Go - Life & Death

[@greenfootprint2680]

Before video: "I would love to play Go" After video: "yeah nah"

[@kush_altaccount663]

As a beginner this is very confusing. But it's ok

[@brian-bed]

yep. what happens if i draw a line from the top of the board to the bottom? Will I take the whole board? Or nothing? If so, why?

[@rickybloss8537]

@@brian-bed if the group can make two eyes it will be alive but if that line gets surrounded by your opponent's stones it will be captured. The reason you won't own everything is that your opponent still has the ability to create two eyes in the two empty regions. Just play a couple of games at online-go.com. get crushed and you should get a better idea of why this doesn't work. good luck and have fun, go is an amazing game and it has a lot to offer.

[@Vidsquid0906]

This tries to teach an important concept that's hard to teach in a short video and assumes some basic knowledge of the rules. The New York Institute of Go provides an excellent video series to get any beginner started and provides several lessons before getting into life or death: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3_Te3lmd9-In8k

[@brian-bed]

thanks ricky. i’ll try!

[@insertnamehere9180]

We just go with it.

[@eldhoabraham1444]

I just wanna go

[@mija8386]

Badum tsss

[@Ilin69]

then go

[@TuNguyen-ku6cq]

I use to play in high school, stopped at about 6k on kgs and 7k on aga. I'm extremely happy there's a renew interested in the game after alphago and hope this continues.

[@abhigo7788]

Yeah AlphaGo has really spurred interest worldwide after 2016.

[@estherrogers5553]

More me it was watching Rise of the Phoenixes that got me interested in Go.

[@ሠምራ]

@@estherrogers5553 wow here i am also trying to get the rules because of rise of the phoenixes... i have known thig game for a while and saw it in so many costume dramas too, but rise of the phoenixes really is the only one which managed to give it so much meaning and importance as if knowing how the game works could give you so much more insight on a specific situation. happy to see i am not the only who noticed this. also now that i am starting to learn the rules i realise how strategic it is like an ancient but more sophisticated risk kind of board game

[@pittagiiya]

So basically, if you aren't good at the game, you won't know who wins?

[@9o1ybius]

Exactly

[@rickybloss8537]

I don't understand what do you mean? I'm not very good at the game myself but I can clearly tell when I'm getting my ass kicked.

[@abxtract0]

makes sence to me

[@09ziyad]

The skill to assesse the situation is a part of this game, and any other game. also at end-game you can just count the points.

[@pittagiiya]

@@09ziyad but to count the points, you gotta know the best moves...

[@WombatSteve]

You guys shouldn't be thrown off by this video! It shows a few scenarios and one special rule. If the first video was understood then it's alright.

[@Ilin69]

yep im a teacher myself and this guy is doing pretty welll!

[@sethmiller2797]

Ah I remember sitting down on a pillow in the central room on a weekend morning playing this with my Dad. Of course I was younger then and had no idea what I was doing but no I can look back with pleasure knowing he taught me all I know about this ancient game

[@abhigo7788]

Teaching is another thing, and mastering is another. Go for mastering Go now, enough of appreciation shown for this game, lets improve this game using AlphaGo teaching tool.

[@hananokuni2580]

Life & death is an emergent property of the rule of liberties & capture. Life & death is simply determining whether a group of stones can be captured or not and determine the best line of play to achieve the desired result, in the event that the status of the stone group is undecided. If a group of stones is subject to capture at any time, it is considered to be dead. If it is immune to capture, that is, there is no legal way to capture, then it is considered to be alive. Which is why I believe capture Go is a good way for beginners to acquaint themselves with the bare bones of Go. Some will say that capture Go is useless as a teaching tool, but one should remember that to make territory on the board, your stone groups have to be immune to capture, or the opponent will simply capture them and make into his territory that part of the board where your stones used to be. And how can you make any territory if your stones always get captured? The concept of territory is usually hard for novices to understand, but the idea of capturing stones and protecting one's own stones from capture often comes naturally and one should know how to protect groups in order to be able to play regular Go well.

[@abhigo7788]

"bare bones of Go" , you mean the building blocks, or the building things that make Go strategy.

[@RepsForBros]

What was helpful for me was realizing 2 things: 1) all touching same-colored pieces share liberties, no matter how far away the open spaces are to the individual piece, 2) there’s an order to the resolution of playing a piece. First check if your piece eliminates its own liberties/can resolve without being captured. If it can resolve, then you check if it being placed does anything else (capture territory, etc.)

[@mcbrite]

If this were in Chinese, I'd have understood the exact same amount... Nothing...

[@angrytheclown801]

This is really a game that benefits from actually playing. I have the basics figured out, but not anything advanced.

[@justin9202]

the issue is this video comes after another video in the same series that both should be watched simultaniously. Go is also one of those games that is best figured out by actually playing a round or two to understand the basics.

[@What-go8ng]

4/5 people said nope to part 2

[@caionascimento4234]

Extremely obscure explanation for beginners. Could say I didn’t understand anything. Chess player here.

[@firerocket7343]

Maybe you can watch the anime Hikaru no Go. You will learn more than only just watch the video.

[@12345678abracadabra]

Watch the first video first

[@Macca81]

I've played a couple of games on an app (and lost), and I still think I understand what this video was trying to convey, even if I don't yet grasp the gamecraft to utilise the information properly during play

[@snowcloud8]

This is a advanced technique. This isn't really something beginners typically learn. I imagine this is probably like trying to explain the Queen's Gambit to someone. Read/watch the anime Hikaru no Go. The whole manga is about playing Gō and does a great job explaining it.

[@learner640]

outstanding introduction to the game, you have explained it really well, congratulations!

