Go Into Debt to Keep My Mom’s Business?

[@barebaby]

I went thru this with my dads estate. Me and my sister don’t talk today because of it. It’s been 10years, your dad needs to call a family meeting now and sort this shit out it’s gonna be some feelings hurt but it has to be done. If this shit goes to probate without pacific details on how it’s gonna be divided probate is just gonna divide it equally and your gonna wind up having to sale everything.

[@liasilva2789]

They can stipulate that she shares the profits from the healthcare business for a number of years that makes sense in order for her to have it solely hers

[@futurethinking]

This, she doesn't want to go into debt and because of that, she is demanding more of he estate than the others? what a convenience excuse.

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

What I'm missing here, she doesn't have to own the company, to run it. She could own 51% of the shares and run it.

[@kaohsiung99]

"Equal" and "fair" are two completely separate concepts... especially in the context she described.

[@Chessdude4]

She should know her numbers better on the business if she’s a CEO

[@jonnyd9351]

It's ridiculous the CEO of a 100 employee business wouldn't be able to answer these questions instantly and confidently.

[@Nick-ue5bp]

This person seems like she’s not gonna take any of his advice and make a big mistake.

[@stephengamber7000]

Yes, sadly. Some people will see the stove is hot and not touch it, some will hear the stove is hot and not touch it, and some will just have to touch the stove and get burned.

[@baysin5309]

How do they pay 100 employees with only $6 million in revenue?

[@Mwap439]

Literally my question. I guess the answer is 7.25 an hour?? Lol

[@kathyjones1078]

Maybe home healthcare? Low overhead. And poorly paid employees.

[@kylekallsnick8247]

Easy. She is running a pyramid business selling “healthy essential oils” and the other 99 are selling and recruiting so this makes her an entrepreneur and ceo and business owner. Pyramid business lingo

[@tightwadtv3421]

I'd put my money on the farm being worth more in 10 years in that area.

[@marisaruiz2529]

If you have this kind of money put it in a trust. Went thru this and thank god nobody was able to go against the trust. Went smooth and paid out in a couple months.

[@karenk2409]

A trust is magic, solves a multitude of potential nightmares. I have one.

[@rajbeekie7124]

This woman inherited the business. She does not come across as a CEO. I am guessing it is an assisted living business with many part-time workers.

[@dikshithaariyawansa1299]

Well she did a vague discription like a healthcare company.

[@ReadingGodsWord365]

“Fair” is where the tilt-a-whirl and cotton candy is. Dave is awesome.

[@OneAndOnlyKJx]

This woman was annoying me. Dave was spouting the truth, and she didn't seem to agree.

[@p.gizzle90]

Yahhh, that “umm hm.” was getting on my nerves. It’s like she wasn’t engaged at all. Just wasting time.

[@saphira087]

She literally agreed with everything he said. Some people just try to verbally nid by saying umm hmm to make sure that they know that they're listening. When it was her turn to talk, she always said that she agreed.

[@fishmonger7020]

This woman is the “CEO” of this business and she clearly doesn’t know the valuation of anything.

[@Tkyl0-0]

She is downplaying it so that it isn’t used as evidence. She is lying.

[@o.p.4254]

Thank you for taking this call. Dave’s answer was very helpful.

[@stephenwalton9646]

“Fair,” is a word used by children to terrorize their parents. The world never has been or will be,”Fair.”

[@isabelbecerra9258]

I paid fir my sisters private schooling. My in laws got her employment that she didn’t want. I then went to school Earned a degree. Got a career. My sister did nothing. 40 years later she accused me of abandoning the family because I stopped supporting her (and her husband n children). 10 She has chosen to “cut me out of her life n the fsmily” and I couldn’t be happier. Siblings don’t appreciate sacrifices you make for them! Dave gave great advice!!

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

that sounds insane on your part to do that and ofc more insane on her part to feel entitled rather than grateful for the handouts she got.

[@laddmorrell3765]

If the estate includes some cash (stocks, etc.), that could possibly be used to buy out the other two siblings from their share of the medical company. Alternatively, have the healthcare company buy a life insurance policy on Dad and use the proceeds of the life insurance to buy out the siblings' share of the company when he dies.

[@kimmonday4791]

My parents wanted everything equal. I did all the work, your 20 plus years. We all received exactly the same.

[@RomilCPatel]

Why doesn’t she just buy out her father’s equity? She could take her likely high salary as a CEO and use it to buy into the business. If she continually buys out the equity she could end up being the sole owner in just a decade or so.

[@p.gizzle90]

She 1-either already suggested something as such to the father and didn’t stay persistent on it to a reasonable solution, or 2- she’s intimidated to even bring any of this up bc it’s going to be an argument, misunderstanding, stressful chaos situation she doesn’t want to deal with.😖…I understand both sides regardless, but I do know when the father go it’s going to be slight hell with her siblings. More so, her sister than brother.😥

[@Holdeenio]

As the CEO, most likely already holding some of the shares, just buy out the other shareholders while everyone is still alive. Borrow money from the company itself and pay them off now, then repay your own company. Problem solved. His farm, cash and other assets then fall as parts of his estate.

[@bigi2747]

That sister is not agreeing to anything that implies she gets 1 cent less!

[@tomsassurance]

The father can leave the assets who anybody in any proportions. This includes marrying a 19 year old and giving her everything.

[@ericonca]

Inheriting 100 employees with only $6M rev? That seems low

[@BradDavis-gw7do]

Yes it does

[@joeb1522]

I was thinking the same. If the employees make 60k each, plus the company pays another 20k in payroll taxes and benefits, that's 8M in employee costs with only 6M in revenue. They must be part-time employees or minimum wage earners or both.

