Sir David Davis: It's 'Highly Probable' Lucy Letby Is Innocent

[@AEKarys]

Why is Susannah dressed like Austin Powers?

[@lindalittle1587]

😂😂😂😂

[@PassiveAgressive319]

🤣

[@Imyerda]

Yeah,Baby ....do i .

[@robertcumming9227]

😂😂😂😂

[@huanjie1628]

Very shagadelic

[@anchorite0103]

Can she shut up and let a person whom they invited for an interview to talk?!

[@marleneboycie4004]

Thank you she needs to take her ear mic off

[@katelewis536]

No she can’t because it is her job to tell the public what they should think.

[@anchorite0103]

@@katelewis536 😁 good one!

[@patrikfloding7985]

No, she can't.

[@sparkzy3136]

And also not stand on the graves of children at the very start of the interview to completely try and guilt trip him from portraying the opposing view.

[@mariaszigety376]

I am quite suspicious of the doctor who run the ward. I work in NHS and senior nurses and doctors always blame lower rank professionals. Doctors and Senior Nurses never ever take any responsibility of wrong doing. I saw this behaviour many times.

[@Moira_More]

As a nurse - I agree.

[@nikkidublin]

As a patient many times in hospital in Ireland i have seen the same happen here with doctors going against nurses even though the nurses know many patients better.

[@davidholland6304]

This celebrity dr ....

[@simonkendrick12]

Jesus christ, if you're gonna interview someone, at least allow them to answer!!! He was about to raise some important points and keeps getting cut off

[@martyjakob8611]

Yeah he was just about to lie some more.

[@annebosworth7048]

They only get a certain amount of time for each question... they can't let him waffle on...

[@Krytern]

David Davis lies about gay marriage. He claims churches are forced to allow the marriages in their church even though that has never happened. He constantly says "the establishment" makes us "what to think that" even though he is a part of the establishment, and it is a fact no church has been forced to. Basically don't trust a single word that man says he is a proven liar it is crazy people still vote him in.

[@LH-kr4od]

Agreed. It just fuels conspiracy theories when sensible points of view and legitimate questions aren't allowed to be expressed freely.

[@adrianwilliams469]

That's the idea of the media cut everybody off when they're talking about justice because sadly what the media says goes.

[@mikejackson459]

There have been so many miscarriages for justice that David Davis is quite right to pursue this. Keep going, Sir.

[@thecuriousguy1473]

And I'm not a fan of the Tories but he seems decent

[@solomonleonardsnell84]

I agree.

[@Fireglo]

Her first point makes no sense. How are the family's feelings relevant to this at all? If she's innocent she needs to be released and compensated immediately. The families being upset that they got the wrong person is a separate matter entirely.

[@algalgod159]

true. sadly, this how the modern media operates, they believe they are too influential (and they are) and this means any non-urgent or yet-to-be proven truth or benefit of the doubt is often cast aside and lost to their feeling of 'responsibility' which comes with this power vis-a-vis the audience (in this case the families)

[@beno1129]

Yes it's so annoying that people think that feelings and sentiments matter more than truth and facts. I personally think that Letby is guilty, but if there is cause for probable doubt then it should certainly be investigated. The feelings of the victims' families are beside the point. Letby too has a family after all.

[@SuperLeica1]

What if Letby is innocent? Do the stricken families really want to lock her up anyway? Doesn't sound reasonable to me!

[@tjmarx]

Because she personally is upset that he's raising this. It goes against the narrative she wants to believe. This is why every time he tried to make a point she'd cut him off and change the subject. None of her points made any sense. Courts get things wrong too. So do juries. Innocent point get found guilty every day. Given Davis just wants a review of the trial, nothing he's saying seems unreasonable.

[@vampy5071]

if she was innocent then why would she write these bizarre sticky notes with scribbles that look straight from an insane asylum, where she literally says "Im evil, I did this"

[@benwakefield93]

How can a court transcript not be free for the public? Its a public court.

[@terencefield3204]

Britain is a close to society in very many ways. This is another one of those ways.

[@freshtoast3879]

​@@terencefield3204 Expand on your answer, please.

[@proudtobeageordie9490]

​@@freshtoast3879courts n the justice system is closed to the rich n powerful is a innocent person is sent to jail it can take years and millions of pounds to defend yourself and prove your innocence..... The average person can't afford it

[@donnybrasco9330]

I listened to them all on courtroom 2 channel of her being cross examined, she’s guilty as sin

[@terencefield3204]

@@donnybrasco9330 I do doubt that.

[@Epilepticchefproductions]

If I was a parent of one of those kids, I'd want the right people to be held accountable. It's not far fetched that she could have been used as a scapegoat

[@stevenuttley]

I think most of her accusers genuinely believe what they say. The problem is that more and more problems are emerging re the way the prosecution assembled its evidence. Regarding the table they actually created the evidence. Lucy Letby didn't or couldn't afford to hire statisticians to create her own table but every statistician I've seen says the prosecution table is fatally flawed. Has a single statistician come forward so far to say the stats are impeccable and this is a fuss over nothing? I haven't seen one, they've all said the exact opposite so far.

[@jaycearoo]

True, it's happening to a lot of innocent people and the courts know it, it's happened to me and I wasn't guilty as it happened to a lot of others ...

[@terencefield3204]

As with Bristol some years ago, the condition of the little children was such that the statistical analysis was close to meaningless. There are circumstances where whatever one does tragedy and sadness occurs. Life is like that at the margins.

[@jaycearoo]

@@terencefield3204 Bless...

[@Vikt68]

Agreed.

[@timjohnson6802]

Sir David, keep going. I'm praying for a miracle that LL is released immediately. I'm definitely in the NG group. When she's released, the NHS, our justice system and the police will need reforming. Free Lucy now!!

[@Chloeswalks]

Me too I knew from the beginning

[@christopherstone4069]

What is wrong with susaanne? Hes a member of parliament, questioning wether there has been a misscarriage of justice. There hss been lots of miss carriages of justice throughout history, its not as though our justice system is perfect and isnt in need of continual improvement. I would expect mps to investigate. In fact i think it should be their duty to do so. Shes acting as though the court has supreme authority and its foolish to question. This is quite a damgerous technocrat / authoritative mind set.

[@Answersonapostcard]

she's a puppet for the elites

[@markneedham752]

Hand on hip. Glasses attached. Serious, concerned look. What is it with her. Her mind is closed.

ITV - msm are complicit imo - there are agreed narratives only the brave challenge - safe and effective - net zero - chem trails - etc - imo this was a cover up for NHS

[@CHuzz7777]

Ahh, well, this is simple. Lucy Letby isn’t part of a minority, she doesn’t have protected characteristics therefore, if she is found guilty it is an unquestionable fact. If Letby was a minority or had protected characteristics Suzanne would be looking at this from a different perspective. I’m not sure British justice has ever truly been blind but equally, I’m not sure it’s ever been more discriminatory and prejudiced. I make no statement on the innocence or guilt of Letby but if MPs and barristers are saying that there is something worth looking at here it should be looked at objectively and impartially. Something which political activism has succeeded in driving out of our society.

[@CHuzz7777]

Ahh, well, this is simple. Lucy Letby isn’t part of a minority, she doesn’t have protected characteristics therefore, if she is found guilty it is an unquestionable fact. If Letby was a minority or had protected characteristics Suzanne would be looking at this from a different perspective. I’m not sure British justice has ever truly been blind but equally, I’m not sure it’s ever been more discriminatory and prejudiced. I make no statement on the innocence or guilt of Letby but if MPs and barristers are saying that there is something worth looking at here it should be looked at objectively and impartially. Something which political activism has succeeded in driving out of our society.

