service, or freight and mail delivery. Airbus will need to really hope this new design of theirs will equalize the amount for what the 757 has done.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Airframe has not much to do with it. That’s mostly engine related.

[@The_Red_Squirrel]

Looks to me that Airbus already has a winner with the A321LR and XLR. They have enough orders to keep them busy into the next decade.

[@terencewong-lane4309]

Use a composite updated version of the lovely A310 wing :)

[@marcg1686]

🤔 Interesting. The wing was too small for a WB, but for a NB...

[@ramarakeshv]

It was a great wing just under appreciated. Plane was a cute widebody

[@neilpickup237]

As great as it was, I think that wing design has advanced quite a lot since then. Just look at the wings on the A330neo, the latest development of the A300 line.

[@flyguy212]

They will need to get more powerful, still efficient engines, a new wing to get a stretched 321 off the ground. The 321 doesn't have lift or power for short field high altitude high temp airports.

[@AarronHanson]

Not with current backlogs in a million years. They just do not have the build space and supply issues with A321 sales pumping hard so it ends up a question, why bother?

[@verttikoo2052]

They won’t kill any sales because now it is sellers market. They take anything that Airbus can give them yesterday.

[@aarronhanson6248]

I never said it would kill sales I said why bother i.e sales are great and they cannot keep up with current sales and supply issues.

[@trevorwakefiel870]

I think Airbus should pursue a 322 in LR & LR with a new wider bigger wing and stretch to the 757 300 length at least with extra mid cabin more lavatories a super stretch so airline's wanting to save costs could also offer premium economy class section behind business Class on such long 11 or even 12 hr flights but have empty room like 747s had on emergency exit doors along the cabin so passenger's on a long flight can go stand up and have a stretch before returning to their seats. I think heavier double bogie landing gear be required for extra weight stability. I think airlines would be very interested in a 11 or 12 hr range with a larger stretch to accommodate and sell fares in a premium economy class too for such long flights that dont want to operate the expense of a larger A330 neo range .

[@TonyLee-th1vv]

A322 neo - Composite wings with folding wing tips - Composite fuselage - Newer engine up to 10% fuel efficient than current LEAP 1A - Up to 6000 Nm range Will selling like a hot cake.

[@jeremypearson6852]

With so many planes on back order, I doubt we’ll see another model anytime soon.

[@kkrsnn5632]

Orders can be changed, transferred and renegotiated.

[@j700jam4]

@@kkrsnn5632but there is a waiting lust for cancellatiins

[@Adrenaline_chaser]

​@@kkrsnn5632exactly

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

4rows stretched = 37-38m cabin length OEW: 52t

[@jantjarks7946]

Is there enough gap between the A321XLR and the A330 to expect a valid business case? It's not just about ROI, but about new laws and regulations too which would have to be taken into account.

[@verttikoo2052]

330 is wide body. Finnairs Air Lounge seats won’t fit into A-320 family.

[@kenngoidiomas]

I see huge possibilites to the new A322, they need to hurry to catch new market opportunities.

[@briandenisefarmer333]

I think the A321 LR and XLR will fit the market just fine. Airbus would do itself a favor to squeeze out even more efficiency and lower cost per seat per mile and extended range on the A330neo program. I’ll keep saying it… if I’m on a 6+ hour long flight …I want to be on a wide-body aircraft with ample room and lots of lavatories on board. So twin aisles it is for me!! 5 hours and under… I’ll go with the A-321 thank you very much!!

[@dewyakana1543]

Not replacement. All new A322. A stretched A321XLR. SMART, VERY SMART!

[@747forever9]

Thanks Dj!!

[@IanSilsbury]

Surely with all the options with the A321 regardless of stretch or new engines would this not be just an A321-300.?

[@Ayden2008]

In simple terms, it’s a strengthen a321

[@randyreynolds1045]

Nice new plane❤

[@zapszapper9105]

Running a market uncontested is not always healthy especially in the long term. The 737 proves that. Stretching An A321 is a great idea, so is stretching an A220. Not to do this for perceived effect on sales of other models is false economy. You are still selling more planes. That has to be better in the long run. And the bigger R and D spend on stretched models also has to mean long term money in the bank. Air Bus should look at it from their customers perspective. Not doing things you should do is what happens when beanies(Accountants) start to run companies instead of engineers. This is the problem at Boeing. Air Bus should learn from Boeing's mistakes.

[@x-gamessimulator1067]

Concordo

[@JasonWoolridge-o1l]

Boeing has to be innovative and make a heat resistant material and withstanding from wear and corrosion ✈️

[@KlausErmecke]

They'd better start with inventing cash that does not burn!

