Is Milk Murder for Cows? | Good Morning Britain

Vegan activist Joey Carbstrong and celebrity chef Antony Worrall Thompson debate whether or not consuming milk and other dairy products is murder for cows.
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Broadcast on 27/06/2018
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[@AstralJaxAvenue]

Ah yes what a genius moral argument Piers. Piers basically says "YOU did something bad to others a long time ago, so therefore that gives ME permission to do something bad to others now and for the rest of my life"

[@Mike-qc1os]

I've never thought about milk like this, thank you Good Morning Britain and Joey for opening my eyes

[@Halgame99]

Yes milk is good 😋🤤 and I will never stop drinking and enjoying it

[@pizzaparkerhotdogmaguire3225]

You are free to make animals cry and torture. I am too. @@Halgame99

[@J.P_INC.]

Milk contains nutrients we need even as adults. Humans have been consuming meat and milk for generations and never been sick. It's in the modern era where our bodies have weakened so some people have issues especially with all the pollution and toxins along with chemicals we come in contact with.

[@Halgame99]

@@J.P_INC. My grandma grew up in a village where milk is consumed like crazy, now she is in her nineties and very healthy

[@Mike-qc1os]

@@J.P_INC. can we get those nutrients easily elsewhere? Does cow milk also have harmful properties?

[@Mr.Edd3905]

The character attacks are not good in serious debates because they can be used 100% of the time on anyone.

[@behemoth5344]

right, especially on a morally bankrupt tit such as Piers Morgan, the infamous news-faker.

[@PvzLovesMinecraft]

It’s not really a character attack when it’s true is it?

[@viviandarkbloom8847]

@@PvzLovesMinecraft let's say it's quite irrelevant for the sake of a proper debate. Imagine if any of his guests talked about Piers Morgan's own past, for instance . . . .

[@theultimatefortnitegamer6315]

@@viviandarkbloom8847 has piers harmed people and animals with guns?

[@viviandarkbloom8847]

@@theultimatefortnitegamer6315 he prefers other weapons, like fake photos and the total incapability of conducting a proper debate.

[@dylanj7117]

Even though not a fan of Joey but I agree with him about plants not feeling pain and piers bringing up his past was a bit of a dog move especially during a vegan meat debate.

[@sampledude8846]

Joey held his own. What a hero! Veganism and Just Stop Oil is the way to go for climate change and global democracy!

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

im really glad joey is out there doing all this stuff. its gold

[@TV-ob1if]

It’s accomplished nothing

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

@@TV-ob1if youre trying to say that to the people who run the analytics on this shit. we are the activists, we are the ones logging the info, we are the people out there touching grass, interacting with people irl, and recording trends. i can tell you as an activist that this dudes reach is massive and is definitely entering peoples consciousness as people have brought him up to me, hell i heard about him from nonvegans at outreach. as a vegan i dont sit around listening to vegan youtubers. i only pay attention because carnists are watching them and its part of my duty as an activist to keep up on whats influencing people. hes also been mentioned by other massive influencers like jenna marbles, she and her bf are vegan and have turned a lot of people vegan just by existing and making casual mentions to ppl like joey. youre an absolute fool if you think being a vegan or an activist isnt doing anything. you need to look at stocks and economic data, census data, you need to pay attention to the fckin world around you dude omg. and not just your own country either.

[@TV-ob1if]

@@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS ..yawn……Best of luck to you dweebs. 😂 Jenna GD marbles. Lol. Ha ha ha ha ha

[@kaka-sk8vb]

@@TV-ob1ifaccomplished everything, i just turned vegan partially because of people like him

[@TV-ob1if]

@@kaka-sk8vb that’s adorable. Meanwhile he turned millions off by being a hyper emotional “male”. It’s not working. It’s backfiring

[@MiniMunchPlays]

Pierce got destroyed here. Relying on personal character attacks instead of engaging with the ideas. Joey is a reformed convict, not like piers hasn't been hacking phones his whole career.

[@liamgane4]

What a load of bs If you think pierce morgan hacked phones lol

[@TV-ob1if]

He made other arguments. He didn’t merely rely on his character assessment of little Joey

[@Satan-bx4ev]

Joey wiped the floor with every argument Piers & his other guests threw at him. His logic makes perfect sense. Bringing up his past was a pathetic attempt to discredit what he was saying.