[@mhl8396]

This interview exposes Susannah as such a lightweight, and completely unable to conduct an interview about such an in depth and important topic

[@rosyapplekitchen635]

Absolutely

[@JayJay-xd5lm]

She rarely says any thing of any any interest . Or ever seems particularly interested . Would work great with Partridge . Dont think its Austin Powers she's cos playing - it's Thatcher (!) .

[@hitterandrewpickles4649]

she's just a talking head that reads a script.

[@sebluketravis2438]

She is a m1lf that makes me grow

[@hitterandrewpickles4649]

@@sebluketravis2438 selected eye candy brings them views, they know this.

[@djreddy666]

How annoying Suzanna has become, my oh my! She'd be better off screen tbh

[@jonathanplastow5220]

I use to love her...... I can see how totally Shallow she now is....... Basically her job is as a low grade actress. The Media in this Country needs serious Maturing.

[@djreddy666]

@@jonathanplastow5220 Same!

[@Jenks1888]

Yep the new Cathy Newman

[@deedeedodo8092]

​@@jonathanplastow5220 👍👏👏👏

[@nicolajohnson1887]

It's not for me to say if she is guilty or not but the cost of the court documents is rather alarming. We do not live in a free or fair society that's for sure.

[@Hali88]

Yes and the statistical evidence was possibly misrepresented by the prosecution. Her barrister seemingly didn't try very hard to defend her in court. She may be guilty, but it's clearly not 'beyond all reasonable doubt'.

[@catsnmi270]

Glad to hear you've woken up! And now that Stalin is in control the UK is a Marxist state!

[@Kizzalovespugs]

They don't cost that much don't belive everything you see on tv and media. Crime scene to courtroom youtube channel has some of the court transcripts. There is 3000 hours worth. I suggest people listen to the case in depth if they think she is innocent

[@TheAntsNest]

Let's be real, after the second baby died in her care she didn't go find another job & when they arrested her another 8 more had kicked the bucket. Had no one arrested her she would still be there standing on a mountain of baby bones ☠

[@pjabber5679]

Wow, you're only realizing we don't live in a free or fair society now? Men have been getting wrongly convicted and thrown under the bus by a corrupt legal system and society for centuries but there's only a public outcry whenever there's a suggestion some woman may perhaps have been "wrongly convicted".

[@kurt479]

Because the NHS is open, transparent, always admits when it's at fault and always admits when people die needlessly in its care VS one nurse. They'd throw anyone under the bus to protect their own careers.

[@sgb6476]

They needed a scapegoat and of course the media wound it all up

[@HENNAtabasun1990]

@kurt479 they do it every day. They are very well practised at it, They are trained in it .

[@pasta8470]

You're 100% correct, and even worse they are politicised. 10 years ago A&E would drop everything for a person with chestpain. Now they will give you paracetemol, treat you like a "conspiracy theorist" and let you have a heart attack, claiming you had an "underlying condition"

[@Themystergamerr]

If they reported her to the police because they were sued for malpractice, your comment would make sense. However they reported her in an effort to reduce the deaths

[@EcoSailor]

​@@ThemystergamerrThe doctors who went to the police HAD been chastised for unprofessional conduct after Lucy, who was a whistleblower, called out the bullying culture and failings at the unit. They went after Lucy with fake claims and the police took the bait with the help of Evans, who volunteered to get involved even though another judge had dismissed a report he'd submitted in another trial as worthless. Lucy was scapegoated by the doctors and the CoC Trust even warned other staff to not give evidence for the defence or it might harm their careers. Why would they do that if there was nothing to hide?

[@easygeezeenlightenment]

Susannah and her attitude is the the exact reason people manage to end up found guilty when they're not.

[@jonathanplastow5220]

Very well said.

[@84jbd]

Writing notes saying 'I killed them' after loads of babies die whenever you're on shift has a stronger effect though... If people can't see Letby's guilt, they simply haven't looked into the case. She kept mementos from every baby she killed in a shoebox in her bedroom!

[@magenta6754]

There are lots of genuine concerns about this case - 1. Cherry picking of statistics which did not include deaths when Lucy was not present - the jury were duped into believing that Lucy was present at all the baby deaths which is far from true. Statisticians are united in challenging the data the Prosecution presented to the court. 2. Medical experts have spoken up and explained there is no evidence that the babies died from an air embolism. Professor Michael Hall and other neonatal medical experts have seriously questioned this as the cause of death. Yet air embolism was presented as a real cause of death during the trial - again misleading the jury. 3. Reports have come to light showing an outbreak of bacterial infection during the spike of deaths (2015-16). Premature babies, many with open lines would be highly vulnerable to such an infection. 4. Dr Jayaram's evidence has been shown to be incorrect. He testified that he 'virtually caught Lucy Letby red handed' standing over a baby with a dislodged tube. However, door swipe scans now show that at the time Dr J accused Letby of this there was another nurse also in the room. Dr J testified that Letby was alone, but clear evidence shows that she was not. 5. In Lucy's own journal she said 'Why me, I haven't done anything', but this and other innocent sounding comments were ignored by the media. 6. Strangely, no medical experts were called to testify for the defence. So the prosecution went unchallenged on the questionable medical facts they presented to the court.

[@khalidacosta7133]

Regardless of whether Letby is innocent or not, there are SEVERE flaws in the criminal justice procedure. It's been obvious for decades and nothing has been done to fix it. The Judges are not impartial as they should be and equal representation is not given.

[@cathrynmclean7624]

And there are hidden extremist working in the nhs that are intent on killing patients for their religion

[@missqt48]

Baby killer 1 or 14 Still a killer! What’s the point of going to uni and training if you can’t do the job properly.

[@lunatigannie8860]

Who say she couldnt do job.. this is the biggest stitch up ever.. from a nhs nurse ​@@missqt48

[@seymourclearly]

Mr Davis is one of the architects of brexit. He was useless, I wouldn't pay too much attention to his opinion on this. He is no expert on medical matters.

[@RRMayes248]

I am a nurse and take it from me, doctors always make mistakes and us nurses take the flack! also bullying is on every ward. If your face don't fit or you're quiet then you will be bullied. I left the NHS 10 years ago and i don't regret it one bit! I really THINK this girl is innocent, always have done! she needs a fair trail! That hospital was or still is a shambles! FREE LUCY

[@janebufton1960]

I agree with this one. I worked on a ward where I saw 2 qualified nurses forge a blood pressure reading. They made it up because they were pushed for time. I wouldn't have been believed I I told someone, because the ward sister didn't like me and I was indirectly bullied because I was quiet.

[@janebufton1960]

I was a health care assistant.

[@jibjub2121]

Doctors love to blame others for their errors and paint themselves as flawless heroes. Don't forget the worst serial killer in british history was a GP.

[@dylanbea8789]

Do nurses never mess things up, just doctors??

[@siep3417]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if she was innocent, wouldn't be the first time a nurse takes the hit for Docs and Management, they always protect themselves first. That's why I don't trust my managers, they give it all this "We will have your back" nonsense but when it hits the fan they'll drop you in it.

[@helmaeijck4246]

In the Netherlands there was a similar case with Lucia de B. , a nurse who was present at work when 7 unexplainable deaths occurred. She was sentenced to life in prison and tbs (mental teatment to avoid a release). She was convicted on statistics among other things. It was one of the big miscarriages of justice in the Netherlands and she was released and rehabilitated.

