Glorious Forehand Action | Andrew Marwede Form Review

[@maxray29]

oh hey, it's me, 'most players', not doing the thing correctly enough. I recently figured out that I need to hold the disc as tightly as possible which has fixed an early release and tons of wobble, so I'm glad that you've just pointed out 18 or 19 more things I can work on with my forehand form, starting with the mantis pose.

[@balance_dg]

Been craving forehand content! Thank you for this 🔥🔥

[@michaelcushman]

excellent video and analysis. A few additional areas. Just like BH, the key is maximizing shoulder lag, relative to the hips. Max close, then explosive opening of the hips while shoulder hangs back creates the lag. Off-arm is part of throw. Its shoulder goes from closed to max open to accelerate the throwing shoulder rotation forward. the elbows need to swing in the same plane, same distance from the ribs to keep the spine on axis as the shoulders rotate. Cool how he and other big throwers lean backward, slightly, at snap of whip. I never tire of seeing that pose.

[@drewdoering5077]

Great video! Depending on what you mean by "mashing on the flight plate," I do that during my forehand backswing, too. Maybe it's different for Andrew or others, but for me, I'm more just trying to push the disc deeper into my grip from the front side -- basically simulating the amount of force my grip will have to endure as I swing it through to the hit point. It's one thing to have a good grip on the disc when your hand is at rest, but it's another thing to know that you've got a good grip on the disc even when your arm is whipping forward with all the energy you've accumulated in your kinetic chain. As you've touched on in other videos, having the disc as far back in the "thumb meat" as possible helps reduce any grip-related off-axis torque, and the off-hand action in the backswing (for me) is just a thing that helps with that.

[@mikestrout]

Man, watching his throw in slow motion makes is pretty clear to me why so many pros are laying off the forehand because they are getting hurt. Elbow, shoulder, back, hip, and knee, all being torqued in ways our bodies weren't designed for. It is amazing to me that Stokley still has a forehand cannon after so many years of playing.

[@danielmakuch3094]

I think this is a sports medicine/training issue more than anything. It’s no more strenuous a motion than throwing a fastball, pitchers spend months working up to speed before they start to unleash. Heck we did that when I was in high school. Note the early season injuries before a lot of arms have reach mid season shape Of course there is still room for injury regardless of conditioning but I think it’s an important point to make especially for players that don’t have a background in throwing sports

[@markhumphrey8894]

The idea of keeping the disc in place and just stepping forward is so comfortable feeling to me. I used to try and swing the arm back while stepping forward. It caused major OAT. Now I feel like I'm just throwing the arm forward with the hips and snapping the wrist. It comes out on a laser, low level. Feels powerful. Keep grip tight and let it rip. Thanks for breaking this down.

[@raymaarmstrong9070]

Always enjoy your analysis/breakdown. My forehand was really consistent and smooth when I used to play only forehand, because I had really good wait transfer onto my front leg and allowed myself to complete the throwing motion bringing my hips through. This video seems to have confirmed that I have been focusing too much on the throwing hand only. Didn’t know about your channel until the creator’s cup

[@BigSacCombo]

I decided today was the day for forehand field work and then this drops. That’s a mighty sixth sense you got.

[@jacobbaugus6311]

Great breakdown of some of the basic forehand mechanics necessary for a solid sidearm! Been needing some forehand content to help with my own. The way that you explained the coiling and uncoiling of the shoulders for the forehand is something I hadn't seen before! Great content as always!! I've been enjoying the pro reviews, and will be looking out for that drill you referenced!

[@drewfasa]

I find that the one finger grip allows me to use a "spanking" motion rather than the "serving the pizza" motion. I have small hands and the two finger stack makes me supinated my wrists quite a lot.

[@ktvlm3987]

thanks for pointing out the creating of space with the body, not the arm.. i've been doing this but struggled to explain it to my friend who is using a lot of arm

[@jordanduffy3514]

The most impressive thing to big forehanders is the ability to separate their hips, core and shoulders. Also, a tight grip alleviates any wobble. I can say I'm a big forehand guy, the brace on the front foot and keeping your spine angle will increase spin and distance more than any other tip besides nose angle integrity.

[@bryansans2564]

LOVE your channel. I am able to find things i missed. I am crossing my feet, i have a feeling its why elbow hurts as my body is playing catch up.

[@Skiedragon]

Cool. My one takeaway from the clip is the arm going directly towards the ground from the shoulder and forming a perfect 90 degree angle at the elbow. Gotta give it a try.

[@cadynwurm4601]

One finger grip helps you engage your wrist more, adding more flip and thus causing less flutter. This is probably how he has developed such nice control and also effortless flick.

[@JejuneJesuit]

Super nice analysis. Feels good to have some building blocks for the sidearm!!

