Glocks vs 2011s with Matt Pranka

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[@S1deshowRob]

I love when people bring up “spec ops used the 1911!” Yeah and they hated it and switched to Glocks

[@peanutarbuckle2879]

Eh, they loved shooting them, hated carrying and cleaning them. Some of these "dooty grayde" people have to ask themselves what they're more likely to be doing I think.

[@medikpac7105]

@@peanutarbuckle2879 I think it makes sense for people who are gonna go to the range every few weeks, shoot a few hundred rounds, take it home and clean it. That's a lot of folks, and certainly nothing wrong with that.

[@mrdato116]

And now everyone is adopting Sig p320

[@S1deshowRob]

@@mrdato116 not anyone who has a choice in the matter

[@mrdato116]

@@S1deshowRob Denmark police just replaced HK USP with p320

[@Mike_219]

Matt's smirk to straight face when Ben asked the question was hilarious

[@chrisb9478]

Retired Red Shirt, Idpa Master shooter. I’ve owned just about every type of pistol over the years. But for Duty use, I would only carry: Glock, S&W M&P 2.0, HK VP9, Walther PDP or CZ P10.

[@byronbranch4645]

Carry Glock on duty and Walther PDP off. I also own a C2 but I wouldn't carry that concealed..too expensive lol

[@paytonlucas26]

The amount of BS in the world makes me appreciate Ben and Matt being completely honest with no sugar coated BS

[@scm6545]

I thought you were going to say something about the amount of BS Matt must put up with being friends with Ben.

[@practicepractice5719]

Please, have more of Pranka!!!!!!!

[@Daedalus1650]

Maybe FR Marines needs to carry a portable CNC mill in every unit.

[@blantant]

That's ridiculous. They just need to clean them whenever they touch dust.

[@Dillydilly956]

They stopped using them in 2020/2021 thankfully

[@jimbodrums12]

It’s good to see Matt chime in. Regardless of the discussion….thanks for the insight!!

[@eggr1ce374]

Ben and Matt are always a good time. No nonsense practical shooters. So glad I found you.

[@toddberge754]

Jeff Cooper used to say that any serious 1911 user should have three 1911 pistols. One that is currently being used , one to be a backup for when it breaks down and one that is currently in the shop being repaired.

[@oklahomahank2378]

I knew a wealthy man with three Jaguars. I asked him why. He said, “So I have one that runs.”

[@CranjisMcBasketballMD]

Absolutely agree, it’s not a good platform for “duty” where it’s constantly exposed to elements or rolling around on the ground in a holster. Luckily the majority of gun owners, myself included, don’t do “duty” and the guns live either in the safe or under the shirt pointed at a pair o nuts where the elements/environment don’t matter. If I were LE/MIL I certainly wouldn’t carry one, but it’s a fine home defense and carry platform. And before anyone accuses me of simping I don’t own one and I carry an M&P lol

[@Daedalus1650]

Any chance you can post the link for the whole video?

[@destroyerofgear]

Seconding this

[@Inawoods]

Any idea where the full video is from? Behind a patreon paywall?

[@assistinsleep7424]

I just watched a Kamala/Walz ad on a video that talks about things they'd ban, if given the chance. (Watched it for Ben's ad rev). What a time to be alive.

[@ArmadilloArmament]

We are reaching levels of based not thought possible! At some point in the next few years people are going to realize that 2011's aren't the best duty guns or even self defense gun for that matter. Doesn't mean they aren't great shooting for fun and competition, but as a duty gun it simply doesn't check all the boxes.

[@Jordan-nc3zy]

Been saying this for the longest time but always get shit on for it. It’s a trade off, you’re getting bleeding edge performance but give up reliability and a lot of conveniences we’ve all grown used to with more modem designs.

[@ODARuination]

@@Jordan-nc3zy I think it also depends on context. Like here with what Matt was saying, dust was a massive factor in his experience for duty use of the MEU-SOC 1911, which makes sense. The area of Afghanistan I was in for example, had dust get into every fucking thing constantly. When considering EDC or Duty use where the environment doesn't play a big role, I would argue it's not as much of a factor.