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

next gen hybrid aero propulsion can revive the A380-800 once again . . . it'll make the A380-800 hugely fuel efficient, not possible before . . .

[@jantjarks7946]

No. The A380 tools are gone and won't return.

[@chiad25]

@@jantjarks7946 Even the infrastructure, and factory plant is gone (converted to A321neo).

[@Barney_the_realfish]

probably want be the best since the A321 already suffers landing since it cant tail striker easily

[@JasonWoolridge-o1l]

At some point you have to retire the 767 and the 757 ✈️

[@Stew_PA]

Jet2 retired 2 more of their 757 fleet this week, leaving just 4 operational. Their days are numbered too, the final 757 working will be on the 5th Jan 25. The Jet2 757 fleet has been replaced by, you guessed it, A321-neo.

[@jam92uk]

Why don't they just shrink the a330 to the size of the a310 and give that a new wing that would fill a massive hole between the a330-800 and the a321neo

[@TonyLee-th1vv]

Airbus A32x family single aisle economy class were more comfortable than any 787 with 9 abreast, or 777 with 10 abreast, or A330 with 9 abreast.

[@JockMurray-v1o]

Sounds to me as a reincarnation of the DC8 series.

[@ronparrish6666]

Or 757..300

[@verttikoo2052]

DC-9?

[@Carlifurafollas]

Why not a redesigned A310 with A350 composite manufacturing and new engines?

[@fjp3305]

I would like to see a twin engine B-747, it would be a beauty.

[@JasonWoolridge-o1l]

That's not possible to retrofit the queen and convert her to twin engines and still won't be a market for her and she'll up operating costs 💵 ✈️

[@fjp3305]

@@JasonWoolridge-o1l I know, it's just a wish

[@x-gamessimulator1067]

O 777X é um 747-400 com 2 motores!

[@williamlewandowski129]

@@fjp3305 I am thinking the 777X will be about the largest capacity twin engine built, at least for the next 60 years.

[@fjp3305]

@@x-gamessimulator1067 Without the hump

[@user-yt198]

A321XLR is $75M, A330-800 is $100M (approx. net prices). Is there a gap which would justify an A322?

[@fjp3305]

I think your numbers are way off

[@chiad25]

@user-yt198 Where do you get these numbers from? In 2018, unit cost was US$259.9 M for an A330-800 and US$296.4 M for an A330-900. A321XLR was priced at US$142 million (2018).

[@user-yt198]

​ @chiad25 ​ @fjp3305 These are net prices taken from lessors, not public list prices which are highly exaggerated.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

A321 cost $8000 per hour and the A330 cost $15000 per hour.

[@user-yt198]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Is that wet lease cost? Because dry lease cost of a regular A321Neo is less than $500K/MONTH BTW I gave purchase prices of the aircraft, NOT costs.

[@alwaleedalthani9624]

Airbus please , if it isn’t broken it doesn’t need fixing !

[@jeremydee5424]

With all do respect to Airbus…but they did all they could do with the 320/321 series and thus they will eventually need to come up with a clean sheet design.

[@neilpountney9414]

You mean like Boeing and their 737 series.

[@The_Red_Squirrel]

Airbus has enough of a backlog on it's order books for the A321LR and XLR that it doesn't need to consider its next move in single aisle aircraft until the 2030s.

[@ulysseslee9541]

or a A323 , use the length of 757-300 XD

[@GarlandTexasSpotter2024]

A322 would already be the length of the 757-300 respectively. The current A321 is about the same length as the 757-200 and 737-900ER.

[@PVZBlover]

If its possible, The Airbus A322neo will compete with the Boeing 737 MAX 10

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Of course it wouldn’t. The regular 321 neo competes with the Max10

[@JasonWoolridge-o1l]

Until the Max-10 is certified by the FAA and Federal regulators are satisfied enough with the significant progress the Max-10 has to undergo and you have to retire the 767 and 757 at some point ✈️💵☝️

[@brileri]

In what world? The max 10 is smaller than the 321. A 322 would be in a category of its own, regardless of how it is built.

[@greenigelnigel2235]

MAX-10 😂

[@tjmackymac9228]

It would make more sense for an A330-700 NEO would make more sense

[@SN57ONE]

What if Boeing redesigned the 737 MAX's windows so it would look like those in the 787?

[@kevinp8108]

All you’re doing is increasing the price tag of the aircraft with those windows. Airlines who fly the MAX are looking for a workhorse that is inexpensive to purchase.