[@delboy-su3wf]

He did mate .Back in day if u eat meat u had to hunt work for it . The chances are u cd come of worse then animal. Now there caged up were they can't fight back

[@aarguitar64]

Piers: How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

[@onlyme219]

Good flashback to a masterpiece of an album

[@marioluigi9599]

Did ITV just allow comments on this after so many years? And why? What happened? Finally realised you were total MUPPETS for disallowing it in the first place?

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

im amazed too, are we approaching the day when the word veganism stops getting you locked and shadowbanned? omg the dumbasses are learning

[@lyane-yf9xk]

No injustice can last forever, even the most ignorant humans will realize it one day

[@mineamashion4100]

For me it is obvious that we have lactase so that we can drink our mother's milk as babies. I don't expect that it's there for us to drink cows/sheep/goats milk as suggest. This is why rennet from a baby cows stomach is added to cheeses etc. Humans find it very hard to digest cheese without it. We are simply not adapted to drink cows' milk and rely on prolonging the bodys ability to produce the lactose that we produced as babies in an attempt to digest it. Furrher to this cows milk needs to be pasteurised so that we can drink it safely today. We are not capable of drinking milk safely without the bacterias being killed beforehand. This shows that we have not adapted our bodies to drink cows milk ourselves instead we have adapted the final product to be drinkable. Cow milk imparticular is far to rich for our bodies and carries germs that can kill us and make us sick, and I believe it also may cause many to have underlying health conditions. The huge rise in milk sensitivities and allergies proves all of this. Humans have made milk drinkable but even so it is still not entirly suitable for our bodies. People have also not been drinking milk over the time perod and in the quantities suggested here. The interesting background to milk drinking in the Uk; People have only been drinking cows' milk in the quantities that are consumed today since the 2nd World War. It was implemented by the UK government because food was short and it was introduced into primary schools at this point for the same reason. The government had to feed the nation quickly and cheaply so they introduce cows milk as the solustion. Before this cows milk drinking would have been in small quantities or more likely not at all. They would have more likely drunk goats milk and not cows which is more like human milk and digestible for humans anyway. Milk was considered for babies and not for adults, and they would gave goats milk to babies who could not feed from their mothers becuase it was the only option if a wet nurse could not be found. Hense the name Nanny Goat. There was a massive government drive to boost the consumtion of milk at this time and this included lots of advertising etc.. This led to the need for pasteurisation of milk being developed sometime shortly afterwards because people where becoming sick becuase of the bacteria in milk. Milk drinking carried serious health risk before pasteurisation and people simply could not drink it safely. I don't know about all cultures around the world but people in the Uk simply are not native to drinking cows milk and we can only do it safely if it is pasturised and rennet added to dairy products. This interview gives a false impression of the history of drinking milk and we know it simply can't be ture becuase we would not require the product to be adapted for us if we had adapted ourselves to drink it. Therfore, before assuming that people have always eaten the same diet as we do today and agreeing with this unsubstantiated opion as stated here I suggest that people do their research or at the very least think about it. It is all on Google if you look. Peoples diets have always been adapting and changing their idiets and there has been no consistent diet throughout history. Larege parts of the population never eat or only rarely meat for a large part of our history. We know this because meat was kept for the king and the rich. the mass population was simply to poor to aford it. It is wrong to project a false account of history in this video just to justify what we are doing today. Today high consumption of meat and milk is infact a completely new way to eat for our bodies and our bodies are becoming sick becuase of this. A Vegan diet is much closer to what your ancestors would have eaten unless you are from a very rich background. In short don't belive all you are told. We are being made sick to make others rich.

[@J.P_INC.]

It's been done for years in humans history and humans were just fine. It's only hypocritical and ignorant people who believe we shouldn't eat animals. Read the bible

[@mtgigi]

Humans, like other mammals, don't need milk after weaning. Especially not from an entirely different species.

[@mtgigi]

​@@J.P_INC.no. YOU read the bible, with your eyes open this time. And don't take those verses out if context to suit your narrative.

[@J.P_INC.]