[@OnlyADownstat]

As soon as this case came up - there were interviews from around the world highlighting where historically the nurse had been wrongly convicted.. Well done Sir David for raising these questions

[@voice.of.reason]

David Davis is right, but why has he waited until the Tories are out of office to finally speak up? They could have intervened ages ago

[@pjabber5679]

No ones has been wrongly convicted throughout history than men but as usual everyone jumps to her aide when it's a woman, meanwhile men are automatically thrown under the bus, without even any evidence of being guilty of what they were accused.

[@malicant123]

It's possible that she is guilty AND that the NHS is awash with incompetents who are a danger to their patients.

[@rosyapplekitchen635]

Well they done a lot of silencing anyone who wanted to speak up against her. They are just as guilty

[@Buckblacket]

Incompetence and malevolence are two completely different things. If she WAS guilty, then it's malevolence, not incompetence!

[@awinbisa]

Possible, yes. But beyond all reasonable doubt ? It’s a big threshold to achieve.

[@asokaselvarajah6922]

The NHS IS "awash with incompetents who are a danger to their patients." My late father was a victim of them in my opinion.

[@roku1]

Exactly! David Davis presented a list of options at the end as if they were mutually exclusive. They aren't. I suspect the scenario you have outlined is the correct one.

[@redtill1]

Life behind bars without the chance of parole & all on circumstantial evidence ….. the British justice system at its finest 🙄

[@BernieRowlands-d4o]

If they want to discuss something as serious as potentially the most serious miscarriage of justice ever they (meaning she) should stop interrupting Mr Davis. Infuriating to watch. Everyone has an opinion on this, but anyone who comments should really look into the case so they have a more informed view. I dont believe she is guilty beyond ALL reasonable doubt.

[@benayres5908]

@@steveblundell7766 You would lock up nurses who are bad at their jobs?

[@hellomimibanana]

@@steveblundell7766ok but then that would make the hospital at fault for not firing her after the first mistake.

[@Lightspeedwoosh]

To be fair if she was terrible, why was she a nurse. Or is our training of nurses terrible? Was the situation at the hospital badly underfunded and put a vaunrable nurse in situations that she may not have been trained to do? ​@steveblundell7766

[@TheFakeNewsFrog]

⁠@@steveblundell7766Do you honestly believe people who aren’t the best at their job, or require more training, should be imprisoned instead of fired? Are you seriously willing to sit and pass judgement on people without knowing the full truth? Do you think of yourself as a man with a clear moral guidance? Do you believe you’re capable of sympathy, empathy, and nuanced understanding? Do you feel you have a sense of justice? Because I think authoritarians who find pleasure in taking away peoples rights, should be imprisoned. If I were you, I’d hope you never make a tragic mistake. As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow.

[@Krytern]

David Davis lies about gay marriage. He claims churches are forced to allow the marriages in their church even though that has never happened. He constantly says "the establishment" makes us "what to think that" even though he is a part of the establishment, and it is a fact no church has been forced to. Basically don't trust a single word that man says he is a proven liar it is crazy people still vote him in.

[@captainbuggernut9565]

If there is any possibility she is innocent, then it needs looking into urgently.

[@BoominGame]

Yes we must trust the process, if there is an appeal and failsafes we should follow procedure, we mustn't fall for the hype of the case.

[@ApnaChoud]

Patsy!

[@Evilunclephilyfn]

Never

[@Karl-Benny]

@@BoominGame And courts and Jurys make Mistakes and prosecutors Lie like devil Himself

[@heatherives8646]

She's evil woman I DON'T BELIEVE she is INNOCENT

[@The_History_Simp]

I work in the NHS and regularly see incidents brushed under the rug. Many patients don't even know when they've had something bad and avoidable happen to them. The culture of cover up must change. Letby was used as a scapegoat.

[@frannieo6128]

The NHS is a chronically corrupt monolith with no accountability It is not fit for purpose and cannot change. The rot is too deep to reform. It needs replaced with a system of social insurance, like the successful model in France. The only party willing to tackle this is Reform.

[@Evilunclephilyfn]

Oh please

[@formulaic78]

@@Evilunclephilyfn I'm not saying the OP is correct in her conclusion, but have you read the New Yorker article?

[@pixiewolf01able]

i have said this from the beginning she is a scapegoat for the hosptials and consulatants and the trusts own failings !!

[@andymckenzie833]

😂😂😂

[@fredphipps9452]

Great that Sir David Davis is not just following the mainstream. What's the point of being a people pleaser if the truth is eluded?

[@Lightspeedwoosh]

Yep the cancel crushers will be quacking in the boots for once!

[@Krytern]

David Davis lies about gay marriage. He claims churches are forced to allow the marriages in their church even though that has never happened. He constantly says "the establishment" makes us "what to think that" even though he is a part of the establishment, and it is a fact no church has been forced to. Basically don't trust a single word that man says he is a proven liar it is crazy people still vote him in.

[@DW-indeed]

​@@Lightspeedwoosh 🦆

[@lotsoflolly47]

She's guilty 100%

[@tanialake6994]

@@lotsoflolly47you don’t know that though. There’s loads of people in jail that are innocent. You know this, or should.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

£100,000 to get a manuscript. Thats censorship.

[@phd-1c]

they are lying to get your attention

[@hawkesworth1712]

It doesn't cost that much. That was a lie.

[@EthanZoid]

Alleged by him

[@Justice4allthewronged]

@@hawkesworth1712 he did not lie. he clearly says that couldn't be the right price, the woman in the times paid 9000 for half the transcripts.. open your cloth ears

[@Dogfacedbloke]

It would be a fair price for a manuscript (just imagine writing out several hundred thousand pages by hand). A bit costly for a transcript, however.

[@i.ehrenfest349]

In the Netherlands we had a famous case of a nurse being convicted for the same thing. She spent a long time in prison. She was innocent. The state secretary of justice has apologised to her.

[@Unintended911]

I think in Italy too there was a similar case

[@allanwilson664]

No two cases are similar.

[@i.ehrenfest349]

@@allanwilson664 No two cases are the same. Many cases are similar. This one certainly was, including ‘evidence’ from her diary where she wrote something like “I’ve done it again, I shouldn’t have” and of course the police took that to mean she was writing about killing babies. She wasn’t.

[@RobbieAdamson-yh2wt]

Lucie de Berk. Google the case.

[@i.ehrenfest349]

@@RobbieAdamson-yh2wt Me? I’ve read her book and the book written by the doctor-lawyer duo who got her free after years of work.

[@jasonday7378]

Suzanna doesn’t have a Scooby about what she’s going on about

[@bondeappetite703]

She’s so annoying can’t watch her. Just wanted to hear mr Davis

[@salmahaaiiss720]

Can't stand her tbh

[@patkafel998]

Rent a Gob

[@anthhub]

all by design

[@NorthernMonkey2]

I think Mr Davis is right to question this trial it stinks. It stinks of a cover up . 100k for manuscript is a joke. This is the most unprofessional interview I have seen in years. They should shut up and let the man talk. No one wants to see anybody who is innocent go to prison. I think you should follow the money on this one !

[@stevengarside]

No-one can know if she is guilty - but that there is a 'reasonable doubt' about her guilt, as David Davis attests, should have been evident to anyone who followed the original trial with a sceptical mind. I said it to friends at the time, if I was on the jury I could not have found her guilty on the basis of the evidence presented. She was convicted entirely on the basis of inference and speculative theories, which is simply staggering. We have had sufficient miscarriages of justice in England to know juries [and expert witnesses] get it wrong - especially when our febrile tabloid press are bent on creating a sensational narrative.