[@ArmadilloArmament]

@@ODARuination It may not be as much of a factor, but you bet your ass id rather carry a gun that works in shittier conditions, even if realistically its only sitting in my pants.

[@TonySmithJr]

Love them for competition, don't trust them enough for EDC.

[@ArmadilloArmament]

@@Jordan-nc3zy Right on the money, that's why ive moved back to glocks. Couldn't handle looking at my Alchemy funny and something breaking or not working all of a sudden. Glock may shoot "worse" but it goes off when I pull the trigger and I dont have to disect mags, clean it every 500 rounds, etc etc.

[@kevinjohnson3925]

In my 1st yr of uspsa in CO. Made M with outside chance of GM with a franken build glock 19. Just train.

[@e.nathan]

Good stuff! I'd love to see the rest of the video when/if it becomes available. Bonus: Ben accidentally scores a huge trolling win on me and all the Glock nerds who have been annoying him with questions on comparing the Glock 47, 17, 34, etc. by cutting the video off right before Pranka gets to explain why he's still using the 17 and hasn't moved to the 47 LOL.

[@0214Bub]

Probably still running the 17s because they still functions reliably. Why change until they are worn out.

[@DefendersAndDisciples]

2011s shouldn’t be used for police duty either, especially when considering that many officers neglect their guns - leaving them in the holster for days, weeks, or even months at a time while they collect dust, snack debris, and moisture. Glocks tend to run just fine on Cheeto dust and dried rain... 2011s, not so much. I’m not saying this is how police officers should treat their guns, but unfortunately, it’s the reality.

[@Benz2533]

Don’t the standard duty usually a Glock ? Or in your place, the officer is allowed to choose their own side arm?

[@iiscd5970]

@@Benz2533 Cops are generally allowed to carry their own gun if it is a model approved by their department. Lots of police carry staccatos

[@Benz2533]

@@iiscd5970 which cops is that ? Location ?

[@tomwilson1006]

3 minutes! Really??!! We NEED MORE Ben & Matt content!

[@DaveJackalope]

“17’s still” 😉

[@nickcomp1664]

Took a class on a wet rainy day. Mags falling into wet sand all day. Everyone’s guns ran fine, except the one guy that had a staccato P. I had one of them before they changed the name from STI, since sold it off and never going back.

[@shiftd_1114]

try dry sand lol , stove pipe every shot

[@iiscd5970]

This is me right now. I had a Staccato in Ohio. Thing ran flawlessly there, but Ohio dirt is clay and you have to go to great lengths to find sand. After moving to New Mexico I'm around sand all the time, and now I have major issues with it not feeding properly. I've made up my mind to sell it.

[@blackops8996]

Great honest video, fan of the channel

[@petersmith8174]

The Marshals still haven’t reissued the Staccato P after it failed their tests. They switched back to the Glock but I heard Staccato addressed the problem and after they conduct their test, will reissue.

[@rolotomase1440]

If you are an uber competitor shooting USPSA Lim Optics or whatever it may make sense to you to have a 2011. They certainly can optimize your skill. But they are not made for duty; even if they change their name and say so. If you want to be good at shooting you're better off buying a dryfire book.

[@destroyerofgear]

Even just training hard with a 2011 has been a struggle. The guys love making fun of me for it and it's really starting to get old. My 2011 has seen a lot of mud and every time it happens the gun starts getting real picky until i run it through the ultrasonic cleaner. Thats not acceptable even for flat range training, let alone taking it out into patrol bases or even hunting camps. At this point i dont want to strap it on unless the ground is frozen. It sucks because these guns are a joy to shoot and i really love the craftsmanship that goes into them, a doublestack 1911 was my dream gun growing up, but the reality is that if you have environmental hazards to contend with that arent snow(mine at least seems to handle snow and ice just fine), it's pretty hard to justify for duty use.

[@DirtMcGirk]

Be careful. I can hear the Staccato guys coming for you in the comments section. All joking aside, I appreciate your honesty. Most dudes that own 2011s will try to explain away the unreliability issues. I’m fine with people collecting them, they’re just not for me.