@@mtgigi I didn't . God himself have Noah the permission to eat meat and then gave Moses and Israelites a list of animals they could eat. You take the bible out of context. Eating meat isn't evil or cruel.

[@anonymous04925]

Not harming animals is terrorism?

[@miamontague3075]

Poor old Anthony W- Thompson was terrified He thought hell no they are going to bring up my past , but they didn’t just joeys , it’s obvious piers is always for the meat eater, I don’t find it a debate just an attack & argument from piers

[@PetrilloCinema]

What a masterfully spoken activist. This was exceptional🙏

[@Teneab]

For those who don't know, Joey has been away from the criminal life for 10 years. Bringing up an ex-criminal's history as a way to discredit them and imply that they are still a criminal is extremely disgusting.

[@evokevegan]

Thank you Joey for defending those who are unable to speak up for themselves!

[@J.P_INC.]

God himself have permission and the right to humans to eat other animals so would you tell God he is wrong?

[@user-zu2kv7ib5j]

@@J.P_INC. It could be true if you prove me that God exists

[@J.P_INC.]

@@user-zu2kv7ib5j all I can do is give you evidence of what the Bible says is true. It's up to you to decide on wether you believe it. For instance the bible describes the rain cycle before it was even discovered by science.

[@A1Kira]

@@user-zu2kv7ib5jThat’s their faith and they owe you nothing. Talk about being entitled.

[@thedrumguy2350]

Piers Morgan is a 58 year old child that constantly speaks over the guests he invites to his shows. He vilifies them, paints them in a bad picture and doesnt let them speak. He's not interested in discussion, he's interested in creating propaganda.

[@zacariasfloresdelcampo1330]

When you fall into ad hominem attacks in a debate, is when you have lost it completely. Period.

[@harshverma3548]

vegan guy: you should not eat meat. Non-vegan Anchor: Well you did a completely unrelated thing years ago, so I can eat meat 🤡

[@lyane-yf9xk]

Joey on point 🩵 Go vegan 🩵

[@Takebreathme]

You're a miracle Joey🌱

[@syedakazmi8686]

Piers was wrong for bringing his past up - that’s disgusting

[@ratdog6317]

What's disgusting is the violence this guy committed and was planning on committing

[@syedakazmi8686]

@@ratdog6317 okay but he’s clearly reformed and changed. We can’t keep judging people based on their past and then when they reform treat them like they are evil. Otherwise reformation programmes won’t work

[@ratdog6317]

@@syedakazmi8686 How do you know he is....? Because he said it? Do you know how many people lie and deceive about being "reformed"?

[@brixtonater]

Yeahhhh man who cares if Nazis caused the holocaust, it was in the past right? Your logic falls on itself and makes no sense at all. People are held accountable for their actions, regardless of whether it was a day ago or 10 years ago.

[@Azarilh]

@@ratdog6317 Yes because someone that does everything they can and spend most of their free life to convince people of being more compassionate towards humans and nh animals is something an evil person would do. Makes sense.

[@cbusse7842]

Honestly Piers just dropped a million man points 🤣 what a fool!

[@superfelix20]

Joey spitting facts. Just admit eating meat now days is excessive but I'm still going to eat it

[@FreakHarryPotter]

Is a little bit of killing ok?

[@superfelix20]

@@FreakHarryPotter in what context?

[@PetrilloCinema]

@@superfelix20 Thank you for appreciating the logical inconsistencies in their [anti-vegan] arguments bro. I hope you’re able to make the switch for yourself and the animals💪

[@saabsingh2147]

Piers losing the arguments so badly that the guest on his side even dissed his arguments. Destroyed as usual😂

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@saabsingh2147 pier is never losing to arguments unlike Joey who can’t even cope

[@viviendaquino8364]

Joey did an amazing job here! Wow, he kept his cool. Three against one- what a joke!

[@aidankbiz]

Wow, look how far Theo Baker has come

[@Tango-_-]

Massacre Of Cow Milkage

[@craigbellamy7428]

Always says he changed he changed he changed... u aint changing me

[@sachinraghavan4556]

If you think cows are your equal then yes, if you think they're inferior then no, just like how humans treated other humans.