[@robcarter55]

I sat on juries for over 2 weeks some years back and it's very strange what is submitted as evidence and what isnt. For instance a case of a girl charged with being involved in the robbery of a taxi driver. She had got the taxi to stop outside some flats to pick something up. She got back in the car and this guy turned up and robbed the taxi driver (he was never identified). Prosecution claimed when the driver tried to drive off she stabbed him in his key hand to stop him. We the jury asked the court a simple question. Did the taxi driver have injuries to his hand. Response was that has not been entered as evidence so we can't tell you. Therefore we had no option than to find her not guilty. The injury to his hand would have convinced us guilty but not submitted as evidence by either side. That alone was sufficient doubt. So a jury trial is not necessarily about who is telling the truth and more about who are the better of worse lawyers .

[@proudtobeageordie9490]

Well said

[@Dragon_Slayer_Ornstein]

The fact that half the deaths are not accounted for is more than enough to be suspect without anything else.

[@neilsmith9799]

The deaths were accounted for. Atopsies said natural causes but then the police, who exist to uncover and solve crimes ,became involved along with a discredited "expert".Why did this happen ? Examine some of the recent articles on the subject

[@Musicienne-DAB1995]

Were those other deaths deemed suspicious?

[@Anja-e9y]

@@Musicienne-DAB1995 The babies deemed dying supicious deaths by the police and prosecusion had a post mortem after they died showing 6 of 7 babies died from natural causes, only 1 was seen as uncertain BUT not suspicious. Those other deaths were never included in their statistics.

[@topcat5553]

​@@Anja-e9y if that was the case then no court in the land would find her guilty. 12 people got to see ALL the evidence and they found her guilty. You are here spinning conspiracy theories. When the Facts are there in the court docs.

[@ClydeSlobbs]

truth drug or Jeremy Kyles lie detector??

[@NatureTVLive]

10 other babies also died when lucy wasn't on shift. They tend to leave that out

[@adelina1531]

one baby that was declining all night had died 3 minutes into her shift starting and she was blamed for it.

[@SuperStella1111]

Not even the worst example of evidence presented. But yeah. That happened.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

​​@@SuperStella1111she also got blamed for a dioctors incompetence with a ventilator and a doctor and nurse sneezing on a baby...but thst gun for hire turned theae all into 'murders '..that new Yorker article makes it clear she's innocent almost from the beginning

[@missqt48]

Explain the diary entries and the s/m stalking! 1 baby or 14 babies! She’s a killer and the evidence is all there!

[@MaisyK]

What baby was that?

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

​@@missqt48Explain her motive

[@dane4265]

the fact that half the children who died were when she was not on duty asks the question what was her defence doing

[@CMc-v7z]

Apparently one of the doctors held a grudge against her too. She had filed a complaint about his conduct etc.

[@fuzzjunky]

some of the methods used would not be instantaneous

[@dane4265]

@@fuzzjunky what methods? insulin and air bubbles as convicted are. can you explain the others?

[@footyball66]

I am not too knowledgeable about this Letby case.... is the evidence clear that someone has tampered with medical equipment and killed many babies, or could it be that the medical equipment was faulty and the unit was understaffed? as I say, I have not been following the case.

[@QTGetomov]

As a nurse in the NHS I doubt she could afford a robust defence out of her own pocket. Probably the court appointed lawyers who had.what appeared to be a multiple child murderer on their hands. If they themselves didn't believe she was innocent, or even just that they couldn't win, they may not have been playing their A game...

[@joelhall5124]

If they're appalled at the idea that she's not guilty, but it turns out she isn't guilty, that's misplaced anger on their part.

[@Jim90117]

The evidence is very dodgy and I won't be suprised if this becomes a massive scandal of a news story in the future.

[@Steve-ix2un]

@@Jim90117 Conspiracy, Conspiracy, Conspiracy, ha ha.

[@SuperStella1111]

@@Steve-ix2un it isn’t a conspiracy to say there is no evidence. There isn’t any.

[@paultrainor2110]

Sir David keeps pushing has a sudden death the conspiracy will sky rocket

[@Chezombie]

@@Steve-ix2un Is it a conspiracy to say all those post office workers were also innocent?. Look how long that took, and how many lives were ruined by that case?. This case could well be the same. Imagine being in their position and knowing you did nothing wrong. Some of them even landed up in prison, lost their homes, lost their savings, lost their marriages, lost their children, all for something they did NOT do.

[@gonnahavemesomefun]

Poor girl if she is innocent. The legal system is not fit for purpose. A life ruined for the sake of a scapegoat.

[@jimoconnor2594]

How many other babies died when she was NOT on shift. How many post office workers were innocent ?

[@KS-yv7tw]

More than any previous years. Excessive. There was a report written on why.

[@bradleyday5829]

​@KS-yv7tw The RCPCH report which basically proved that it was a failing unit. Yet this report was never brought up in court by the defence. You have to ask why?

[@SuperStella1111]

@@KS-yv7tw the Trust was falling apart - many are. And they blamed a nurse. How many post office workers were guilty? This is the UK. You can’t trust the Justice system. Paedos get off, hard working people are put in jail.

[@GeoffV-k1h]

Several did die while she was not on duty. It seems that this was not communicated to the jury at the original trial. One problem with the conviction. Guardia article last month details many doctors who have now come forward to directly state their concerns. That said, I'm not yet ready to believe she is innocent, as her writings and behaviour in the trial were very odd.

[@doggieclaude]

Yep, and for any commenter who has never enjoyed a visit to the Countess of Chester hospital, I'd recommend a stay there before deciding what you think. Best of luck!

[@noreenhill5826]

Thank you Sir! I've ALWAYS had my doubts about this case! 😢

[@MrJimWinter]

I believe it’s been over exaggerated and she’s not a murderer. And and a scapegoat. I would say it worse she’s just one tin short of a six pack. Something doesn’t feel right with this case at all.

[@meow-sc7wn]

Yes, how she remained unnoticed in all 15 cases that there is not a single witness who caught her in atrocities or even in unprofessionalism.But LL, after accusations against her at work, she files a complaint and returns without fear. She even keeps a piece of paper in her diary with a “confession” until she is fired and then arrested. But she still actively cooperated with the police and logically explained her position on all the accusations. I don’t believe it at all...

[@Supergeologist]

As retired Registered Nurse (male btw) I can truly imagine the poor girl being stitched up. I left the NHS back in the late 80s and never looked back. I was bullied, harrassed and at one point tried to be stitched up for an appalling incident that happened when I was actually on my days off. It still haunts me and went a long way to destroy my faith in the 'caring' professions. Unfortunately I fell victim to the homosexual, catholic and nepotic cliques that permeated the then NHS. I doubt much has changed.

[@yvonnelygo681]

So much wrongful ness taking place. When sπ|t hits fan, they just look for a convenient scapegoat.

[@domestinger8805]

Id love to know more about those cliques you mentioned

[@clareowen2047]

It happens all the time. I think people think that working for a body such as the NHS means that people treat each other well - it’s often not the case - bullying and scapegoating is normal

[@MonaLisa-lu8zi]

Dreadful behaviour. The worst part is there is no independent body to ask for an investigation. Unfortunately if you have the links, the face fits or a support lobby group is embedded inside or outside the org, you can either rise or sínk.

[@astev1384]

Wasn’t there notes found in her home tho admitting to bad things she’d done.?

[@catsnmi270]

Sounds to me that the hospitals need to be investigated!

[@maryleslie9102]

Peoplefrom the area who have attended that hospital gave the impression that it was chaotic.

[@cameronjames3499]

You're blaspheming against the Holy NHS. That's minus 50 Social Credit points, and expect the coppers to come kick your door in soon.