[@thrpst9]

Peter sho nuff

[@mejustme474]

I use to play 6 grade but have forgotten so much I’m getting a board tomorrow. This video helped alot

[@trondordoesstuff]

This video has a surprisingly low number of comments and likes. I don't really have anything to add to the conversation, just thought I'd make note of that.

[@reismw]

So cool, thanks! QUESTION - on 1:23, let's supose the game ends there, who makes 3 points? Black, for surround 3 territory? Or White? For surrounding a group surrounding 3 territories?

[@havend5337]

I think black scores three points. Territories are the spaces that can only reach pieces in one colour, being black in this scenario.

[@iepvienredstoneHuy007]

A bit late but black claim no land here and lose all their pieces (-12 points) due to their stones being dead and inside enemy territory. White would won by 14 (or 26 due to 12 black stones lost will be deduced from black point, making them -12 while white is +14

[@reismw]

@@iepvienredstoneHuy007 thanks!

[@stefanleo8963]

It's like super a sophisticated Reversi, still playing on a 9x9 board yet can't win the basic AI

[@anniemiller7729]

How does this explain your philosophy of life like the AlphaGo movie says?

[@anthonymmeek]

I would suggest redoing this video and visually explaining the hypothetical moves you mentioned (through completion/capture), then reseting everything fresh to express new examples. Good first video though

[@anthonymmeek]

at 1:30, if it's white's turn creates 2 eyes, black could still fill those eyes, and capture that middle white, right (assuming white played somewhere else on the board, instead of within that enclosure)?

[@oopsisteppedinpoo]

I think I'll stick with Cones of Dunshire.

[@doktormcnasty]

I personally prefer to draxx them sklounst. But hey, different folks get different strokes right?

[@discontinued645]

I guess I am okay with chess

[@szecr]

Lol

[@Lolobobo599]

This is actually really easy thank you

[@WiseApeMan24]

@1:51 you put a stone not on a liberty I'm not sure how accurate this tutorial is, I'm totally lost.

[@arnoudh6203]

It makes sense to me so it's not the tutorial

[@sheshi3403]

It was like abbreviateing the fact that both intersections were open liberty's...i think

[@WiseApeMan24]

@@sheshi3403 Oh, thank you for explaining. That helps a lot honestly.

[@DerNesor]

@2:41 is there a trick to quickly see what is "dead?

[@paulotav9066]

my ...eyes... are confused...

[@suenchan3162]

Excellent explanation

[@igorkanzakhidov6047]

I am beginner. How do white kill black rectangle group if they have 2 turns in a row here 2:09 . Isn't it three?

[@ShredST]

What they mean that, if white can make the two moves, then the black group is dead no matter what black does. So you can think of it killing in two moves rather than three.

[@jay-tbl]

Guys this is confusing because its part 2 of a series, go watch the first video then this

[@DrN007]

Asian fun is on a different lvl

[@haroldjaylumambas382]

Divine Move movie led me here

[@danemeow8]

In the last special life n death problem "seki?", couldnt white move to the bottom liberty without atari? Is it just that it wouldnt matter cuz still no one would get any territory points and it would be a waste of whites turn?

[@danemeow8]

The more i rewatch the less sense it makes, now im not even sure if my above question makes any sense.... Gods..

[@gameofgo9172]

@@danemeow8 Atari means capturing an opponent's stones but leaving one liberty. This assures that you get them captured as the opponent has no choice but to surrender. Seki means both the players are fighting hard to capture one's chain. It ends in a stand off situation, where if any one of them makes the move, surrenders their stones. It is more appropriately depicted here: gameofgo.app/learn/how-to-play-game-of-go-beginners. 😎

[@danemeow8]

@@gameofgo9172 thnx for reply. That helps a bit.

[@gameofgo9172]

@@danemeow8 Do you play Go?

[@andpeoplesayineedalife6418]

The udacity to split a video about one game in two 😂

[@PhilProfEdwards]

Gracias amigo

[@blubbfisch98]

yes yes stone there

[@gameofgo9172]

We’re getting ready to stream the GO AI World Tournament of 2020 on Twitch at 9:30pm ET: We have a 5 Dan Chinese amateur Go player who will be providing insights while we discuss the games! First match is LeelaZero vs. Golaxy! www.twitch.tv/gameofgo See you there!!!

[@masonmarcobello3164]

For people saying this is complicated, go and read or watch some other explanations and then come back. It’s really not that complicated.

[@StormWolf01]

Why would you talk about ko in a video about life and death? If a person doesn't know what life and death is, then he is an absolute beginner. If he is an absolute beginner, talking about Ko in an explanation about life and death is going to be confusing, not helping. Same for Seki.

[@stevepavalich9983]

Watch the first video before this?

[@caionascimento4234]

Thank you, finally someone understands the beginners. I don’t even know what you’re all talking about...

[@morthim]

do you know what you are trying to say? we dont.

[@ottodidakt3069]

hilarious, thanx for the laugh !

[@SmartenUPExcelAddin]

this is poorly explained

[@CastelDawn]

or maybe you're a bonehead

[@cobysuk-3294]

@@CastelDawn ya

[@peachymakho]

it is very clearly explained, where do you have confusion?

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

Did you watch the first video

[@youssefbenhachem993]

This is badly explained !!!

[@gave1797]

Is it?

[@yangzijiang541]

Uh, why would Udacity use a wrong sized Go board in the first place? It should be 19 x 19, not 13 x 13.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

Yangzi Jiang He explained in the last video that 13x13 as well as 9x9 boards are used

[@trondordoesstuff]

He uses it so that his examples are easier to see from a distance and recommends in his first video that beginners play on smaller boards.

[@teds935]

Really poor explanation video.