[@Azarilh]

Pierce is so desperate, it's hilarious.

[@TV-ob1if]

No he’s not. 😂😂. Little Joey is the one who is freaking out here

[@raquelcarlita1570]

Piers Morgan can be so childish and immature.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@raquelcartilla1570 so is Joey he’s childish and immature

[@TimothytheTooth]

Plants are actually sentient. And to touch further on the topic, they form bonds with neighboring plants, they communicate with each other and they form underground networks and share resources with one another as well as protect one another and warn one another from foreign threats. mycorrhizal networks are extremely complex and one of the things plants communicate to one another in mycorrhizal network is warnings of pain and threats to their wellbeing. If you caused harm to a tree, it will communicate that harm to other plants in its mycorrhizal network to warn them of danger which will prompt those other plants to enable defense mechanisms.

[@user-ym4uf2zk5v]

All true! Well done for being educated. Still not the same thing as slitting the throat of a pig.

[@dangboor4277]

This does not make them sentient. Computers can communicate with each other but that does not make them sentient.

[@faith.W]

You dont understand sentience

[@A1Kira]

@@faith.Woysters don’t have a brain and they can’t can’t feel pain or form thoughts… by your logic it’s the same as a plant, plants have the right to life as well you’re just being selective and hypocrites.

[@faith.W]

No I agree with your take on oysters. I am saying plants are not sentient neither are oysters, and both are okay to consume@@A1Kira

[@onlyme219]

Oh, pull the udder one, Joey

[@myquetran5748]

why Pier just immorally meddles in very conversation.

[@GoDzillAFanKM14]

There is one thing that has been in my mind that I don’t think most vegans take under consideration. Say the world did become vegans, and everyone stopped eating meat or producing meat. How will we be able to feed certain animals that are under our care who are carnivorous? Say a lion or a crocodile that needs meat in their diet to survive, how will we give them the meat if we have no meat to offer them in a vegan world? Do we butcher one animal to feed the one in our care, or do we just let it die? Most of the time a majority of the meat produced goes to domestic animals who are in Zoos, in the care of man, or even to feed dogs who need meat in their diet. And don’t get me started on morals, animals don’t have any they only have instinct. They’re not doing it because it’s morally justified. They’re doing it out of survival. The problem is most people will only be asking us to exchange one extreme for another. And let me be clear I have nothing against vegans or veganism you are perfectly entitled to eat whatever you see fit in relation to your own diet. I do, however, have a problem with people who do not afford me the same consideration, or others for that matter. That’s all I will say in the matter I wish you all the best.

[@craigbellamy7428]

U did attack humans

[@bluerainbow11]

Oh, Piers... what childish behaviour... when are you going to grow up and act like an adult? You could learn from Joey - change and be a better person. Will you though?

[@whydiihaveto5486]

Joey really called people in wheelchairs vegetables..

[@Azarilh]

No... he was talkin about those people that lost their self awareness forever from a brain injury.

[@whydiihaveto5486]

@@Azarilh no he said people in wheelchairs are vegetables.. Watch it and you'll hear it word for word.. No explaining this or changing this..

[@Chirpingcherub]

@@whydiihaveto5486can you put the time stamp I can’t find it?

[@meliora99]

@@whydiihaveto5486 he clearly meant people in a vegetative state, pointless comment

[@jean-pierreasidan506]

You dont decide for me, my money u must be sick even God doesn't do that and u want to decide for me?

[@TheStammzilla]

4 years later and he's worse 😂

[@Some_Deist]

Yeah. Piers need to stop

[@Halgame99]

Piers is right and this radical vegan clown is wrong

[@alh6099]

Yeah like your father

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@Some_Deistno Joey needs to stop not piers he’s a hero

[@A1Kira]

Just had some Honey Nut Cheerios with some milk. I thank the bees and cows for the tasty snack.

[@peterlagogiannis9365]

People look deep in that Wankas eyes he looks criminal he will be on the show again with fire arm offences

[@jonlobov1249]

Vegan crazy eyes 😂

[@thedrumguy2350]

Woah great argument. Your intellect really shines through this linguistic masterpiece. I bet it took you all night to come up with this one.