[@godsdozer]

Caller said she is doing the blood sweat and tears in the business...................didnt even know what her net income was. LOL typical.

[@ryanthode529]

Sweat equity needs to be accounted for in a fair split Also need to account for easte taxes 10million could be a 800k bill so need to be prepared for that also

[@hassandawudi4810]

But she's getting paid to do the work for the business. CEO pay is around $300,000/year. Let your siblings run it for that salary, then take it all when your father dies. Doesn't seem fair, does it

[@Xanatissimo]

She is CEO and doesn't know her numbers? I'm left wondering if she is doing a good job.

[@richardkoontz831]

If I was the dad/ owner, I may look at my CEO options. To me having a CEO who is unwilling to grow my business in hopes of a future purchase is suspect.

[@M22Research]

It’s *not* “weird” for a family member who is operating a family business to grow it… even if other family members end up benefiting! This business is her mother’s legacy, not a pallet of dollars sitting in a bank vault. What she should consider - with her father, modifying her own compensation to reward her for growing the business. Then she gets a double reward for her extra efforts - the direct reward for growth, and her share of the then larger company.

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

thats nonsensical... if you're not working at the company you're not entitled to anything from it. my brothers and i own a construction company, one brother that owned 1/3rd wanted to quit and it wasnt even a question of if he would give up his part or not, his payout was a $50k work truck which was ofc worth way less than 1/3rd of the company and everyone was happy with that. having a good family relationship matters more than money. sure my brother could have played hardball and forced us to sell off all the assets but he is an ethical guy that doesnt want to cause drama. financially was it the smartest move, no, but thats not what matters most in life. we are all happy in our careers and thanksgiving is a great time with no drama

[@M22Research]

@@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem this was a six month old comment, but your scenario is not the same. If their dad wishes to shear the profits of his business with his kids that is completely his choice, not yours.

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

@@M22Research obviously, i never said it wasnt his choice lol. you disregard my point calling out your point and pivoted like a typical leftist... your point was that its fine to have a leech not working while other family members grow the business and he/she thats leeching benefits

[@EdwardLamberton]

Another option is to start buying out shares of the business now.

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

6m a year in revenue with 100k employees is not great? they must have crap pay for the employees and or very low profits. 6m/100 is 60k, so they cant even pay each employee 60k

[@rebeccaoprea9917]

I think the family member who runs the business, gets the business of their parents which to leave it to them.

[@rachelharrison7961]

The caller was asking about buying her sister out now. That implies that the sister already owns part of the business. Why would you buy out a future inheritance? The sister could die tomorrow and pre-decease the father.

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

I would give dad a hard "No" to his "my will directs you to take out a loan to buy your sister out of the family business that you have been CEO of." I would suggest he direct his estate to sell both the medical business and the farm, and then split the profits between the siblings. The tax hit might be enormous but it seems better than being told to go into debt to benefit someone with little to no interest or investment in either business. However, if she declines, her sister may be in a position to buy her out the business. Whatever the details, it is a messy inheritance when it should not have to be. It did not sound like she was on board with having that talk with dad and/or her siblings. A good route for her might be to get out of the family business before she becomes the guarantor of her sister's inheritance.

[@rachelharrison7961]

@@user-mv9tt4st9k I don’t see any problem with factoring sweat equity into the disposition of the estate. The caller gets the business because she makes it go. Same for the brother with the farm. The third child gets whatever the father thinks makes sense.

[@Wolfpacker]

I like that phrase " a fair is where the tilt-a-whirl and cotton candy is"! I tell my kids all the time life is not fair. I'll have to start using that instead. LOL

[@AugustusMcMillan]

the stranger comparison doesn't make sense. bcuz she isn't buying it.

[@rolo8950]

Videos like this make me happy that im comfortably poor

[@martinhorna649]

Yes enviousbess makes one happy for short period of time.

[@gimmpy91]

First🎉

[@sethkostur6785]

There needs to be some more detail in this call for answers to be correct. First of all does the dad own all of the businesses now or were they divided up after the mom‘s passing? I grew up on a farm so Dave’s grasp of appreciation of farmland is far-fetched. My parents made roughly 10 times their money in 20 years on farmland, and whether Dave knows it or not, that farmland is already business, regardless of who owns it because you can do several things to make money off of that land, and that land is a great hedge against things that are going on in the world now. Some pretty bad advice if you actually want to grow wealth.

[@BradDavis-gw7do]

Some of the wealthiest people I know are farmers. Fun fact….Bill Gates is the largest farmland owner in the US.

[@sethkostur6785]

@@BradDavis-gw7do Bill Gates is not who I’m talking about here. He owns farmland for a far different purpose than 99.5% of all other farmers do he does it for the control. Good farmland will appreciate in value I would take the farmland before I took the other businesses, because that farmland will always be valuable, the other businesses might not always be valuable

[@BradDavis-gw7do]

@@sethkostur6785 Understood. I grew up on a farm as well. I’m in the same boat as you. I’ve also worked in the agricultural sector for over 30 years. I realize Gates is the exception to the rule. He probably doesn’t realize what he owns.

[@martinhorna649]

Yes people generally underestimate opportunities farm land owes.

[@RussellD11]

If I was Ramsy's kid I would use his money and open a Gay bar with lol.. And from the little I know of one, that may just happen

[@danieljohnson4418]

Do it. You'll be fine.