He's SMOOTH With It | Philo Brathwaite Form Review

[@seabas22]

Pretty sure Philo's index finger is tucked under the rim and disc pivots around it. He and MJ helped me with grip way back, they both have very similar form.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Reaaaaaly? Now that would be interesting. On his slow mo video he showed a back loaded grip to me. I wonder if it changed or if he changes it during the throw perhaps?

[@seabas22]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf This is what Philo told me verbatim "When I'm driving a disc, be it a driver, mid range of putter, I focus on the pinch between my thumb and index finger. That is the optimal control point in the grip. That along with the palm of the hand. My thumb is pushing into the rim of the disc on an angle above where my index locks into the inner rim of the disc. this allows my other fingers to fall comfortably in behind the pinching index finger."

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@seabas22interesting. Did you see the slow motion video we put up with him where he showed grip? Is that the same grip he had back then?

[@seabas22]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Pretty sure the disc still pivots on his index finger in that grip even though it's relaxed, it's tucked under enough like MJ's and he probably clenches it in more during the throw. Josh Anthon keeps his thumb and index finger off the disc the entire backswing and then pinches them going forward.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@seabas22 I’ll have to check the unabridged version of that part of the interview but I’m pretty sure he was explaining a backloaded grip to me because both Mikey and I thought it was super weird.

[@zbhale]

Please do a form review of Seppo Paju. I feel like he has a unique throw.

[@jakemaster4449]

This!!

[@mad85123]

What about Emmerson Keith? That dude is the most efficient thrower, being able to throw 550+ for his size.

[@themoonbubble]

unique: from another world the guy literally does no wind up or run up

[@vincentvdedekom]

This please!

[@octogintillion]

@@mad85123 Another reason why Emerson would be awesome to review is that his arm never straightens out on the reach back. It sounds ludicrous, but go look at some slowmos of his drives. I would be really interested to see Josh explain how he can get so much distance with a bent arm.

[@calebdyer6332]

I really like how you study form. I feel like having someone to think through and analyze form is super important. Because all forms are different. And for along time there have been misconceptions it all comes down to feel vs. real.

[@IronGoober]

I think an Albert Tamm breakdown would be interesting. He looks effortless to get ~75mph.

[@brandonbyerly7982]

My favorite thing about josh explaining form is some times I can feel it in my mind if that make sense. I can feel the swing

[@tylerpohler3271]

Josh what I've noticed about Drew is how much pelvic extension he gets through the shot compared to other pros, kinda like a kettle bell swing, and Simon just like Eagle eats up just about every bit of horizontal force his run up creates

[@smileyboy2700]

Please review Kristian Kuoksa form. He's longest thrower currently, 781 ft thrower without 360 throw and insane tailwind. I've been trying to copy his form but I am unable to. Idk what he's doing exactly. He rotates so fast even on standstill which goes 500ft+.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Maybe he’ll send us video to watch

[@smileyboy2700]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf If you want, I can provide you clips of his throws. I've been downloading his throws lately. I also asked via email for 2 vids, behind and side view but haven't received any response yet.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@smileyboy2700 it’s alright. I would prefer to get him to record something specifically for us to use if possible

[@modestaf6618]

If you want to throw like Philo think about mixing a big pot with your throwing hand. Make that huge round circle mixing motion with your left rib and lower abs. By doing it like that you feel this huge flex and stretch on your left rib and lower abs, and also it makes you reach out not "reachback". I hope you guys understand what I mean.

[@sevemoralez6260]

Mad respect for Philo as a human. Seems like a really great man.

[@MonkeyFreeZone]

Nice breakdown - having a positive focus target is always a good thing (versus focusing on "not" doing something). Nice adding-on to the video with Christine Jennings.

[@tanskasenherrasvaki3533]

I chose thw right man to mimic few years ago when i started.

[@jeffnarum1373]

When I started I really liked the way Will Schusterick threw.

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

@4:22 "Orion's Belt™" i'm on a hotstreak today

[@SouthernRG]

When I started the pendulum swing, I started throwing straight “more Consistently “!!!! Before I would throw pretty straight, but time to time I would be early or late…. Hitting the gap has become not so hit and miss… I would say that it was the missing key to my timing…

[@krispendleton4662]

Great breakdown. I was at a clinic in PDX during the open and bent knees came up a lot as well as the backswing sans "reach back". Since bending my knees i have become far more accurate and i have started to recognize A LOT of pros putting A LOT of bend in their knees. Just gotta watch to much boynce on the up swing.