[@maynardlim9438]

Thank you Ben! Love all then recent videos. You could charge people for all the nuggets of wisdom in all of them. Also, your interior still looks like it’s from 1983 haha. Cheers!

[@JB22636]

This is a good realistic reset from the 2011 guy.

[@pranavkamath4329]

That’s pretty much what I say when people ask me about 2011s. Civilian carry? Oil it every so often and clean it once in a while and you’ll be fine. Want an end of the world gun? It’s not the one.

[@DanDan-cl7em]

Well, it sounds conclusive $4000+ Stacattos are not tactical

[@catchacoolbreeze]

Relatively new to the channel. Do you release the ful videos of these discussions? This looks like a good one!

[@DavidWendland-qp7jw]

2011 fun for range day.. Glock is best duty pistol hands down!

[@stovepipe8966]

With 10’s of thousands of rounds thru a variety of pistol platforms , in a SHTF scenario, I’d grab a quality striker over a SA or DA/SA . All guns fail or malfunction eventually for a million different reasons so there's no guarantee but I’ve had less overall issues with high end duty strikers than other platforms.

[@Platoon_Guide]

I went from a 1911 to an M9 to a Glock 22 to 9mm P320’s then G19’s. Glocks are the most reliable in my opinion. The shooter has to put in the work to master the Glock Platform. More expensive guns seem to shoot themselves but are finicky.

[@SemperFi_EDC_Guy]

We had the berretta 92 during the invasion...same issue with dirt messing it up BAD.

[@galloglass6176]

Is it the 1911 or the manufacturer. Did Ww2 marines have the same issues? I suspect they didn't.

[@blackops8996]

I think they did

[@galloglass6176]

@@blackops8996 the Long Range Desert Group valued 1911s in the most extreme desert environments. SBS canoeists paddled into enemy harbours with just a 1911 and a dagger. If they were of no use after a few days then they would have chosen something else.

[@HaveAblessedDay7777]

Exactly!

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

theres no doubt that the 1911/2011 platform shines in the trigger. i was on bandwagon, but c2 had feeding issues. i like my platypus though, they got it right, they implemented glock magazines😂. but still, the trade off for a nice trigger isnt worth it, especially now that the timney trigger is now a thing. glock with a timney trigger is the ultimate package in my own opinion and experience.

[@justinhaagensen5277]

Hey Ben, what's up man? If you want a good rock solid reliable Duty/Competition pistol go buy one of these pistols 1.) OA Defense 2311 Compact Pro 2.) the Archon Firearms Type B or 3.) a Grand Power X-calibur Match CO

[@Cryptic-1-9-1-1]

I completely agree that 1911/2011 style guns aren't going to be great in a dust bowl. Just by design, they are generally very tight slide to frame fitment, so that kind of invasive sand filled environment is no bueno. I ran into that with my wilson edc x9 at an outdoor public range in basically a sand dune during a wind storm. We had to keep them slide locked open on the bench when not shooting, so you'd put it down for a few minutes and it was like you dunked it in a bucket of sand. It didn't like to cycle after a while once it got sand in places you didn't know existed. Other than that, like general security or police type usage, I don't really see an issue, but can't deny that anything else with a sloppy slide to frame fit really isn't going to care much if some sand gets in there

[@SoccerVJ2011]

Full video please

[@Wolfman-i9c]

Where can is see the rest of this video ?

[@AB-zh1jr]

Well, I'm not a police officer in Iraq so I think I'll be fine with my Staccato in the Mid-Atlantic.. It's well known that 1911/2011's need up keep and more maintenance than your average wonder 9. That being said I honestly would not carry a 1911/2011 into any combat zone. Glock's and even Sig P320's are great guns that can be used in a lot of different applications I'll never argue that. I can't modify a P320 or Glock even just a little bit for duty carry and I hate the stock grip module on the p320, and the grip angle and trigger on the Glock. Straight from the box Staccato fits my needs as far as trigger, grip angle, and I like the weight for recoil management. I don't need to modify the platform at all. If you're shooting a shit ton of rounds (and not expecting to have to clean or tune it) through the gun and or exposing the gun to very adverse conditions like sand/mud etc. then a 1911/2011 is probably not the gun for you. The most my duty gun is exposed to is some rain and some snow which is nothing it can't handle.