[@unfathomable1876]

That would require a carbon fibre fuselage and another mountain of changes to make... it would end up being wiser to just replace the 737 entirely

[@kkrsnn5632]

That's the 737 max-2-8😉

[@kalamarspinner]

Would probably blow out easier 😮

[@ramarakeshv]

Airbus and Boeing can think of a huge singular project to shape and make a future model. In 10 years or less China would have caught up just like making all those ev cars and giving them a good challenge to the supremacy of aircraft making.

[@chipdale490]

Still waiting for the 200 seat 320.5

[@verttikoo2052]

They want a new wing so that they can have more fuel

[@mattevans4377]

Not with current Airbus. They refuse to capitalize on Boeing's downfall

[@stabilo3170]

The new Airbus will replace the current A320 family. Lighter wing/airframe, unducted fan and A350 style avionics with A/B nerwork.

[@PhilippinesTravelFan]

Interesting, what if Airbus propose of the new aircraft, A330-1000neo? Any thoughts?

[@ramslade]

It would probably compete with the A350-900

[@brileri]

There isn't a market for such a plane. Even the 7810, which would have more range than this, doesn't really have enough to be considered for the majority of routes. It would look a lot like the early days of the 333, when it was out sold by the 332.

[@mmm0404]

Would compete directly with the 787-10NG , which would be more efficient and have more range. So the a330-1000 would be a flop

[@nicholasmackenzie-rowe68]

The 787-10 is already a flop.

[@brileri]

@@nicholasmackenzie-rowe68 exactly. 3310 would never get off the drawing board

[@1guitarlover]

I love even the simplicity of its name, so German... Volks-Wagen... Air-Bus... Luftwagen... 😂😂😂😂

[@zarimations7735]

I think they should name the aircraft a323 instead of a322. A323 rolls off the tongue a lot better

[@vincentpenido3220]

Airbus becoming like apple

[@emilhilmy7740]

So Boeing 797 hasn't get traction, and Airbus already A322 concept fir middle of market.

[@salemk.3098]

while boeing can’t even fix the max, 787 and 777x issues lol

[@williamlewandowski129]

Boeing leadership ruined the company by holding onto the 737 too long, and cutting corners at that, resulting in a tragedy of loss of life not to mention tremendous financial loses. Which now has pushed out the promising 797 to beyond my life time. I now think of the western commercial airplane industry as I do their automotive industry. It has been fairly good times for a long time, but there is a new competitor on the horizon which will upend the status quo. And unlike the automotive industry, we don't have enough commercial airplane manufactures to enable airplanes to be ordered and delivered in a reasonable amount of time. Welcome aboard COMAC, the airlines and traveling public need you!

[@mrrolandlawrence]

A320 series with new wings that are faster to make with less components / check points. Win. Indeed might as well wait for some new engines to become available at the same time for an upgrade. The A320 series is loosing customers because of the massively long delivery times. New tech has to make production quicker through clever design.

[@MrSchwabentier]

Airbus is constrained by suppliers capacity. A new wing won’t help

[@lokendarsingh7558]

Marasahatheyomahuheyauhh

[@garyhalmbacher6875]

Seems that this video and most of the world have not considered the MC-21 or the C-919. While I am sure the arrogance of the Collective West will write both of these planes off, China alone is the largest aircraft market in the world and the Global Majority, the other 7 billion people of the 8 billion in the world, are certainly going to seriously consider both of these 322/737 alternatives.

[@nickgiles7568]

Most unlikely. Airbus will be concentrating on a replacement for the A320 family which may include something bigger that the A321XLR but it is early days. The feed back from passengers on how they view travelling on a narrow body for long distances will be crucial. I would say that with prospective orders from middle eastern carriers it is much more likely that an A380 Neo will be seen if it can offer cost savings.

[@jeremypearson6852]

I travel Miami to London, usually on a 787 Dreamliner or A330. I couldn’t envision myself on a single aisle plane unless the seats had enough pitch.

[@geeniusatwrok]

@@jeremypearson6852 People have been flying narrowbodies across the pond for almost 75 years. It's not a new thing. I've done it, and it's fine, even in Y. A middle seat on a 757 for 6-7-8 hours is just as miserable as a middle seat on a big-boy plane.

[@jantjarks7946]

​@@jeremypearson6852You rightfully pointed at the seat and cabin design. It doesn't matter if it's a narrow or wide body. Not sure why people mix up both, as both define acceptable comfort in very different ways.