[@Tomm9y]

People have no idea how corrupt the legal system is. I commented early on that the evidence in the case was wholly inadequate, circumstantial. This is a very serious case and they still refused an appeal. Now consider the thousands of smaller cases, the violent, perjuring police, the number of cases arising out police interactions. The system, the legislation, funding, the disproportionate impact on people's lives, the concept of 'making an example', 'justice needing to be seen', the vindictiveness particularly against those who stand up for themselves, both during and after cases. People have no idea how biased the system is. The media are completely supportive of the legal system and generate revenue from reporting on cases. Huge credit to David Davis for pursuing this. Letby should be released from prison immediately, whilst all the very well paid hospital managers should be arrested and held on remand instead. Only then, when they are fighting for their freedom, will more facts emerge.

[@raskolnikov1461]

You are right

[@pauldowney6856]

🎯🎯🎯

[@dalfifran7572]

Eeerrr... Circumstantial evidence doesn't mean inadequate evidence. It could be as strong as direct evidence. Infact many criminal convicted around the world coming from circumstantial evidence.

[@singingtutorpro2181]

They only find out how corrupt it is when they (or someone they love) ends up on the wrong side of the legal system. If this, coupled with the Post Office scandal doesn't wake this dumb country up, I don't know what will.

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

Can you mention which evidences where inadequate?

[@Wishing_you_peace]

She was bullied, which is common in the NHS. It is not unusual for nurses to be framed for Drs mistakes.

[@HENNAtabasun1990]

@Wishing_you_peace Dr's and managers' failings , she didn't stand a chance, especially when the jury was gaslighted with one-sided so-called evidence that should have never stood up in court .

[@freddymercury2259]

Nah, I don't buy it. I saw the interview with the doctor that raised the red flag. It seems like there were genuine concerns about her. Definitely NOT bullying.

[@gibbo822]

​@@freddymercury2259but it was years later they did anything because the ward was a disgrace they cleaned up the ward first

[@oxymoron5167]

She kept a diary

[@gibbo822]

@@oxymoron5167 and only select parts were used not the parts where she claimed her innocence

[@michaelkavanagh5947]

The witch hunt and desperation to blame is scary. It’s mind boggling none of her supervisors caught this sooner and have not been charged for incompetence. That alone is worrying.

[@craftygirl138]

If she is innocent and released her life is ruined, she would have lost everything while in jail and some folk will still think she's guilty.

[@tjfSIM]

That depends on how conclusively the convictions were overturned, and whether the actual cause of the deaths becomes known. If they were to be overturned purely on the grounds of strength of evidence, ie it's decided there's enough doubt to question the safety of the convictions but no other causal factor is found, then yes she would still be in for a very rough time if released.

[@drifter402]

@@tjfSIM It depends on how the media reports on it.

[@tjfSIM]

@@drifter402 Well that will be very much determined by the above factors.

[@drifter402]

@@tjfSIM It's simply whatever narrative they want to paint.

[@tjfSIM]

@@drifter402 That may be true in some cases - depends on the quality of journalism. The level of ambiguity will be the determining factor because uncertainty creates a vacuum that becomes flooded by idle speculation and unfounded theories. What I mean by that is, the most favourable outcome for Letby would be if she was exonerated because the actual cause of the deaths was found to be natural, or caused by another person or factor. That is very unlikely to happen though - much more likely is that a degree of doubt is cast such that the convictions are considered unsafe and quashed. In the latter case, media speculation will be rife and many will still believe she is guilty, because there is no other viable scapegoat.

[@justsomelovelylady]

I listened to the trial and completely think she’s innocent, if anything she never received a fair trial. I’m from the U.S., but was appalled by the decisions of the courts there.

[@findalin4857]

"I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them", "I am a horrible evil person", "I am evil I did this". Her own notes found said these things, why would she write them if she wasn't affiliated, could be argued that she was depressed which is often an excuse used by defendants to gain jury leniency. she also shows 0 empathy, "I think there is an element of fate involved'' when referring to the death of one of the children. Whether or not she did it alone is a different story requiring further investigation, but surely there are far too many coincidences and holes in her alibi for her to not have been complicit one way or another.

[@steelcity791]

I now cast huge doubt on anything the establishment tells us is true and factual anymore.

[@ser-Ike]

Only now!? They've been doing this for centuries! PLATOS cave allegory was written 3500 years ago...

[@MynameisMick]

Weird, he is part of the establishment.

[@JackBrown-p6i]

@@steelcity791 keep an open mind

[@pjabber5679]

Ah yes, only now that it's claimed a WOMAN might have been "wrongly convicted", after thousands of years of men being falsely accused and wrongly convicted without any evidence, thrown under the bus by society, no Fs given. Yet whenever a woman's caught, there's always a public outcry making excuses that she must somehow be an innocent little angel.

[@gunlokman]

Yes, and especially the court system that has a track-record of protecting the establishment.

[@Alphamind123]

I thought she was guilty but now it's not so clear . Maybe the nhs has been corrupted

[@Thronewatcher]

Of course they have it's being sold off bit by bit. You must have seen the private ambulance companies driving about now

[@Alphamind123]

@@Thronewatcher no haven't noticed

[@Alphamind123]

@Thronewatcher nhs was a very good thing about Britain and it's been totally abused. It was fine before covid now suddenly GPS don't want too see people

[@youtoob1811]

She's guilty. Go and read the case against her - it's compelling. This is one of those times where small gaps or inconsistancies are being misinterpreted. The number of deaths were several times the normal - and after she left the frequency of deaths returned to normal - and this was BEFORE she was arrested. Combine all the evidence and to me, it's undeniable, don't let doubt creep in - she did it.

[@davidday2039]

@@Thronewatchernhs outsource private ambulances. They work for the NHS, they havnt sold any part of the ambulance service.also private ambulances have always been on the road

[@tiengangale2585]

I feel for the family who lost their children in these cases. I do. On the other hand, justice can not equate to anyone being found guilty. If there is any miniscule chance of the guilty verdict being erroneous, then it should be explored, and I salute Sir David Davis for being curious about this.

[@laurenjamesince]

Completely agree with this statement. It doesn’t feel that due justice has been delivered here..too many questions still haven’t been answered. It doesn’t feel right

[@ragnor56]

Unplug this woman !!!!!

[@Tomherbs]

David Davis is a smart and open minded guy, he's one the best politicians there has ever been. He held the PSNI to account over journalists rights

[@GavDuggan1983]

He was absolutely atrocious as Brexit secretary

[@mikewilson8513]

Are we talking about the same David Davies ? The same David Davies who told us that Brexit was going to wonderful for the UK. The same David Davies who looked and acted like a complete naive muppet as Brexit secretary ? A quote from David Davis...."There will be no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside" I think we can safely take with a pinch of salt anything that this twerp comes out with.

[@OurBackGarden]

There comes a time where British courts need to be televised…

[@ciaran3629]

It's currently on trial excuse the pun right now in Northern Ireland the plan is to make all trials viewable by the public via the Internet

[@OurBackGarden]

@@ciaran3629 that's good to know 👍 so how do we watch them in Ireland?

[@Naomi-de2ps]

Why? Innocent people will have to go through the added trauma of being shamed on live tv, in front of millions.

[@OurBackGarden]

@@Naomi-de2ps innocent people might like to show the truth. Ever thought about it protecting them? Obv not huh?

[@Duncan_1971]

@@Naomi-de2ps If they're innocent what do they have to worry about? They'll only be shamed if they're convicted.