[@wanukasfobia6007]

You should def make a little breakdown of Kristian Kuoksa's form. If he throws as far as he does in his videos he's handsdown the longest thrower in disc golf.

[@ZeeK33NKS]

Im seeing one swing closer to the modern golf swing (drew) and one closer to the older golf swing (philo). Modern golf swing very much encourages clearing the hips and utilizing the ground to spring up to generate more force.

[@DarrickBaker4]

It looks to me like Simon seems to pivot on his heel more so than the side of the foot compared to Philo, even though they have similar styles. Do you see anything that you think might be the reason for that given your observation regarding the springer style of pivoting on the side/front of foot? I've been trying to work on pivoting on the heel rather than the toe. Thanks for all your videos, they have really helped me improve!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Check out our video with Christine Jennings. We talk about it in there and I think the visuals are helpful

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

im a fan of slider .. or Rider™ (Rise before Deliver)

[@mattb1501]

so im having trouble with the up down up x step transfer of momentum. what does it feel like in the moment? i would assume it's kinda similar to what a skip feels like?

[@twofifty6]

Bradley Williams is another dude that I feel like will be competing at the highest level for many, many years. His form is so buttery smooth. He has a somewhat abbreviated pump. This has been my contribution to the algorithm bump. Hey that last part even rhymes!

[@davereloader8837]

His form is so great. Love to watch him throw. His form looks a lot like our local NC hero: Phil Bartholomew. Check out Phil, too. He bombs.

[@twofifty6]

@@davereloader8837 PB is my coach. 🙂

[@davereloader8837]

@@twofifty6 Haha nice. He's a good teacher and good dude.

[@twofifty6]

@@davereloader8837 Yeah. He has really helped with my form. I still have a long ways to go, but I’m able to pretty consistently hit 290-300ft now. Previously I’d say I would average about 250-260, and would only occasionally be able to get close to 300. Still haven’t hit my goal of 375ft, but my game has definitely improved. This month I shot up from a 794 rating to 872. 🙂

[@davereloader8837]

@@twofifty6 Cool. Lets play sometime. I'm in hillsborough.

[@dr05guitar]

Nice! Philo is fun to watch...have you done one of these on Bradley Williams? That guy is smooth too.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haven’t done Bradley yetb

[@dr05guitar]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf looking forward to it, if you choose to...always interesting though, whomever you choose!

[@patrickflanigan951]

I would point out that the downward motion of hips is not a function of anything other than the stretch of the plant foot. The further out it plants the further the hips will go down. An extreme example of this would be a gymnast who will eventually get to a full split and have the hips inches off the ground. Point here I suppose is that that the drop of the hips is not something we should actively think about

[@themoonbubble]

The Europeans throwing 700 feet actually use this as part of their technique it allows them to stand up and use their legs in a squat fashion right at the end of the throw to put a little bit more into it Kind of an advanced technique most people shouldn’t be thinking about it

[@brennanvoss5657]

Can you do a form review on some of the pros putting ?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Interesting concept!

[@VirtueSignal9000]

it’s remarkable the overlap between disc golf and ball golf ⛳️

[@sueinraleigh3091]

What is a “front loaded” grip?

[@gustaphzon]

It is where you have the pressure on the disc. Check out their video about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/goKklH6JocurkKc

[@hexvillain]

Philo is the mannnnn!

[@mordek777]

I don't think this means anything but formal request for Corey Ellis form review. I happened to notice he's sporting a Squatch bag too... ;)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We were supposed to get him on but there were some scheduling conflicts that came up last minute. We are going to try to make it work

[@mordek777]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Nice!!

[@douglasallen3]

speaking of smooth with it... that mic in my apple airpod pro max is buttery!

[@stevencombescure6928]

Any chance you can review and figure out how Cole Redalen is throwing 700ft?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I would love to. Heard he reworked his form to be more like Drew’s. We just have to get him to send us footage.