[@orb2150tx]

I use 1 finger forehand. I'm told over and over to start using 2,but I cannot throw it comfortably. Also,I can only throw wide rim accurately. Mids,putters and skinny rim fairways are unpredictable and less controlled with my forehand.

[@mordek777]

Oh man, exactly what I needed. Now to send a backhand or forehand video 🤔

[@danielmakuch3094]

I started bending over as mentioned, as a method of aligning my eyes with my arm slot towards the target. As I put more time into my forehand my baseball mechanics slowly creep into my form and it absolutely has led to faster progress forehand than backhand. At least in terms of power generation, angle control and overall accuracy is going to take some time

[@datrucksdavea2080]

Cool, ty look forward to trying to keep elbow in same place and have the body move away from it. Much like walking around the backhand..

[@datrucksdavea2080]

Awesome, thanks! Game changer, amazing! I can throw it farther and more consistently without even throwing the disc. Trailing arm whip action. Thanks again!

[@broderalias]

This one and the one with Philo is pure gold for me

[@andrewweber7949]

Interesting how both Philo and Marwede throw modest distance with 'simple' clean form AND both use a relatively unconventional grip style. Great vid as always :)

[@kirkthomsen7830]

good video. what's up with the Wable?

[@Martin_Kirk]

I have absolutely no forehand game whatsoever. This video is really helping me understand more about it! Would you recommend I learn forehand from a stand still first or incorporate a walk up at the same time?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I like a little shuffle stepn

[@Cristopher1976]

Good stuff. I still rock his firebirds sometimes.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

he's got Hurricanes for ya now

[@danielmakuch3094]

I adjusted my reachback to resemble Andrew’s here and man my accuracy and angle control just leveled up. My right lat is extremely sore like I pitched 9 innings yesterday. Haven’t felt that in years. Elbow feels great (I had issues with it as a teenage ballplayer) lat soreness a symptom of arm conditioning in your experience/opinion??

[@DrD04K]

Another thing I think a lot of people get wrong on a forehand is that the throwing arm should be almost completely straight, extended away from the body at release, which you clearly see here. I think a lot of beginner guides tell people to keep their elbow tight to the body to prevent rounding, but then they keep their elbow bent at release which robs them of power.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yerp. Need the extension away from the body on up tempo shots

[@cedricg5108]

Great video… As always! Quick question what is the software/App you use to analyse these videos?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Coaches eye

[@AskLind]

Have you seen the forhand video with Ryan Sheldon? Thought that was a really nice video

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I haven’t but I need to

[@clipnclap4256]

DGA RULES!!! Nice vid

[@ryansuter4424]

I noticed to that his front foot is pointing forward on the step forward rather than pointing side ways and then rotating as many players do while doing the back hand throw. Question: what is better? Place foot down pointing forward or place it more horizontal and then pivot the foot toward?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Somewhere between forward and 20 degrees off I would say

[@ryansuter4424]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Cool! You put a smile In my face today!

[@brandonbyerly7982]

I would love to see him throw deferent angles

[@bing0942]

I am interested in the baseball drill mentioned around the 2:30 mark.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Next forehand video will have it

[@ryansuter4424]

Thank you!

[@m3rkedout]

@Overthrow Disc Golf Is there a certain video software that you use/recommend?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For what? Editing?

[@m3rkedout]

@Overthrow Disc Golf Form review, side-by-side comparisons, etc. But I would be interested in the editing software as well!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@m3rkedout the side by side comparison is done on Coaches Eye which is no longer being maintained

[@theOcean41]

Andrew is local to me and I've always used a one finger grip as well. I'm way more accurate with it and get more distance with it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@richardpintor3888]

Great break down!

[@LAAA13]

There’s quite a bit of wobble once released…. is the one-finger grip the main cause of this?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Could be but hard to say. Wobble is lack of spin relational to speed.

[@DadAboutIt]

Bose 700's on the sideline there. Fire.

[@NaJk93]

Any suggestions for full workouts for discgolf? I can't throw forehands as i just get golf/tennis elbow from it. I know my form is wobbly on it, so it could be the force goes into my elbow instead of the disc. But would appriciate it! i want to play this sport as long as i can, i think most would!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Probably partially a form issue, but for workouts I'd head over to Disc Golf Strong.

[@NaJk93]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the response! And that i will do!

[@Ishiisan]

Can we get more of this? Slow motion forehand with three views?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We don’t have anymore pros lined up at the moment unfortunately

[@samuelpark4818]

Break down Chandler Kramers forehand!

[@brianhourigan771]

I ruin a lot of shoes with my foot drag. Really sucks! Lifting the foot so it doesn't happen seems to be my kryptonite

[@Mode1RC]

Awesome review. And your Squatch link is broken.