[@johncartledge7313]

He is actually put himself out there and said ITS HIGHLY PROBABLE SHE IS INNOCENT and he will know more than us public thats a serious statement ckming from an obviously very intelligent man

[@phillipgriffiths9624]

What an awful miscarriage of justice if she is innocent. It won’t be the first time!

[@Thismanisright]

I’ll just point out a few things, she was the only one on shift when all baby’s who died or nearly died. She had notes around her house claiming she was evil and she did this e.g And she didn’t looked shocked when she was arrested? I would be gobsmacked if she was innocent. She was also found to have been searching the parents of dead baby’s up on social media.

[@louised7829]

This country is so corrupt is disgusting

[@Mikados_Advark12]

What an embarrassing comment. What corruption are you talking about? Who is corrupting who? Are you suggesting that brown envelopes were passed to the jury or to the judge? Grow up for goodness sake.

[@yvonnelygo681]

Nursing and care sector is so Toxic probably because of cultural factions operating everywhere. You just have to be vigilant because you don't want to be the next scapegoat.

[@yvonnelygo681]

​@@Mikados_Advark12..troll.

[@Galacticmaster]

@@Mikados_Advark12 its called logic - if you actually listen to David Davis, the process of the court is in doubt in reaching the conclusion because there are other variables. basically the case needs more attention and a complete review taking into consideration things happening.

[@louised7829]

@Mikados_Advark12 Do you work for the justice system or the NHS lol? If you believe that these institutions are beyond corruption have a good word with yourself. Embarrassing lol you're funny

[@wazz1154]

Since the case of a young mum, Sally Clarke, loosing 2 baby boys to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, going to prison, because a so-called expert used statistics, wrongly, to say that the case of an affluent family's chances of having 2 cot deaths, was 1 chance in 78million, I cannot back this conviction. The young mum i spoke of had her convictions quashed, but heartbreakingly went on to commit suicide when she was finally cleared of all suspicion is such a sad story. Here is hoping that true justice will be done

[@matthewfoster1350]

Have you heard of Paula Sims ? She had two girls/ daughters, and she killed them .

[@patpat4317]

I remember that story well. Poor Sally had her life ruined by an injustice.

[@yourstarwillshine]

One thing that was really interesting she was arrested three times and interrogated and never cracked she was not some deranged killer or hardened criminal she was a young nurse. while this was going on the Police dug up her garden like she was some kind of Rosemary/Fred West serial killer despite the glaringly obvious fact no babies were declared missing or taken off the ward...................quite Frankley it was preposterous and the poor girl had put in her diaries blamed herself when searching for answers in her mind why the babies were dying..................the poor girl deserves at the very least a retrial and I'm sure the families of the babies wouldn't want a poor girl imprisoned for life due to a hospitals failure rather than some evil...............such a heartbreaking issue

[@Answersonapostcard]

Susannah is blissfully unaware of the many previous miscarriages of justice. Her opening statement was truly appaling.

[@olderbutnowiser6701]

The Birmingham Six. All you need to know about the British justice system.

[@pemj7360]

And Guildford 4

[@wirralchap]

Scummy uk justice system

[@richardcummins5465]

APRIL FABB? GENETTE TATE? Dozens of others ?

[@richardcummins5465]

British justice overseen by the likes of TWO TEIR STARMER, and CHERYL BLAIR. Laughable 😂😂

[@wirralchap]

@@richardcummins5465 Look at the post office scandal under the Tories, innocent people jailed.

[@keithratcliff7896]

I worry that the standard in a criminal court is beyond reasonable doubt but there was no smoking gun I can recall from the trial. She was never witnessed personally doing any of the things that led to these deaths. The evidence against her seems statistical and often coincidental as she was in the departments at the wrong time. I don't know the case well enough to be sure which way I'd have judged her if I'd been a juror. she may be a victim of terrible pattern recognition by those around her, scapegoated for anomalous numbers of deaths and given a reputation as suspicious. She writes her diaries reflecting on this social shame, her guilt and inadequacies as a conscientious nurse that she allowed them to die under her care. The story is built up by medics around her who can't see they might have a major anomaly or statistical deviation here. Or they may themselves be a part of clinical failings.

[@fish4fun84]

Poor sue appalled at the idea someone was potentially wrongfully accused?. If it was my kids I want the truth regardless if I lose someone to blame.

[@Marek-o3u]

Yes, it's a weird take. I guess it's a closure thing. Easier to blame someone. My mum died and I know the hospital let her down. It's a hollow hole but chasing the nurse who was bad seems unlikely to help. Also she was African, so it would be painted as racism of course.

[@CairneyGG]

@@Marek-o3u I also think its a case of where do you draw the line? For example you said the nurse probably shares some of the blame, but then is it the hospital being run badly that has put her in that position? Maybe her superior had a part to play, or their superior? Then is it the governments fault for putting the hospital and therefore the staff in a bad position. The minister of health? The leader of the NHS? I think its human nature to blame but like you said it could be very complicated and mentally draining thinking that way. Sorry for your loss but I'm sure you can be happy thinking of her life and the memories you made together.

[@albertothomasx]

Lucy is innocent. There is something more sinister that may come out from this. Time will tell. But, forgive me, I’ve forgotten the name of the female presenter who seems so clueless. You do know that Lucy was convicted with ZERO EVIDENCE? Like I said, some of us in the truth community know what was really going on, and Lucy has been framed.

[@AngusRankin]

I don't think you understand how reporting works. Regardless of Sue's opinion, her job is to challenge the person being interviewed by putting an opposing view forward. So saying "Poor Sue" is making an assumption based on no evidence of what her beliefs are.

[@hellomimibanana]

@@AngusRankin I hate when people assume journalists are taking a position when they’re just asking questions that some people may ask.

[@hollyh501]

I’m so glad David Davis is pursuing this. I always thought the evidence against her seemed flaky and reading the New Yorker article convinced me she definitely deserved a retrial. British justice is totally flawed to deny her one.

[@FlytoColombia]

If you're medical, you realise how strong it is. The insulin came from outside the hospital, yes outside. Meaning she brought a lethal drug into work, with the intention of using it on non diabetic infants. That's before you even get into the evidence of the embolisms, and the fact the deaths stopped, and then started again on her shift whilst she was attending to patients. Then disappeared entirely after she was removed.

[@bobbyknox9258]

Flaky? Are you serious?

[@fionahenderson3352]

​@@FlytoColombiaafter she left, the hospital stopped admitting such extremely sick infants. It downgraded

[@FlytoColombia]

@@fionahenderson3352 Nope. That's not why. I have worked in a NICU before, babies don't deteriorate like that. What's your excuse that she brought the insulin to work? Go on? Show your utter disdain for the parents of those babies.

[@Krytern]

David Davis lies about gay marriage. He claims churches are forced to allow the marriages in their church even though that has never happened. He constantly says "the establishment" makes us "what to think that" even though he is a part of the establishment, and it is a fact no church has been forced to. Basically don't trust a single word that man says he is a proven liar it is crazy people still vote him in.

[@scottrichards4532]

If this woman is found out to be innocent,and I have a feeling she will get out eventually but only because of people In the NHS thinking they knew it all and couldn't keep their big gobs shut ,especially breaching data protection and using bullying tactics to convict this woman .Even if she isn't innocent there is no call for that sort of behaviour by supposedly working professionals. Her lawyers will pick up on that stuff.

[@allanwilliams1325]

This could be the biggest miscarriage of Justice ever.

[@shardans1796]

Explain her diary entries, she's a cold blooded murderer and you are busy defending EVIL....PERIOD!!!

[@hb19110]

I believe that.