[@edwinvasquez6364]

Love your breakdown video’s man, they help so much in knowing what to look for in my own form! P.S.: I would love to know what apps you use on your iPad for these breakdowns! (Or maybe even a behind the scenes of how you prepare to do a form review! Sorry I’m a techy lol)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We use an app called Coaches Eye. It’s no longer being maintained

[@pedersondd]

Looks like you are changing directions on backhand form.. the forward pump conflicts with your previous stack video

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Not changing directions. Just identifying different styles.

[@dennisfunk3921]

Wait where are the comments? I'm confused

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You have to go further down than this

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Hopefully you can find them one day

[@captainnemo314]

My favorite player!

[@chrism-zm8mr]

What did you mean about his grip ?

[@krys2fur]

I think he means he's not pinching the disc between his thumb and index finger to get that pivot point to get more spin. As I said, I think...

[@brandonbyerly7982]

Do you thank you have to walk around the disc to get lag

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Walking around the disc is a way to describe shoulder coil and other concepts. You can also just swing the disc back.

[@brandonbyerly7982]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf got ya, I thank I'm going to incorporate the forward pump, I thank that will help also. Getting me in rhythm

[@ibanezrg7421]

Didn't need a form video to know that Philo is buttery with the frisbees.

[@Martin_Kirk]

Just found your channel dude, love your content! Can you make a video explaining the clock system when it comes to grip and release? I keep hearing people refer to 10 o'clock but I'm not exactly sure what they mean. Are they referring to my body position? Throwing line? The disc itself? Thanks in advance.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

12:00’ is throwing line

[@Needled88]

12 clock is the way you aim with your body (your right hip as a rhbh) 10 clock is the release point of a disc.

[@michaelclarke1716]

basically if youre throwing to 12 o clock youll release the disc at 10 oclock. but you need to be swinging the disc in and back out for this. not pulling straight thru.

[@justindg21]

We love philos form.

[@davereloader8837]

Do Patrick Brown for us old guys. He makes it look sooo easy.

[@jessebond1159]

Doesn't his form kinda contradict your "no hop or lift" in the X step? Just curious I may be seeing things different?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Where did I say no hop or lift? I like a well done crow hop for sure. What I don’t like is when people jump so high up that they can’t spring back up in the end because they have too much force going downwards. Paul is a master of crow hopping but keeping the overall level pretty low. If I made a statement elsewhere that seemed anti crow hop it was 100% unintentional or I explained poorly.

[@jessebond1159]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf OHHHH! No, I think I misunderstood. That makes sense because some amateurs will actually come off the ground during their X step. So having some bounce is okay? I was trying to mimic Pauls low stride in his X step where he is basically gliding across the x step instead of hopping.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@jessebond1159 yep. Bounce is for sure okay. Just needs to be done well.

[@mariotolberg5565]

Love the content! Albert and Barry please

[@joehand9822]

Dan ginley has to have the most nonchalant throw I have ever seen. I want to throw like him when I grow up

[@NickCarroll]

Other smooth candidates: Cale Leiviska, Luke Humphries, Bradley Walker, Mason Ford.

[@aztodd]

Yes for us "older " guys!

[@JonMagnificent]

My fav.

[@halervin702]

Enjoyed

[@corneliuscd]

Slide + Spring = Sling -> Slinger

[@Tsukmu]

I think Philo is just not using enough of his lower body to gain power. I suggest you to watch videos of Kristian Kuoksa, he is the master of using lower body to gain power and speed to the throw. Kristian has couple of videos on youtube throwing over 700ft and one where he breaks his own record and throws 780ft. When the throws 500ft it doesn't even look like he is trying. I think he has to be the longest thrower right now in disc golf.

[@seabas22]

KK is built like superman, IMO most people can't do what he does. I think Philo is just not athletic enough to throw further, his mechanics are sound.

[@ryankane8836]

I'm in the comments down below ...

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

How on earth did you find them?

[@DrivingInstructor101]

The comments are on the corner

[@90mattehhh]

Algo, Algo, Algorithm

[@ChrispyCannon]

Drifters

[@deanchance1442]

Algorithm bump

[@buddharmt]

He's a toe spinner?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Like side of foot

[@buddharmt]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf hey what do I know. I'm just a newbie pleb. Much love from. Canada