[@The_Red_Squirrel]

​@@geeniusatwrokCouldn't agree with you more. 50-60 years ago, in the so-called golden age of air travel, all transatlantic flights were on single aisle aircraft until the advent of the B747. Modern day single aisle aircraft are opening up new routes that are served by direct flights, and that is what customers prefer over flights involving intermediate stops.

[@dewyakana1543]

I see this as a step between what we know, and what we can do. Maybe A370?

[@mrkovash1]

I’d rather fly in a cessna

[@ellaluna5514]

Please do!

[@Speed-birds]

The engine technology is really holding up the progress. Increasing the fan diameter and increasing the bypass ratio-these engines are still thirsty with so many moving parts. We have to reduce our emissions-things are really piling up. I think attaching carbon fiber wings to a metal fuselage is going in on the cheap. The materials exist on the planet. Capitalism has its great disadvantages.

[@PatPat144]

i just hope that Airbus is not as well eaten by the financial greet

[@chiad25]

"financial greet" .... ?!? 🎓

[@lokendarsingh7558]

Marasahatheyomarasabo

[@DannyBoy-LovesPlanes]

first here saw it at 1 minute old

[@catclips]

Well done, now you can retire. No really, please stop using the internet ! So the adults can use it for useful things.

[@ZombieKiller1965]

I think the next 5 years are going to be boring. Both Airbus and Boeing are going to do some profit earning on current models before developing anything new.

[@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689]

Investor want their money back lol

[@ZombieKiller1965]

@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 yep

[@neilpountney9414]

There is nothing wrong with that to expect companies to pour billions into new technology is unreasonable. They are there to make money not to push bounderies all the time.

[@fjp3305]

New developments are too expensive.

[@ZombieKiller1965]

@@neilpountney9414 absolutely

[@Dreamweaver787]

So this mini Airbus update was all about nothing then? what a waste of 8 minutes.

[@wadehiggins1114]

Airbus has nothing to worry about, boeing is DEAD!

[@KlausErmecke]

Mind the spelling please: Boeing is dead!

[@wadehiggins1114]

@KlausErmecke I did that intentionally, sir.

[@williamlewandowski129]

@@wadehiggins1114 I think as America's only commercial airplane manufacturer, Boeing would probably qualify as 'too big to fail'. And thus soon enough will need to shut up about Airbus government subsidies.

[@neevisits2957]

Eventuate 😂

[@WillReims-s2s]

The A-322 has been debunked by Airbus two times, the first in May 2021 the second time in June 2024 as the A-321neo has fifth generation engines while it took 6 years to develop the A-321 with an additional year to fit the new engine weight to its wings. The A321neo began production in 2016, with final assembly taking place in Hamburg, Germany. It entered service with Virgin America on 31 May 2017, taking its first commercial flight. As of September 2024, a total of 6,721 A321neo aircraft had been ordered by 85 disclosed customers, of which 1,479 aircraft had been delivered. If there is a new A-321neo with extended cabin it will be named A-321 dash xxx and not A-322. The numbering of models at both Boeing and Airbus follows specific new components where a cabin extension is not. There has been video clips about A-350-2000 and A-320-2000 etc which are all bogus information made by video creators as "click baits". None of the engine manufacturer is announcing a new engine though one has speculated that it would take about 10 years to make one while some major changes have been made by all of them on their 5th generation units while they have a list of minor problems to deal with their new 5th gen as they are used by several carriers. The only project that has been studied is a new A-380 with new engines, a 5th generation one but wait to see how the market is evolving. A new A220-500 would be the next offer as there A-320 is aging rapidly and will need a replacement as there A-321 is too large. So we won't see a new aircraft before 2035 at best as Boeing needs to cope with al of its actual problems that occurs on a constant basis with the B-737MAX and B-787 beside the major problems with their B-777x. Airbus is quite happy with what they offer and don't think it would be wise to engage into a new product as all markets are well covered with the number of models they offer.

[@kevinp8108]

I’m waiting for Elon Musk to start making jet liners to compete with Boeing and Airbus. Why not? He’s already making spacecrafts.

[@jeremypearson6852]

Electric?

[@kevinp8108]

@@jeremypearson6852 a more fuel efficient aircraft. Perhaps a fuel-electric aircraft. Maybe a SPACE-AIRPLANE that can travel from New York to Tokyo in two hours.

[@jantjarks7946]

Elon time in aviation? I would say his plate is already full. And I doubt he wants to sleep in the factory again, like during the Model 3 hell.

[@richardbriansmith8562]

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[@tong.clement]

A carbon fibre ultra short A350-500 with a narrower and shorter fuselage of the A330-200 size might be better. Narrow body long haul is really not a great experience. Do not push anything to the max.