[@danieledmunds7678]

Post office scandal has show big cover ups

[@marca9955]

Could be, except it isn't. The evidence is overwhelming. This is how social media survives - counter-narratives in an attention economy. Don't fall for it.

[@robleeuknhl3345]

@@allanwilliams1325 she is guilty

[@joemensah9557]

IM NOT A TORY BUT DAVID DAVIS IS ONE OF A FEW HONEST REMAINING POLITICIANS IN THE UK.

[@OperationMerlinFalcon]

It is time for the media to have CQC Representatives on their program to ask them the difficult questions. Especially, the part about what they stated during the Thirlwall Inquiry. The part about how the discovered information after their 2016 CQC Report on the CoCH, Neonatal Ward was published, June 29, 2016. They completed no supplemental reports or addendum to their report. They did absolutely nothing! Why is that?

[@martyndavid2094]

Not guilty and it should be obvious to us all, the establishment has always stitched us up Post office scandal all over again

[@patpending8134]

Nope.

[@gcmt9379]

​@@patpending8134bet you have done zero research, open a local news article and believe everything. Well done

[@leonhughes134]

This interviewer acts like there has never been a miscarriage of justice !

[@docko84]

I was really hoping Sir David would say this

[@CityTrailRunner]

I feel I've been *told* she did it, but not *shown* she did it in any plausible or conclusive sense. So many unanswered questions. There is definitely cause for reasonable doubt.

[@thomism1016]

There should be CCTV in neonatal units 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@SuperStella1111]

We live in a surveillance society already. No. Let’s just fund trusts properly and staff them.

[@iona5439]

@@SuperStella1111no we definitely do need cctv.

[@SuperStella1111]

@@iona5439 no, we don’t. We also don’t need police cams. They don’t work, police violence is up.

[@Cory-qf5je]

​@SuperStella1111 only people who have something to hide care about that more than children's lives

[@Krytern]

@@SuperStella1111 Give a single reason why there shouldn't be CCTV where babies are cared for. Just one reason.

[@norfolkronin6307]

A few years ago I saw a government figure on how many people are suffering from a miscarriage of justice in the British legal system that are innocent. 17.5%. You cannot have anyone convicted of a crime if they are innocent. So its not that they haven't studied and looked into this before. This is so disturbing for the families involved in this case. Awful. RIP those little infants.

[@heather333]

I hope David Davis sticks at this. LL was being bullied and she was in counselling - the journals were written at the encouragement of her therapist. This is a known therapeutic process where you counter your own fears. It's very odd that the therapist never came forward to testify.

[@SolasMacha]

The Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Maguire 7, Barry George, Andrew Malkinsin, Victor Nealon and Sam Hallam. Stefan Kiszko , post office scandal, a big endless list and the reporters won’t let him speak.

[@daniela5945]

Her "confession" post it notes have been well analysed and make much more sense as an outpouring of anguish and despair and not a confession. To ignore difficult questions about statistics, doctor training, cleanliness at the ward, complex causes of death, and instead to leap on a nurse's scrawled journaling is not surprising given the circumstances. But from what I read she was a dedicated nurse who volunteered for extra shifts and that explains her presence there. None of her colleagues think she did it and for days and days on trial she gave hours of testimony answering openly every question put to her.

[@SuperStella1111]

Extremely well said.

[@harpsailorharp6716gg]

she said she *couldn't recall on many many many questions actually

[@rosyapplekitchen635]

Don’t you think she wrote them knowing they would be found? Just wondering

[@jponeill2151]

Shezwas also advised by her mental health counsellor to write down the random thoughts she was having as a form of therapy. At the time when she knew people were blaming her.

[@zbigniewczaykowski514]

@@jponeill2151 Those notes are random scribbles that can be interpreted many ways, they are about as vague and useful as Nostradamuses useless predictions.

[@sysdevman]

7:27 - Is there a fifth possibility - another, very clever person, who was responsible and still out there?

[@fatherchristmas2998]

Remembered the defence lawyer in the birming 6 case she was snooping around in the evidence offices and there was a box. Not to be shown to the defence. The powers that be knew the birmingham six were innocent

[@lionsfan1478]

Guilty. She wrote in her diary about it. If you think she's so innocent why not let her babysit your kids??

[@meow-sc7wn]

Why would she write a “confession” in her diary, but then deny everything during interrogation, and then appeal to the court? Moreover, there is no evidence that the babies died at her hands.

[@lionsfan1478]

@@meow-sc7wn why? because admitting it in your sick diary has no consequences but admitting your guilt in court does. Enough evidence to convict the monster.

[@meow-sc7wn]

@@lionsfan1478 you know this story very poorly. There is no admission in her diary, it was written under pressure due to the fact that some colleagues mistakenly accuse her of being unprofessional. But another 10 babies died not on her shift, she just happened to be in 7 of these cases. She's the scapegoat

[@GoldenToothBrush]

Seriously? I mean obviously you have every right NOT to allow someone to babysit your own kids if you're suspicious for any reason. However, that is nothing like putting someone in prison because you're suspicious of them. I'm not saying she's innocent necessarily but if there's any reason to believe she could be then that should be looked into.

[@gileskerr5699]

Do some more homework on this case FFS

[@redmed10]

1:48 he was stopped from getting an article from new yorker. What? Was he not prepared to pay the subscription fee? Doesn't name who wrote the article. What date it was published. Ok. A lot of vagueness here. Edit Actually found link to the article but got 403 error so there may be more to this.

[@JulieLevinge]

I saw no conclusive evidence that would mean that there was reasonable doubt! I don’t believe that the evidence was strong enough for a conviction, I have no idea if she is guilty or not? The hospital was underfunded, couldn’t even supply one on one care for ICU patients? If I were a parent I’d suing the hospital.

[@stevegregson4357]

Innocent or not the trial was a sham and CPS were incompetent and her defence were negligent Convicted on circumstantial and incorrect directions from the judge It will fall for sure

[@zbigniewczaykowski514]

Judges should not be allowed to give directions or instructions, the jury should come to its conclusion without any interference, even from the judge.

[@RickBerman-iv2il]

So, the judge, prosecution, defence (and, as there’s been 2 appeals) Appeals judges too were all incompetent. As opposed to one person being a psychopath? You see evil everywhere but, oddly, not with this nurse.

[@voice.of.reason]

If they can lock up a fine upstanding wife of a Tory MP for saying a few things on the internet but let murderers and rapists go free from jail then that tells you how corrupt the UK has become

[@KatieAfanasow]

There is plenty of cases of miscarriage of justice, I’m not saying she’s innocent but if there is reasons to believe she could be innocent then it should be looked in to, this case doesn’t add up x

[@daynerpotter9514]

Lucy Letby is guilty, just by that look on her face when the Police rocked up and arrested her that morning. Even if she killed ONE baby she should do life...

[@susanferrie7233]

Aww innocent

[@daynerpotter9514]

@susanferrie7233 If it was your baby????

[@pauljamison3340]

The prosecution never let the defence know that there were deaths when she was no where near the place!!!! This is the post office all over again!!!!!

[@j0nnyism]

It’s always worrying when someone is convicted purely on circumstantial evidence. Letby herself didn’t behave like a typical murderer so that gave me concerns right from the start

[@Peter-oz8ec]

Take it from me , the police ,cps and judge and juries sometimes get it wrong. THAT IS A FACT.

[@Ruloathesome]

Yes but rarely evidence informs police police decide if they have a case CPS review and make a decision Judge will decide if case can proceed to a verdict and can make a terminatory ruling before trial. But agreed a jury an make a wrong decision based on personal feeling.

[@CatFluff-pm6qr]

Not in this case, she's evil she even said it herself.