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

Travis Haley is in his fighting stance listening to this 😂 that dude is a joke.

[@leftyo9589]

must have been some unicorn tears for my 100% clean comment to be removed!! LOL

[@michaelturk7237]

People will always bring up how SF have been issued 1911s, but never how the soldiers actually felt about then in field ops. SF get issued a ton of gear that sees limited use, because part of their secondary duties is testing small arms for viability amd use case.

[@mulder4528]

Resident old guy carried a 1911 in uniform for over 30 then later a 2011. I could not agree more with this vid. I’m a glock guy now it’s not perfect either but if I went back to work it would be a glock for me probably a model 45. Seated in a car on a gun belt for hours, attached to a vest etc. the shorter slide is a way more comfortable option. Running a decent red dot the slide length from 4 to 4.5 in the case of the 45/47 just to me makes no difference.

[@sk21rt54]

I have a bunch of striker fired guns they are great and very reliable. I would trust my life to them. Unfortunately they get boring. I got into 1911s last year, and it's extremely addicting. I love the looks and stlying. Love the way they feel in my hands. If I pull out a gun to dry fire and tinker with, most of the time, it's one of my 1911s. They look and feel like a man's gun. I rotate them in my carry. I have a government .45, commander 9mm, MR920 w/ 507c, glock 19, and a CZP10SC. I enjoy carrying the 1911s the most. Now, if shit kicks off in some kind of "Doomsday" scenario, im taking the glock 19 and as many mags as I can. Doesn't have to be all or nothing.

[@johnm5131]

I don't think there is any doubt that a highly challenging environment would favor a glock or H&K. But to be fair, there are also RECON guys who loved their 1911s, my long-time instructor being one of them. He runs a glock now, and feels they are superior as a duty weapon, but also does not see the drama over the 1911. M4s can be finicky as well, and the M9 was finicky. The M18 is the opposite...you can't get it to stop going off.

[@rajinbin]

Does matt have channel because I like to listen to cook people. Reminds me on chill DI who was all business.

[@mrdato116]

Never understood point of 2011? I guess its good sports shooting gun. As a combat gun its just has too many moving parts.

[@medikpac7105]

That, and I guess the old timers are more used to the manual of operations.

[@donovanx85]

Is there a longer video of this live?

[@jarrettmcdaniel3736]

I’ve carried a Staccato P on duty for 3 years now. I have approximately 10k rounds through it and have only experienced 1 (ammo related) malfunction. That being said, it’s not a good choice for new officers or those that neglect firearms maintenance. It’s not for everyone but it is my preferred pistol for duty use.

[@markhansen9735]

17 is the goat.

Its the golden age of polymer pistols. M&P, Walther, H&K, CZ are all producing quality firearms as reliable as glock. The great thing about glock is the caliber selection. They definitely aren't the best of the polymer pistols now.

[@DirtMcGirk]

1911/2011 Fanboys everywhere ugly-crying in their gun rooms. “I carry a .45 because I can’t carry a .46” and “The Glock doesn’t have that knockdown power a 1911 has” are just a couple of the hilarious jokes that come to mind while I’m watching this clip.

[@Zzero5728]

Hahaha

[@JACKH88GG]

Is there a way to send an email with photos to Ben ? I believe it will be of interest to Ben for the new Sig X5

[@thebronzetoo]

Is there a long version of this for those of us that have been kicked off Instagram?

[@rurouniad]

REM oil boyzzzzzzzz assemble!

[@V30751]

Does Matt have a KZbin channel?

[@audiophool864]

I sold my colt 1911 and sigs bought a glock and been happy ever since.