[@brixtonater]

I love how he always has to bring up dogs, none of us give a shit about a cow or a pig. So he has to mention dogs, he can never say it how it is. He always has to use a twisted warped example to try and convince us. Honestly just makes me want to go and have a steak.

[@astonuk9403]

I've been to Vietnam and have eaten dog meat, actually taste better than any other meat. Also had rat and horse meat so there is plenty of options of different meats. I don't care about animals so eat them all without discrepancy. Glad we can finally get dog meat in Europe thanks to Elwood Organic Dog Meat company.

[@anshulbohra2096]

What did cows or pigs ever do to you to deserve such hate from you ?

[@David-kx7tz]

There is no significant difference between a dog and a cow other than your personal feelings towards them. It’s about what is right not who you care about. If someone doesn’t care about dogs are you okay with them torturing and killing dogs? Don’t be so daft

[@DrnoobzHermida]

⁠@@anshulbohra2096what did the plant do to you to deserve hate from you?

[@anshulbohra2096]

@@DrnoobzHermida even if i hate plant, it won't feel it. They cannot feel emotions like love or hate

[@jamlym4974]

"Please don't shove the message down everyone's throats." They clearly haven't heard of That Vegan Teacher.

[@Damo92]

Piers had a point. The guy has a past but is now pointing the finger at people and calling them murderers when he was a thug (😂😂) that was caught with a shotgun. Can’t stand that joey clown

[@user-zu2kv7ib5j]

I hope you're not a christian mate

[@thedrumguy2350]

If you stole a book as a teenager or lied to your mother once, is it therefore justified for me to take the lives of trillions of living beings annually for pleasure? Your past actions in no way affect the validity of your arguments and anyone who uses this logic is a simpleton and an infantile coward that is too afraid to adress the argument instead of the person.

[@Damo92]

stealing a book > having possesion of a loaded shotgun? L for you buddy@@thedrumguy2350

[@richardderossmensah5213]

So Animals can now consent 🤣😄🤣

[@levent.a.7280]

I'll never stop eating meat and drinking milk.

[@sunday525]

why?

[@levent.a.7280]

@@sunday525 God has created animals as a gift to humans,what's cows purpose in life? If it doesn't get eaten or milked? Why do they exist?

[@rafatire]

Chup mkl rkp

[@TURTWIG094]

The Vegans are the loudest , like little chiuwahahas

[@walterchen1007]

Vegan : bla bla bla Me : like i give a shit

[@ruiiziinhoo]

L

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

this is the most "im edgey and 14" thing i have ever read its actually adorable

[@walterchen1007]

@@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS still eat meat quick call the police tell them someone's eating chickens .

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

@@walterchen1007 sometimes i do and manage to get chickens removed from cruel owners, or i enter farms to do open rescues with other activists. Someday, we'll be able to remove victims from your access, or at least make it prohibitively expensive for you to continue acting out your sadistic tendencies.

[@Halgame99]

Vegans are mentally unstable

[@Halgame99]

Vegan hypocrisy

[@alh6099]

Meat eater mf

[@sasankgrandhi4261]

Its clearly seen who is being a hypocrite by doing character attacks mate. :) time to reconsider

[@Halgame99]

@@sasankgrandhi4261 It’s not character attack because vegans are attacking people, they are raiding farms terrorizing restaurants! Bunch of mentally ill kids with nothing better to do

[@DJFotele]

@@sasankgrandhi4261 lol

[@ANIMAL.LOVERS.DONT.EAT.ANIMALS]

literally where

[@famia1070]

Absolutely right what piers says about plants. Plants also have senses it's scientifically proven.

[@JayJay-nb1sv]

No it's not, there is literally no scientific article that says plants feel pain. The only articles that do are opinion pieces that deliberately misinterpreted the original study.

[@polyrhythm101]

This is completely incorrect. You probably read an article that said plants react to stimuli and assumed they experience pain.

[@jacobdavid1825]

I love pork

[@viviandarkbloom8847]

you should love Piers, then.

[@harip.nambiar5674]

You love the flesh from the slaughtered bodies of innocent pigs?

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@viviandarkbloom8847yeah and you should to you

[@RubyRantDOTcom]

Joey rocks!