[@Peter-oz8ec]

@@CatFluff-pm6qr I’m not being judge and jury at all. In a situation such as this sometimes , very rare occasions I stress an accused can have it put in their head that they are guilty and such is the the ordeal that they’re experiencing they end up actually believing that they’re guilty . I know this for a fact. I’m not siding with the person in question whatsoever , I was just stating a fact. Anyhow let’s wait and see.

[@michaelsrowland]

Often get it wrong. 2 tier police 2 tier judicial

[@PeaceMatters5]

What about the diary entries her admitting she's evil?

[@sbeast64]

More people seem to be doubting the verdict. There's also very similar cases which turned out to be miscarriages of justice, such as Lucia de Berk. Either way, I hope the truth is discovered and there is justice either way.

[@hb19110]

Exactly.

[@Musicienne-DAB1995]

But there are also similar cases where the accused was found guilty, including Beverly Allit, who was found guilty of murdering babies using insulin and in one case, air embolus. Does any of the following sound familiar? ' It was only following the death of Becky Phillips that medical staff became suspicious of the number of cardiac arrests on the children's ward and police were called in.[12] It was found that Allitt was the only nurse on duty for all the attacks on the children and had access to the drugs used.' [Source: Wikipedia]

[@Atomic568]

I have also said all along the Lucy is innocent, she’s being used as a patsy by the health service to take the wrap for others in a higher position for their wrong doing.

[@ibrahimarshad1732]

I pray to God for the truth and for Justice 😢😢😢

[@Anja-e9y]

@@steveblundell7766 Go away!

[@lochnessmunster1189]

There would be truth and justice in the world if there actually was a god, but there probably isn't one.

[@juliamacauley7062]

Right . God always comes up trumps doesn’t he ?

[@donwildmoon6765]

The Austin Powers woman is giving off Cathy Newman vibes. Her mind is closed for business because the judicial system never makes mistakes does it!

[@charlesedwards4160]

Her mind is on the cream :)

[@-ir7zr]

I thought the same at the time. Firstly - how can. a young nurse be unsupervised. At the time I listened to the daily reports in our newspapers and on TV . How can the jury make any sense of it ? Leadership in these baby units are Senior Consultant, Consultant, Doctor, Junior Doctor, ....Staff Nurse, State Registered Nurse , Nursing Assistant. The journalists have never brought up leadership . Why not ? Is it because this line of enquiry is not in our culture to question. What happened ? Is the first question ? Who was in charge ? next question. Recount to us the management culture ? I am glad DD is talking about this. Lucy Letby said " I did not do this "...... I have been a foreman at an armed robbery trial. The individual went down for seven years. I know first hand how confusing it is to listen to the lines of questioning. The parents at the babies want answers, not more misery.

[@monikasandman5320]

I really think she is innocent,

[@arkskotch1589]

Very dodgy her conviction

[@patpending8134]

I'm sure you're four words decide the matter.

[@C0llyhurst]

Far too much evidence to convict her, did you watch the same trial?

[@silondon9010]

​@@C0llyhurstyou really need to study the case

[@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo]

What about the psychotic ramblings found all over her house let me guess NHS planted those in her home?​@@silondon9010

[@eternalricemuncher]

I believe she is innocent too..there I said it. Im age 49 and Ive seen a lot of good and bad people and her body language and her face just doesnt fit with the crime at all. In acute wards nurses get these accusations constantly. Especially when it is people grieving the loss of a baby. If you add into that member of staff or two taking a dislike to you for whatever reason its very toxic. The outcome of the current situation will be severe shortages of staff in premature baby units. Nobody will speak out because of the fear they will get in trouble or be stripped of their nursing licenses. I had a friend who works in intensive care & she had one person take a dislike to her looking over her shoulder as she made life of death decisions about very fragile people. This woman made an allegation & my friend had to undergo a year of investigations. This is happening in all acute units & its not the answer to start savaging these people because they will stop working in acute care & you will have no staff. Lucy Letby was super conscientious. Thats why she drew attention to herself & her own mistakes. Because she was checking herself more than other people do. She clearly has been traumatised by every single death & is loaded up with guilt & confusion about if she did anything wrong. That is not how a murderer thinks. Baby murderers are usually people who get angry when babies are noisy. Murderers of the elderly are people who want to silence complaining or who believe in euthenesia. What she is accused of makes no sense because it doesnt fit into any of these categories. She has the face of someone who is very sweet & kind. It just doesnt fit. Her personality doesnt fit with the accusations. Now shes in prison & all the staff there can clearly see she isnt like the other people there. Shes acting like people act who later get found to be innocent. Guilty people act shifty. They mainly focus on self defence and have no feelings of trauma about what their victims went through. Letby is obviously a bit of a self blamer when doing nursing & people have hooked into this. The woman is a total doormat. She has no lifeskills. What is going to happen to Letby is that as she develops some ability to stand up for herself she is going to start fighting for all the other people who are being subjected to this. Guilty people dont do that. If shes even beginning to talk about doing that its a clear sign she is not guilty. She was manipulated into expressing concerns about her own performance & encouraged to doubt herself. You have masses of professional people who deal with criminals every say saying this woman is not a criminal. I mean you just have to look at the photos. She clearly loved her job. She even supported the babies head in the photo. People who dont care just leave the head hanging backwards (thats what my mum did). SHE IS NOT GUILTY. She blames herself for every single death of every single baby that is her personality. Thats someone who finds each death unbearable not someone who wishes a baby to die!!! WAKE UP

[@keithdavison2960]

I questioned the evidence and her lawyers strategy it never sat right with me but when I posted that I got truck loads of hate from people who read tabloids and I am no one I can imagine there was a lot of that going around at the time and it’s sad no one had the stones to ask the questions at the time.

[@stevegregson4357]

This wasn’t proven beyond reasnable doubt Simple

[@LegallyBlondeCritic]

I agree. It sets a dangerous precedent for the civil rights of all British citizens. She should at least have the chance to appeal.

[@jaida9254]

@@LegallyBlondeCritic No it doesn't. Each case is heard on it's own merits. We had miscarriages of justice in the old days of no forensic evidence and before the CPS was set up but our criminal courts only improved and developed with time. It didn't set any precedents.

[@Chezombie]

Beyond reasonable doubt usually consists of steadfast forensic evidence like finding the suspect's DNA or fingerprints at the scene of a crime or CCTV footage which clearly shows their face while they are committing the crime, all the evidence here was circumstantial. It's pretty rare to get a conviction of this magnitude on circumstantial evidence alone. This smacks of people in high up places (NHS bosses) pulling strings, trying to pass the book for their failings, and the government's failings.

[@NihonKaikan]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@bobbyknox9258]

So somebody else killed them then? Is that what you're saying?

[@shtims321]

Like we've never had wrongful. Convictions in the UK , is it possible it was about a quick closure for the parents, I don't know , but it's possible there's reasonable doubt

[@Driver2616]

British Justice? What is British justice? Ask all the people who have been convicted, in various courts, for many different crimes that they never committed, what British Justice is. Talk to the Post Masters and Post Mistresses who were wrongly accused of many cases of theft. And these were not cases of theft somebody else committed. Those Post Office workers were accused of thefts that never actually happened in the first place! Go back in time to those Irish people that were wrongly convicted of planting bombs in Birmingham and Guildford which killed people. As them what British justice is.

[@paulconway9757]

She wrote the notes AFTER she was arrested didn't she.? She was asked to do it by her psychologist..... So those notes should of been irrelevant..

[@stalwart263]

No. The notes were found in her house after she was arrested and when it was searched.