[@shadowlexXx1214]

Lol all the staccatos haters are gonna circle jerk to this one. 😂

[@tylerfrogley1227]

I imagine keeping that wet in Iraq and Afghanistan was also worse because it would collect and keep the dust

[@medikpac7105]

My opinion may change as I get more into the platform, but I think there is a decent chance double stack 1911s may have a truly viable "duty" option in the next few years. Wouldn't be adopted by militaries, but I could definitely see widespread adoption for LE or SWAT, where you're not gonna be getting major dirt, grime, etc. Main issue right now being- they are just too expensive compared to every other platform. That makes it a non-starter for now.

[@Proton_Decay]

Californians stuck with P320s and ancient Glocks and CZs :( :( :(

[@peanutarbuckle2879]

Pretty interesting/telling anecdote is that some people the unit Matt retired out of, who were using 1911s around the same time he was, modified their open top holsters with flaps like the old school army canvas holsters. They'd deactivate the flap once the dust kicked up by their vehicles calmed down a little or before entering buildings. I've had pretty good luck with 1911s in some harsh environments but knowing how the average cop treats their gun and hearing these stories and watching these videos (and reading the comments lol) I can't help but ask: are you carrying the gun, or is the gun carrying you?

[@inferna7327]

Delta practices hundreds of 100000's of rounds, and the tolerances of the gun needs to be mechanically reliable at all times, people get withdrawed or kicked out for missing. And then it needs to be reliable in a battlefield setting, while being precise enough for a hostage rescue 1 tap shot which is the bare least minimum standard expected. If your career and profession is on the line through your tools, and the worst environments against your equipment. why do people have such a diffcult time accepting that the 2011 model is simply a inherently a design from an age when guns didn't have the benefits of advancements or the benfit of being shot 10000s and 10,000s of times and being shared, put in the field in the worst conditions

[@erichironsson8592]

The amount of copium from both sides of anecdotal discussions about types of pistol is ridiculous. There are 1911/2011 nerds and fudds, and there are the striker-fire church ladies. Both are proven, get over it.

[@SoccerVJ2011]

Stacatto Cops punching air right now

[@JP-of8uq]

Next in, Honda Civics vs Ferraris!

[@ShootingSportsandAccesso-sd9li]

More like a model t versus a Corolla

[@johnlatzke3631]

Ferraris are also unreliable and overpriced 😂

[@destroyerofgear]

I really hate all the car analogies. With a car you can buy performance in a way that you can't with guns. The difference between aggressively shooting my P365xl and my 2011 is way less than the difference between a civic and an actual performance car.

[@JP-of8uq]

@@destroyerofgear a 2011 vs a p365xl is night and day dude. Even a 43x vs a 19 is night and day.

[@Wolfman-i9c]

Honda vs Toyota. Honda not as good quality in my experience

[@jordanwilliams6972]

19/2011 fudds seething rn

[@LightofRyga]

Glocks have a very large slit between the frame and the slide thats so large you can look through to the other side. Dirt, dust, and grime go straight into the action. Glock fanboy detected.

[@piouswhale]

doesnt matter what gets in there the gun still works ya dummy

[@user-hk9cy1cf1c]

2011s and 1911s are neat range toys but serve no practical or duty purpose. They are the F1 cars of pistols.

[@medikpac7105]

Yes and no- I mean it's a gun, and a gun that was used for MUH TWO WORL WARS. It's outclassed in a lot of ways, but there's still merit to the platform.

[@blackops8996]

​@medikpac7105 1911 are pure garbage compared to the sig and glock platforms

[@medikpac7105]

@@blackops8996 mediocre bait

[@sk21rt54]

​@@blackops8996 settle down nancy

[@baddogg7783]

From my experience as a cop, it seems like the Cops who fantasize about gear have staccatos. These are also the ones who abuse their power and suck at shooting glocks. People like “miss spelled mojo” need to stop idolizing staccato…

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Milspec Mojo runs multiple guns dude and started with a stock glock what are you on😂😂

[@baddogg7783]

@@dariuswilliams7509 two words: Staccato/Acro

[@AlmightyRodga]

Wait people actually buy glocks?

[@medikpac7105]

No, they grow in police arsenals, you can just get one on the way back from the grocery store.

[@AlmightyRodga]

@@medikpac7105 I missed the joke