[@clawshooter5867]

I met him at Ohio championship, I thought I was the only one who threw forehands one finger. Picture it like this you don't skip a stone across the water with two fingers

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

but you don't throw a baseball with one?

[@theemonegro]

The new video I have to say cuz you said go back and watch this. His back foot never goes sideways like you said he pigeon toes to be on the ball of his foot and rotates forward. So if people rotate their foot out they will sustain injury go to 1:22 and do frame by frame

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Are you talking about his right foot?

[@theemonegro]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf whichever foot you would consider his back foot. Go watch the video of aroldis Chapman throwing a 105mph fast ball he may start turned like every baseball pitcher but his back foot is at a 45 degree when he starts lifting his left foot during the wind up already facing his target before his hips move forward. Go frame by frame on the aroldis Chapman video. It's more about being on the toe of the back foot pushing off and it's hard to get into an athletic position like that if your in the immovable horse stance with your hip locked open because your back foot is 90 degrees

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@theemonegro check out 4:30 here from the back view. You’ll see how flared that foot is. Also, throwing from an overhand slot is way different than a sidearm slot

[@theemonegro]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I see that he plants with his heel and then automatically goes to toe but he never has any perpendicular body part everything is going towards the target. Otherwise it would be the immovable horse stance. and yes I know throwing overhand seems different but that's the way the shoulder wants to move don't blame me that's physics and biomechanics fault. In order for what you're saying especially in he new video to be true your elbow would have to hinge sideways without supination or your shoulder would be a fixed hinge that way there's no point you can pass to rip your shoulder out like eagle. And what I just explained is the reason your sport has a tendon tear named after it and the other one is golf tennis and golf elbow are bad and are caused by people thinking they have proper technique because this is how they saw someone else do it not taking into account that trying to forehand a serve when it's a foot away from your body causes elbow pain. and the coaches always say a little bit of pain is normal until you get used to it just push through. Well it's be nice if disc golf wasnt like that. But with eagle Simon Gavin Kristin uli Casey white albert tamm mcbeth and the whole list of disc golfers that have experienced elbow or shoulder pain probably from the ucl is kinda hard to disregard

[@vepsuu106]

Explain why is scott stokely one of the best at forehand and he is throwing completely different

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on Ryan Sheldon's FH or his advices/tips from kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_Id2qPm6qkpNU.

[@rood5681]

Forehand is weird cause I can crank it out to maybe just shy of 400 and I don't ever work to improve it. All of my practice has been to improve my backhand. About 9 months in the sport with no prior athletic background.

[@blainegallant1063]

If he used two fingers, maybe he could get a little more distance. Two fingers, however, would give up a lot of accuracy. So.... to each their own!

[@jaym6945]

Like the hair :D

[@leogoku13]

I guess I'm the only one focused on the back of his hair lol

[@wisherb1]

What about stepping through like nate sexton.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

yep. there are a couple footwork patterns that work well for forehand. The main thing is that it doesn't open your hips early.

[@ImFictitious]

Wait, the elite FH guys throw around 400ft? I honestly thought they'd be 450-500, with BH players pushing 600+...

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

No. 400 isn’t elite. I think you’re right. Elite distance would be 450-500 on golf lines for the forehand

[@billbaldridge6903]

Nice work. 2 questions for Josh: 1) What hardware/software would you recommend the average person record and study their form on? Record (slow-mo if possible?) on phone/review on PC? Or are there better free/inexpensive options? 2) If I've been playing for 1.5 years and want to get serious about improving form now and want to join the Patreon, should I record my form and work on some basics first and then seek help or just dive right in and join? I feel like if I joined the first questions would be have you done X, Y, Z drills and recorded and reviewed your form. Might be better to do some "homework" first?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Hey Bill. Most phones have high enough video quality and slow mo to record and watch your form back on. So that’s my recommendation as it is convenient. It’s hard to say if I would send you to a specific video first without seeing form as each person is different in how they think and what problems they have. I would check out our drills playlist after you have recorded yourself first though.

[@billbaldridge6903]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Ok thanks. I have devoured most of the content (yours and others) so it's all in my head what to do correctly just a matter of recording/correcting and building up proper form. Another question: In looking at the different patreon tiers, could you give a little more detail about what the discord benefits are, what "form review submissions" and "30 minute lesson" means? Does form review submissions mean I can record my form and you will review it and give drills/how to fix advice X times per month? How would a 30 minute lesson go?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@billbaldridge6903 yep. We have a video on here and on our Patreon about how that all works. Much better than a text explanation here. It’s called: Form Reviews, Private Lessons, & More! | Patreon

[@billbaldridge6903]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Sorry I didn't see it but I see it now and that answered my questions except one. For the form reviews, is it once or twice per month per person?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@billbaldridge6903 it’s once per month per person but we do two of them so you can choose whether to get into the early or later one.